Climate Craziness of the Week – Greenpeace posts threats

This is the face on environmentalism today – publicly issued threats from Greenpeace

I find this sort of thing slightly troubling, but mostly I see it as just behind the scenes business as usual, only written down instead of part of the usual meeting rhetoric.

We need to hit them where it hurts most, by any means necessary: through the power of our votes, our taxes, our wallets, and more.

The proper channels have failed. It’s time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism.

If you’re one of those who believe that this is not just necessary but also possible, speak to us. Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.

If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:

We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.

And we be many, but you be few.

“…but you be few

Yeah sure, whatever you say. Newsflash to Green Gene from Greenpeace India who wrote this.

Seen the latest US Gallup poll?

Gallup: Americans’ Global Warming Concerns Continue to Drop

Or maybe this one in the UK?

Inconvenient truth in Britain – scepticism on the rise – only 26% believe climate change to be man-made

Or How about this one in Germany?

SPIEGEL Survey: How Germans Feel about Climate Change

Or the fact that the French gave up on carbon taxing?

French give up on carbon tax plan – for now

I’d say you and your friends are mightily outnumbered. h/t to WUWT reader “kwik”

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AUTHORNAME. Greenpeace makes threat to skeptics. Greenpeace. 2010-04-03. URL:http://weblog.greenpeace.org/climate/2010/04/will_the_real_climategate_plea_1.html. Accessed: 2010-04-03. (Archived by WebCite® at http://www.webcitation.org/5oj86Zw5q)

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Amino Acids in Meteorites

Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
Here’s what it looks like Greenpeace:
The public turning against you because they finally see your true global warming colors and it leaves a bad taste in their mouths.

These threats are certainly illegal in the USA.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

And we be many, but you be few.
Ummm, I think you better check that math on that boys.

David Alan Evans

Tempted to post my name & address on there.
Let them come after ME, they’d be decimated. People here know me & my views. I get on well with all my neighbours & it’s a society where we look after our own. I’m officially an outsider but I’ve been accepted & passed all the tests. Bring it on!
DaveE.

DirkH

“We need to hit them where it hurts most, by any means necessary: through the power of our votes, our taxes, our wallets, and more.”
Very funny. We pay Eco taxes and electricity cross subsidies in Germany for a decade now. Thank you, Greenpeace, but this threat is nothing new and it doesn’t work – it just stunts economic development a little and puts poor people at a disadvantage as a larger proportion of their income is needed for energy. Ironically that’s exactly the populace that often tends to vote for socialists.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission
You folk at Greenpeace know well what that is. You are projecting in blaming this on others.

slayer

More violence to come from the intolerant, environmentalist wacko, terrorist Left!

DirkH

“We need to hit them where it hurts most, by any means necessary: through the power of our votes, our taxes, our wallets, and more.”
I had to read it again to understand what the guy is really saying:
“We need to hit them where it hurts most, […] through the power of […] our wallets”
You want to hurt me with the power of *YOUR* wallets? Oh. I take everything back. Hmmm… hurt me with the big bank notes first, please…

I doubt they can hurt we, the skeptical, but it could divert attention from our message.

INGSOC

This is indeed business as usual for these folks. Look forward to rainbow warrior type crap happening very soon. A person I know inside Greenpeace (I was an active member for many years) has been mentioning a coming new campaign of agitation in an effort to wear skeptics down and frighten those on the fence into towing the party line. I guess this is the beginning… Truth is, a lot of the “part timers” in Greenpeace are beginning to snap out of it and smell the coffee with all the revelations since November last. This is undoubtedly an effort to secure their own base and stem the bleeding.

savethesharks

Bring it on! They scare me not.
Chris
Norfolk, VA, USA

“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.” (!!!) I hope Homeland Security is keeping an eye on these guys. Better yet, maybe I’ll meet Gene from India someday at a conference …
Thomas

Hunt

The ‘good’ people from Greenpeace are long gone. I’ve never agreed with Greenpeace’s methods, but at one point, they at least had noble goals. Now the goals is simply terrorism. Even the scientists have said that the suggested carbon credit system would be a token gesture, and wouldn’t do anything to curb the supposed problem.
Instead of Greenpeace harassing people who have differing opinions, perhaps they should spend their time and money coming up with real solutions to the supposed problem. If someone came up with a solution that wouldn’t destroy our economy, and that would actually make a dent in the atmospheric CO2 while also not negatively impacting other areas of the ecosystem, people would be all over it.

West Houston

Quoting:
“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.”
Commenting:
Be carefull what you wish for. You are making some powerfull enemies, you snot-nosed little creeps.
…that’s not “snipable”, is it?

Tom Jones

“The politicians have failed. Now it’s up to us. We must break the law to make the laws we need: laws that are supposed to protect society, and protect our future. Until our laws do that, screw being climate lobbyists. Screw being climate activists. It’s not working. We need an army of climate outlaws.”
I’d say that they need some time playing rock hockey. Last time I looked, we were citizens with civil rights, too.

Evan Jones

And we be many, but you be few.
Only after FILNET.

Mooloo

He’s a bit of an outlier, even in the wackiness that is Greenpeace.
Such behaviour in the West would spell the end of Greenpeace. They would be seen as being effectively a political party. Currently their fellow-travellers tend to think of them as “above” the fray, which gives them a bit of a free pass.
Once Greenpeace start harassing non-political individuals they are doomed.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

The real enemy of Greenpeace are the global warming scientist, such as the CRU/ClimateGate scandal. ClimateGate changed the entire face of the global warming world. I am sure ClimateGate, and all the other -gates, are eating away at environmental activists. They are being pulled down by their own weapon—“the consensus”—that was supposed to silence all the arguments.
As it turns out “the consensus” is the iceberg to their Titanic.
These threats toward ‘skeptics’ is displacement of anger that actually belongs on themselves for their own fatally flawed agenda.
Blame yourself Greenpeace. You are your problem.

Henry chance

PETA, ELF and Greenpeace are all subversive groups that alr willing to break the law and commit eco terrorist acts.
As science is crumbling, they will increase the physical threats.
They want punitive laws and taxation for those they don’t buy their false dogma. One of the group like Joe Romm want to also punish the poor with punitive fines, taxation and energy rationing.

RevYJ

So now they’re trying to intimidate me with vague threats? I can rest easier now. I thought for a minute they were going to do something really serious like accuse me of racism.

Wow, that’s a blatant threat, i.e. “any menace of such a nature and extent as to unsettle the mind of one on whom it operates and to take away from his acts that free, voluntary action which alone constitutes consent.”
http://chestofbooks.com/society/law/Popular-Law-10/Section-147-Criminal-Threat-Defined.html
If any crime results from Greenpeace’s incitement, i.e. “the act of persuading, encouraging, instigating, pressuring, or threatening so as to cause another to commit a crime”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incitement
then Greenpeace and “Gene” should be held criminally culpable.
If this type of threat was made by a skeptic group, there would surely be an investigation. United States Senator James Inhofe, can you please add Greenpeace and “Gene” to your list?

Rick Bradford

It remains immensely important to these people to see themselves as the little guy heroically fighting huge corporate interests; hence all the projection and victimhood.
If “we be many, but you be few”, how come it’s us who are deemed to be forcing “democratically-elected governments into submission”?
Idiotic, but that’s Greenpeace for you….

Patrick Davis

The sad thing about this is that if they do “act” and actually do hurt people, they will not be convicted for it.

moray watson

Has this threat been peer reviewed?
I hope the bloggers over at realclimate will denounce this kind of lunacy.

Mike Bryant

That sounds like a declaration of war… odd thing is they’ve been at war with sanity for years…

GK

It is time for us to start calling for criminal charges to be laid against the MSM journalists and politicians who have enabled the AGW hoax, the crime of the century. The few scientists who invented AGW are just doing their job (albeit incompetantly). The moron left wing activists are just doing typical leftwing moron violent activists do. It`s the MSM media and politicians who enabled the AGW hoax to propogate by lying about the science, by lying about the scientists, and by lying about every bit of it.
The AGW hoax will never be exponsed en-mass untill the journalists and politicians who enabled it face prosecution for the fraud of the century.
It`s only a matter of time before some left wing nut does something terrible, and for that, the MSM and politicians should face the full force our hate laws. They invoked the hate through their lies, and they should face jail for it.
We are wasting our time arguing the facts and evidence with people who lie at every turn, and were never interested in the facts in the first place. The MSM and politicians know the globe isnt warming, they know the science is flakey, they know sea ice is increasing – but that`s irrelevant, because this was never about climate, and untill people and politicians start calling for their jailing, it will continue and get worse.

Stephan

This is great keep it up.. this is exactly what we skeptics need hahaha. There in the looney fringe now (AGW)

enduser
Leon Brozyna

There it is – the greenshirts will ensure adherence to the party line and dissenters will be dealt with accordingly.
An interesting phenomenon this – those posturing as “liberal” are anything but as they practice intolerance and display a desire to corral their fellow citizens as though they were mindless animals to be sheared and slaughtered at will, demanding obedience and conformance to their views.
Submit, conform or … what? And these are the type of folks who rail in outrage against businessmen who make a profit. Seems to me that their complaint is that what they have to offer won’t sell.

Henry chance

wiki on ecoterrorists
Organizations that have been labeled as “eco-terrorists” in the United States include the Animal Liberation Front (ALF),[17] the Earth Liberation Front (ELF),[17]Greenpeace, the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society, Earth First!.[9] The Coalition to Save the Preserves.[18] and the Hardesty Avengers.[19]
Greenpeace generally protests through civil disobedience or sabotage[9] and has also been implicated (and in some cases indicted) in eco-terrorism and associated unlawful use of monies as well as anti-piracy laws concerning unlawful boarding of private vessels on the high seas.[20]
If they can get people angry, they can jump on the violence bandwagon. The wackos rant about BIG Oil and want criminal charges, punitive taxation and EPA to hassle them.

Amino Acids in Meteorites

Seen the latest US Gallup poll?
Gallup: Americans’ Global Warming Concerns Continue to Drop
Or maybe this one in the UK?
Inconvenient truth in Britain – scepticism on the rise – only 26% believe climate change to be man-made
Or How about this one in Germany?
SPIEGEL Survey: How Germans Feel about Climate Change
Or the fact that the French gave up on carbon taxing?
French give up on carbon tax plan – for now
………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..
Winters have been getting longer and colder, with more snow. It’s Mother Nature to blame Greenpeace. I thought Greenpeace loved Mother Nature?
What will you do about her now that she’s raining on your ‘global warming’ parade?

derek

facepalm!

rbateman

Perhaps this has something to do with the recent message from Osama Bin-Laden proclaiming AGW as one of his beliefs. The threats and violent warnings do sound familiar.
This isn’t the peaceful movement that I am familar with from a long time ago. They used to tie themselves to old Giant Redwood trees to save them.
Now they talk of war and killing people.
Wow.

So, Greenpeace morphs into ELF. Nothing like a little direct action to fire up the faithful. Please, please pick me. My next door neighbor does bombs. He’s getting a little cobwebbed in retirement and might relish the challenge.

Mike Davis

Here in my neck of the woods we “are” waiting for your visit! 🙂
As Dirty Harry said: Make our day!!!

Dear GreenPeace,
The true sign of a failed belief system is when its adherents, having failed to persuade the populace by reasoned debate, resort instead to violence. It matters not if we are speaking of the millions who died under Communism’s jackboot while their economy disintegrated, or of those murdered by Fascists determined to establish order through racial superiority, or of the brutal repression of the Dark Ages or of Islamic extremists raising their children to become suicide bombers.
What matters is that we understand that these belief systems failed because they were founded upon a false premise. They failed because force of arms and the death of millions can obligate the populace to conform to the belief system, but no amount of brutality and extermination will make the falsehoods into something they are not. The facts will endure no matter how many people are tortured into false confessions, or how many are executed to silence those who would speak the truth. Burning books does not erase the facts within them, only the record of them.
No one let’s go of a long held belief system easily. But those who firmly believe in themselves and their facts will redouble their efforts to convince others by means of persuasion. Those who instead resort to violence to impose their beliefs on others are, by doing so, admitting that they have no other means by which to persuade. Their arguments and evidence having failed, they turn instead to coercion.
GreenPeace would do well to expunge from their midst those who imply that violence may be justified to win the global warming debate. If the facts and evidence are indeed with you, then redouble your efforts to research, document and persuade. But if you allow to exist amongst you those who would choose a path of violence, then you have abandoned reason and fact. You may wrap yourself in a cloak of morality, but the blood stains upon your hands will still be yours. Perhaps instead you should pause and ask why it is that you have set one toe on the same path followed before you by those who had naught but violence to suppress the falsity of their beliefs, and that this perhaps has more to do with your failure than you had supposed.
Putting a gun to my head is not an argument. It is a descent into madness. It is an attempt to repeat history, the lessons of which you clearly have not learned.

derek

“Blame yourself Greenpeace. You are your problem.”
This…

Elizabeth (Canada)

*yawn*
I laughed out loud, then I was immediately distracted by other, lucid thoughts inside my head.

Bruckner8

Why do we even pay attention to this drivel?

Cadae

“We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.”
They do know my address as I used to donate to them every year – until about 10 years ago when my wife and I realised how bad they had become.
I’d like to claim those donations back, as I believe they were fraudulent in their donation promotions. This latest outburst confirms that.

Chris D.

It’s the paragraph preceding the quote above that troubles me most:
“Emerging battle-bruised from the disaster zone of Copenhagen, but ever-hopeful, a rider on horseback brought news of darkness and light: “The politicians have failed. Now it’s up to us. We must break the law to make the laws we need: laws that are supposed to protect society, and protect our future. Until our laws do that, screw being climate lobbyists. Screw being climate activists. It’s not working. We need an army of climate outlaws.”

Benjamin

“It’s time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism.”
Don’t they mean financial carbon dioxide? Or is oxygen now a problem as well?
Anyway, I suggest they start at the post office because all those Big Oil checks we skeptics are supposed to get have apparently been lost in the mail for some time now.
I’m still waiting for mine! Anyone here get there’s yet?! Man, this is it… We need to band together and strike Big Oil hard for the money they owe us!
(jumps up on soapbox) WHO’S WITH ME?!
🙂

Paul

further proof that they know the agenda is divorced from the science. Now it is down to threats. Well just for the record, you better bring a bunch with ya.

Chris

Bruckner8,
Who can turn their eyes away from a trainwreck, particularly one in slow-motion?

OT but over at AMSU-A the cooling trend has kicked in something awful. I kid you not, it says that sea surface temps today are 530.07 degrees cooler than this day last year.
http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps/

Doug in Seattle

Not that Greenpeace in India is all that different from its counterparts elsewhere, but you know this will written off as just some small timers in a far off land with no real connection to big boys in NY and London.

wayne


GreenPeace’s public threat:
[…]
The proper channels have failed. It’s time for mass civil disobedience to cut off the financial oxygen from denial and skepticism.
If you’re one of those who believe that this is not just necessary but also possible, speak to us. Let’s talk about what that mass civil disobedience is going to look like.
If you’re one of those who have spent their lives undermining progressive climate legislation, bankrolling junk science, fueling spurious debates around false solutions, and cattle-prodding democratically-elected governments into submission, then hear this:
We know who you are. We know where you live. We know where you work.
And we be many, but you be few.

— — — —
Thank you Anthony for putting this article up for the world to see bright and clear what type of people populate these radical environmentalist camps.
My hope is that all politicians and law enforcement arms of the governments can finally see clearly what these people they are harboring in these radical environmentalist camps by giving them an air of legitimacy in the media and as lobbyists. They are not legitimate organizations but instead follow classic mafia tactics and must be rubbed out of any civil nation.

Steve Oregon

Now now.
I’m sure they’d say this no different than Sarah Palin “targetting” Democrats for removal from office.
I sense the battle heating up.
On the economic front it appears more and more people are using their money, business and jobs to wage the bloodless civil some have predicted.

Pacer

davidmhoffer (20:05:25) :
I have been working all Easter weekend and wish I could summon my brain to utter something more substantial then “Well Done”. It would have taken me years to stich together your “sense of things” which I heartily endorse. What an incredible indictment of Greenpeace and those like them.

Dr A Burns

Chris D. (20:15:00) :
Just before that para:
“We need to join forces with those within the climate movement that are taking direct action to disrupt the CO2 supply chain. ”
I suppose this means they will be only operating at night and walking while holding their breath. Sounds like a brief protest.