Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach
I noted on the news that there is a new plan afoot to cool down the planet. This one supposedly has been given big money by none other than Bill Gates.
The plan involves a fleet of ships that supposedly look like this:
Figure 1. Artist’s conception of cloud-making ships. Of course, the first storm would flip this over immediately, but heck, it’s only a fantasy, so who cares? SOURCE
The web site claims that:
Bill Gates Announces Funding for Seawater-Spraying Cloud Machines
The machines, developed by a San Francisco-based research group called Silver Lining, turn seawater into tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air. The particles increase the density of clouds by increasing the amount of nuclei contained within. Silver Lining’s floating machines can suck up ten tons of water per second.
What could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant plan?
First, as usual the hype in this seems to have vastly outpaced the reality. According to CBS News Tech Talk:
The machines, developed by a San Francisco-based research group called Silver Lining, turn seawater into tiny particles that can be shot up over 3,000 feet in the air. The particles increase the density of clouds by increasing the amount of nuclei contained within. Silver Lining’s floating machines can suck up ten tons of water per second. If all goes well, Silver Lining plans to test the process with 10 ships spread throughout 3800 square miles of ocean. Geoengineering, an umbrella phrase to describe techniques that would allow humans to prevent global warming by manipulating the Earth’s climate, has yet to result in any major projects.
However, this is just a quote from the same web site that showed the ship above. CBS Tech Talk goes on to say:
A PR representative from Edelman later sent me this note from Ken Caldeira of the Carnegie Institution for Science: “Bill Gates made a grant to the University of Calgary to support research in possible unique solutions and responses to climate change. Administrating this research funding, David Keith of the University of Calgary and I made a grant to Armand Neukermanns for lab tests to investigate the technical feasibility of producing the fine seawater sprays required by the Latham cloud whitening proposal, one of many proposals for mitigating some of the adverse effects of climate change. This grant to Neukermanns is for lab tests only, not Silver Lining’s field trials.”
So Bill Gates isn’t funding the ships, and didn’t even decide to fund this particular fantasy, he just gave money to support research into “possible unique solutions”. Well, I’d say this one qualifies …
Next, after much searching I finally found the Silver Lining Project web site. It says on the home page:
The Silver Lining Project is a not-for-profit international scientific research collaboration to study the effects of particles (aerosols) on clouds, and the influence of these cloud effects on climate systems.
Well, that sure sounds impressive. Unfortunately, the web site is only four pages, and contains almost no information at all.
Intrigued, I emailed them at the address given on their web site, which is info(a)silverliningproj.org. I quickly got this reply:
Delivery has failed to these recipients or distribution lists:
info@silverliningproj.org
The recipient’s e-mail address was not found in the recipient’s e-mail system. Microsoft Exchange will not try to redeliver this message for you. Please check the e-mail address and try resending this message, or provide the following diagnostic text to your system administrator.
Hmmmm … not a good sign, four page web site, email address is dead … but onwards, ever onwards. Let’s look at a few numbers here.
First, over the tropical oceans, the rainfall is typically on the order of a couple of metres per year. Per the info above, they are going to test the plan with one ship for every 380 square miles. A square mile is about 2.6 square km, or 2.6 million square metres. Three hundred eighty square miles is about a thousand square km. Two metres of rainfall in that area is about two billion tonnes of water …
They say their ships will suck up “ten tonnes of water per second”. That’s about a third of a billion tonnes per year. So if they run full-time, they will increase the amount of water in the air by about 15% … which of course means 15% more rain. I don’t know how folks in rainy zones will feel about a 15% increase in their rainfall, but I foresee legalarity in the future …
Next, how much fuel will this use? The basic equation for pumps is:
Water flow (in liters per second) = 5.43 x pump power (kilowatts) / pressure (bars)
So to pump 10,000 litres per second (neglecting efficiency losses) with a pressure of 3 bars (100 psi) will require about 5,500 kilowatts. This means about 50 million kilowatt-hours per year. Figuring around 0.3 litres of fuel per kilowatt-hour (again without inefficiencies), this means that each ship will burn about fifteen million litres of fuel per year, so call it maybe twenty five million litres per year including all of the inefficiencies plus some fuel to actually move the ship around the ocean. All of these numbers are very generous, it will likely take more fuel than that. But we’ll use them.
Next, the money to do this … ho, ho, ho …
You can buy a used fire fighting ship for about fifteen million dollars, but it will only pump about 0.8 tonnes/second. So a new ship to pump ten tonnes per second might cost on the order of say twenty million US dollars.
You’d need a crew of about twelve guys to run the ship 24/7. That’s three eight-hour shifts of four men per shift. On average they will likely cost about US$80,000 per year including food and benefits and miscellaneous, so that’s about a million per year.
Then we have fuel costs of say US$ 0.75 per litre, so there’s about ten million bucks per year there.
Another web site says:
A study commissioned by the Copenhagen Consensus Centre, a European think-tank, has estimated that a wind-powered fleet of 1,900 ships to cruise the world’s oceans, spraying sea water from towers to create and brighten clouds, could be built for $9 billion. The idea would be to operate most of the ships far offshore in the Pacific so they would not interfere with weather on land.
My numbers say $38 billion for the ships … and “wind-powered”? As a long time sailor, I can only say “get real” …
However, that’s just for the ships. Remember that we are talking about $11 million per ship for annual pumping fuel costs plus labour … which is an annual cost of another $20 billion dollars …
Finally, they say that they are going to test this using one ship per 380 square miles … and that they can blanket the world with 1,900 ships. That makes a total of around three quarters of a million square miles covered by the 1,900 ships.
The surface of the world ocean, however, is about 140 million square miles, so they will be covering about half a percent of the world ocean with the 1,900 ships. Half a percent. If that were all in the Pacific Ocean per the citation above, here’s how much it would cover:
Figure 2. Area covered by 1,900 cloud making ships.
Yeah, brightening that would make a huge difference, especially considering half of the time it wouldn’t even see the sun …
See, my problem is that I’m a practical guy, and I’ve spent a good chunk of my life working with machinery around the ocean. Which is why I don’t have a lot of time for “think-tanks” and “research groups”. Before I start a project, I do a back-of-the-envelope calculation to see if it makes sense.
My calculations show that this will cost forty billion dollars to start, and twenty billion per year to run, not counting things like ship maintenance and redundancy and emergencies and machinery replacement and insurance and a fleet of tankers to refuel the pump ships at sea and, and, and …
And for all of that, we may make a slight difference on half a percent of the ocean surface. Even if I’ve overestimated the costs by 100% (always possible, although things usually cost more than estimated rather than less), that’s a huge amount of money for a change too small to measure on a global scale.
Now Bill Gates is a smart guy. But on this one, I think he may have let his heart rule his head. One of the web sites quoted above closes by saying:
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation did not respond to requests for comment on Tuesday, nor did U.S. entrepreneur Kelly Wanser, who is leading the Silver Lining Project.
Smart move … what we have here is a non-viable non-solution to a non-problem. I wouldn’t want to comment either, especially since this non-solution will burn about 27 billion litres (about 7 billion US gallons) of fuel per year to supposedly “solve” the problem supposedly caused by CO2 from burning fuel …
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Great idea! Not only will we have more clouds and a colder planet, but the sea level should drop as well!
Living in Pennsylvania, however, I’d like to see less clouds and more warmth for a change. But hey, I’m willing to make the sacrifice to save the planet!!!!!!
One other thing, does this mean we can look
forward to more rain, and salty rain as well? Hoe will the crops like that?
Boy, you thought it was cold this last winter, just wait till they block a sizeable portion of the incoming radiation at the tropics and then the volcanoes blow. Anthropogenic Global Ice Age!
And just exactly how are you going to warm us back up? Come on Mr. Gates, got an answer for that in the pipeline? Well if you don’t you need one, kinda like a B.O.P. on a well.
Fantastic Willis, that last paragraph is a killer. Just need Bill Gates to read it now
Aaargh,
Coises foiled agin.
They’re basically saving the appearances, aren’t they? The IPCC is the new Inquisition, with a thousand little Torquemadas ready, willing and able to give hell to anybody whose conscience dictates opposition to these hare-brained schemes. I’d prefer the caveats of somebody as experienced as Willis Eschenbach anyday to all these horses built by committees.
“$11 million per ship for annual pumping fuel costs and labour”
Unless the pumps are wind-powered and the crew are magic robots with windmills sticking out of the top of their heads.
What could possibly go wrong with such a brilliant plan?
Wait ’til the pumps try to ingest the Midgaard Serpent — then watch out…
Like most green and geo engineering projects this one isn’t practical. The concept might be valid on a small scale (re:cloud/fog forests), but practicality is the BSOD.
Another nagging question, if they do manage to change the climate, will they be liable when their new and bigger storm swamps a metro area/wipes out crops/causes other disasters, or when our -30F January nights go -50?
We are in a 6 year drought, can I order a foot or two of rain for this summer, with service pack 3 please? How much extra is it for the ‘Make My Whitewater River Roar Again 7 Professional’ and the ‘Snowmobiler’s Paradise 3.1’ packages?
Hmmmm…..
I just watched a wonderful program on TV about the wonders of the living, blue sea.
One of those wonders is all the plankton, the microscopic plankton, which is the foundation of the entire food chain of the whole ecosystem of the ocean. Any self respecting lover of the world of life would tell you how critical it is to the entire chain of life to protect this fundamental foundation of the life cycle.
This plankton roams the oceans on the very surface, the upper foot or so.
Now comes along these huge vacuum cleaners, sucking all the plankton up into the air.
Where is the outrage from the environmental community?
Not only does the plankton produce oxygen, many of the developing embryos of the pelagic fishes make up an important part of this critical community.
Now we’re going to pick up and spray these delicate, beautiful, and critical creatures into the air.
Will Bill Gates now be the father of a real large Blue Screen of Death?
Now Bill, for the right price I could let you have a gen-u-ine Buck Rogers Cosmic Ray Machine.
9 billion for 1900 aircraftcarrier sized ships? Or is it 9 billion for the 10 aircraftcarrier sized ships that they are going to use to test this? In that case it would be a staggering 1900 x 0.9 billion = 1710 billion.
For that amount of money we could (probably) colonise Mars and the asteriod belt and beyond, and it would make more sense as well.
Just what Planet Earth needs – Service Pack 1 from Bill Gates
I think you just proved that extreme pessimism and extreme wishful thinking don’t add up to zero.
Anthony,
Yahoo has a story about a grey whale that has moved into the North Atlantic/Mediterranean and there is speculation that this may be the first step in recolonization of the Atlantic since the species became extinct there in the 18th century. Of course, global warming and the unprecedented opening of the Northwest Passage is to “blame.” I thought you’d be interested in debunking the global warming disinformation in the piece.
Excellent post Willis. Guess your practical brain is spoiling all the fun for these fantasists, you party pooper, you.
Since seawater contains about 3.5% by weight salt, what happens to the salt content of rainwater should this Silver Lining project actually happen? It goes up accordingly. Plants would be subjected to a lot more salt than usual, and runoff from rivers would see a significant increase in salinity. I can’t see where this is a good idea at all. They should rename the project Unintended Sea Salt Rain (USSR).
Nukes would do it bigger, faster, cheaper, louder. Proven technology and there’s a surplus that requires disposal. Ok, so there would be some environmental issues, but compared to the fuel costs for the pump fleet, it might not be such a bad deal. The ships will probably be wind or solar powered anyway, but key point is:
“spraying sea water from towers to create and brighten clouds, could be built for $9 billion”
Only $9bn? We should put a WUWT team bid in to develop and build for $8.5. If the UK pitches in with some of our Climate Change Act £15bn or so a year, we could have some real fun. I’m sure collectively we have the knowledge and experience to have a decent go of it, and as a non-profit organisation would be duty bound to spend everything we could get.
I’m puzzled though that pro-AGW types think we’re all right wing capitalist swines who want to make lots of money, yet these kinds of pipe dreams aren’t exactly altruistic. Gates and Co. have been busily putting seed money into geo-engineering to grab patents and future returns for licensing those to save the planet. But then that’s the guy that did his own bit to boost energy consumption by giving us Vista.
You couldn’t make it up.
So then, Willis, why don’t you stop being so shy and tell us what you really think!
☺☺☺☺☺☺☺☺
/dr.bill
Don’t be so negative. Time is running out. We have to do something. Anything.
This seem to remind me of something…oh ya, the carbon capture technology.
And when Melinda Gates breaks the champagne bottle on the bow of the first ship, this is what the assembled crowd will hear over the public address system:
“A fatal exception 0E has occurred at 0028:C0011E36 in VXD VMM(01) + 00010E36. The current application will be terminated. Press any key to terminate the current application. Press CTRL+ALT+DEL to restart.”
A project like this makes for some interesting calculations. With 1900 ships pumping 10 tons per second I make it that they will blow about 6 x 10^14 kilograms of seawater into the air per year. This is of course insignificant compared to the amount naturally vaporized. However the amount of salt is not insignificant, something like 10^13 kilograms of chlorine. Since chlorine is supposed to be very bad for the ozone layer, one hopes that not too much of it makes it into the stratosphere.
Also about 2 x 10^13 kilos of salt is enough for about 40 tons for each square kilometer of the Earths surface, so one also hopes that they keep well away from any land.
Then there’s the small matter of pumping the most powerful green house gas of all into the atmosphere to mitigate the green house warming of a bit player.
Oh, and then there is the other small matter that we don’t really have a complete understanding of cloud formation to begin with so who knows if this will change albedo anyway.
And oops, how about that virgin rain forest subjected to salt water rain. That can’t be a wonderful thing for the earth’s lungs can it?