Climate Craziness of the Week: Denmark evicting citizens to clear cut forests for wind turbines

I wouldn’t have believed it if I hadn’t read this message of a Danish group opposed to the plan. Greens clear-cutting trees in a national park and evicting people, whoda thunk?. Seems like a case of “we had to destroy the village to save it“. Here’s the description of the park from the Danish National Parks website:

The west of Thy has been designated as the first Danish national park. The National Park, Thy stretches for an up to 12-kilometer-wide belt along the Jutland west coast from Agger Tange in the south to Hanstholm in the north. It is an enormous and unspoiled natural area totaling 244 km2 – almost the size of the Danish island of Langeland. In the National Park you can go between outstretched, wind-swept wilds and aromatic pine trees. You can also throw yourself into the sparkling waves of the North Sea or bike through cool dune plantations.

I’ve reposted the message from the opposition group below.

Dear environmentally aware citizen of the world!                                   www.nationalttestcenter.dk

Copenhagen, December 2009

The Danish government plans to clear forests and destroy unique nature for the benefit of industry.

The Danish environment minister Troels Lund Poulsen decided, on behalf of the government, on 30th September 2009, that the clearing of 15 km2 of forest in the north west of Denmark will take place. A test centre for the development of offshore windmills is planned to take up 30 km2 of land in the Thy region, near Østerild. This deforestation will create an increase of 400,000 tonnes of CO2 emission, the equivalent of the CO2 emission of 100,000 people per year.

The government will force the local population out of their homes. The reasoning behind this is said to be for the benefit of the Danish windmill industry, which will in turn create more Danish jobs. The regulations to finalise the evictions goes against Denmark’s constitution and is therefore clearly illegal.

In current plans, the area is categorised as a recreational area, where the set up of windmills is prohibited.

The region is one of Denmark’s most beautiful areas. With its rugged landscapes and grand views, as well as many rare species of animals, birds and plants, the area is representative of authentic Danish nature. There are very few areas of Denmark left, where one can experience darkness at night and complete silence.

The windmills, which are 250 meters tall, are planned to be along a 6 km linear south/north stretch. This will prevent birds in the international Ramsar-area, Vejlerne, which is situated to the east of the test centre, from flying west to the EU-habitat area Vullum Sø and to Thy National Park just south of Hanstholm.

The Danish government has not consulted properly about the plans. The Danish citizens had little time to put forward comments of the project. The hearing has only been 11 days long, with 9 of those being a national holiday.

The environment minister has decided that a report on this projects impact on nature and the wildlife will be completed by early December 2009. The consequence of this is that it is impossible to produce a well documented scientific report, to act as the foundation for a political decision.

The local population has formed an association, “Landforeningen for Bedre Miljø” (The Association for an Improved Environment) with the aim to inform about the environmental consequences for both the society and nature, if plans for the national test centre are followed through. So far, “Landsforeningen for Bedre Miljø“ has tried, in vain, to persuade the Danish government to produce a more thorough investigation of the project’s impacts on the surroundings.

The association is discontented with the planning process so far, because they have neglected ordinary, well-known, democratic principles, which Denmark otherwise uses every opportunity to talk about across the world.

If you, as an environmentally aware citizen of the world, thinks that questions ought to be asked concerning this unjust conduct towards our future generations inheritance of the nature, please spread the word about this planned national test centre.

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Chris Horner of Pajamas Media has a summary of the issue:

President Obama was caught flatfooted by the embarrassing truth about Spain’s “green economy” after he instructed us — on eight separate occasions — to “think about what’s happening in countries like Spain” as a model for a U.S. future. Spain, of course, is suffering an economic meltdown from enormous public debt incurred through programs like a mandated “green economy.”

But Obama also just implored Spain to drastically scale back or risk becoming Greece. A flip he immediately flopped, by pushing hard to enact the Kerry-Lieberman “path to insolvency” bill based on … Spain. (Cue Benny Hill theme.)

So, embarrassed — or perhaps shameless — Obama changed his pitch: “Think about what’s happening in countries like Denmark.”

Of course, the experience of Denmark — a country with a population half that of Manhattan’s, not exactly a useful energy model for our rather different economy and society — is no great shakes, either.

But it gets better.

In my new book — Power Grab: How Obama’s Green Policies Will Steal Your Freedom and Bankrupt America — I describe the absurdity of the “free ice cream” theories of the “green economy” our statist friends now embrace as their latest raison d’etre for a controlled society. My mother-in-law — visiting from Denmark — is reading my book with a particular interest in its exposé of what her heavily taxed labor pays for in that country.

The book also prompted her to relay an amazing new anecdote to the case study referred to by the Danes as “the fairy tale of the windmills.”

In the northern region of Jutland called Thy, Denmark is forcing people off of their land (“Kelo” is apparently Danish for “Kelo”) and — wait for it — preparing to clear-cut fifteen square kilometers of forest, and eventually thirty, in order to put up more of the bird- and job-killing monstrosities.

These giant windmills are not even intended to fill an energy gap for the Danish economy. No, they are to be onshore experimental versions of massive new off-shore turbines — with the facility to be rented out to wind mavens like Siemens.

The argument they are forwarding for doing this is not just the typically risible claim that this is necessary for the environment. After all, “[the] deforestation will create an increase of 400,000 tons of CO2 emissions, the equivalent of the CO2 emissions of 100,000 people per year.”

They are also forwarding the argument that this must occur in order to create Danish jobs.

Of course, “creating jobs,” to the extent such mandates can do this (as they are typically net job killers), appears much more necessary after the state first made it difficult for the private sector to do such things. Denmark enforced what methods, and what quantity of those methods, are acceptable for producing electricity. It always turns out that the acceptable ways are inefficient, intermittent, and expensive. Which sort of explains the need for mandates.

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roger
May 24, 2010 11:43 am

Gareth Phillips
Wind power has no place in the generation of power in my experience, surrounded as I am by a mix of on and offshore windmills that have rarely been seen to turn since I started watching in December 09. Don’t just take my word for it, visit this site and see the percentage of generated output in UK that they represent on a daily basis – 0.4% on a good day and 0.2% which was the average over the bitter winter months.
Watch out to see the ex ministers of the past UK govt. appear on the boards of the energy companies that are cleaning up on our enforced payments of the renewables levy fraction of our energy bills, and watch the new lot squeal and jostle to win their places at the same trough in five years time after the fixed term parliament.
http://www.bmreports.com/bsp/bsp_home.htm

SSam
May 24, 2010 11:47 am

Who gets the money for the premium timber?

Erik
May 24, 2010 11:47 am

The thing I like the most about windmills is the money it made for my business, about 3 mill. before I got out 😉

mikael pihlström
May 24, 2010 11:51 am

I think Spain’s economic problems have something to do with
something that got out of hand on Wall Street … not green
technology

May 24, 2010 11:53 am

So, what exactly is your position? That wind turbines shouldn’t be built in an effort to try to reduce our dependency on oil/gas/coal? It’s one thing to be skeptical about AGW (as I am), but that doesn’t negate the wisdom of moving towards clean, renewable energy sources. Who cares if a few trees are cut down in the process?
REPLY: Look at the net gain/loss of CO2 for cutting down trees replacing with wind turbines. Then there’s the hypocrisy. If the same area was cleared for a nuclear power plant, the screaming from the greens would be deafening. Windfarm?, oh OK free pass on that. -A

Erik
May 24, 2010 11:56 am

@Mikkel says:
May 24, 2010 at 10:29 am
I do believe this coverage is below the standard on wattsupwiththat.com. The story has many angles and has been covered in Danish media for months. Yet only one angle, from some green group resenting windmills, is presented. And the site linked to is filled with factual errors.
Makes me wonder how many other stories on WUWT only focuses on one side… hmm…
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..and you used all them words to tell us that ?, how about showing all the other angles and factual errors then – makes one wonder if there are any…

May 24, 2010 12:07 pm

I see windpower every day – powering small trackside control units by the railway on my daily commute into the City – the City of London, that is.
They are usually augmented by a solar panel – and I think that that is a good use of windpower. Comparatively remote, small power use, fairly clear from local obstructions. And probably provided with a battery.
By the way – has the Danish government consulted the mariner about the location of their 250m tall windmils? there has been an active debate about a windpark off Aberdeen, with improved locations following a good consultation. Will seafarers off Denmark get that?

Erik
May 24, 2010 12:11 pm

@DD More says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:36 am
Nine national holidays within 11 days??? What a way to run an economy.
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We don’t run actually – just blowing with the wind in a lazy laid-back kind of way as there was no tomorrow 😉

R. de Haan
May 24, 2010 12:16 pm

The planed expansion of Heathrow and Luton have been canceled because of planned CO2 emission reduction programs of the new UK Government.
Sell your Euro’s if you have any, sell your real estate and leave the continent before it’s too late.

May 24, 2010 12:22 pm

Our green governor is trying to cover Michigan with wind factories to create jobs. I’m in northern Michigan near Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore and the state was working on a Wind Zone Resource report last summer. The Board identified the park (it’s on Lake Michigan) and much of the surrounding area as prime for massive wind development. The folks at the park service weren’t too pleased:
“In general, I’d say we’re a very green organization and naturally
support eforts to improve the availability of renewable energy,” said
Sleeping Bear Dunes National Lakeshore deputy superintendent Tom
Ulrich. “But, as part of the National Park Service, we naturally do
have some concerns about what so many large windmills might mean for
the resources it’s our mission to protect, and to the experience of
the many visitors we’re here to serve.”
Interesting to note that the one member of the 11 member Michigan Wind Energy Resource Zone Board that was chosen to represent the public was hired as VP of sales for a wind turbine firm last summer.
I’m keeping track of their shenanigans at

May 24, 2010 12:30 pm

Always be wary of capitalist endeavors with social pretenses. Good things rarely come from such a toxic mix of greed and entitlement.

JP
May 24, 2010 12:31 pm

The most famous area for windmills is Holland. If you go visit Kinderdijk, south of Rotterdam, there is a collection of still-functioning windmills that are on the UNESCO World Heritage list.
Today, the Alblasserwaard region is drained by three giant corkscrews driven by diesel or electricity. When I visited them, I was told that windpower is too unreliable for such a crucial task as water management in Holland.
http://www.kinderdijk.com/historie.htm

May 24, 2010 12:32 pm

Larry Geiger said:
May 24, 2010 at 9:33 am
250 meters tall? Was that right? Just asking. That’s 820 feet tall? Is that accurate?
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http://www.nordicenergysolutions.org/solutions/wind-power/offshore/testing-the-windmills-of-tomorrow
—quote—
[16.10.2009]
….The test site will enable the industry to try out prototypes, and to test the off shore windmills of the future on dry ground. Off shore windmills can be as tall as 250 meters, have a wingspan of about 100 meters and weigh an incredible 500 tons. A windmill of this size needs an area on the ground of about 10000m2.
The new site will be placed in the municipality of Thisted.
—end quote—

DirkH
May 24, 2010 12:34 pm

“mikael pihlström says:
May 24, 2010 at 11:51 am
I think Spain’s economic problems have something to do with
something that got out of hand on Wall Street … not green
technology”
The spanish economic problems are caused by Wall Street? Now you’re talking like a socialist. The spanish economic “boom” was caused by an unsustainable (economically unsustainable) construction boom. Just like Ireland they built houses like crazy; projects financed by cheap money. Every such bubble bursts some time, whether it’s in the US, in Ireland, in Spain or in Dubai. It’s misallocation of resources, plain and simple. Politicians love to create such bubbles – for a while it creates employment and the politician goes through for an economical mastermind and gets his re-election.
Next stop China. And then you can crow your “Wall Street” again.

Henry chance
May 24, 2010 12:34 pm

Cute
The forrest fires in California had 2 issues among others. They disallowed removing dead wood and old growth. They fought building logging trails or forrest service roads.
But for this idea, they can sweeep 30km2 clean.
1 tower is 850 tons. It takes 4 tons of coal in the process to make one ton of steel.
These towers are a boom for the coal business. Another un intended consequence.

James
May 24, 2010 12:37 pm

Liberal environmentalism is a disease of Progressive dementia, akin to stellar mass gravitational collapse to a singularity. The first small steps are attractive and seem almost rational but subsequent steps become Progressively disconnected from reality until reason itself becomes irretrievable. Think of is as the blue event horizon of the massive black hole called Socialist Environmentalism.

Dave Andrews
May 24, 2010 12:39 pm

As others have already pointed out Denmark receives no direct electricity benefit from its windpower. It needs to export the electricity to Scandinavian countries in order to benefit from their more reliable hydro- electic power.
What Denmark has done is find a ‘niche market’ for windpower, precisely because windpower can never be anything more than this and certainly not the panacea that many environmentalists seem to believe it to be.

Harry
May 24, 2010 12:42 pm

Actual data about the production of renewables in the UK, including wind from 2004 onwards:
http://www.clowd.org.uk/
UK Renewable Energy Generation – Monthly and Yearly Data.
Maintenance and operational costs:
http://www.windenergyupdate.com/operations-maintenance-report/index.html
It is as always many times more expensive than calculated. But we, consumers are going to pay the bill anyway. My cost of electricty is now doubled due to energy tax used to pay for PV and wind.

Gail Combs
May 24, 2010 12:44 pm

Gary says:
May 24, 2010 at 9:28 am
Reminds me of things such as this – http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/31/business/worldbusiness/31biofuel.html
You can find a lot of this crazy stuff going on. Palm plantations are now being classified as “forests” so, at least on paper, there is no net loss after they replant. It’s amazing to me how little thought is put into these type schemes before they are implemented.

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It is all about “legislating” uneconomic “pie in the sky” so someone can make a fast buck. The biofuel in the USA is a similar disaster but Monsanto and Cargill (grain traders) posted record profits in 2008 while third world countries had food riots.

Tim Clark
May 24, 2010 12:46 pm

mikael pihlström says:May 24, 2010 at 11:51 am
I think Spain’s economic problems have something to do with
something that got out of hand on Wall Street … not green
technology

Words spoken by a true liberal market whiz.
Investors are leery of Spain because of its shrinking economy, 20 percent unemployment rate and fiscal deficit. Santander and BBVA, Spain’s largest banks, reported earnings that beat analysts’ estimates last week and said Spanish bad loans were stabilizing.
Spain had very little exposure to the leveraged debt in the US.

May 24, 2010 12:50 pm

This story just missed by a few days entry into my new book Wind Power Fraud.
By my calculations wind turbines have an Energy Returned On Energy Invested ratio of 0.29, which is worse than photovoltaic solar at 0.48. Wind and solar, like most alternative energies, are not sustainable.
From the period 1990 thru 2005, Denmark’s average CO2 emissions have increased, not decreased, as they added more and more of these worthless wind turbines.

Gail Combs
May 24, 2010 12:53 pm

Mikkel says:
May 24, 2010 at 10:29 am
I do believe this coverage is below the standard on wattsupwiththat.com. The story has many angles and has been covered in Danish media for months. Yet only one angle, from some green group resenting windmills, is presented. And the site linked to is filled with factual errors.
Makes me wonder how many other stories on WUWT only focuses on one side… hmm…
/Mikkel
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Fine Mikkel, instead of throwing stones how about educating us to the other FACTS. Many of us do not read Danish so we are unaware of the different side to this issue. WUWT brings up stories such as these to DEBATE. If Anthony is wrong and you have good solid fact to prove it than do so.

rbateman
May 24, 2010 12:55 pm

That’s quite the business deal Denmark’s leaders have carved out for themselves.
Take the people’s money and land, build wind farms, and rent them out for profit.

BCGreenBean
May 24, 2010 12:56 pm

Unbelievable. I took the liberty of forwarding the link to this story to everyone in my group (and about a dozen other holdouts in the rest of the circle), and the response was unanimous – this is madness. I think it perfectly highlights the ‘cost of doing something’ as opposed to doing nothing.

Mikkel
May 24, 2010 12:59 pm

@Mikkel says:
May 24, 2010 at 10:29 am
..and you used all them words to tell us that ?, how about showing all the other angels and factual errors then – makes one wonder if there is any…
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That would require much more space than available here in comments. My point is that this goes far beyond the windmills. To focus on one very small topic, and only from one side, in a large political issue does not make sense at all.
Anthony, in my view, chose the wrong story for Climate Craziness of the Week. The story is not crazy, no Danish laws, or the constitution, has been, or will be breached. No more than business as usual, in an established democracy.
/Mikkel