This is the face on environmentalism today – publicly issued threats from Greenpeace
We need to hit them where it hurts most, by any means necessary: through the power of our votes, our taxes, our wallets, and more.
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The proper channels have failed. It’s time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism.
If you’re one of those who believe that this is not just necessary but also possible, speak to us. Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.
“…but you be few”
Yeah sure, whatever you say. Newsflash to Green Gene from Greenpeace India who wrote this.
Seen the latest US Gallup poll?
Gallup: Americans’ Global Warming Concerns Continue to Drop
Or maybe this one in the UK?
Or How about this one in Germany?
SPIEGEL Survey: How Germans Feel about Climate Change
Or the fact that the French gave up on carbon taxing?
French give up on carbon tax plan – for now
I’d say you and your friends are mightily outnumbered. h/t to WUWT reader “kwik”
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AUTHORNAME. Greenpeace makes threat to skeptics. Greenpeace. 2010-04-03. URL:http://weblog.greenpeace.org/climate/2010/04/will_the_real_climategate_plea_1.html. Accessed: 2010-04-03. (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/5oj86Zw5q)
Greenpeace, WWF, and others could really pull off a coup if they were to actually join the skeptical community in calling for greater transparency in climate science (instead of thwarting replication), its peer review, less tribalism, and higher quality/less bias in the media’s reporting of matters relating to climate.
Glad to see someone with Greenpeace posting here – the enviro justice movement has legitimate concerns. Some of the methods are troubling, though. Justice is found through the legal system, not by creating more injustice.
Perhaps green Gene would like to visit me in a couple of weeks when I’m pre-menstral, I’ll be ready :0)
Talking of a couple of weeks, there will be a meeting in my local market town in Somerset (UK) called ‘2010 election, Ask the climate question’. Residents have been invited to go along and ask questions about climate change to candidates. It is organised by green and conservation groups.
My 12 year old son was told that he could submit a question at school, so I sent him in with a list of 6 questions which were not the usual ‘How do we save the polar bears’ type questions that they were expecting 🙂 His eco greenie teacher looked at them and just said ‘interesting’ and walked off.
Talking about breaking the law, “we be many but you be few”, and general leftist attitudes towards the property and safety of *OTHER* people…
In Berlin and to a lesser degree in Hamburg left wing radicals have made it a habit to set fire to high end sedans like Mercedes and bigger Audi’s. They usually walk past a parked vehicle in the night and place a barbecue lighter on a tyre, light it and walk away. The rubber will take some time to catch fire. When police and firemen arrive our Eco-Freedom Fighter will already be in a safe distance.
Here’s a german website with a map:
http://www.brennende-autos.de/
I wonder how many real environmentalists are out there… You know, ones that have not drunk the carbon cool-aid and still care about the actual environment. While those that claim AGW as the sole cause of concern for the planet become ever more shrill and apocalyptic, the real and not modeled environment is in fact suffering badly. That does not seem to matter anymore; not as long as you screw in a few CFL’s and drive a Prius.
What a sad state of affairs. I am certain that this era will be considered one of the darkest of ages. Greenpeace merely confirms it.
The proper channels have failed. It’s time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism
So you took away CO2 from our respiration and with it the oxygen producing green vegetation, and now you menace to take away the “financial oxygen”?
Let me tell you that if there is any oxygen of that kind ALL IS YOURS since a long, long time, because, as you know, big money always funds big fools, as any normal thinking human being is clever enough not to care about silly matters.
“Andrew (06:27:42) :
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Unfortunately, mega-corporations seem to be mainly running the show. Thanks for bringing up Koch. Good example of how things work…”
The “evil mega-corporation” Koch owns Cargill. Cargill operates a biodiesel refinery a few km south of where i live. From your writing i assume that that is evil now, and not green or renewable anymore, right?
One of the reasons i don’t believe anything from the Greens anymore is the way certain things can be green, benign and sustainable one day and evil, hellish, mega-corporation-evil stuff the next day.
Probably Koch just stopped paying the pizzo.
@ur momisugly enduser
‘This was posted to a very left-leaning forum.’
I agree to some extent. The leftivists can be quite overbearing on Reddit.com – but there is still room for a variety of opinions. For instance, I came to this page from:
http://www.reddit.com/r/climateskeptics/
Polite, well reasoned, well backed up discussion is welcome.
“Andrew (06:46:28) :
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+ We use non-violent confrontation to raise the level and quality of public debate;”
Rich, Andrew, simply rich! “We be many but you be few”!
I applaud you!
No, really. That was hilarious.
“Andrew (06:27:42) :
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and this conversation would be powered by wind and solar.”
… and would be down 18 hours of the day.
Hmmmm … Iowahawk missed including the enviro-weenies as a ‘hazard’ in his latest tome, to wit:
“Journo-Politico Violence: Deadly Threat or Menacing Trend?”
http://bigjournalism.com/dburge/2010/04/03/journo-politico-violence-deadly-threat-or-menacing-trend/
It begins satirically thusly:
Were it not for the plethora of embedded links, cites and supporting media accounts, one would this was a complete work of fiction …
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Andrew (06:27:42) :
Craig – If we were in charge then Obama wouldn’t be announcing off shore drilling, there would be net zero deforestation, a network of marine reserves would cover 40% of the worlds oceans, and this conversation would be powered by wind and solar>>
Andrew – to previous comments of yours, no rational person could read the tirade on the Greenpeace web site and come to any conclusion other than it is an endoresement of violence. Quoting from the Greenpeace charter is no more relevant to this matter than trying to show that Al Qaida is peaceful by quoting from the Quran. It is actions that speak the loudest and this article was a call to actions of violence. If Greenpeace is in fact peacefull, they would publicly repudiate it. That they do not also speaks loudly because then it comes to matters of this nature, silence is taken as endoresement by many.
As for this conversation being powered by wind and solar, perhaps some day that would be practical. If it were true today, it would have been accomplished via the death of 3/4 of the earth’s population, starved to death by the lack of food production enabled and distributed by fossil fuels.
What value is your solution if 6 billion people must die for it?
I’m sure you have answers, arguments, evidence, to show that such a solution is possible without killing off most of humanity. I will not listen to one single solitary word of it until the call for violence is retracted and publicly repudiated.
Andrew- What a joke ‘this conversation driven by wind and solar’ how much have you read on this excellent website? This is the kernel of your whole problem. Greenpeace solutions and matras are a tragic skewed mess. Your organisation’s belief system clouds the reality and will not listen to their own. Your organisation has no credibility now.
Leave your job and work for a small business. Learn about reality and where your donated salary comes from. Learn about the slow death of the wildlands through wind energy saturation, the corrupt use of hydro to prop up wind energy. Learn about the imposition of blasted spines of hills, the use of concrete and cement, the carbon losses, the effects to birds, spawning fish, land scarred- once pristine well beloved land, the waste, the expense to communities. The bribes, the backhanders, the irreparable damage to archaeological sites .. it goes on. Learn.
Big Oil is behind this!!!
As financial supporters of the CRU they infiltrated and coerced the scientists to send all those damaging e-mails, what better way to sour public opinion?
They may have even convinced the IPCC to change that Himalayan melt date, (“you know Raj if you just move the zero to between the two and three, it will make much more impact”)
Shouldn’t the police be called in at this stage? Someone a little unhinged might just take those words as a sign for some ‘action’.
We may see a good 2 run homer- AGW imploding and taking the Greenpeace industry with it.
Andrew (06:27:42), it appears you still think skeptics are “funded” as you post on a skeptic website whose existence is solely due to a vast number of concerned individuals. As it turns out Greenpeace is far more of a “mega-corporation” than anything related to skeptics. The big supporters of “wind and solar” are mega-corporations like GE.
Take a little time and search for the truth.
As a rhetorical question, has Mark Potock of the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in Montgomery, Alabama in and charge of their “Intelligence Project” got these ppl on his watch list of subversive organizations?
Oh, sorry, he only tracks right-wing orgs of this kind … never mind.
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Greenpeace = terrorist!
“We are many and you are few”
As one of the few does that make me Fewish?
Because prior to this I thought I was Jewish
The global warming you have surmised
Is derived from data circumsised
You know where I live, you will make me listen
What if still I do not learn the lesson?
Will you then propose a final solution
To rid the planet of man’s pollution?
Who shall live and who shall die
To hide away the global warming lie?
Purely a PR move on Obama’s part; to quote Institute for Energy Research: (an excerpt)
So you see, his announcement was PURE window dressing; your crowd is getting what you want (ham-stringing of the US); ask ‘your leaders’ and verify this, if they are sharp enough to discern what just happened …
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and of course we won’ t see a word of this in the MSM. they would rather report about an inconsequential small ‘militia’ group
From Greenpeace blog :o)
Even if they succeeded by 50% they would shave a trace amount from a trace gas which would not make any difference to the mean global temperatures in 2100. What a waste of bandwidth!!!
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/climate/2010/04/will_the_real_climategate_plea_1.html
Andrew (06:27:42) :
“Unfortunately, mega-corporations seem to be mainly running the show. ”
Amazing that Greenpeace is still flogging this particularly lifeless nag. Greenpeace’s own analysis on Exxonsecrets confirms the pathetically small amounts of money involved on the sceptic side ($23 million over how many years?!?). Against George Soros, WWF and Greenpeace. The alarmist cause has many orders of magnitude more cash than any sceptic thinktank.
Funny how the real world is a mirror image of how you guys imagine it.
If money was the deciding factor the debate really would be over.
“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.”
Claiming that this can be construed as anything but a physical threat is like claiming that a “trick” can mean anything but what we all really know it means.
But I don’t think, as many of you apparently do, that this is a general threat against sceptics at this time; rather I see it as a specific threat against certain prominent individuals in the sceptic community, whose home addresses and places of work these fascist thugs almost certainly do know already. I would urge these individuals to contact the police for their own safety.
Greenpeace is an ironic name for an organization that advocates green wars. Reminds me of 1984 and the Ministry of Truth which was new-speak for Ministry of Misinformation.