Extraterrestrial Global Warming

People send me stuff. Alan Siddons writes in an email:

Researching for a paper that Martin Hertzberg, Hans Schreuder and I are writing, I chanced upon a chart that might intrigue or amuse you.

After temperature sensors were planted on the moon, you see, they reported an upward trend year after year. Too much CO2 up there?

Source: http://www.diviner.ucla.edu/docs/2650.pdf

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Interesting find Alan.

Of course this is old data. Apollo 15 landed in summer 1971, so this graph extends to summer 1975. Curious though, what could be the cause? Solar? Sensor Drift? LEM and remnants providing a local energy absorbing MHI of some sorts? Disturbed soil making an albedo change? Or maybe it was the SUV they abandoned on the moon? We’ll probably never know for sure.

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But there’s other extraterrestrial places that have hints of warming as well.

The Blog Prof writes:

Apparently, man-made global warming has gotten so out of hand because of SUVs and coal-chugging global warming skeptics that even the biggest planet in our solar system – Jupiter – is being affected by our addiction to carbon pollution. And that follows the other solar effects of our dependence on fossil fuels, including Mars losing its polar ice cap (what will Martian polar bears do now?), Neptune changing its reflectivity, Neptune’s moon Triton increasing in temperature by a whopping 5% due to the American energy-intensive lifestyle, and Pluto’s atmospheric pressure tripling due to higher temperatures because of Bushitler. From Yahoo! News via American Thinker: Jupiter Has Lost a Cloud Stripe, New Photos Reveal

This story was updated at 8:10 a.m. ET. A giant cloud belt in the southern half of Jupiter has apparently disappeared according to new photos of the planet taken by amateur astronomers.

The new Jupiter photos, taken May 9 by Australian astronomer Anthony Wesley, reveal that the huge reddish band of clouds that make up the planet’s Southern Equatorial Belt has faded from view.

Here’s the relevant pic:

Jupiter’s trademark Great Red Spot, a massive storm that could fit two Earths inside, is typically found along the edges of the planet’s Southern Equatorial Belt (SEB).  When the southern cloud belt fades from view, the Great Red Spot stands out along with Jupiter’s Northern Equatorial Belt of clouds in telescope views.

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Change is in the air (or in space if you prefer).

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Alvin

Obviously, Bush’s fault 😉

Amino Acids in Meteorites

Sorry Triton, I know it’s because I eat cheeseburgers; all those cows.

Richard111

Eeoww! If it turns out the sun changes those belts….

wayne

But, but, but… Solar Irradiation is totally static and never changes except the 11-year teeny tiny bump, the satellites say so, absolutely invariant. Now how can all of these hevenly bodies get warmer when the sun never changes? Believe me, some climatologist will take a grant to explain how and why. 🙁
Just ignore your eyes and common sense and trust their scientific peer-reviewed papers and drink if your that gullible.

Larry Fields

My basic question of the day: What does the putative ‘atmospheric temperature’ of the Moon at a specific location at a given time mean?
“The Moon has an atmosphere so tenuous as to be nearly vacuum, with a total mass of less than 10 metric tons.[73] The surface pressure of this small mass is around 3 × 10−15 atm (0.3 nPa); it varies with the lunar day. Its sources include outgassing and sputtering, the release of atoms from the bombardment of lunar soil by solar wind ions.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon#Atmosphere
With an atmosphere that thin, is it even possible to measure atmospheric temperature? Wouldn’t the IR ‘noise’ from the lunar surface–not to mention the sun–completely swamp any atmospheric temperature ‘signal’ that one attempted to read?

Arizona CJ

In all seriousness, that Apollo data might be very relevant; its timeframe covers the beginning of the claimed AGW upswing. That does make it look like the the causation is solar, with the Martian data as confirmation. Thanks for posting this!
There was an deeper subsurface temp sensor on the Apollo 17 ALSEP, 2.3 meters. according to http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/1353.pdf the same long-term warming was seen as on Apollo 15’s site. However, i can’t find the actual data. I also can’t seem to find how long the Apollo 17 data spanned.
There was a similar experiment in Apollo 16, but it failed due to a broken cable.
The siting was well away (several hundred feet) from the LEM for Apollo 15 and 17, so I can’t see that having much effect.
There is an 18 year cycle to the Moon’s orbit that is theorized to be one explanation, but if the Apollo 17 data covers a different timeslice, it should be possible to see if its temp rise profile matches what the 18 year cycle would theoretically produce.

Doug in Seattle

AGW theory is robust enough to encompass all warming events regardless of whether they are on earth.

DoctorJJ

It truly is worse than we thought. LOL!!

Mike McMillan

Jupiter’s southern belt has been fading for a while now. I think it finally disappeared while the planet was behind the sun (the night side). There are no polar bears on Mars, by the way. You’ve got them confused with penguins.
Any word on the runaway green house effect on Mars? Its CO2 percentage is about the same as on Venus. We have some temperature data for the planet, and I wonder if it might be useful as a “rural” station to help homogenize the average earth temperature, accounting for UHIP. We shall have to consult with Dr Hansen.
(For those of you with Google Earth, atop the page there’s a Saturn icon. If you click it, you can google Mars or the Moon.)

Richard

Hmm.. whats common about the heating systems of the Earth and the Moon. Could it possibly be the sun? Perish the thought. Some could be tempted to think if the Moon, without an atmosphere, were getting hotter, maybe the sun’s radiation was the cause. Could the moon’s temperature serve as a proxy for the the suns radiance? Could it be more accurate than tree rings?
But we all know that the warming on Earth has been caused by our cars and lawn mowers. How do we know? Al Gore, Hansen and Michael Mann tell us so.

mark

how much will it cost to save the moon ?

The Ghost Of Big Jim Cooley

OT – ‘grey literature’ is all okay to use in support of man-made global warming! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/7725266/Climate-body-chief-defends-use-of-grey-literature.html

Douglas Cohen

The decrease in Mar’s south polar cap may reflect a change in the planet’s climate, because it has continued over three Martian “summers”, but changes observed in the planets and moons further from the sun may be seasonal. These orbits of these bodies around the sun take a long time to repeat, a time longer than the time over which changes have been observed. One article on Jupiter’s band loss states, for example, that Jupiter seems to lose this band every ten or fifteen years, which very roughly matches the period of Jupiter’s orbit. (Jupiter takes about 12 years to go once around the sun)

Xi Chin

There is a faulty logic in presenting this info. Just because planet xyz has an increasing temperature, which is clearly not caused by human activities, does not mean that human activities do not cause temperature rises on planet Earth.
The extraterrestial info is a bit irrelevent since we alread know from the paleo record that the temperature of planet Earth can change without human influences. But that also suffers, because just because it did change without humans, does not mean that humans can’t change it.
It clear however, that there is very little, if any, evidence that humans have actually caused any detectable change to the climate. Yes, there are changes that have occurred coincidentally with the existence of industrialisation, but those changes cannot be attributed to industrialisation as opposed to “natural, internal forcings/fluctiations of a dynamic chaotic system” which would have occurred anyway.

UK Sceptic

Oh no! Europa’s melting! It’s all those nasty rocket exhaust gases put up their by NASA!

timetochooseagain

It’s gotta be something other than the sun:
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/sidc-ssn/from:1971/to:1975
Sunspot number was going down over that short period, so solar irradiance was probably declining, too. And remember that the moon has no atmosphere, or next to none, so the amount of radiation it receives pretty much determines the temperature.

Typical Climate Scientist

Look, it’s all TOTAL coincidence that all these other planets and moons are showing warming right now. After all… erm… the vast majority of scientits (was that a spelling error?) agree that Man is the cause. (Strike one: consensus.)
And these are some of the most respected scientists in the world. (Strike two: Authority.)
And… oh yes – without the Greenhouse Effect we’d be a ball of ice. (Strike three: Strawman.)
And…err… did I mention it’s a coincidence? I mean, just like it’s a coincidence that the coast lines of different continents seem to fit like a jigsaw puzzle! See?! Oh wait, scratch that last one… erm… BIG OIL!

A C Osborn

I wonder how Leif will explain this, probably by saying it is C**p and can’t be anything to do with the sun.

kwik

Oh, come on now! The astronauts has been driving around with their lunar vehicles up there for years by now. No wonder the temperature is rising!

Tony

OMG!
Proof Positive that it is all ‘our’ (= your) fault!
Global Warming via man’s polluting activities …. has causes such an increase in outgoing radiation that it is heating up the Moon ! And Heaven Knows what you have done to Jupiter, Mars, etc. with your mucky habits! Maybe even the Sun is affected!
Subtext; We ( aka You) are really really bad; Look! you have polluted the whole solar system! Wait ’til God gets home and finds out what you have done! Severe Punishment is in order; even death may not be sufficient!
PS; Shame Greenies don’t actually believe in God, or they would have a more benign safety valve for their misanthropism.

PJB

AGW = Anthropogenic Galactic Warming?

Rich

A.G.W What.A.Joke.

frederik wisse

Why was not this integrated in al gores movie ? His belief reminds me of the maya culture where ritual killing was performed in order to pacify the gods . Are we as humans so important that we are able to change the universe ? Probably in universal studios only .

barry

Apparently Uranus cooled between 1983 and 1998, at a time when the earth was warming up.
http://www.boulder.swri.edu/~layoung/eprint/ur149/Young2001Uranus.pdf
How could this be?
Amazing that we don’t yet know enough about Earth’s climate with all the data we have, but we can make positive announcements about climate change on planets and moons from scraps of information….
It would be great to see planetary climatic time series matched up with the solar cycle. Unfortunately, the extraterrestrial climate changes have been observed over very short periods, intermittently, and in some cases (like Mars) from only a fraction of the planet area. Still, it would at least approach something substantial to see if the extraterrestrial warming/cooling has been in sync (and whether or not it was actually global). A little bit of googling shows that the studies behind these generalised climate conclusions tend to emphasise internal climate dynamics rather than solar influence – which is not too surprising for celestial bodies further out than our own.

rms

Well, we know it’s not the sun causing the Earth’s moon and planets to heat up. We’ve been told there a consensus on that. We’ve also been told there also a consensus that the plant Earth is warming up do to AGW. Therefore, I’m waiting to be told that the only possible cause for heating on the planets and the Earth’s moon is the AGW on Earth. All now makes sense.

Joe

Interesting period for the sun with huge solar flares and two huge sunspots.
Since the moon is not as protected as the planet, any flare coming close would increase temperatures.
Too bad we do not have any good representations of temperatures outside of our atmosphere for periods of time to coincide with this planets temps.

Tom in Florida

I am not a great chart reader but are we looking at an increase of 1 or 2 K? If so, what’s the big deal?

Harry Lu

Do not any of you read the documents????????
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2010/pdf/1353.pdf
Conclusions: The increase in the length of the
summer day, the summer maximum surface temperature,
and the pre-sunrise surface temperature at the
Apollo 15 site all seem to be consistent with the hypothesis
that the change in solar incident angle associated
with the precession increased the overall heat input to
the lunar regolith. In further testing the hypothesis, it
is imperative that we find the missing 1975 data and
fully restore the data with 7.2-minute intervals.
\harry

kwik

barry says:
May 16, 2010 at 4:49 am
“It would be great to see planetary climatic time series matched up with the solar cycle. Unfortunately, the extraterrestrial climate changes have been observed over very short periods…”
Barry, we have one source on long time influence….food for thaught;
http://www.phys.huji.ac.il/~shaviv/Ice-ages/GSAToday.pdf

@Barry
– One quick thing with regard to Uranus – IIRC unlike all of the other large solar system bodies, it rotates at a sidelong angle relative to the plane of the Solar System. I wonder how this affects its climate relative to other planets?

Ulric Lyons

timetochooseagain says:
May 16, 2010 at 3:28 am
“It’s gotta be something other than the sun:
Sunspot number was going down over that short period, so solar irradiance was probably declining, too.”
So what happens at solar minimum when there are no susnspots, ice ball?
The solar wind velocity would have been up. The hotter months here in 1975 were April, and July/August, how about looking at the detail rather than a whole year.

Pascvaks

Orbital Variation! Happens all the time. Nothing to see! Keep moving!

Henry chance

So they can also claim our increase in CO2 causes the sun to give off more heat.

PJP

Tom in Florida says:
May 16, 2010 at 5:05 am
I am not a great chart reader but are we looking at an increase of 1 or 2 K? If so, what’s the big deal?
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Because that is exactly the level of change that is going to cause the end of the world (or so we are told).

RockyRoad

Well, sure. You’ve heard of Copernicus—the Renaissance astronomer who was the first to formulate heliocentric cosmology, which displaced the Earth from the center of the universe.
Well, his ideas don’t apply to global warming. Apparently the Earth is the center. Think about it; we’ve come full circle. Spatial relationships notwithstanding, we can all relax knowing that Earth is the center of robust galactic global warming. I’m wondering how far out does this effect go in parsecs. Certainly it must extend way, way beyond our Solar System.
The imagination is a powerful thing. 🙂

A C Osborn says:
May 16, 2010 at 3:43 am
I wonder how Leif will explain this, probably by saying it is C**p and can’t be anything to do with the sun.
The record is only four years long so could be anything. “Weather is not climate”. I wonder if there is more data past the four years…

Ray

Where is the Stenvenson screen on the moon picture? Where is it… I don’t see it.

jaymam

The temperature sensors on the moon would have electronic components which are known to drift in value over time. They would need to be calibrated regularly using mercury thermometers. How often was that done?

rbateman

Geez, I didn’t realize that all the fossil fuel burning smoke had drifted clear out to Jupiter.
Now that is clearly worse than previously imagined, and I cannot imagine how our smoke reached escape velocity.

R. Gates

It’s raining in Seattle and in Syndey…they must be getting rain from the same storm system…
Of course the sun influences Earth’s climate…as do GCR’s, but they are not the only influence and in no way negate effects by human activities. Also of course, all the other planets in the solar system have their own specifc brand of Milankovitch cycle.
I always find this kind of “Mars is warming” argument to be amusing in a pathetic kind of way…

But it’s *rotten* heat…

To Larry Fields,
I believe this probe is not measuring atmospheric temperature, but the temperature at various soil depths. From that they can calculate thermal conductivity and heat capacity assuming radiative heat transfer to and from the surface follows the Stephan-Boltzmann equation for a black body. The increase in temperature could just be the result of the soil compressing thus increasing thermal conductivity.

It is a real shame that we have all of the satellite data from all of the other planets, and that they are undergoing climate changes from being on the same, or opposite side of the sun from the galactic center.
If some one tries to apply for a grant to study the effects of the interactions of the Earth with the moon and other planets, on the weather and climate, there is no way in hell they are going to seriously considered let alone approved.
But it appears that the best handle we have on the climate changes we see in all of the planets we monitor are a result of the orbital dynamics and interactions between them, the same as the Earth.
I have a web site that researches these aspects, at no cost to the tax payer, since the Monday of Earth week it has been repeatably cyber attacked and is currently being moved to a more secure server, It should be back on line shortly.

Jimbo

Next time a warmist talks to me about ‘climate change’ I will send them this post from WUWT and explain that indeed the climate changes on Earth and other planet.
It would be interesting to know what did cause the Moon’s warming between 1971-1975.

Atomic Hairdryer

It’s that missing heat they were complaining about in the Climategate emails. If it’s not being trapped by CO2, it has to go somewhere. We’re emitting IR, they’re absorbing it. Will model for proof and say.. $30m? Even if we cut our emissions, they’ll still re-radiate in a great solar system bakeoff until equilibrium is resumed. Open to bids on what that equilibrium temperature should be. Al? Al? You in on this one?

Sleepalot

barry says:
May 16, 2010 at 4:49 am
“Apparently Uranus cooled between 1983 and 1998, at a time when the earth
was warming up. [snip link – relevant?] How could this be?”
Over that period, Uranus was moving away from the Sun at over 9 million
miles per year.

Space dust. Blocks the solar rays. Giant inter-galactic vacuum cleaner is pulling away all the space dust, a tiny bit at a time.

nanny_govt_sucks

That “moon” temperature sensor is actually in a sound stage in Arizona where the entire moon landing was faked. Didn’t you know? So the increase is actually the Earth temp increase over the same period. 🙂

jorgekafkazar

Typical Climate Scientist says: : “… the vast majority of scientits (was that a spelling error?) agree that Man is the cause.”
Yeah, you spelled ‘scientwits’ wrong.

Good stuff. Solar and gravitational changes affect our solar system’s planetary surfaces more than CO2 does. That’s a fact. The only thing is you can’t tax the sun or gravity.