Climate Craziness of the Week: Denmark evicting citizens to clear cut forests for wind turbines

I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t read this message of a Danish group opposed to the plan. Greens clear-cutting trees in a national park and evicting people, whoda thunk?. Seems like a case of “we had to destroy the village to save it“. Here’s the description of the park from the Danish National Parks website:

The west of Thy has been designated as the first Danish national park. The National Park, Thy stretches for an up to 12-kilometer-wide belt along the Jutland west coast from Agger Tange in the south to Hanstholm in the north. It is an enormous and unspoiled natural area totaling 244 km2 – almost the size of the Danish island of Langeland. In the National Park you can go between outstretched, wind-swept wilds and aromatic pine trees. You can also throw yourself into the sparkling waves of the North Sea or bike through cool dune plantations.

I’ve reposted the message from the opposition group below.

Dear environmentally aware citizen of the world!                                   www.nationalttestcenter.dk

Copenhagen, December 2009

The Danish government plans to clear forests and destroy unique nature for the benefit of industry.

The Danish environment minister Troels Lund Poulsen decided, on behalf of the government, on 30th September 2009, that the clearing of 15 km2 of forest in the north west of Denmark will take place. A test centre for the development of offshore windmills is planned to take up 30 km2 of land in the Thy region, near Østerild. This deforestation will create an increase of 400,000 tonnes of CO2 emission, the equivalent of the CO2 emission of 100,000 people per year.

The government will force the local population out of their homes. The reasoning behind this is said to be for the benefit of the Danish windmill industry, which will in turn create more Danish jobs. The regulations to finalise the evictions goes against Denmark’s constitution and is therefore clearly illegal.

In current plans, the area is categorised as a recreational area, where the set up of windmills is prohibited.

The region is one of Denmark’s most beautiful areas. With its rugged landscapes and grand views, as well as many rare species of animals, birds and plants, the area is representative of authentic Danish nature. There are very few areas of Denmark left, where one can experience darkness at night and complete silence.

The windmills, which are 250 meters tall, are planned to be along a 6 km linear south/north stretch. This will prevent birds in the international Ramsar-area, Vejlerne, which is situated to the east of the test centre, from flying west to the EU-habitat area Vullum Sø and to Thy National Park just south of Hanstholm.

The Danish government has not consulted properly about the plans. The Danish citizens had little time to put forward comments of the project. The hearing has only been 11 days long, with 9 of those being a national holiday.

The environment minister has decided that a report on this projects impact on nature and the wildlife will be completed by early December 2009. The consequence of this is that it is impossible to produce a well documented scientific report, to act as the foundation for a political decision.

The local population has formed an association, “Landforeningen for Bedre Miljø” (The Association for an Improved Environment) with the aim to inform about the environmental consequences for both the society and nature, if plans for the national test centre are followed through. So far, “Landsforeningen for Bedre Miljø“ has tried, in vain, to persuade the Danish government to produce a more thorough investigation of the project’s impacts on the surroundings.

The association is discontented with the planning process so far, because they have neglected ordinary, well-known, democratic principles, which Denmark otherwise uses every opportunity to talk about across the world.

If you, as an environmentally aware citizen of the world, thinks that questions ought to be asked concerning this unjust conduct towards our future generations inheritance of the nature, please spread the word about this planned national test centre.

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Chris Horner of Pajamas Media has a summary of the issue:

President Obama was caught flatfooted by the embarrassing truth about Spain’s “green economy” after he instructed us — on eight separate occasions — to “think about what’s happening in countries like Spain” as a model for a U.S. future. Spain, of course, is suffering an economic meltdown from enormous public debt incurred through programs like a mandated “green economy.”

But Obama also just implored Spain to drastically scale back or risk becoming Greece. A flip he immediately flopped, by pushing hard to enact the Kerry-Lieberman “path to insolvency” bill based on … Spain. (Cue Benny Hill theme.)

So, embarrassed — or perhaps shameless — Obama changed his pitch: “Think about what’s happening in countries like Denmark.”

Of course, the experience of Denmark — a country with a population half that of Manhattan’s, not exactly a useful energy model for our rather different economy and society — is no great shakes, either.

But it gets better.

In my new book — Power Grab: How Obama’s Green Policies Will Steal Your Freedom and Bankrupt America — I describe the absurdity of the “free ice cream” theories of the “green economy” our statist friends now embrace as their latest raison d’etre for a controlled society. My mother-in-law — visiting from Denmark — is reading my book with a particular interest in its exposé of what her heavily taxed labor pays for in that country.

The book also prompted her to relay an amazing new anecdote to the case study referred to by the Danes as “the fairy tale of the windmills.”

In the northern region of Jutland called Thy, Denmark is forcing people off of their land (“Kelo” is apparently Danish for “Kelo”) and — wait for it — preparing to clear-cut fifteen square kilometers of forest, and eventually thirty, in order to put up more of the bird- and job-killing monstrosities.

These giant windmills are not even intended to fill an energy gap for the Danish economy. No, they are to be onshore experimental versions of massive new off-shore turbines — with the facility to be rented out to wind mavens like Siemens.

The argument they are forwarding for doing this is not just the typically risible claim that this is necessary for the environment. After all, “[the] deforestation will create an increase of 400,000 tons of CO2 emissions, the equivalent of the CO2 emissions of 100,000 people per year.”

They are also forwarding the argument that this must occur in order to create Danish jobs.

Of course, “creating jobs,” to the extent such mandates can do this (as they are typically net job killers), appears much more necessary after the state first made it difficult for the private sector to do such things. Denmark enforced what methods, and what quantity of those methods, are acceptable for producing electricity. It always turns out that the acceptable ways are inefficient, intermittent, and expensive. Which sort of explains the need for mandates.

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May 25, 2010 3:38 am


Craig Goodrich posts here a helluva letter-to-the-editor he’d “sent to a newspaper in upstate New York a year ago” on the subject of wind turbines as a economically non-viable and environmentally hostile power generation option.
Damn. This piece really deserves wider dissemination than a mainstream media periodical would afford it, and greater persistence on the Web than a comment on a Web log post. Would the author be interested – if he can find no other venue – in submitting it as an article to Ken Holder, the editor at The Libertarian Enterprise?
Once its online at such a site, it will at least generate search engine hits. And that, by Bastiat, it surely ought to do.

David, UK
May 25, 2010 4:10 am

Gareth Phillips: “Hi, I know this area and it is indeed windy. If there potential is there, why not use it? The trees will grow again, though it’s unlikely the wind will stop, so why not use the energy ?If these trees were being cut down in Oregon to build new holiday homes, would posters be as concerned? Or is the concern about cutting down trees not related to the trees, but with regards to why they have been cut down?”
No, the concern is that the Danish government, at huge taxpayer expense, is cutting down a forest for the sake of a bunch of incredibly inefficient and costly wind turbines that are not needed. That’s reason enough not to use it (the wind energy), to answer your first question. The reason there would be less fuss over holiday homes, is that taxpayers don’t pay for holiday homes. I’ll forgive you for not seeing the obvious though, Gareth. You did say you were a “lefty.”

May 25, 2010 4:17 am


kwik writes: “When I hear a Socialist say that the Government will ‘Create Jobs’ I want to puke.
Welcome to that sociopolitical perspective that I once heard a wide-eyed Republican groundling receive with the whimper: “My God! He’s pro-choice on everything!
For theoretical reinforcement (as if you haven’t come across it already, kwik), I recommend the writings of Henry Hazlitt, his predecessor in common-sense economics, Frédéric Bastiat, and Ludwig von Mises.
There’s something of a start, at least. When I bumped into him at a convention 22 years ago, Ron Paul told me that his conversion to the support of political economics predicated on the protection of individual human rights got started when he’d read von Mises’ Human Action. I replied that mine began when I’d stumbled upon a copy of Henry Hazlitt’s The Conquest of Poverty.
I didn’t tackle von Mises’ Big Damn Book until some years later – but, then, bear in mind that I got through medical school pretty much entirely on the accessibility of the Lange series books. Dr. Paul, gynecologist though he is, was a swot in school on a grander order of magnitude than I.
(Though you’ve got to admit that
Harrison’s Principles of Internal Medicine sure looks better on your bookshelf, the most recent Appleton & Lange Review of Internal Medicine is a boatload less dated and a whole lot easier to page through for immediately pertinent and clinically useful information. Cheaper, too.)
Then, of course, there’s the economist who caused my father to build an archive of Newsweek issues in the basement (I regret never having discussed that with him), one Milton Friedman, who gained Nobel laureate status for having demonstrated that for every job “created” by civil government, two objectively even more valuable jobs in the productive private sector were destroyed.
I recommend taking Dr. Friedman cum granum salis, of course.
Well, hell. Happy reading, kwik.

May 25, 2010 6:32 am

Goodrich
May I use your letter at my sad little web site/blog http://no2wind.org ?
Trying to stop the vandalization of the countryside that you experienced from taking place across the lake in northern Michigan.

Justa Joe
May 25, 2010 6:59 am

“I try and see all sides of the argument, wind power does indeed have a place in generation of power along with Nuclear power stations, it’s a question of balance and how we exploit all resources wisely and economically.” – Gareth Phillips
I’m not sure where you get the idea that Wind power has a “place” in electrical generation. Nuclear would obviate the need for wind power. Wind power apparently only exists to garner public subsidies. Wind power (the most expensive way to generate electricity) only serves to increase our utlity bills and taxes.

Hu McCulloch
May 25, 2010 7:17 am

The report in question is dated Dec. 09. Have there been any new developments?
@Mikkel May 24, 2010 at 10:29 am says, “The story has many angles and has been covered in Danish media for months.” Has ground been broken, or is it on hold?

Bruce Cobb
May 25, 2010 9:22 am

Michael Cejnar says:
May 24, 2010 at 6:08 pm

So a slowly turning windmill may in fact be taking power out of the grid? Can anyone confirm this?

Yes, they require fairly large amounts of electricity to operate – perhaps 50% or more of their rated capacity, and may very well actually use more than they produce.
From http://www.aweo.org/windconsumption.html
“Among the wind turbine functions that use electricity are the following:
* yaw mechanism (to keep the blade assembly perpendicular to the wind; also to untwist the electrical cables in the tower when necessary) — the nacelle (turbine housing) and blades together weigh 92 tons on a GE 1.5-MW turbine
* blade-pitch control (to keep the rotors spinning at a regular rate)
* lights, controllers, communication, sensors, metering, data collection, etc.
* heating the blades — this may require 10%-20% of the turbine’s nominal (rated) power
* heating and dehumidifying the nacelle — according to Danish manufacturer Vestas, “power consumption for heating and dehumidification of the nacelle must be expected during periods with increased humidity, low temperatures and low wind speeds”
* oil heater, pump, cooler, and filtering system in gearbox
* hydraulic brake (to lock the blades in very high wind)
* thyristors (to graduate the connection and disconnection between generator and grid) — 1%-2% of the energy passing through is lost
* magnetizing the stator — the induction generators used in most large grid-connected turbines require a “large” amount of continuous electricity from the grid to actively power the magnetic coils around the asynchronous “cage rotor” that encloses the generator shaft; at the rated wind speeds, it helps keep the rotor speed constant, and as the wind starts blowing it helps start the rotor turning (see next item); in the rated wind speeds, the stator may use power equal to 10% of the turbine’s rated capacity, in slower winds possibly much more
* using the generator as a motor (to help the blades start to turn when the wind speed is low or, as many suspect, to maintain the illusion that the facility is producing electricity when it is not,‡ particularly during important site tours) — it seems possible that the grid-magnetized stator must work to help keep the 40-ton blade assembly spinning, along with the gears that increase the blade rpm some 50 times for the generator, not just at cut-in (or for show in even less wind) but at least some of the way up towards the full rated wind speed; it may also be spinning the blades and rotor shaft to prevent warping when there is no wind§
It may be that each turbine consumes more than 50% of its rated capacity in its own operation. If so, the plant as a whole — which may produce only 25% of its rated capacity annually — would be using (for free!) twice as much electricity as it produces and sells. An unlikely situation perhaps, but the industry doesn’t publicize any data that proves otherwise; incoming power is apparently not normally recorded.”

Justa Joe
May 25, 2010 9:58 am

I jumped the gun. Thatcher isn’t dead yet, but I also can’t find any evidence that she is some kind of “climate change,” Cap & Trade, or Al Gore advocate to this day. Arguably she got the CAGW band wagon rolling in her efforts to fight the coal unions.

Henry chance
May 25, 2010 10:22 am

Last year Resident Obama was talking up all these green jobs. Wind is qwhere it is at. Hot air!!
He visited a big wind turbine blade plant in Iowa and talked up the hundreds of new jobs.
They are laying off even more.
http://www.newtonindependent.com/newton_independent/2010/05/tpi-announces-more-layoffs-at-newton-wind-blade-plant.html
This green bubble is burst. 38 million dollar plant. Loaded with subsidies and tax credits/incentives.

May 25, 2010 2:53 pm

To respond to Michael Cejnar: Of course wind turbines have motors – generators are motors and motors are generators: Put electricity into an electric motor and you get rotation, rotate the electric motor and you get out electricity – Faraday showed this more than 150 years ago. Electric cars use their motors as generators when braking. And the information about turbines comes from a power company!

Gary Hladik
May 25, 2010 6:46 pm

Save the Daneforest!

Reference
May 26, 2010 6:21 am

wayne May 24, 2010 at 10:12 am
Can Windfarms alter the local micro-climate?
See: Winds turbines produce clouds and a loss of efficiency
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As you view this stunning image of the Horns Rev windfarm, you really begin to appreciate the ability of humans to alter their landscape like no other known species before us. We have the ability to create micro-climates using huge turbines, creating cloud formations on the ocean. What sort of micro-scale effects from these turbines are felt by the wildlife and others? Can we really make clouds? Amazing…
/Quote
http://waweatherscience.com/recent-news/winds-turbines-produce-clouds-and-a-loss-of-efficiency/

John Galt II, RA
May 26, 2010 11:00 am

“”pat says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:16 am
Some sort of contagious insanity grips liberals.””
Yes, the Green Drones really are THAT stupid / insane / etc. – and since they do everything A** backwards, what else would you expect?
Thank God, trees grow on their own in spite of the Green’s worst efforts, reforestration will occur eventually.

David Alan Evans
May 26, 2010 3:31 pm

Philip Foster says:
May 24, 2010 at 1:24 pm

I learnt recently that in the UK, and therefore probably everywhere, wind turbines cannot be left idle for too long or their blades get overstressed and can bend or break. Therefore they are powered up BY the Grid to rotate. So folks, when you see wind turbines running they are just as likely to be USING energy as producing it. Maybe they should be sited around sailing lakes to generate wind on calm days.

It’s also that the rotor shaft distorts. I’ve long advocated that there should be bi-directional metering on these beasts to see if they actually generate any power.
DaveE.

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