Every Silver Lining Has A Cloud

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

I noted on the news that there is a new plan afoot to cool down the planet. This one supposedly has been given big money by none other than Bill Gates.

The plan involves a fleet of ships that supposedly look like this:

Figure 1. Artist’s conception of cloud-making ships. Of course, the first storm would flip this over immediately, but heck, it’s only a fantasy, so who cares? SOURCE

The web site claims that:

Bill Gates Announces Funding for Seawater-Spraying Cloud Machines

The machines, developed by a San Francisco-based research group called Silver Lining, turn seawater into tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air. The particles increase the density of clouds by increasing the amount of nuclei contained within. Silver Lining’s floating machines can suck up ten tons of water per second.

What could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant plan?

First, as usual the hype in this seems to have vastly outpaced the reality. According to CBS News Tech Talk:

The machines, developed by a San Francisco-based research group called Silver Lining, turn seawater into tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air. The particles increase the density of clouds by increasing the amount of nuclei contained within. Silver Lining’s floating machines can suck up ten tons of water per second. If all goes well, Silver Lining plans to test the process with 10 ships spread throughout 3800 square miles of ocean. Geoengineering, an umbrella phrase to describe techniques that would allow humans to prevent global warming by manipulating the Earth’s climate, has yet to result in any major projects.

However, this is just a quote from the same web site that showed the ship above. CBS Tech Talk goes on to say:

A PR representative from Edelman later sent me this note from Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution for Science: “Bill Gates made a grant to the University of Calgary to support research in possible unique solutions and responses to climate change. Administrating this research funding, David Keith of the University of Calgary and I made a grant to Armand Neukermanns for lab tests to investigate the technical feasibility of producing the fine seawater sprays required by the Latham cloud whitening proposal, one of many proposals for mitigating some of the adverse effects of climate change. This grant to Neukermanns is for lab tests only, not Silver Lining’s field trials.”

So Bill Gates isn’t funding the ships, and didn’t even decide to fund this particular fantasy, he just gave money to support research into “possible unique solutions”. Well, I’d say this one qualifies …

Next, after much searching I finally found the Silver Lining Project web site. It says on the home page:

The Silver Lining Project is a not-for-profit international scientific research collaboration to study the effects of particles (aerosols) on clouds, and the influence of these cloud effects on climate systems.

Well, that sure sounds impressive. Unfortunately, the web site is only four pages, and contains almost no information at all.

Intrigued, I emailed them at the address given on their web site, which is info(a)silverliningproj.org. I quickly got this reply:

Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:

info@silverliningproj.org

The recipient’s e-mail address was not found in the recipient’s e-mail system. Microsoft Exchange will not try to redeliver this message for you. Please check the e-mail address and try resending this message, or provide the following diagnostic text to your system administrator.

Hmmmm … not a good sign, four page web site, email address is dead … but onwards, ever onwards. Let’s look at a few numbers here.

First, over the tropical oceans, the rainfall is typically on the order of a couple of metres per year. Per the info above, they are going to test the plan with one ship for every 380 square miles. A square mile is about 2.6 square km, or 2.6 million square metres. Three hundred eighty square miles is about a thousand square km. Two metres of rainfall in that area is about two billion tonnes of water …

They say their ships will suck up “ten tonnes of water per second”. That’s about a third of a billion tonnes per year. So if they run full-time, they will increase the amount of water in the air by about 15% … which of course means 15% more rain. I don’t know how folks in rainy zones will feel about a 15% increase in their rainfall, but I foresee legalarity in the future …

Next, how much fuel will this use? The basic equation for pumps is:

Water flow (in liters per second) = 5.43 x pump power (kilowatts) / pressure (bars)

So to pump 10,000 litres per second (neglecting efficiency losses) with a pressure of 3 bars (100 psi) will require about 5,500 kilowatts. This means about 50 million kilowatt-hours per year. Figuring around 0.3 litres of fuel per kilowatt-hour (again without inefficiencies), this means that each ship will burn about fifteen million litres of fuel per year, so call it maybe twenty five million litres per year including all of the inefficiencies plus some fuel to actually move the ship around the ocean. All of these numbers are very generous, it will likely take more fuel than that. But we’ll use them.

Next, the money to do this … ho, ho, ho …

You can buy a used fire fighting ship for about fifteen million dollars,  but it will only pump about 0.8 tonnes/second. So a new ship to pump ten tonnes per second might cost on the order of say twenty million US dollars.

You’d need a crew of about twelve guys to run the ship 24/7. That’s three eight-hour shifts of four men per shift. On average they will likely cost about US$80,000 per year including food and benefits and miscellaneous, so that’s about a million per year.

Then we have fuel costs of say US$ 0.75 per litre, so there’s about ten million bucks per year there.

Another web site says:

A study commissioned by the Copenhagen Consensus Centre, a European think-tank, has estimated that a wind-powered fleet of 1,900 ships to cruise the world’s oceans, spraying sea water from towers to create and brighten clouds, could be built for $9 billion. The idea would be to operate most of the ships far offshore in the Pacific so they would not interfere with weather on land.

My numbers say $38 billion for the ships … and “wind-powered”? As a long time sailor, I can only say “get real” …

However, that’s just for the ships. Remember that we are talking about $11 million per ship for annual pumping fuel costs plus labour … which is an annual cost of another $20 billion dollars …

Finally, they say that they are going to test this using one ship per 380 square miles … and that they can blanket the world with 1,900 ships. That makes a total of around three quarters of a million square miles covered by the 1,900 ships.

The surface of the world ocean, however, is about 140 million square miles, so they will be covering about half a percent of the world ocean with the 1,900 ships. Half a percent. If that were all in the Pacific Ocean per the citation above, here’s how much it would cover:

Figure 2. Area covered by 1,900 cloud making ships.

Yeah, brightening that would make a huge difference, especially considering half of the time it wouldn’t even see the sun …

See, my problem is that I’m a practical guy, and I’ve spent a good chunk of my life working with machinery around the ocean. Which is why I don’t have a lot of time for “think-tanks” and “research groups”. Before I start a project, I do a back-of-the-envelope calculation to see if it makes sense.

My calculations show that this will cost forty billion dollars to start, and twenty billion per year to run, not counting things like ship maintenance and redundancy and emergencies and machinery replacement and insurance and a fleet of tankers to refuel the pump ships at sea and, and, and …

And for all of that, we may make a slight difference on half a percent of the ocean surface. Even if I’ve overestimated the costs by 100% (always possible, although things usually cost more than estimated rather than less), that’s a huge amount of money for a change too small to measure on a global scale.

Now Bill Gates is a smart guy. But on this one, I think he may have let his heart rule his head. One of the web sites quoted above closes by saying:

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation did not respond to requests for comment on Tuesday, nor did U.S. entrepreneur Kelly Wanser, who is leading the Silver Lining Project.

Smart move … what we have here is a non-viable non-solution to a non-problem. I wouldn’t want to comment either, especially since this non-solution will burn about 27 billion litres (about 7 billion US gallons) of fuel per year to supposedly “solve” the problem supposedly caused by CO2 from burning fuel …

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SOYLENT GREEN
May 12, 2010 3:56 am

Leave it to you to quote Al Sleet, the Hippy-Dippy Weatherman, with the title.
My other favorite, “Tonight’s forecast–Dark, with widely scattered light in the morning.”

jmrsudbury
May 12, 2010 3:57 am

I wonder what would happen when they spew that much salt into the mid to upper troposphere. — John M Reynolds

May 12, 2010 4:00 am

Sorry Willis you missed a key point the ships are solar and wind powered and so no is fuel is required. I studied renewable energy based ships. They can generate this level of power per day but don’t move far or fast in the process.
You missed the documentary on discovery channel, , where the discovery team did several of these projects. I think the channel did an obvious hack job on them with a lot of plagiarism thrown in as well. There are I believe some legal disputes. None of the organisations covered in the doco use the discovery channel footage with out editing the idiot PhD reporter – “Dr. Basil Singer — The Scientist” out. He claimed every project as his own, facilitating the idea, etc. and then killed it off with counter claim edited in after the real researchers and he had finished with the research.
I have corresponded with Dr Salter who designed the technology. As cloud seeding technology is concerned its very reasonable. And the price is quite cheap if cap and trade is your only hope. 40 billion is a bargain against global cap and trade bills of trillions.
If CO2 really did matter then these geo-engineering projects would matter and would help a little.
The catch is that CO2 is not a big enough problem to warrant any large expenditure over and beyond fixing the weather data gathering and analysis systems.
I still think ocean fertilisation will work as a sea farming technology and we will see power-sat and mirror sats in space. However as geo-engineering ideas they and Dr Salters idea is unfortunately dead. The boat should work fine the sails are quite storm-worthy. I want one minus the cloud maker.

Mike Davis
May 12, 2010 4:01 am

I think they should all be placed off the coast of Northern Washington State to enhance the Quality of life in Washington State. If the ships utilize solar to power the pumps then what little sunlight Seattle receives would go into making clouds to eliminate the sunlight. We all know the wind always blows at 10 knots in that region so theses ships along with wind turbines should definitely enhance the scenic views off the coast.

May 12, 2010 4:07 am

Dang I hate html. Sorry Anthony can you fix the link they stuffed me up somehow?
A preview button and a delete button would allow us to fix these glitches our selves and reduce your workload.
I assume you can see the code and spot the glitch in seconds.
[Reply: Fixed. Unfortunately, WordPress does not support a preview function, but there are workarounds. Maybe a helpful reader could post one or two. ~dbs, mod.]

Alan the Brit
May 12, 2010 4:10 am

They must be barking mad – it’ll never fly!
So, man has caused deadly global warming (irrefutable fact), by contaminating the atmosphere by emitting polluting greehouse gases by burning fossil fuels, so they want to experiment on global cooling by pumping millions of tonnes of some kind of fuel effluent into the atmosphere along with lots of little water droplets to produce more clouds to cool the planet. The logic is perfect I suppose? Is this just another attempt to show how mankind really rules the planet & not weak, feeble, ineffectual, mother nature? The next ice age is around the corner in all probability too in a couple or three thousnad years time! Now, where is there a volcano I can play games with?

Wally
May 12, 2010 4:14 am

The money would be better spent on desalinization plants and pumping the water into arid regions to help grow crops and or trees.
The fuel costs are immaterial as the ships will use wind power. Just need to add a few more towers on either end for the turbines ; )
Is 3000 ft high enough to really do anything as far as making more clouds? Would the columns of water just wash dust out of the air, reducing clouds?

Chris
May 12, 2010 4:15 am

Another lunatic idea. Their cloud spraying probably wouldn’t even make up for the CO2 it would take to create the clouds in the first place.
There is no end to the stupidity…

Bill Marsh
May 12, 2010 4:16 am

No, he didn’t ‘think with his heart’. He obviously needed some charitable deductions to reduce his tax liability and this is one of the ones his advisers found for him.

derise
May 12, 2010 4:16 am

wind powered only for the first fight, the second flight will be powered by tapping the Rainbow Power of the wonderful rainbows produced by the spray. As for the crews, the ships will be manned by trained unicorns, who as we all know need no sleep and are beautiful as well! The ships, of course, will be built by elves and lawn gnomes in their magical factories that produce no pollution and emissions smell like wild flowers (and profits don’t line the pockets of evil capitalists). And the fantastic byproduct of this happy product is: Stop global warming and lower the average temperature by 10 C.
Hope I didn’t miss many fantantic ideas, those mine pale to the original concept. Will this *snip* get any more stoopid?????

H.R.
May 12, 2010 4:18 am

“What could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant plan?”
Oh, I’d say the worst that could happen is that it works beyond their wildest expectations and then I’d have to pack up and move out of the way of the next North American glaciation.
The moral of the story? Quit fooling around with Mother Nature until you really know what you’re doing.

Jon
May 12, 2010 4:26 am

Not good for surface sealife … airborne plankton?

May 12, 2010 4:31 am

If I lived on an island, or even the mainland, nearby I don’t think I would appreciate salty rain on my crops.
And 12 guys per vessel is way too few – I would think 20.
And they would need another 10 on leave to relieve them even if they work two months on and one off.
Lots of work for out-of-work seamen (aka Pirates) from Somalia, SE Asia, etc. etc. .
But a great way to burn up the fossil fuel and increase the CO2 so the trees grow quicker.

toby
May 12, 2010 4:32 am

At least it is an improvment on the massive Sulphur Dioxide pipe that the Freakonomics Twins wanted!

cba
May 12, 2010 4:35 am

it makes me wonder if all that spraying is going to increase the amount of chlorine in the air as well. if that happens in a big way, maybe we’ll get to find out just how important the ozone layer really was. LOL!
btw, you don’t think that lawyer in nigeria whose been trying to send you a few million bucks has decided to go into the environmental salvation business do you?

Zoltan Beldi
May 12, 2010 4:42 am

That this idea went for more than 10 microseconds indicates the dearth of critical thinking by people who are wont to call themselves engineers and scientists.
This sort of thing really makes me despondent.
Willis, your summing up is right on the money “non-viable, non solution to a non problem”.
Says it all really doesn’t it ?

May 12, 2010 4:43 am

Bill Gates wants to bring the “blue screen of death” to the entire planet, including Mac and Linux users.
This is the what the sky will look like:
http://www.msuapartmentsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/blue-screen-of-death.jpg

Michael D Smith
May 12, 2010 4:45 am

3 bars is about 43.5 PSI, not 100… Time to double the fuel costs. If this were a government project, this would be discovered after the pumps are built, of course, tripling the cost of those.

May 12, 2010 4:47 am

Can we call it liberal wealth redistribution? Not a bad idea really.

Curiousgeorge
May 12, 2010 4:50 am

I think it would take more than a dozen crew for one of those tubs. More likely around a hundred, especially if they are sail boats. If it were me, I’d skip the sails and go straight for oars and drummers. It’s a proven green propulsive technology and would provide gainful employment and much needed exercise for progressive pencil necks.

899
May 12, 2010 4:51 am

“The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation did not respond to requests for comment on Tuesday, nor did U.S. entrepreneur Kelly Wanser, who is leading the Silver Lining Project.”
Well, of course not!
The whole scheme is nought but window dressing anyway to make Billy Boy Gates appear as if he’s got a few fingers in the pie.
Appearances, damn it! Appearances!

May 12, 2010 4:56 am

Willis,
Nice article but it is FAR worse than you calculated. If you calculate the power required to lift 10 tonnes per second to 3000 ft you get a bit larger number.
power = (weight * height)/second
= (20,000lb *4.448 N / lb)(3000ft*.3048m/ft)/1 second
= 81,345,000 = 81 million watts (MW)
This calculation results in 15 times more fuel consumption from the above calculation for an ideal pump. IC engines run at about 60% efficiency, the pump to launch something that fast would be hard pressed to be more than 50% my guess though would be well under 20 percent efficient.
If we ignore the pump and include just the IC engines efficiency – 81MW/.6 = 135MW with a perfect pump.
If the pump were as efficient as I expect you would reach 1/2 gigawatt per ship.
Now after a tired morning of research– Bill Gates please send checks to WUWT Skunkworks…
Perhaps the article could have been “15.21 gigawatts, what was I thinking!”

t . f . p .
May 12, 2010 5:10 am

Sea-going hardware for the cloud albedo method of reversing global warming
http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/366/1882/3989.full.pdf+html

Ian H
May 12, 2010 5:12 am

The picture looks like these are planned to be Flettner rotor ships. I almost wouldn’t mind seeing one of these white elephants built just for the joy of seeing a Flettner rotor ship of that size in operation.