Out in the Ama-zone

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

There have been lots of articles lately discussing the retraction by the UK Sunday Times of their claims about Amazongate. Folks like George Monbiot are claiming that their point of view has been vindicated, that Amazongate is “rubbish” and that skeptics have been “skewered”. So I decided to follow the tortuous trail through the Amazon jungle, to see where the truth lies.

Figure 1. The long, twisted, rainy jungle trail leading to the facts …

First, what did the IPCC say that caused all of the furor? Here’s the quote:

Up to 40% of the Amazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation; this means that the tropical vegetation, hydrology and climate system in South America could change very rapidly to another steady state, not necessarily producing gradual changes between the current and the future situation (Rowell and Moore, 2000). It is more probable that forests will be replaced by ecosystems that have more resistance to multiple stresses caused by temperature increase, droughts and fires, such as tropical savannas.  (IPCC, PDF, p. 596)

Scary stuff, climates tipping to a new steady state, 40% of the Amazon rainforest changing to savanna …

Now, this is referenced to Rowell and Moore (PDF). The first problem that arises is that this is a World Wide Fund for Nature (WWF) overview piece, and is as far from peer-reviewed science as one can imagine. The WWF says:

Up to 40% of the Brazilian forest is extremely sensitive to small reductions in the amount of rainfall. In the 1998 dry season, some 270,000 sq. km of forest became vulnerable to fire, due to completely depleted plant-available water stored in the upper five metres of soil. A further 360,000 sq. km of forest had only 250 mm of plant-available soil water left. 46

Note that already we see a difference between the citation (such as it is) and the IPCC statement. The WWF says that the forest is “extremely sensitive” to “small reductions” in rainfall. The IPCC has upped the ante, saying the forest could “react drastically” to “even a slight reduction” in rainfall. In addition, the IPCC has added an uncited claim that the South American “vegetation, hydrology and climate system” could suddenly change to a new “steady state” … be very afraid.

Now, the WWF paragraph has a citation (46). This is:

46 D. C. Nepstad, A. Veríssimo, A. Alencar, C. Nobre, E. Lima, P. Lefebvre, P. Schlesinger, C. Potter, P. Mountinho, E. Mendoza, M. Cochrane, V. Brooks, Large- scale Impoverishment of Amazonian Forests by Logging and Fire, Nature, 1999, Vol 398, 8 April, pp505

The problem is that their citation only supports the second half of the paragraph, the part that relates to the 1998 dry season. It says nothing about the extreme sensitivity of the Amazon. It says nothing about a new “steady state.” Even Dr. Lewis, who convinced the Times to issue the retraction, admits this:

The 40% claim is not actually referenced in the Rowell & Moore 2000 report (they use Nepstad to reference the specific figures in the next sentence). The Nepstad Nature paper is about the interactions of logging damage, fire, and periodic droughts, all extremely important in understanding the vulnerability of Amazon forest to drought, but is not related to the vulnerability of these forests to reductions in rainfall. I don’t see how that can be the source of Rowell’s 40% claim. Its more likely an unreferenced statement by Rowell.

And there, the trail stops. Despite Pachauri’s oft-repeated claim that the IPCC is based 100% on peer reviewed science, the IPCC has referenced a WWF document which:

1. Is not peer reviewed, and

2. Has no further citation for the claim.

So why did the Times have to retract their claim? It was the result of a letter sent to the Times by Dr. Simon Lewis, who claimed that a) he had been misquoted, and b) the IPCC claim was scientifically accurate.

From Dr. Lewis’s statement, I do believe he was misquoted. However, that does not mean that the IPCC statement was correct. Dr. Lewis defends it, saying:

The IPCC statement itself is poorly written, and bizarrely referenced, but basically correct. It is very well known that in Amazonia tropical forests exist when there is more than about 1.5 meters of rain a year, below that the system tends to ‘flip’ to savanna, so reductions in rainfall towards this threshold could lead to rapid shifts in vegetation.

Indeed, some leading models of future climate change impacts show a die-off of more than 40% Amazon forests, due to projected decreases in rainfall. The most extreme die-back model predicted that a new type of drought should begin to impact Amazonia, and in 2005 it happened for the first time: a drought associated with Atlantic, not Pacific sea-surface temperatures. The effect on the forest was massive tree mortality, and the remaining Amazon forests changed from absorbing nearly 2 billion tonnes of CO2 from the atmosphere a year, to being a massive source of over 3 billion tonnes.

The Amazon drought impacts paper was written by myself and colleagues in Science (attached). Here is the press release explaining the sensitivity: http://www.leeds.ac.uk/news/article/36/amazon_carbon_sink_threatened_by_drought

Now, there’s a couple of things to note about this claim. First, other than a paper by Dr. Lewis himself about Amazon carbon sinks, there are no citations. The paper about carbon sinks is interesting, but it does not show anything about a “flip” to savannah, and doesn’t mention the 40% claim.

Second, he does not present any evidence that the 40% statement is correct. Instead, he says that climate models show that the statement is correct … Now, climate model results are interesting, but they are not evidence of anything but the assumptions of the programmers of the models.

And in fact, the 40% claim is called into question by another paper by the same Nepstad cited by the WWF document. It says:

During the severe drought of 2001, PAW10m [plant-available soil water to 10 metres depth] fell to below 25% of PAWmax in 31% of the region’s forests and fell below 50% PAWmax in half of the forests.

Now, if the Amazon were so sensitive, if it “could react drastically” to even a “slight reduction” in rainfall, certainly such a large reduction would make a big difference … but that didn’t happen. There was no “flip” to savannah mentioned in the paper.

Third, Dr. Lewis seems to want us to think that some fraction of the rainforest becoming savannah is supportive of the IPCC claim that:

… the tropical vegetation, hydrology and climate system in South America could change very rapidly to another steady state …

That’s just misdirection. Dr. Lewis does not provide any evidence in support of the alarmist claim that the South American climate is in danger of a rapid change to some other steady state. Which is no surprise to me, since I know of no historical evidence of such a rapid large-scale change in the tropical climate to a much dryer state.

And finally, even Dr. Lewis recognizes that there is no scientific certainty about this question, saying:

This is not to say this there isn’t much uncertaintly as to exactly how vulnerable how much of the Amazon is to moving to a savanna system.

Well … yeah. Given that uncertainly, his claim that the IPCC statement is “basically correct” is unsupportable. “Much uncertainty” means that we cannot make scary statements like the IPCC has done, and we certainly can’t say that they are “basically correct”. All we can say is that they are uncertain.

Before going on to look at some actual data, lets review the story so far:

1. The IPCC made a claim that “Up to 40% of the Amazonian forests could react drastically to even a slight reduction in precipitation”, and that the South American climate could change rapidly to a new steady state.

2. This was referenced to a WWF review paper which was not peer reviewed.

3. The WWF paper had no citation for that claim.

4. Dr. Lewis says the claims are correct. However, like the IPCC, he does not provide a citation for his claim that the 40% statement is correct. He points us to a 2009 paper, of which he is a co-author. It doesn’t contain any support for the 40% claim. He refers to a few climate models, but shows no evidence.

5. Dr. Lewis says that there is “much uncertainty” about the question.

6. Dr. Lewis does not provide any evidence to support the idea that the South American climate is likely to change rapidly to a new steady state.

Now, having reviewed the story so far, lets think about this a bit dispassionately. First, is it theoretically possible for the Amazon to “flip” from rainforest to savannah?

Certainly it can. If the Amazon rainfall went to a tenth of the current value, it would all be savannah. So how much would a “slight reduction” affect the Amazon rainforest?

To investigate this, we can look at the amounts of rainfall around the Amazon. Figure 2 compares the vegetation and the rainfall:

Figure 2. Vegetation map of central South America. The Amazon rainforest is dark green. Violet rectangle show area of measured rainfall shown below in Fig. 3. Red lines show rainfall in millimetres per year.

There are several things we can see from this map. First, rainfall is not the only thing that is limiting the Amazon rainforest. There are areas with less than 1600 mm which are rainforest, and areas with more than 1600 mm which are not rainforest.

Second, at the left edge of the rainforest, we have the Andes mountains. In these areas, the Amazon is limited by elevation rather than by rainfall.

Now, suppose that the rainfall drops by 10%. I’d call that a “slight reduction” in rainfall. Will that affect 40% of the rainforest? No way. If we were to shrink all of the red lines by 10%, we’d only get about a 20% reduction in area … but there are large areas which are not rainfall limited in that sense. So a 10% reduction in rainfall might, and I emphasize might, give us a maximum of a 20% reduction in rainforest area. To get to 40% rainforest loss, we’d need a large reduction in rainfall, not a slight reduction.

But who is claiming that there will be a large reduction in Amazon rainfall? That is a model prediction, and not even one that appears in all of the models. Dr. Lewis says:

Indeed, some leading models of future climate change impacts show a die-off of more than 40% Amazon forests, due to projected decreases in rainfall.

This, of course, also means that some leading models do not show a die-off. Even the models don’t all agree with the IPCC claim.

However, all of this, all of the claims and counterclaims, and the models, and Dr. Lewis’s letter, and the cited scientific documents, all run aground on one ugly fact:

The data shows no change in Amazon rainfall in a century of measurements.

Figure 3 shows three different ground-based observational datasets, along with the recent Tropical Rainfall Measuring Mission (TRMM) satellite data.

Figure 3. Four Amazon rainfall datasets, covering the rectangular area shown in violet in Fig. 2 (2.5°N–12.5°S, 72.5°W–50°W). Note the generally good agreement between the four datasets (including the TRMM satellite data)

The main feature of this dataset is its stability. Note the lack of any trend over the last century, and the lack of any large excursions in the rainfall. It stays between two and two and a half metres per year. There are no really wet years, and no really dry years. 95% of the years are within ± 10% of the average rainfall. There are individual dry years, but no prolonged periods of drought.

So while Dr. Lewis says (correctly) that rainforest can change to savannah, he is not correct that 40% of the Amazon is at risk from a “slight reduction” in rainfall. More to the point, there is no evidence to indicate that we are headed for a reduction in Amazon rainfall, “slight” or otherwise. That is a fantasy based on climate models.

The reality is that despite the globe warming by half a degree or so over the last century, there has been no change in the Amazon rainfall. As usual, the IPCC is taking the most alarmist position possible … and Dr. Lewis is doing all he can to claim that the IPCC alarmism is actually good science.

Unfortunately for both the IPCC and Dr. Lewis, here at the end of a long, twisted, and rainy jungle trail, we find that the facts inconveniently disagree with their claims.

[UPDATE] Credit where credit is due. I love writing here because I always learn something. The Amazongate story was originally broken by Richard North, whose blog is EUReferendum. Give it a look, lots of good stuff.

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oneuniverse
June 27, 2010 12:57 pm

Willis Eschenbach: “Richard, thanks for that. Do you have a citation of the Amazon transitioning to savanna? Because my understanding was that it was a persistent feature.”
The IPCC apparently cites a few ‘extreme’ modelling studies which, if correct, support the IPCC’s “40% / savanna” statement :
Betts et al. 2004, “The role of ecosystem-atmosphere interactions in simulated Amazonian precipitation decrease and forest dieback under global change warming.”
Cox et al. 2004“Amazonian forest dieback under climate-carbon cycle projections for the 21st century.”
Huntingford et al. 2004, “Using a GCM analogue model to investigate the potential for Amazonian forest dieback.”
I don’t have access to the Huntingford et al. paper., but the Cox & Betts (et al.) feature model projections of temperature rises of 8-12K by 2100 (extreme with respect to the IPCC consensus range), and semi-arid to arid environments in the 22nd Century (<= 2mm/day at the end of the 21st century, and still falling).
More realistically, the following study finds against the IPCC's "40% / savanna" statement :
Mahli et al. 2009, PNAS, “Exploring the likelihood and mechanism of a climate-change-induced dieback of the Amazon rainforest”

DirkH
June 27, 2010 1:03 pm

oneuniverse says:
June 27, 2010 at 12:57 pm
“[…]
The IPCC apparently cites a few ‘extreme’ modelling studies which, if correct, support the IPCC’s “40% / savanna” statement :”
That’s a good one.

Solomon Green
June 27, 2010 1:05 pm

Mike Roddy says:
June 27, 2010 at 8:08 am
“Lewis’ Amazon data is robust. Green’s comment settles this issue. Time to move on.”
I have looked for any member of my extended tribe to whom Mr. Roddy might be referring. I found none. Perhaps he could reference his remarks. Otherwise let it be known that this Green at any rate wholly accepts Mr. Eschenbach’s debunking of Dr. Lewis’s pseudo science.

Shub Niggurath
June 27, 2010 1:24 pm

Zhang et al in Nature, 2007 estimate (whether you accept it or not) that long-term precipitation trends over the past century over the Amazon (among other regions) are slightly positive.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v448/n7152/abs/nature06025.html
The same is borne out in the TRMM data posted above.
The ‘savannization’ paradigm basically originates in modeling. The modeling conclusions seems to have triggered a search for its ‘signature’ in real-world observations

oneuniverse
June 27, 2010 1:40 pm

Willis, unless you discovered the unfounded nature of the IPCC’s Amazon claim independently of Dr. North, may I suggest that a link to his original work is appropriate, now that you know who the original investigator was.

DirkH
June 27, 2010 2:06 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 27, 2010 at 1:43 pm
“Everyone, Richard North broke the Amazongate story, and I was unaware of that. Because I didn’t know that, I did not give him credit for doing so, nor for his perseverance in furthering the story.”
Willis, it would be great if you could add that as an update to your post. Pretty please. I hate to see the two of you arguing.

June 27, 2010 2:08 pm

Richard North says:
June 27, 2010 at 12:29 pm
Does The Times write about clocks, or Little Green Footballs write about little green footballs? Sadly, we are saddled with our title – we have five years of “brand identity” locked into it and to change now would lose a lot of our readers.

Easy enough to do, if you do it gradually. Remember how Datsun changed to Nissan (in the USA, at any rate)? You run both names for a while, create a new URL, and forward the old one. Then you emphasize the new name, while the old one gradually shrinks, and eventually it becomes “North by Worldwide [or whatever you decide to call it], formerly EU Referendum.”
Then get Willis to bookmark it.
For additional consulting services, just email me: RepletewRue at Yahoo dot com. 😉
/Mr Lynn

Shub Niggurath
June 27, 2010 2:26 pm

Yes Willis. Let me give you an example. You filed the first (?) FOIA request to the CRU right? What if someone started a new post about FOI to address environmental and science data lapses, talking about Climategate and all else, never once mentioning you, Climateaudit, David Holland and the others?
‘EU’ Ref was never about just EU. Some of the most important climate stories, the whole Pachauri Glaciergate saga and many others were broken, or significantly advanced by North.
You guys should make up
Regards

Dave McK
June 27, 2010 2:26 pm

Willis – you just rock.
I haven’t seen anybody be so good in a long while – and it’s sustainable, too!
Pleasure to know you exist, dude.
I hope you never get surrounded by clingons, though. Even Rand died of that. Stay free!

1DandyTroll
June 27, 2010 2:34 pm

Richard North
‘The point that you miss is that “Amazongate” was broken on WUWT last January, here and here. Thus the story is better than five months old and even then had developed beyond the point where you leave it.’
So instead of furthering the story happy as you please, you rather nit pick and bicker?
What’s the point of “trashing” a story when it is deserving of furthering? Especially when you apparently, by your own accord, didn’t break the story?
Can a story only be told once by one version, first revision?

Steve in SC
June 27, 2010 2:40 pm

The WWF is much like their siblings the Islamofacist charities.

richard Telford
June 27, 2010 2:44 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 27, 2010 at 9:42 am
From Africa
Ulrich Salzmann and Philipp Hoelzmann 2005. The Dahomey Gap; an abrupt climatically induced rain forest fragmentation in West Africa during the late Holocene.
The Holocene, 15(2):190-199
A. Ngomanda et al. 2009 Western equatorial African forest-savanna mosaics: a legacy of late Holocene climatic change? Climate of the Past. Clim. Past, 5, 647–659
http://www.clim-past.net/5/647/2009/
I’m less familiar with the Amazonian literature.
Over a wide range of tropical climates, savanna and forest are alternative stable states. When undisturbed, both are resilient to small changes in climate. For example, Fire (and herbivores) helps maintain savanna, even if precipitation is greater than that required to sustain a forest.
If the climate becomes dryer, the forest not immediately transition to savanna, but the probability of this transition increases. Processes like fragmentation and logging in Amazonia will increase the likelihood of a transition from forest to savanna, even without climate change.

June 27, 2010 2:47 pm

Tom in Texas says:
June 27, 2010 at 12:41 pm
“…and expect people to give your ideas weight?”
Willis, cut Mike some slack. He graduated from UC Berkeley (1967-1970) with honors.
Doesn’t say much for Berkeley. Do they teach debate there? ..and probably a paid one. What the heck? Why don’t you just ask him, you twit? Or do you try to make a point by innuendo? Do they teach that at Berkeley?

Al Gored
June 27, 2010 2:58 pm

DirkH says:
June 27, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Willis Eschenbach says:
June 27, 2010 at 1:43 pm
“Everyone, Richard North broke the Amazongate story, and I was unaware of that. Because I didn’t know that, I did not give him credit for doing so, nor for his perseverance in furthering the story.”
Willis, it would be great if you could add that as an update to your post. Pretty please. I hate to see the two of you arguing.
————-
I agree. Just distracts from the issue that was covered very well by both. i would say the more mutual support, the better.
That said, I must say that I did learn more about the specific details here… in yet another very clear, concise and well illustrated article from Mr. E.
However, unfortunately, because neither has been vetted by a peer review process recognized by the establishment or featured in a WWF brochure, it is clearly all just fluff. Move along. Nothing to see here. 2 + 2 = 5.

Al Gored
June 27, 2010 3:18 pm

Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this but there is a growing body of evidence that more than just climate has shaped the past Amazon. This was first brought to the attention of the braoder public in Charles C. Mann’s book ‘1491’ and the more they look, the more they find…
Here’s one paper I just quickly googled… from the PNAS, which may explain the “hotly debated” point.
Pre-Columbian agricultural landscapes, ecosystem engineers, and self-organized patchiness in Amazonia
Doyle McKey,a1 Stéphen Rostain,b José Iriarte,c Bruno Glaser,d2 Jago Jonathan Birk,d Irene Holst,e and Delphine Renarda
Abstract
The scale and nature of pre-Columbian human impacts in Amazonia are currently hotly debated. Whereas pre-Columbian people dramatically changed the distribution and abundance of species and habitats in some parts of Amazonia, their impact in other parts is less clear. Pioneer research asked whether their effects reached even further, changing how ecosystems function, but few in-depth studies have examined mechanisms underpinning the resilience of these modifications. Combining archeology, archeobotany, paleoecology, soil science, ecology, and aerial imagery, we show that pre-Columbian farmers of the Guianas coast constructed large raised-field complexes, growing on them crops including maize, manioc, and squash. Farmers created physical and biogeochemical heterogeneity in flat, marshy environments by constructing raised fields. When these fields were later abandoned, the mosaic of well-drained islands in the flooded matrix set in motion self-organizing processes driven by ecosystem engineers (ants, termites, earthworms, and woody plants) that occur preferentially on abandoned raised fields. Today, feedbacks generated by these ecosystem engineers maintain the human-initiated concentration of resources in these structures. Engineer organisms transport materials to abandoned raised fields and modify the structure and composition of their soils, reducing erodibility. The profound alteration of ecosystem functioning in these landscapes coconstructed by humans and nature has important implications for understanding Amazonian history and biodiversity. Furthermore, these landscapes show how sustainability of food-production systems can be enhanced by engineering into them fallows that maintain ecosystem services and biodiversity. Like anthropogenic dark earths in forested Amazonia, these self-organizing ecosystems illustrate the ecological complexity of the legacy of pre-Columbian land use.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2867901/

Al Gored
June 27, 2010 3:27 pm

Here’s another link related to my last post. The underlying point is that until European impacts – notably smallpox – the Amazon was not the great ‘wilderness’ rain forest that the WWF et al like to see it as. There were millions of people there, effectively managing much of the landscape for their own needs. Obviously this ‘original’ Amazon would have been a different carbon sink than the depopulated and overgrown one. Similarly, the great Mayan temples were discovered overgrown by jungles.
Science. 2003 Sep 19;301(5640):1710-4.
Amazonia 1492: pristine forest or cultural parkland?
Heckenberger MJ, Kuikuro A, Kuikuro UT, Russell JC, Schmidt M, Fausto C, Franchetto B.
Abstract
Archaeology and indigenous history of Native Amazonian peoples in the Upper Xingu region of Brazil reveal unexpectedly complex regional settlement patterns and large-scale transformations of local landscapes over the past millennium. Mapping and excavation of archaeological structures document pronounced human-induced alteration of the forest cover, particularly in relation to large, dense late-prehistoric settlements (circa 1200 to 1600 A.D.). The findings contribute to debates on human carrying capacity, population size and settlement patterns, anthropogenic impacts on the environment, and the importance of indigenous knowledge, as well as contributing to the pride of place of the native peoples in this part of the Amazon.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14500979

Derek B
June 27, 2010 3:32 pm

Strange that Lewis thinks Nepstad’s paper “is not related to the vulnerability of these forests to reductions in rainfall”. Nepstad told the Sunday Times that his “rainfall exclusion experiments in the Amazon showed trees began dying suddenly after three years of well-below average rainfall”. Looks like Nepstad hasn’t read his own paper. How careless these alarmists are!
Sadly, such carelessness is everywhere. Take your own observation:
‘Now, if the Amazon were so sensitive, if it “could react drastically” to even a “slight reduction” in rainfall, certainly such a large reduction would make a big difference … but that didn’t happen. There was no “flip” to savannah mentioned in the paper.’
This is what happens when you take things out of context. In the original context it is clear that these slight reductions are in average rainfall, i.e. sustained over many years. Nepstad makes it clear that the forests can and do cope with droughts of a year or two.

Al Gored
June 27, 2010 3:34 pm

Willis Eschenbach says:
June 27, 2010 at 11:13 am
“Where someone has published in the past has nothing to do with whether they are right on any given issue.”
Indeed. just out of curiosity, does anyone know what journals the (false) conclusions about the validity of the Piltdown man were published? I’m guessing that the Royal Society fell for that one… too.

Stephen Skinner
June 27, 2010 3:40 pm

Pdeter Foster says:
June 27, 2010 at 11:12 am
…”Due to the slash and burn by farmers it was thought that if enough forest was removed in the eastern part of the basin then there would be insufficient water to maintain the transpiration cycle inland and the area would dry out to the point where the forest could not survive”.
“Nothing to do with climate change at all. However I do not know if this theory is still considered valid or not”.
I disagree. I think what you have described is everything to do with climate change and is not a theory. The effect of slash and burn on a large scale in the Amazon was observed as far back as 1865 when the sugar plantations were expanding. This is a key excerpt: “This destruction of the forests has exhausted the soil, which in many places now produces nothing but grasses suitable for grazing cattle. The temperature has intensified, and the seasons have become irregular. The rains at times damage the crops, and at other times there is not rain at all”.
Also, have you read ‘The Damned’ by Fred Pearce?

Al Gored
June 27, 2010 4:16 pm

Billy Liar says:
June 27, 2010 at 6:16 am
Marot says:
June 27, 2010 at 3:25 am
‘Dr Simon Lewis is directly funded by wwf-Tanzania and wwf-US :
http://www.valuingthearc.org/about_us/index.html‘
Good link; WWF sure have bought a lot of scientists
———–
Indeed. This is just the tip of the iceberg. As a bonus, they also get ‘peer reviewed journals.’ Another of the arc team:
Prof Jon Lovett
University of York
Jon is Professor of Sustainable Development at the University of Twente in the Netherlands and Director of the Centre for Ecology, Law and Policy at the University of York, England. He is associate editor of the African Journal of Ecology…

899
June 27, 2010 4:46 pm

Al Gored says:
June 27, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Here’s another link related to my last post. [–snip for brevity–]
There’s a really good book you might peruse when you get the chance. It’s titled The Mystery of The Mexican Pyramids, by Peter Thompkins.
I purchased it about 30 years ago, and he goes into detail over matters.
From what I recall, his thoughts are that the culture dissipated because of internal strife having to do with political matters, and changing climate, much as happened with Machu Picchu.
IIRC correctly, he also talks about there being trees on a certain hillside which seem out of place, because the current weather pattern doesn’t support them being there, they being more of a wet weather species.
Check it out if you can find a copy.

899
June 27, 2010 4:59 pm

Derek B says:
June 27, 2010 at 3:32 pm
Strange that Lewis thinks Nepstad’s paper “is not related to the vulnerability of these forests to reductions in rainfall”. Nepstad told the Sunday Times that his “rainfall exclusion experiments in the Amazon showed trees began dying suddenly after three years of well-below average rainfall”. Looks like Nepstad hasn’t read his own paper. How careless these alarmists are!
[–snip for brevity–]

I wonder how he conducted those “rainfall exclusion experiments”?

jorgekafkazar
June 27, 2010 5:08 pm

Richard North says: “Mr Eschenbach, if you had actually followed the debate instead of trying to reinvent the wheel…”
A major part of science, as has been stated here (and probably in EUReferendum) many times, is the necessity for experimental results to be replicable. This involves a lot of wheel reinvention. Wheel reinvention is a way of life for a scientist. “Following the debate” is difficult on the web, Google notwithstanding, and “reinventing the wheel” is not illegal, unethical, or immoral. It just happens, and I see no justification for you to assume that Willis was deliberately “trying” to do so.

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