The Beauty of a Near Spotless Sun

Amateur telescope photographer Thierry Legault has gained renown in recent years taking photographs of spacecraft in orbit… from the ground, with them either reflecting sunlight as they cross the terminator, or silhouetted by the moon, or in recent days, silhouetted by a near spotless sun.

ISS and Atlantis Transit the Sun's Face
ISS and Atlantis Transit the Sun's Face

His most recent accomplishment is this solar silhouette of the International Space Station docked with Space Shuttle Atlantis on its STS-132 mission. While many have marvelled at his accomplishment, we’ve heard less about the continuing near-spotless state of the sun in his photograph. This one sunspot region counted enough on May 22nd to make the daily sunspot count be 15!

It appears that the sunspot and 10.7 progression for Solar Cycle 24 have hit a bit of a roadblock in recent months, according to NOAA’s Solar Cycle Progression and Prediction Center.

May 2010 Solar Cycle 24 Progression. Note the slump in recent months.
May 2010 Solar Cycle 24 Progression. Note the slump in recent months.
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July 1, 2010 1:47 pm

rbateman says:
July 1, 2010 at 1:30 pm
How often do these non-twisted and non-irregular field spots show up?
If you know of a way to pinpoint other instances of them back to 1996, I would like to look them up and see if they too have very weak EIT signatures.

I guess one could devise an algorithm for this…
But for now, the only way is eyeballing.

tallbloke
July 1, 2010 1:52 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
July 1, 2010 at 6:14 am (Edit)
Whatever the angular momenta of the gas giants are, they have no influence on the cosmic ray modulation.

Maybe so. It could be that it’s just the visible symptom of some other phenomenon.
Speculation on a postcard to the usual address.

July 1, 2010 1:55 pm

rbateman says:
July 1, 2010 at 1:30 pm
But for now, the only way is eyeballing.
But if you can find a list with its magnetic signature. Then single spots would be of type ‘alpha’. Normally you would have ‘alpha p” for ‘preceding’, but 1084 is an ‘alpha f’ for ‘follower’. MWO uses that system, e.g. today: http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/images/cur_drw.jpg

July 1, 2010 1:58 pm

tallbloke says:
July 1, 2010 at 1:52 pm
Maybe so. It could be that it’s just the visible symptom of some other phenomenon.
Speculation on a postcard to the usual address.

Too many speculations there. But I asked you a specific question which you [just] might be gracious enough to answer:
As a matter of interest, a pretty good curve fit to the 14C record…
Which record? corrected for the variation of the geomagnetic field? “

tallbloke
July 1, 2010 2:20 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
July 1, 2010 at 10:50 am (Edit)
tallbloke says:
June 30, 2010 at 1:43 pm
Sunspots and the corona are generated by the the same thing, the Sun’s magnetic field, but how cold a spot is [I think that was the original question] has no influence per se on the corona, i.e. there is not a signature in the corona saying “here is a cold sunspot”.
However, when new magnetic flux emerges [e.g. a new spot] it can have a dramatic influence. See this nice piece:
http://msslxr.mssl.ucl.ac.uk:8080/SolarB/nuggets/nugget_jul01.jsp

Really fascinating, thanks Leif. My original thought was that perhaps the reason why sunpots are colder than the surrounding area might be that energy is moving from their location, outwards through the corona and forming part of the solar wind which emanates from coronal holes.

July 1, 2010 2:33 pm

tallbloke says:
July 1, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Really fascinating, thanks Leif. My original thought was that perhaps the reason why sunpots are colder than the surrounding area might be that energy is moving from their location, outwards through the corona and forming part of the solar wind which emanates from coronal holes.
Suppose a sunspot was as hot as the surrounding atmosphere [ignoring for the moment that we wouldn’t be able to see it – an extreme L&P effect 🙂 ]. Hot vapor has a pressure, Phot. A magnetic field also in itself exerts a pressure [try to press wo like poles of toy magnets together and you can feel it], Pmag. The total pressure inside a sunspot is now Pspot = Phot + Pmag. Since Pspot is larger than Phot [because Pmag is > 0], the pressure inside the spot is larger than in the surrounding photosphere [where it is Phot under our assumption that the sunspot was a hot as its surroundings. Becasue Pspot > Phot, the spot will expand. Expanding matter cools, therefore the spot is cooler. The magnetic field in the spot is closed [you can see the loops here http://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_100626_055423_12124589/www/ssw_cutout_20100626_023002_aia_211_S20E88_20100626_023000_m.mpg ] and the matter normally doesn’t make it across the field lines to the solar wind [exception: a flare that may blow open the field briefly].

rbateman
July 1, 2010 6:31 pm

Leif Svalgaard says:
July 1, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Been searching through Mt. Wilson monthly Sunspot reports which stops in 2004. This would be a AF+(x) spot [or a AP+(x)] ??
Haven’t found any yet. The ‘+’ is for reversed polarity.

oneuniverse
July 1, 2010 7:31 pm

Leif Svalgaard: As far as W&H are concerned, I [and most people having studied this carefully over last half century] find their argument compelling. but, hey, there are people out there that think to sun is hollow, that the Universe is 6000 years old, etc, so I guess your opinion might deviate as well from that following from W&P’s careful study..
Leif, unlike Creationists, my comments on W&H, and the possible variability of GCR flux in local interstallar space, are supported in the peer-reviewed literature, which I’ll demonstrate.
Firstly though, please note that the only issue I’ve taken with W&H’s study is that in their calculation of an upper bound for 1000 years ago, they appear to tacitly assume that local GCR LIS hasn’t varied, either by secular variations apparent in time spans of 1000 years, or shorter term perturbations, such as “short spikes probably due to a nearby supernova”, as you said, which actually contradicts this following contention of yours that local supernova activity has no effect on the LIS.
According to you :

The particles ejected by a supernova explosion are not GCRs [yet] because they move way to slowly.During millions of years some of these particles will encounter ‘magnetic mirrors’ [tangled magnetic fields] and some will be accelerated by that, each time a little bit more until the particles move almost at the speed of light. This takes time, so proximate supernovae does not add to the GCR flux that we can observe.

In fact, there seems to be evidence that supernovae can be sources of GCRs near or at the energy knee more or less by themselves. From Warren et al. 2005 (“Cosmic Ray Acceleration at the Forward Shock in Tycho’s Supernova Remnant: Evidence from Chandra X-ray Observations”) :

With the clear detection of non-thermal X-ray synchrotron emission from the rims of the remnant of SN 1006 by Koyama et al. (1995), it was established that the shocks in supernova remnants (SNRs) can accelerate cosmic ray electrons to TeV energies [100 TeV from Koyama et al.]. These energies are close to, but do not quite reach, the “knee” in the cosmic ray spectrum around 300 TeV.

So the top-end accelerated electron energies are below the knee by a factor of three or so. However, we’re really interested in the protons :

For the pressure in relativistic particles to be 50% of the ram pressure [in order to be consistent with observations], the energy density in protons must be >= 50 times the energy density in electrons. This is the most conservative estimate, using our lowest magnetic field value (33 μG) [from an estimated range of 33 to 436 μG] [..]

So the accelerated protons have at least 50 times the energy density of the electrons. Assuming a 1:1 ratio of protons and electrons (I don’t know the actual ratio), we can estimate top accelerated proton energies of 5 x 10^15 eV, which interestingly are more or less at the observed interstellar GCR knee, ~ 10^15 eV.
On Earth, the measured proton-electron ratio of GCRs is ~10 for 10 GeV and ~10^2 for 1 TeV” (Borisov 2009). I’m not sure if a figure is known for the LIS . What is the proton-electron ration of the matter being accelerated at the supernova? I haven’t been able to find this either.
Warren et al. conclude :

For years, astronomers have been estimating explosion energies, ages, and ambient densities for young SNRs based on the observed properties of the forward shock under the assumption of adiabatic dynamics (e.g., Sedov-Taylor, Truelove & McKee 1999). As we have shown here, the dynamics of the forward shock in Tycho are dominated by efficient cosmic ray acceleration. If Tycho is a typical case, then all these previous estimates are based on incorrect assumptions.

A prediction of this is an anisotropic signal from GCRs. You contend that the flux is completely isotropic (“we see no spatial variation [the flux is the same in all directions, expect for the effect[s] that are due to the processes in the solar system.”)
In fact, the prediction is fulfulled. There’s an observed anisotropy, small (~5%) at 10 GeV but becoming more significant once approaching TeV energies (Erlykin & Wolfendale 2006), which suggests that proximate supernovae affect local GCR flux – the higher energy GCRs provide evidence that the’ve arrived directly(ish) from the supernova rather than after galactic round trips. Lower energy particles are more affected by the the heliosphere and lose the directional signal of their origin.
There’s other research supporting the notion that local supernova have an effect on local GCR. From “Anisotropy and Corotation of Galactic Cosmic Rays”, (The Tibet AS Association, 2006) :

The anisotropy of Galactic cosmic rays (GCRs) may result from an uneven distribution of cosmic ray (CR) sources and the process of CR propagation in the Milky Way. CRs with energy below 10^15 eV are accelerated by diffusive magnetohydrodynamic (MHD) shocks (1–4) of supernova remnants (SNRs) and stellar winds.

And Erlykin & Wolfendale 2006 ( “The anisotropy of galactic cosmic rays as a product of stochastic supernova explosions”) :

We conclude that if the bulk of cosmic rays are produced in supernova explosions [which is the conservative hypothesis] the observed small and nearly energy independent amplitude of the anisotropy and its phase are to the large extent determined by the history of these explosions in the vicinity of the solar system, namely by the location and the age of the supernova remnants, within a few kpc, which give the highest contibution to the total intensity at the present epoch. [..] It is shown that the excessive cosmic ray flux from the Outer Galaxy can be due to the location of the Solar System at the inner edge of the Orion Arm which has the enhanced density and rate of supernova explosions.

Another possibility is that our solar system’s movement may have affected the LIS in the past 1000 years (Priscilla C. Frisch 2006, “Short-Term Variations In The Galactic Environment of the Sun”):

The galactic environment of the Sun varies over short timescales as the Sun and interstellar clouds travel through space. Small variations in the dynamics, ionization, density, and magnetic field strength in the interstellar medium (ISM) surrounding the Sun can lead to pronounced changes in the properties of the heliosphere.
..
We test several possibilities for the three-dimensional (3D) shape of the LIC, and conclude that the Sun entered the surrounding cloud sometime within the past 40,000 years, and possibly very recently, in the past ~1000 years.

oneuniverse
July 1, 2010 7:54 pm

tallbloke (10:20pm), thanks.

July 1, 2010 9:04 pm

oneuniverse says:
July 1, 2010 at 7:31 pm
Leif, unlike Creationists, my comments on W&H, and the possible variability of GCR flux in local interstallar space, are supported in the peer-reviewed literature, which I’ll demonstrate. […] etc
You use examples of GCRs with energies thousands of times larger than the usual GCRs we observe and fluxes millions of times less. These have no influence on 10Be and 14C production, so are moot for the problem at hand. Without appealing to authority may I appeal to experience: W&H [especially W] are old hands at this and know and have evaluated the relative importance of the various asymmetries [of the order of 5% in contrast to the claimed 200-300% claimed] and are certainly aware of all the pertinent papers [as I am]. Now, I’m not married to the commonly held view [although I conditionally share it and I think W&H’s arguments are good] that the GCRs are constant on the relevant time scales. If we assume for the sake of the argument that the dominant cause of variation of GCRs at Earth and thus 10Be [if we discount the significant variation with climate] is the variation of the galactic flux, then we can discount solar activity as a significant driver. This is my main point. The idea that both galactic and solar modulation in about equal [or unknown] amounts are responsible, I’ll dismiss as special pleading. This makes the claimed ‘clear, perfect, significant, etc’ correlations between solar activity [as expressed as radionuclide production] and climate [through the GCR modulation of clouds] either spurious or cherry picked as needed.
The galactic environment of the Sun varies over short timescales as the Sun and interstellar clouds travel through space. Small variations in the dynamics, ionization, density, and magnetic field strength in the interstellar medium (ISM) surrounding the Sun can lead to pronounced changes in the properties of the heliosphere.
This is no more about the GCR flux in the LIS, but rather about the pressure balances that modulate the size of the heliosphere and has therefore no bearing on the LIS GCR intensity itself.

July 2, 2010 3:39 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
July 1, 2010 at 9:29 am
rbateman says:
July 1, 2010 at 9:00 am
How about switching to the current spot?
Not quite sure what you mean. Perhaps a discussion of 1084?
It’s EIT signatures (171, 195, 284), X-ray and just about everything else are extremely weak, but it has a magnetogram and continuum signature that is unmistakable.
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The layman’s count says it a record-maker so far for SC24.

Visual observations suggest the same, do L&P have a measure or have they gone missing again?

tallbloke
July 2, 2010 5:09 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
July 1, 2010 at 2:33 pm (Edit)
The magnetic field in the spot is closed [you can see the loops here http://sdowww.lmsal.com/sdomedia/ssw/ssw_client/data/ssw_service_100626_055423_12124589/www/ssw_cutout_20100626_023002_aia_211_S20E88_20100626_023000_m.mpg ] and the matter normally doesn’t make it across the field lines to the solar wind [exception: a flare that may blow open the field briefly].

Ok, thanks Leif. Do you know if any work has been done relating the sunspot number to the number of big flares and/or CME’s? And the solar windspeed?

July 2, 2010 6:46 am

Geoff Sharp says:
July 2, 2010 at 3:39 am
do L&P have a measure or have they gone missing again?
Bad attitude. But, yes, they have data for June. Should be reduced next week.
tallbloke says:
July 2, 2010 at 5:09 am
any work has been done relating the sunspot number to the number of big flares and/or CME’s? And the solar wind speed?
Yes, a lot. That is basically what solar physicists are doing. A good general reference is http://solarphysics.livingreviews.org/Articles/ which is constantly revised and added to. A more accessible link is http://www.phy6.org/stargaze/Sunopen.htm [or http://www.phy6.org/readfirst.htm ].

rbateman
July 2, 2010 7:43 am

I take it as a given that Solar Physics is not interested in the climate per se, any more than Astrophysics is interested in biology.
The plates are full.
Do I have that right?

July 2, 2010 7:47 am

rbateman says:
July 2, 2010 at 7:43 am
I take it as a given that Solar Physics is not interested in the climate per se, any more than Astrophysics is interested in biology. The plates are full. Do I have that right?
No. There is even such a thing as astrobiology, too. Part of the very reason we study the Sun is the subject that used to be called ‘Solar-Terrestrial Relations’ which includes the [possible?] influence on climate.

tallbloke
July 2, 2010 1:27 pm

Lol. So in what way is Willie Soons graph a “circular argument” Leif?
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2010/06/21/willie-soon-brings-sunshine-to-the-debate-on-solar-climate-link/
Thanks for the link to solar physics 101 by the way, I had a good laugh at the deeply scientific dismissal of planetary influence. I didn’t find out much about correlations between sunspot numbers and other solar phenomena such as big flares and CME’s. I was wondering about coronal holes too, because I read somewhere that coronal hole numbers (or areas?) overlapped the solar cycles in anti correlation? Seems a bit counterintuitive.
Clues welcome.

July 2, 2010 11:21 pm

tallbloke says:
July 2, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Lol. So in what way is Willie Soons graph a “circular argument” Leif?
In the same way as the argument that the Moon is more important than the Sun, because the Moon shines at night when it is dark, while the Sun shines during the day, where it is light anyway…
I had a good laugh at the deeply scientific dismissal of planetary influence.
Indeed the dismissal was scientific.
I didn’t find out much about correlations between sunspot numbers and other solar phenomena such as big flares and CME’s.
I’m not sure what there is the find out, beside that Flares/CMEs have a very close association with sunspots.
I was wondering about coronal holes too, because I read somewhere that coronal hole numbers (or areas?) overlapped the solar cycles in anti correlation? Seems a bit counterintuitive.
The polar coronal holes are largest at solar minimum. Mid- and low-latitude coronal holes are fed with magnetic flux from sunspots, so are frequent as solar maximum, with one twist: too many sunspots disturb the formation of coronal holes, with the net result that those holes are most prevalent when the sunspots have abated a bit, i.e. during the decline of the cycle, often in the last few years just before solar minimum. The solar wind [that correlates with the coronal holes] thus blows strongest at that same time.

kim
July 3, 2010 3:59 am

What am I missing? That seems like a mechanism by which sunspots could modify climate. Or that whatever is modifying sunspots could modify earth’s climate.
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tallbloke
July 3, 2010 5:39 am

“How many times can a man turn his head,
and pretend that he just doesn’t see?
The answer, my friend, is blowing in the wind
The answer is blowing in the wind”
Play it again Bob, and again, and again.

tallbloke
July 3, 2010 5:42 am

Leif Svalgaard says:
July 2, 2010 at 11:21 pm (Edit)
tallbloke says:
I had a good laugh at the deeply scientific dismissal of planetary influence.
Indeed the dismissal was scientific.

Heh. It mentions that Jupiter’s orbit is different to the length of the sunspot cycle.
Well, duh!
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/venus-earth-jupiter-alignment-and-the-solar-cycle/
Thanks for the insights into coronal holes Leif.

July 3, 2010 8:12 am

tallbloke says:
July 3, 2010 at 5:42 am
http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2010/06/14/venus-earth-jupiter-alignment-and-the-solar-cycle/
Perhaps with Ceres alignments added in [as per Ulrich] you get even better correlation. there are many thousands of minor planets out there. Perhaps you could search for [and pick] some that improve the correlation even more. With enough planets and judicious picking one should be able to achieve almost perfect correlation.

oneuniverse
July 3, 2010 10:20 am

Leif Svalgaard: You use examples of GCRs with energies thousands of times larger than the usual GCRs we observe and fluxes millions of times less.
It sounds like you’ve accepted that supernovae with remnants can accelerate particles to CR energies. They will create a spectrum of energies, including cosmic rays at the lower, more ‘normal’ ranges.
This is no more about the GCR flux in the LIS [..]
You’ve somewhat missed the point here. That quotation from “Short-Term Variations In The Galactic Environment of the Sun” was to illustrate that there can be changes taking place in our local neighborhood on time-scales relevant to the discussion.
W&H [especially W] are old hands at this and know and have evaluated the relative importance of the various asymmetries [of the order of 5% in contrast to the claimed 200-300% claimed].
You’ve walked back your earlier assertion that there’s no directional variation. (The 200-300% doesn’t refer to anisotropic asymetries, by the way, but to CR flux changes due to changes in the heliosphere and local environment). The significance of the anisotropy is that it means that cosmic rays don’t have to take round-trips around the galaxy before reaching us. This fits well with the evidence that supernovae and their after-effects can accelerate particles to GCR energies.
If we assume for the sake of the argument that the dominant cause of variation of GCRs at Earth and thus 10Be [if we discount the significant variation with climate] is the variation of the galactic flux, then we can discount solar activity as a significant driver.
The’re evidence that cosmic ray flux may be dominated on multi-million year time-scales by the Earth’s oscillation in and out of the galactic plane (Shaviv and Veizer). I’m not aware of anyone making such a claim for shorter time-scales.

July 3, 2010 10:49 am

oneuniverse says:
July 3, 2010 at 10:20 am
They will create a spectrum of energies, including cosmic rays at the lower, more ‘normal’ ranges.
But these normal ranges will be completely scattered and average out.
was to illustrate that there can be changes taking place in our local neighborhood on time-scales relevant to the discussion.
Changes in the size of the heliosphere, not of the GCR flux outside the heliosphere, so not relevant for LIS flux
to CR flux changes due to changes in the heliosphere and local environment)
again, changes of the heliosphere has nothing to do with the GCR flux outside of the heliosphere
>i>”If we assume for the sake of the argument that the dominant cause of variation of GCRs at Earth and thus 10Be [if we discount the significant variation with climate] is the variation of the galactic flux, then we can discount solar activity as a significant driver”
The’re evidence that cosmic ray flux may be dominated on multi-million year time-scales by the Earth’s oscillation in and out of the galactic plane (Shaviv and Veizer). I’m not aware of anyone making such a claim for shorter time-scales.
Red herring. As we discussing the Maunder Minimum time scale.

kim
July 3, 2010 11:03 am

Well there is a music of the spheres with variations, about it. Whatever alters the sunspots could(Hi Leif) change the solar wind and hence the CR to the earth. That ‘whatever’ could(Heh) have fallen into an oscillation with the orbits of the other masses in the solar system, even from a trivial butterfly wing effect acting over immense time. Long term modulation from the plane of the galaxy and from alterations in intergalactic environment could(!) add further unpredictable alterations. There is short term alterations from local supernovae. There’s harmony and rhythm.
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July 3, 2010 11:20 am

kim says:
July 3, 2010 at 11:03 am
There’s harmony and rhythm.
Sounds more like chaos to me. And too many ‘could’s for my taste. I ‘could’ win the lottery, but I never seem to do.

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