Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I noted on the news that there is a new plan afoot to cool down the planet. This one supposedly has been given big money by none other than Bill Gates.

The plan involves a fleet of ships that supposedly look like this:

Figure 1. Artist’s conception of cloud-making ships. Of course, the first storm would flip this over immediately, but heck, it’s only a fantasy, so who cares? SOURCE

The web site claims that:

Bill Gates Announces Funding for Seawater-Spraying Cloud Machines

The machines, developed by a San Francisco-based research group called Silver Lining, turn seawater into tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air. The particles increase the density of clouds by increasing the amount of nuclei contained within. Silver Lining’s floating machines can suck up ten tons of water per second.

What could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant plan?

First, as usual the hype in this seems to have vastly outpaced the reality. According to CBS News Tech Talk:

The machines, developed by a San Francisco-based research group called Silver Lining, turn seawater into tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air. The particles increase the density of clouds by increasing the amount of nuclei contained within. Silver Lining’s floating machines can suck up ten tons of water per second. If all goes well, Silver Lining plans to test the process with 10 ships spread throughout 3800 square miles of ocean. Geoengineering, an umbrella phrase to describe techniques that would allow humans to prevent global warming by manipulating the Earth’s climate, has yet to result in any major projects.

However, this is just a quote from the same web site that showed the ship above. CBS Tech Talk goes on to say:

A PR representative from Edelman later sent me this note from Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution for Science: “Bill Gates made a grant to the University of Calgary to support research in possible unique solutions and responses to climate change. Administrating this research funding, David Keith of the University of Calgary and I made a grant to Armand Neukermanns for lab tests to investigate the technical feasibility of producing the fine seawater sprays required by the Latham cloud whitening proposal, one of many proposals for mitigating some of the adverse effects of climate change. This grant to Neukermanns is for lab tests only, not Silver Lining’s field trials.”

So Bill Gates isn’t funding the ships, and didn’t even decide to fund this particular fantasy, he just gave money to support research into “possible unique solutions”. Well, I’d say this one qualifies …

Next, after much searching I finally found the Silver Lining Project web site. It says on the home page:

The Silver Lining Project is a not-for-profit international scientific research collaboration to study the effects of particles (aerosols) on clouds, and the influence of these cloud effects on climate systems.

Well, that sure sounds impressive. Unfortunately, the web site is only four pages, and contains almost no information at all.

Intrigued, I emailed them at the address given on their web site, which is info(a)silverliningproj.org. I quickly got this reply:

Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:

info@silverliningproj.org

The recipient’s e-mail address was not found in the recipient’s e-mail system. Microsoft Exchange will not try to redeliver this message for you. Please check the e-mail address and try resending this message, or provide the following diagnostic text to your system administrator.

Hmmmm … not a good sign, four page web site, email address is dead … but onwards, ever onwards. Let’s look at a few numbers here.

First, over the tropical oceans, the rainfall is typically on the order of a couple of metres per year. Per the info above, they are going to test the plan with one ship for every 380 square miles. A square mile is about 2.6 square km, or 2.6 million square metres. Three hundred eighty square miles is about a thousand square km. Two metres of rainfall in that area is about two billion tonnes of water …

They say their ships will suck up “ten tonnes of water per second”. That’s about a third of a billion tonnes per year. So if they run full-time, they will increase the amount of water in the air by about 15% … which of course means 15% more rain. I don’t know how folks in rainy zones will feel about a 15% increase in their rainfall, but I foresee legalarity in the future …

Next, how much fuel will this use? The basic equation for pumps is:

Water flow (in liters per second) = 5.43 x pump power (kilowatts) / pressure (bars)

So to pump 10,000 litres per second (neglecting efficiency losses) with a pressure of 3 bars (100 psi) will require about 5,500 kilowatts. This means about 50 million kilowatt-hours per year. Figuring around 0.3 litres of fuel per kilowatt-hour (again without inefficiencies), this means that each ship will burn about fifteen million litres of fuel per year, so call it maybe twenty five million litres per year including all of the inefficiencies plus some fuel to actually move the ship around the ocean. All of these numbers are very generous, it will likely take more fuel than that. But we’ll use them.

Next, the money to do this … ho, ho, ho …

You can buy a used fire fighting ship for about fifteen million dollars,  but it will only pump about 0.8 tonnes/second. So a new ship to pump ten tonnes per second might cost on the order of say twenty million US dollars.

You’d need a crew of about twelve guys to run the ship 24/7. That’s three eight-hour shifts of four men per shift. On average they will likely cost about US$80,000 per year including food and benefits and miscellaneous, so that’s about a million per year.

Then we have fuel costs of say US$ 0.75 per litre, so there’s about ten million bucks per year there.

Another web site says:

A study commissioned by the Copenhagen Consensus Centre, a European think-tank, has estimated that a wind-powered fleet of 1,900 ships to cruise the world’s oceans, spraying sea water from towers to create and brighten clouds, could be built for $9 billion. The idea would be to operate most of the ships far offshore in the Pacific so they would not interfere with weather on land.

My numbers say $38 billion for the ships … and “wind-powered”? As a long time sailor, I can only say “get real” …

However, that’s just for the ships. Remember that we are talking about $11 million per ship for annual pumping fuel costs plus labour … which is an annual cost of another $20 billion dollars …

Finally, they say that they are going to test this using one ship per 380 square miles … and that they can blanket the world with 1,900 ships. That makes a total of around three quarters of a million square miles covered by the 1,900 ships.

The surface of the world ocean, however, is about 140 million square miles, so they will be covering about half a percent of the world ocean with the 1,900 ships. Half a percent. If that were all in the Pacific Ocean per the citation above, here’s how much it would cover:

Figure 2. Area covered by 1,900 cloud making ships.

Yeah, brightening that would make a huge difference, especially considering half of the time it wouldn’t even see the sun …

See, my problem is that I’m a practical guy, and I’ve spent a good chunk of my life working with machinery around the ocean. Which is why I don’t have a lot of time for “think-tanks” and “research groups”. Before I start a project, I do a back-of-the-envelope calculation to see if it makes sense.

My calculations show that this will cost forty billion dollars to start, and twenty billion per year to run, not counting things like ship maintenance and redundancy and emergencies and machinery replacement and insurance and a fleet of tankers to refuel the pump ships at sea and, and, and …

And for all of that, we may make a slight difference on half a percent of the ocean surface. Even if I’ve overestimated the costs by 100% (always possible, although things usually cost more than estimated rather than less), that’s a huge amount of money for a change too small to measure on a global scale.

Now Bill Gates is a smart guy. But on this one, I think he may have let his heart rule his head. One of the web sites quoted above closes by saying:

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation did not respond to requests for comment on Tuesday, nor did U.S. entrepreneur Kelly Wanser, who is leading the Silver Lining Project.

Smart move … what we have here is a non-viable non-solution to a non-problem. I wouldn’t want to comment either, especially since this non-solution will burn about 27 billion litres (about 7 billion US gallons) of fuel per year to supposedly “solve” the problem supposedly caused by CO2 from burning fuel …

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May 12, 2010 6:05 am

Nice analysis. As they say …. “Do the math …. “

TK
May 12, 2010 6:06 am

Cloud seeding has already been tried in some cases with disastrous results, massive snowstorms in China for one. It’s possible but incredibly dumb…so might as well laugh at the idea… http://www.scienceinseconds.com/video.php?vId=91&tId=

Pamela Gray
May 12, 2010 6:07 am

People don’t realize that these ideas go down in history in the patent office as hilarious examples of human silliness. I wonder if the sea pumping ship design HAS been sent to the patent office?

May 12, 2010 6:07 am

For $40 Billion I think it would make more sense to build transporters. I know, sounds like science fiction, but for that kind of cash, I think it could be done. Just beam goods and services around the planet. I think I could build a small demo system for about $1 Billion. Big enough to move a single person across an ocean. I have the bill of materials already:
2 large cardboard boxes, $12 million each
2 gallons green paint (it has to be green, that’s the default) $8 million
2 painting crews, one day each, $4 million
Safety inspection and certification, $96 million
Management fees, $899 million
Of course the leaves the test subject, who is going to want to be the first to try it given all the things that could go wrong? I think we could find someone though, and ad in newspapers like this ought to work:
One time job testing prototype transporter. $1 million. No experience with transporters required. Strong preference for persons with “pulling rabbit from hat” and “escape from padlocked trunk” experience. Must supply own identical twin.

JS
May 12, 2010 6:07 am

Your calc needs to update. You can’t spray water too high with 3 barg. It’s 30m water column.

Ian H
May 12, 2010 6:07 am

You could get the same effect at much less cost by just putting an additive (silver iodide?) into aviation fuel. Turn every international air flight into an efficient cloud seeding operation. No need to build a specialised fleet. Use one that already exists.

Brendan
May 12, 2010 6:08 am

So climate change is bad and their solution is to fix it by deploying a fleet of ships (a warmada perhaps?) to er, change the climate? They’ve really tied themselves in knots since they re-branded global warming as climate change.
My mental image of Bill Gates selling this reminds me of Montgomery Burns touting his Spruce Moose to Smithers – that thing could carry two hundred passengers from New York’s Idyllwild Airport to the Belgian Congo in seventeen minutes!

Editor
May 12, 2010 6:10 am

One good source of contact information is the whois protocol/database. However, a number of organizations prefer to keep their information private (domain name holders get a fair amount of spam), and DNS registrars will provide their own contact information. That appears to be the case here:
tux:wuwt> whois silverliningproj.org

Domain ID:D158696581-LROR
Domain Name:SILVERLININGPROJ.ORG
Created On:25-Mar-2010 21:43:13 UTC
Last Updated On:25-Mar-2010 21:43:31 UTC
Expiration Date:25-Mar-2011 21:43:13 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Domain-It!, Inc. (R157-LROR)
Status:CLIENT TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Status:TRANSFER PROHIBITED
Registrant ID:WOCH-R1269553409
Registrant Name:DomainIt Private Registration
Registrant Organization:Attn: silverliningproj.org
Registrant Street1:9891 Montgomery Road, #225
Registrant Street2:
Registrant Street3:
Registrant City:Cincinnati
Registrant State/Province:OH
Registrant Postal Code:45242
Registrant Country:US
Registrant Phone:+1.5133514222
Registrant Phone Ext.:
Registrant FAX:
Registrant FAX Ext.:
Registrant Email:ufxsesx5i4bn50jhum@hideyourwhois.com

Even the Snail mail address is for the registrar, see http://www.domainit.com/contact.mhtml
So, no info there. Proactively hiding the decline, I guess.

Theo
May 12, 2010 6:11 am

Isn’t water vapour a more effective “greenhouse gas” than CO2???

anna v
May 12, 2010 6:17 am

Willis, I have been bringing this project up since last year.
http://www.eta.co.uk/2009/08/07/cloud-making-ships-tackle-climate-change
I was all for it.
1) it does not use pumps. It has a
A rotor-powered ship replaces conventional sails with spinning rotors. It works because a spinning body in a moving airstream experiences a force perpendicular to the direction of the airstream. In the case of the Dr Slater’s design, propeller-like turbines in the water beneath the ship power both the spinning rotors and the droplet-generator.
2) It would use solar energy for the rest, and will be robotic on a grid.
3) It is nondestructive non permanent and thus a nice toy to give geo engineering people to play with until the world realizes that there is no problem to solve. It can be stopped on a penny.
One need not increase rain by 15%. A 1% change in albedo drops the temperature appreciably.
more:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article4648680.ece
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/news/35693

May 12, 2010 6:20 am

How many such ships per square kilometer would it take to start a tropical storm? On the other hand, I would rather not pay someone so I could be cooled by a tropical storm.

Editor
May 12, 2010 6:24 am

wesley bruce says:
May 12, 2010 at 4:00 am

Sorry Willis you missed a key point the ships are solar and wind powered and so no is fuel is required. I studied renewable energy based ships. They can generate this level of power per day but don’t move far or fast in the process.

“This level of power per day.” Power is typically watts, watts per day is fairly meaningless.
The power isn’t needed for locomotion, it’s needed to “suck up ten tons of water per second.” Willis says that’s 5.5 Mw. Given the salt particles need to get up to cloud level, I think his 100 psi pressure may be woefully inadequate, let’s just call it conservative.
Are those towers wind turbines? Why doesn’t the drawing show solar collectors of whatever sort work with cloud makers?
Please expand on what it takes to for a renewable energy based platform to produce 5.5 Mw for a substantial portion of every day.

May 12, 2010 6:26 am

“…turn seawater into tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air.”
This requires a bit more pressure than 3 bars…

Henry chance
May 12, 2010 6:28 am

The natural method is far superior. A thunderstorm only gets started at 3,000 feet altitude and hits over 40,000 ft. A thunderstorm is distilled water and has no salt. Tell Gates we don’t want acid rain or salt rain. The power of the thunderstorm in my county yesterday has more water and power than all the boats his 60 billion dollar$$$ could buy. It will happen again today.

May 12, 2010 6:28 am

You ever wonder why no one contributes to research regarding new nuclear power plant designs? Or even how conventional nuclear power plants be made cheaper and better. My guess would be the payoff for that research would be far more worthwhile than all these stupid studies of stupid ideas.

Gail Combs
May 12, 2010 6:33 am

wesley bruce says:
May 12, 2010 at 4:00 am
“Sorry Willis you missed a key point the ships are solar and wind powered and so no is fuel is required. I studied renewable energy based ships. They can generate this level of power per day but don’t move far or fast in the process….”
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Willis , I hope they really do make these ships ” solar and wind powered” with no diesel engine back-ups. Think of all the wide eyed idealists who would sign up to sail these ships and the large dose of reality they will receive. English impressment gangs and “shanghiad” come to mind.

OkieSkeptic
May 12, 2010 6:33 am

I suspect that what they are after here is putting very small salt particles in the atmosphere (after the ocean water evaporates upon being blown skyward) to act as condensation nuclei for cloud formation since they would need cloud cover for sunlight reflection and not rain. Don’t know how efficient or effective this would be as I could find no studies in this area. However with salt particles, cloud droplet formation can apparently occur as low as 75% humidity because it is hygroscopic.

Diesel
May 12, 2010 6:34 am

Yes, combat global warming, supposedly caused by greenhouse gases, by pumping the most dominant greenhouse gas into the atmosphere. These theories all make sense.
Of course, global warming would increase if we sucked water vapor out of the atmosphere. In other words everyone, it’s a lose-lose situation. It’s going to warm up no matter what we do.

R. de Haan
May 12, 2010 6:37 am

Thanks Willis for presenting this fantasy project for the joke it really is.
It it proofs anything besides the incredibly mad ideas that come from some of our universities today, it’s the price of creating “Green Jobs”!
It’s simply not going to happen.

Bill Thomson
May 12, 2010 6:38 am

Interesting post. However I think you greatly underestimated the power required to run the pump. It requires a minimum of 1300 PSI or 90 Bar to raise a column of water to 3000 ft, ignoring losses fue to friction. This multiplies the energy required and fuel cost and polution by a factor of 30!

Tony
May 12, 2010 6:40 am

Why not build Nuclear power stations on the coasts instead? The cooling towers will boil the oceans and provide the clouds, and we get to use the waste -product ( aka electricity) to power our PCs !
Global Cooling, plus Recycling for fun and profit!
Do you think Gates would buy this one ?

Jim Clarke
May 12, 2010 6:40 am

Atomic Hairdryer
May 12, 2010 at 3:31 am
Count me in on your ‘non-profit’ idea. I have been an AGW crisis skeptic for almost 20 years now (after discovering that the science was lame and the arguments were emotional), but have yet to collect a dime from ‘Big Oil’ or any right wing think tanks. Frankly, I am pretty strapped and could use a bit of that Bill Gates largess.
The ideas that are getting funded are so stupid that I am sure we could come up with something a little better. Of course, we would have to do it on the condition that our propositions never actually get implemented. Humans can cause changes to the environment unintentionally, but it is when they deliberately try to ‘fix’ the environment that they can really screw things up! (see the history of Yellowstone National Park).

John Innes
May 12, 2010 6:46 am

Didn’t the Romans do a pilot project to study the effect of distributing salt across the landscape? Carthage was the test site, if I recall correctly.

May 12, 2010 6:46 am

A lot more than that, Willis. You’ve not only got to move this water, but LIFT it.
To propel 10,000kg of “tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air” (let’s say to 1000 metres) requires energy as follows:
Energy = force x distance = mass x gravitational acceleration x distance
= 10,000 (kg) x 9.81 (m.s^-2) x 1000 (m)
= 98,100,000 joules, say 100,000,000 joules.
So to propel 10,000 kg of seawater per second to that height, with no losses, by any method of propulsion you care to choose, would require a minimum of 100 megawatts of power. Add in all the inefficiencies, air resistance, atomization and the rest, and I doubt you’d get away with less than 500 megawatts per ship. That’s of the order of 100 times what you calculated.
So, if your subsequent calculations are correct, that’s 15 million x 100 = 1.5 billion litres of fuel per year, per ship. If using oil distillates, that would require the output of well over 10 million barrels of oil per ship, per year. Let’s say around 1 billion dollars of fuel per year, per ship. Or, for a fleet of 1,900 ships, around 2 trillion dollars-worth of fuel per year, and consuming approximately the world’s total annual production of oil. Methinks that might produce a few ‘greenhouse gasses’.
It doesn’t matter whether we are a bit out in the estimates, when you look at these numbers, it is obvious that anyone who is trying to get investors to part with their money to support such a scheme is a complete charlatan.

Tilo Reber
May 12, 2010 6:46 am

We woke up to a blanket of fresh snow in the Denver area today. We are getting snow 8 month a year. I wish that we would get this global warming problem fixed so that we could get snow 10 month a year.