Editorializing about the Editorial

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I just got my printed copy of the May 7th issue of Science Magazine, and I read their Editorial. This is the issue that contained the now-infamous Letter to the Editor with the Photoshopped image of a polar bear on an ice floe. An alternate version of that Photoshopped image is below:

Figure 1. Photoshopped version of a Photoshopped image of a Photoshopped Polar bear.

So is the Editorial as one-sided as the Letter? Surprisingly, no. There are some excellent ideas and statements in it … but it contains some egregious errors of fact, and some curious assertions and exaggerations. I have emphasised in bold those interesting parts below. First, the Editorial:

Stepping Back; Moving Forward

Brooks Hanson

Brooks Hanson is Deputy Editor for physical sciences at Science.

The controversial e-mails related to climate change, plus reported errors in the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) reports, have spurred a dangerous deterioration in the rational relation between science and society. One U.S. senator has called 17 prominent climate scientists criminals, and pundits have suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide. Fourteen U.S. states have filed lawsuits opposing the federal regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, some asserting that “climate change science is a conspiracy.” South Dakota even resolved that there are other “astrological” forcings on climate. Scientists have been barraged by hateful e-mails. The debate has become polarized, and the distrust of scientists and their findings extends well beyond climate science. What can be done to repair society’s trust in science? A broader perspective is needed on all sides.

The main societal challenges—global energy supply, growing the food supply, and improving public health, among others—depend intimately on science, and for this reason society requires a vigorous scientific enterprise. Our expanding global economy is taxing resources and the environment in ways that cannot be sustained. Science provides a deep understanding of these impacts and, as a result, the ability to predict consequences and assess risks.

Addressing anthropogenic climate change exemplifies the challenges inherent in providing critical scientific advice to society (see the Policy Forum on p. 695 and Letter on p. 689). Climate is as global as today’s economy; we know from archaeological and historical records that an unstable climate has disrupted societies. For these reasons, scientists and governments are jointly committed to understanding the impacts of climate change. Thousands of scientists have volunteered for the IPCC or other assessments. Governments have a vested interest in the success of these assessments, and the stakes are high.

We thus must move beyond polarizing arguments in ways that strengthen this joint commitment. The scientific community must recognize that the recent attacks stem in part from its culture and scientists’ behavior. In turn, it is time to focus on the main problem: The IPCC reports have underestimated the pace of climate change while overestimating societies’ abilities to curb greenhouse gas emissions.

Scientists must meet other responsibilities. The ability to collect, model, and analyze huge data sets is one of the great recent advances in science and has made possible our understanding of global impacts. But developing the infrastructure and practices required for handling data, and a commitment to collect it systematically, have lagged. Scientists have struggled to address standardizing, storing, and sharing data, and privacy concerns. Funding must be directed not only toward basic science but toward facilitating better decisions made with the data and analyses that are produced. As a start, research grants should specify a data curation plan, and there should be a greater focus on long-term monitoring of the environment.

Because society’s major problems are complex, generating useful scientific advice requires synthesizing knowledge from diverse disciplines. As the need for synthesis grows, the avenues of communication are changing rapidly. Unfortunately, many news organizations have eviscerated their science staffs. As a result, stories derived from press releases on specific results are crowding out the thoughtful syntheses that are needed.

If the scientific community does not aggressively address these issues, including communicating its process of discovery and recognizing its modern data responsibilities, and if society does not constructively engage science, then the scientific enterprise and the whole of society are in danger of losing their crucial rational relationship. Carl Sagan’s warnings are especially apt today: “We live in a society exquisitely dependent on science and technology, in which hardly anyone knows anything about science and technology.” “This is a prescription for disaster. We might get away with it for a while, but sooner or later this combustible mixture of ignorance and power is going to blow up in our faces.”

So, what’s wrong with the statements I highlighted in bold? Well, they’re not true. Let’s look at them one by one.

One U.S. senator has called 17 prominent climate scientists criminals…

Presumably, this refers to the Senate Minority Report by Senator Inhofe. However, he did not call 17 climate scientists criminals. In fact he does not use that word at all in connection with scientists. Instead, he made a much more nuanced series of statements:

In our view, the CRU documents and emails reveal, among other things, unethical and potentially illegal behavior by some of the world’s preeminent climate scientists.

and:

The released CRU emails and documents display unethical, and possibly illegal, behavior. The scientists appear to discuss manipulating data to get their preferred results. On several occasions they appear to discuss subverting the scientific peer review process to ensure that skeptical papers had no access to publication. Moreover, there are emails discussing unjustified changes to data by federal employees and federal grantees.

These and other issues raise questions about the lawful use of federal funds and potential ethical misconduct.

and

Minority Staff has identified a preliminary sampling of CRU emails and documents which seriously compromise the IPCC-backed “consensus” and its central conclusion that anthropogenic emissions are inexorably leading to environmental catastrophes, and which represent unethical and possibly illegal conduct by top IPCC scientists, among others.

So Brooks Hanson starts out with a false and misleading statement. Inhofe did not “call 17 prominent climate scientists criminals”, that’s simply not true. He said that some of their actions appeared to be possibly illegal … and me, I’d have to agree with the Senator.

On the other side of the pond, whether some of them were criminals was addressed by the UK Parliament Committee, who said:

There is prima facie evidence that CRU has breached the Freedom of Information Act 2000. It would, however, be premature, without a thorough investigation affording each party the opportunity to make representations, to conclude that UEA was in breach of the Act. In our view, it is unsatisfactory to leave the matter unresolved simply because of the operation of the six- month time limit on the initiation of prosecutions.

So it was only because the Statute of Limitations on any criminal offenses had expired that there were no criminal investigations of the acts … sounds like a validation of Senator Inhofe’s claim of “possibly illegal” to me …

… pundits have suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide.

Presumably, this refers to Glen Beck’s statement that:

There’s not enough knives. If this, if the IPCC had been done by Japanese scientists, there’s not enough knives on planet Earth for hara-kiri that should have occurred. I mean, these guys have so dishonored themselves, so dishonored scientists.

I find no other “pundits” who have “suggested that climate scientists should commit suicide”. Nor did Beck. He said that if the IPCC scientists who made the errors and misrepresentations were Japanese, they would have committed suicide from the shame. Now that may or may not be true, but is not a call for American scientists to act Japanese, even Beck knows that’s not possible.

Fourteen U.S. states have filed lawsuits opposing the federal regulation of greenhouse gas emissions, some asserting that “climate change science is a conspiracy.”

I find no State (or any other) lawsuits making this claim against climate scientists, although I might have missed them. Curiously, there was a case (Ned Comer, et al. v. Murphy Oil USA) where the claim was made the other way around, that there was a “civil conspiracy” among the oil companies to deny climate change. But I find nothing the other way.

I suspect that Brooks Hanson is referring (incorrectly) to the Resolution passed in Utah that states:

WHEREAS, emails and other communications between climate researchers around the globe, referred to as “Climategate,” indicate a well organized and ongoing effort to manipulate global temperature data in order to produce a global warming outcome;

Of course, this was a resolution, not a lawsuit. I don’t know if that claim is true or not, although the CRU emails show that there certainly was a “well organized and ongoing effort” to conceal the data regarding global temperature, and to affect the IPCC reports in an unethical and possibly illegal fashion.

South Dakota even resolved that there are other “astrological” forcings on climate.

Here’s the actual text of the South Dakota Bill:

That there are a variety of climatological, meteorological, astrological, thermological, cosmological, and ecological dynamics that can effect world weather phenomena and that the significance and interrelativity of these factors is largely speculative.

I suspect that this was a simple error, and that what was meant was “astronomical” rather than “astrological”. This is supported by their use of “thermological” for “thermal”, as “thermology” is the science of using detailed thermal images of the human body to diagnose disease … I doubt they meant that. It is also supported by their use of “effect” rather than “affect”. I’d say very poor English skills, yes … astrology, no.

Scientists have been barraged by hateful e-mails.

Barraged by mails? Hey, it’s worse than emails, it’s public calls for action:

James Hansen of NASA wanted trials for climate skeptics, accusing them of high crimes against humanity.

Robert Kennedy Jr. called climate skeptics traitors .

Yvo de Boer of the UN called climate skepticism criminally irresponsible .

David Suzuki called for politicians who ignore climate science to be jailed.

DeSmogBlog’s James Hoggan wants skeptics treated as war criminals (video).

Grist called for Nuremberg trials for skeptics.

Joe Romm said that skeptics would be strangled in their beds.

A blogger at TPM pondered when it would be acceptable to execute climate deniers .

Heidi Cullen of The Weather Channel called for skeptical forecasters to be decertified.

Bernie Sanders compared climate skeptics to Nazi appeasers..

And Greenpeace threatened unspecified reprisals against unbelievers, saying:

If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:

We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.

And we be many, but you be few.

And Brooks Hanson is worried about emails, and falsely accuses Senator Inhofe of calling climate scientists criminals? What’s wrong with this picture?

The IPCC reports have underestimated the pace of climate change …

Say what? I’d have to ask for citations on this one. There has been no statistically significant warming in the last 15 years, Arctic sea ice is recovering, climate changes are within natural variation … and he claims the pace has been “underestimated” by the IPCC? Sorry, I don’t buy that one in the slightest.

As a start, research grants should specify a data curation plan …

Lack of plans is not the problem. The main grantor of climate science funds in the US, the National Science Foundation, has very clear regulations about the archiving of climate data … but they simply ignore them. And to make it worse, they continue funding scofflaw scientists who ignore them. Science Magazine and Nature Magazine have very clear policies about data archiving … but they don’t ask authors to follow them whenever they feel like it. The problem is not a lack of “data curation plans” as Hanson claims. It is that the people in charge of those plans have been looking the other way, even when people like myself and many others have asked them to enforce their policies and plans and rules. Those kinds of actions simply reinforce the public idea that all of climate science is a scam and a conspiracy. I don’t think it is either one … but man, some of the AGW supporters in positions of scientific power are sure doing their best to make it look that way …

Now, given all of that, what in the editorial did I like? There were several statements that I felt were very important:

We thus must move beyond polarizing arguments in ways that strengthen this joint commitment. The scientific community must recognize that the recent attacks stem in part from its culture and scientists’ behavior.

I could not agree more. The problems are not the result of some mythical Big-Oil funded climate skeptics public relations machine. They are the result of scientific malfeasance on a large scale by far too many of the top climate scientists. People are enraged by this, as there are few things that raise peoples’ ire more than knowing that they have been duped and misled. And the climate science community is the only one that can fix that.

If the scientific community does not aggressively address these issues, including communicating its process of discovery and recognizing its modern data responsibilities, and if society does not constructively engage science, then the scientific enterprise and the whole of society are in danger of losing their crucial rational relationship.

Well put. The problem is not that Inhofe has said some actions by top climate scientists are unethical and possibly illegal. The problem is that some top scientists acted in unethical and possibly illegal ways. The problem is not that people are sending hateful emails to scientists. It is that climate scientists have poisoned the well by publicly calling for the trial of people with whom they disagree, and then want to complain that people are being mean to them. The problem is not that states are taking to the law to fight bad science, it is that the bad science is so entrenched, and the peer review system has become so much of an old-boys club, that the only way to fight it is in the courts.

This is the crux of the matter for climate scientists who wish to restore the lost trust: do honest, transparent, ethical science, and let the results fall where they may. Stop larding “scientific” papers with pounds of  “might” and “could” and “may” and “possibly” and “conceivably”, we don’t care about your speculations, we want your science. Stop underestimating the errors and overestimating the certainty. Stop making up the “scary scenarios” advocated by Stephen Schneider. Stop calling for trials for people who don’t follow the party line.

And most of all, climate scientists need to learn to say those “three little words”.

You know how women are always hoping that guys will say those three little words, “I love you”? It’s like the old joke, “You know how to get rid of cockroaches? … Ask them for a commitment.” Those are the three little words that men find hard to say.

In climate science, the three little words that climate scientists find hard to say, the three little words they need to practice over and over are “We don’t know”.

We don’t know what the climate will be like in a hundred years. We don’t know what the climate sensitivity is, or even if the concept of a linear climate sensitivity relating temperature and forcing is a valid concept. We don’t know if the earth will start to warm or start to cool after the end of this current 15-year period of neither warming nor cooling. We don’t know if a rise in temperature will be a net gain or a net loss for the planet. There are heaps of things we don’t know about the climate, and the general public knows that we don’t know them.

Climate science is a new science, one of the newest. We have only been studying climate extensively for a quarter century or so, and it is an incredibly difficult field of study. The climate is a hugely complex, driven, chaotic, resonant, constructal, terawatt-scale planetary heat engine. It contains five major subsystems (atmosphere, hydrosphere, biosphere, lithosphere, and cryosphere), none of which are well understood. Each of these subsystems has a host of forcings, resonances, inter-reservoir transfers, cycles, and feedbacks which operate both internally and between the subsystems. The climate has important processes which operate on spatial scales from atomic to planet-wide, and on temporal scales from nanoseconds to millions of years. Our present state of knowledge of that system contains more unknowns than knowns. Here is my own estimation of the current state of our climate knowledge, which some of you may have seen:

In this situation, the only honest thing a climate scientist can do is to do the best, clearest, and cleanest science possible; to be totally transparent and reveal all data and codes and methods; to insist that other climate scientists practice those same simple scientific principles; and to say “we don’t know” rather than “might possibly have a probabilistic chance of maybe happening” for all the rest. That is the only path to repairing the lost trust between the public and climate science.

Oh, yeah, and one more thing … apply those principles to scientific editorials as well. Don’t exaggerate, and provide some citations for scientific editorials, trying to trace these vague claims is both boring and frustrating …

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Joe
May 22, 2010 5:57 am

Willis,
The science we currently use is so tainted with inaccuracies and theories that actual physical evidence is seen as a theory.
On a couple of occasions now, I have been approached to open a possible web school on planetary mechanics as the further advanced I go, the more out of sequence I am with the rest of the science community.
True planetary science is encompassing ALL areas, and finding the interacting qualities that make this planet a very complex system.
Terms: center of balance and gravity are thoughly understood. Not just a generic mass excuse, when mass has no energy unless other forces are included.

May 22, 2010 6:13 am

Willis,
I’m all for accuracy in these matters. It’s true that Inhofe didn’t exactly “call 17 prominent climate scientists criminals”, although his spokesperson came close to that language when
“We are not saying that there are 17 scientists we should be calling criminals,” said Matt Dempsey, a spokesman for Inhofe. “I’m not putting a number on 17.”.
But thinking of accuracy, your quote from the UK Committee doesn’t help – it only mentions possible FOI breach by UEA.
So let’s apply your spirit of enquiry to some of your claims:
“James Hansen of NASA wanted trials for climate skeptics, accusing them of high crimes against humanity.”
No he didn’t (and your link is wrong). He said:
” Instead of moving heavily into renewable energies, fossil companies choose to spread doubt about global warming, as tobacco companies discredited the smoking-cancer link. Methods are sophisticated, including disguised funding to shape school textbook discussions.
CEOs of fossil energy companies know what they are doing and are aware of long-term consequences of continued business as usual. In my opinion, these CEOs should be tried for high crimes against humanity and nature.”

……
“Robert Kennedy Jr. called climate skeptics traitors .”
No, he said:
“”These villainous companies that consistently put their private financial interest ahead of American interest and ahead of the interest of all of humanity. This is treason. And we need to start treating them as traitors.””
“Joe Romm said that skeptics would be strangled in their beds.”
Joe Romm said no such thing. A commenter at his blog said said:
“an entire generation that will soon be ready to strangle you and your kind while you sleep in your beds.”
Romm removed the comment.
“A blogger at TPM pondered when it would be acceptable to execute climate deniers .”
No, your link doesn’t say that. The “blogger” seems to be a commenter, but no actual quote about execution is supplied. But suggestions for severe punishment of scientists are frequent in blog comments. Here just yesterday, on a normally civilised blog:
“I cannot be conciliatory to Mann. I would hang him high, in the tradition of the Old West.”
“Heidi Cullen of The Weather Channel called for skeptical forecasters to be decertified.”
No, she said
“If a meteorologist can’t speak to the fundamental science of climate change, then maybe the AMS shouldn’t give them a Seal of Approval.”
The American Meteorological Society is under no obligation to give a Seal of Approval to views that it disagrees with, and there’s no certification issue.

Bill
May 22, 2010 6:19 am

Phil Clarke:
Monckton called for Mann to be prosecuted for fraud, not for voicing is opinions. And it was fraud: he knew at the time he published his results that it was inappropriate and misleading to include the pine trees from Calif. because the increase in growth rate was from CO2, not from heat.

RockyRoad
May 22, 2010 6:24 am

Ponder this tidbit when considering the planetary impact on climate: Earth is supersonic at the equator. Say what? Rotating once every 24 hours with a circumference of 24,901 miles gives a rotational velocity just over 1,000 mph. Sure, it doesn’t seem like the earth is traveling anywhere near that fast when standing there (and I’m bending the definition of “supersonic” for emphasis), but perception is quite often very different from undeniable fact.
Also consider that just a quarter of the planet away (at each pole) the earth’s orbital velocity is essentially zero. No wonder earth’s predominant fluid and gas are in motion.

janama
May 22, 2010 6:26 am

I was most impressed with a leading British Vulcanologist who was asked by a radio listener how much CO2 the Iceland volcano was emitting. He replied – we don’t know.

Steve in SC
May 22, 2010 6:34 am

Stop larding “scientific” papers with pounds of “might” and “could” and “may” and “possibly” and “conceivably”, we don’t care about your speculations, we want your science. Stop underestimating the errors and overestimating the certainty. Stop making up the “scary scenarios” advocated by Stephen Schneider. Stop calling for trials for people who don’t follow the party line.
That would be good advice for the media. Sadly, they will not take it for it is not in their political template.

Tom in Florida
May 22, 2010 6:35 am

JB says: (May 22, 2010 at 3:05 am)
“All the trends are down, ice ext, area, volume and now the daily extent observations that others were using to claim sea ice was “recovering” to the avg levels, has fallen below 1979-2006 avg (Arctic Roos) and the 2007 levels according to NSIDC?”
I am sick and tired of references to the “1979 – 2000 (or whatever 2000 year you want to pick)” as if that period was the absolute average of what arctic sea ice levels should always be. These are simply arbitrary base lines used for comparisons against themselves. They are not “normal” or “average” for anything other than the base line period itself. Hell, I have lived longer than any of those base lines and am sure there are many folks older than I that are still around. Or perhaps everyone who existed prior to 1979 should go to the Carousel and be “renewed”.

DoctorJJ
May 22, 2010 6:59 am

“we know from archaeological and historical records that an unstable climate has disrupted societies.”
Wait a minute, I thought climate has been absolutley stable and unchanging until we humans mucked it up starting in the 20th century??? Those Anasazi and their damned Hummers….

Dr. John M. Ware
May 22, 2010 7:01 am

Someone needs to spike, once and for all, the idea that scientific (or other) truth depends upon consensus. It depends upon one person being right and being able to prove it, either with incontrovertible evidence, or with a repeatable and verifiable experiment. There are numberless times in history when the consensus has been wrong. There are also times when yesterday’s science has been proven incorrect, or incomplete, or inadequately understood. Let the scientists get the evidence, and let them present it in such a way that any other person competent in the field can check it or can reliably replicate the steps that produced it. That is what science is supposed to do. Only after the evidence is in and the science be seen objectively to be true and reliable should any government consider steps that potentially endanger economies, livelihoods, the environment, or any other factors in our lives.
Thanks, Willis, for your excellent writing and understanding.

geo
May 22, 2010 7:03 am

Nick Stokes–
Re Hansen and RK, Jr on show trials –surely that’s a pretty uninteresting distinction you’re making there? Having set that precedent as an appropriate penalty for some skeptics (and by the way, both men have clearly prejudged the appropriate verdict of the “court” in their text), is it really reasonable to think it will stop there? All of those kind of movements to extremism against minorities start with the most popularly sympathetic cases as exemplars of why it is appropriate. If they meet with success, how many *stop* there?
I don’t know who at what blog called for Mann to be “hung high” ala Old West. Was he an elected representative like RK, Jr? Or an official high in the councils of our government on this issue like Hansen? Or just “random dude on the internet”? Surely it makes a difference in the intimidation factor received by others the actual ability of the speaker to deliver, or contribute towards delivering, on the threat?
And make no mistake –those kinds of statements are all about wide-spread intimidation of fellow travelers of the supposed target named specifically. I don’t condone “random dude on the internet”, but I am genuinely outraged when our elected representatives and/or so-called “public servants” engage in it.

Steve Keohane
May 22, 2010 7:03 am

Thanks again Willis for another great article. It is difficult to imagine how clueless Brooks Hanson and those of his ilk are.

RockyRoad
May 22, 2010 7:03 am

Nick Stokes says:
May 22, 2010 at 6:13 am
Willis,
I’m all for accuracy in these matters.
—————–Reply:
Granted there is vitriol on both sides, but which side matters? The climate realists that are criticizing the abuse of science, or the “climate scientists” that distort and wonk policy?
Which of these has caused foodstuff shortages as countries rush hell-bent on producing biofuels while people starve? Which ones?
And as a consequence of their actions based on falacy, which ones are guilty of genocide?
So take your polemic nuances and stuff it. What we’re talking about is serious as a heart attack.

Gail Combs
May 22, 2010 7:07 am

Willis, as usual a very clearly and well written piece, would there were a thousand more like you. (Piano and cartooning too Geeshh)
With this editorial of Science Magazine, the editors have made their stand very clear. They will knowingly publish flat out lies. For a supposed “peer-reviewed” NEUTRAL science magazine this should spell their death knell. Now everyone knows Senator Inhofe was correct.
“..On several occasions they appear to discuss subverting the scientific peer review process to ensure that skeptical papers had no access to publication…”
Science Magazine has just proved that “the scientific peer review process has been subverted”.
Thanks for the rock solid proof Science Magazine. I will be sending this article to all my Congress critters with a copy of the relevant e-mails and other information. I will be asking WHAT is being done about the misuse of public funds too.
I suggest the rest of the US citizens here do the same.

David Ball
May 22, 2010 7:11 am

Phil Clarke says:
May 22, 2010 at 4:39 am
http://www.desmogblog.com/tim-ball-your-source-lies-slander-and-misleading-climate-science
Read this and KNOW that it is NOT true. This is how the CAGW side has to conduct itself. Ask yourself why they might be so afraid of this man that they have to trash him so badly. A Doctor of Science in climatology (retired) whose study of the records kept at Hudson’s Bay are very important because they clearly indicate that the assertions of “unprecedented” weather changes are wrong. IOW, they ignore evidence that does not support their assertions. How “scientific is that Phil Clarke. Nice. (SNIP)!!!!!!
REPLY: Someday we should all show up at Hoggan’s office with protest signs and cream pies. 😉 – Anthony

May 22, 2010 7:12 am

Phil Clarke: May 22, 2010 at 4:39 am
Ah yes – however it has been removed and this posted:
‘Well, we’ve taken down that post from our website. It’s very easy to misconstrue that line, take it out of context and suggest it means something wholly different from the practice of peaceful civil disobedience, which is what the post was about. ”
Looks like he was right there. I am not sure that representing a disowned and deleted blog post as an official Greenpeace statement advances the argument very far.
The blog post was deleted, but not disowned — Greenpeace *defended* the post using the laughable argument that a call for “direct action” referred to peaceful civil disobedience, which is a crock. The phrase “direct action” is LeftSpeak for “violent confrontation” — ask any cop in Europe about Action Directe. Ask any Chicago cop how “peaceful” the SCLC’s Coordinated Direct Action was. Ask any cop in New York, Philadelphia, Seattle, Washington DC, or Los Angeles about how “non-violent” the Direct Action Network members at their protests.

Ken Harvey
May 22, 2010 7:19 am

No wonder that our penguin flocks are diminishing. We have been raided by those white bear things from up north and they are partying on them!

May 22, 2010 7:23 am

Willis Eschenbach – you are a gem – a jewel in the crown of common sense. I salute you, sir!
You know, also how to write good clear English.
Thank you for your outlook on a stressed and stressing subject.

toby
May 22, 2010 7:25 am

Rush Limbaugh, comparing environmentalists to jihadis:
“The environmentalist wackos are the same way. This guy from The New York Times, if he really thinks that humanity is destroying the planet, humanity is destroying the climate, that human beings in their natural existence are going to cause the extinction of life on Earth — Andrew Revkin. Mr. Revkin, why don’t you just go kill yourself and help the planet by dying?”

Phil Clarke
May 22, 2010 7:27 am

Monckton called for Mann to be prosecuted for fraud, not for voicing is opinions.
He stated Mann et al are guilty of genocide. If you have hard evidence of fraud you should present it to Penn State U. [or just post it here]. His scientific conduct has, of course, been investigated and no evidence of any wrongdoing whatsoever has been found.

toby
May 22, 2010 7:27 am

Personally, I condemn both sides for unhelpful and over-the-top comments in this debate. I wish both would just stop whining and start sharing information.
Surely, Professor Denning is the person to start with. Did nobody at the Chicago Conference agree to meet with him & at least review some data or set up a joint study?

jcrabb
May 22, 2010 7:28 am

@pettyfog
Did you notice that Willis mentioned Arctic sea ice was returning to normal, which clearly is not the case.

P. Wayne Townsend
May 22, 2010 7:38 am

The UN IPCC did underestimate the rate of climate change. It’s reversing much quicker than they state.

HANDSOMEINMN
May 22, 2010 7:47 am

Nothing like a handfull of Newcastles on a cold day. Those bears have class!!

Pete Hayes
May 22, 2010 7:47 am

Finally got time to read the post Willis.
Back to the bear picture though….the one (laid down) watching the video has some mighty impressive gonads! 😉

1DandyTroll
May 22, 2010 7:50 am

Grrr, both Science and Nature have become nothing else then mere propaganda outlets for the green far left.