People send me stuff. Alan Siddons writes in an email:
Researching for a paper that Martin Hertzberg, Hans Schreuder and I are writing, I chanced upon a chart that might intrigue or amuse you.
After temperature sensors were planted on the moon, you see, they reported an upward trend year after year. Too much CO2 up there?
Source: http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/docs/2650.pdf
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Interesting find Alan.
Of course this is old data. Apollo 15 landed in summer 1971, so this graph extends to summer 1975. Curious though, what could be the cause? Solar? Sensor Drift? LEM and remnants providing a local energy absorbing MHI of some sorts? Disturbed soil making an albedo change? Or maybe it was the SUV they abandoned on the moon? We’ll probably never know for sure.
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But there’s other extraterrestrial places that have hints of warming as well.
The Blog Prof writes:
Apparently, man-made global warming has gotten so out of hand because of SUVs and coal-chugging global warming skeptics that even the biggest planet in our solar system – Jupiter – is being affected by our addiction to carbon pollution. And that follows the other solar effects of our dependence on fossil fuels, including Mars losing its polar ice cap (what will Martian polar bears do now?), Neptune changing its reflectivity, Neptune’s moon Triton increasing in temperature by a whopping 5% due to the American energy-intensive lifestyle, and Pluto’s atmospheric pressure tripling due to higher temperatures because of Bushitler. From Yahoo! News via American Thinker: Jupiter Has Lost a Cloud Stripe, New Photos Reveal
This story was updated at 8:10 a.m. ET. A giant cloud belt in the southern half of Jupiter has apparently disappeared according to new photos of the planet taken by amateur astronomers.
The new Jupiter photos, taken May 9 by Australian astronomer Anthony Wesley, reveal that the huge reddish band of clouds that make up the planet’s Southern Equatorial Belt has faded from view.
Here’s the relevant pic:
Jupiter’s trademark Great Red Spot, a massive storm that could fit two Earths inside, is typically found along the edges of the planet’s Southern Equatorial Belt (SEB). When the southern cloud belt fades from view, the Great Red Spot stands out along with Jupiter’s Northern Equatorial Belt of clouds in telescope views.
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Change is in the air (or in space if you prefer).
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Interesting period for the sun with huge solar flares and two huge sunspots.
Since the moon is not as protected as the planet, any flare coming close would increase temperatures.
Too bad we do not have any good representations of temperatures outside of our atmosphere for periods of time to coincide with this planets temps.
I am not a great chart reader but are we looking at an increase of 1 or 2 K? If so, what’s the big deal?
Do not any of you read the documents????????
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/1353.pdf
Conclusions: The increase in the length of the
summer day, the summer maximum surface temperature,
and the pre-sunrise surface temperature at the
Apollo 15 site all seem to be consistent with the hypothesis
that the change in solar incident angle associated
with the precession increased the overall heat input to
the lunar regolith. In further testing the hypothesis, it
is imperative that we find the missing 1975 data and
fully restore the data with 7.2-minute intervals.
\harry
barry says:
May 16, 2010 at 4:49 am
“It would be great to see planetary climatic time series matched up with the solar cycle. Unfortunately, the extraterrestrial climate changes have been observed over very short periods…”
Barry, we have one source on long time influence….food for thaught;
http://www.phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/Ice-ages/GSAToday.pdf
@Barry
– One quick thing with regard to Uranus – IIRC unlike all of the other large solar system bodies, it rotates at a sidelong angle relative to the plane of the Solar System. I wonder how this affects its climate relative to other planets?
timetochooseagain says:
May 16, 2010 at 3:28 am
“It’s gotta be something other than the sun:
Sunspot number was going down over that short period, so solar irradiance was probably declining, too.”
So what happens at solar minimum when there are no susnspots, ice ball?
The solar wind velocity would have been up. The hotter months here in 1975 were April, and July/August, how about looking at the detail rather than a whole year.
Orbital Variation! Happens all the time. Nothing to see! Keep moving!
So they can also claim our increase in CO2 causes the sun to give off more heat.
Tom in Florida says:
May 16, 2010 at 5:05 am
I am not a great chart reader but are we looking at an increase of 1 or 2 K? If so, what’s the big deal?
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Because that is exactly the level of change that is going to cause the end of the world (or so we are told).
Well, sure. You’ve heard of Copernicus—the Renaissance astronomer who was the first to formulate heliocentric cosmology, which displaced the Earth from the center of the universe.
Well, his ideas don’t apply to global warming. Apparently the Earth is the center. Think about it; we’ve come full circle. Spatial relationships notwithstanding, we can all relax knowing that Earth is the center of robust galactic global warming. I’m wondering how far out does this effect go in parsecs. Certainly it must extend way, way beyond our Solar System.
The imagination is a powerful thing. 🙂
A C Osborn says:
May 16, 2010 at 3:43 am
I wonder how Leif will explain this, probably by saying it is C**p and can’t be anything to do with the sun.
The record is only four years long so could be anything. “Weather is not climate”. I wonder if there is more data past the four years…
Where is the Stenvenson screen on the moon picture? Where is it… I don’t see it.
The temperature sensors on the moon would have electronic components which are known to drift in value over time. They would need to be calibrated regularly using mercury thermometers. How often was that done?
Geez, I didn’t realize that all the fossil fuel burning smoke had drifted clear out to Jupiter.
Now that is clearly worse than previously imagined, and I cannot imagine how our smoke reached escape velocity.
It’s raining in Seattle and in Syndey…they must be getting rain from the same storm system…
Of course the sun influences Earth’s climate…as do GCR’s, but they are not the only influence and in no way negate effects by human activities. Also of course, all the other planets in the solar system have their own specifc brand of Milankovitch cycle.
I always find this kind of “Mars is warming” argument to be amusing in a pathetic kind of way…
But it’s *rotten* heat…
To Larry Fields,
I believe this probe is not measuring atmospheric temperature, but the temperature at various soil depths. From that they can calculate thermal conductivity and heat capacity assuming radiative heat transfer to and from the surface follows the Stephan-Boltzmann equation for a black body. The increase in temperature could just be the result of the soil compressing thus increasing thermal conductivity.
It is a real shame that we have all of the satellite data from all of the other planets, and that they are undergoing climate changes from being on the same, or opposite side of the sun from the galactic center.
If some one tries to apply for a grant to study the effects of the interactions of the Earth with the moon and other planets, on the weather and climate, there is no way in hell they are going to seriously considered let alone approved.
But it appears that the best handle we have on the climate changes we see in all of the planets we monitor are a result of the orbital dynamics and interactions between them, the same as the Earth.
I have a web site that researches these aspects, at no cost to the tax payer, since the Monday of Earth week it has been repeatably cyber attacked and is currently being moved to a more secure server, It should be back on line shortly.
Next time a warmist talks to me about ‘climate change’ I will send them this post from WUWT and explain that indeed the climate changes on Earth and other planet.
It would be interesting to know what did cause the Moon’s warming between 1971-1975.
It’s that missing heat they were complaining about in the Climategate emails. If it’s not being trapped by CO2, it has to go somewhere. We’re emitting IR, they’re absorbing it. Will model for proof and say.. $30m? Even if we cut our emissions, they’ll still re-radiate in a great solar system bakeoff until equilibrium is resumed. Open to bids on what that equilibrium temperature should be. Al? Al? You in on this one?
barry says:
May 16, 2010 at 4:49 am
“Apparently Uranus cooled between 1983 and 1998, at a time when the earth
was warming up. [snip link – relevant?] How could this be?”
Over that period, Uranus was moving away from the Sun at over 9 million
miles per year.
Space dust. Blocks the solar rays. Giant inter-galactic vacuum cleaner is pulling away all the space dust, a tiny bit at a time.
That “moon” temperature sensor is actually in a sound stage in Arizona where the entire moon landing was faked. Didn’t you know? So the increase is actually the Earth temp increase over the same period. 🙂
Typical Climate Scientist says: : “… the vast majority of scientits (was that a spelling error?) agree that Man is the cause.”
Yeah, you spelled ‘scientwits’ wrong.
Good stuff. Solar and gravitational changes affect our solar system’s planetary surfaces more than CO2 does. That’s a fact. The only thing is you can’t tax the sun or gravity.