Trust and Mistrust

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Following up on the excellent initiative of Dr. Judith Curry (see Judith’s post and my response ), I would like to see what I can do to rebuild the justifiably lost trust in climate science. I want to bring some clarity to terms which are used all the time but which don’t seem to have an agreed upon meaning. In the process, I want to detail my own beliefs about the climate and how it works.

Figure 1. Dr Judith Curry tries to warn the greenhouse warming scientists … from Cartoons By Josh.

I don’t know about you, but I’m weary of the vague statements that characterise many of the discussions about climate change. These range from the subtle to the ridiculous. An example would be “I believe in climate change”. Given that the climate has been changing since there has been climate, what does that mean?

We also hear that there is a “consensus” … but when you ask for the actual content of the consensus, what exactly are the shared beliefs, a great silence ensues.

Often we see people being called unpleasant terms like “deniers”, with the ugly overtones of “Holocaust deniers”. I’ve been called that myself many times … but what is it that I am being accused of denying?

In an attempt to cut through the mashed potatoes and get to the meat, let me explain in question and answer format what I believe, and provide some citations for my claims. (These are only indicative citations from among many I could provide on each topic.) I will also indicate how much scientific agreement I think there is on the questions. First, some introductory questions.

Preface Question 1. Do you consider yourself an environmentalist?

I bring this up to get rid of the canard that people who don’t believe the “consensus science” on global warming are evil people who don’t care about the planet. I am a passionate environmentalist, and I have been so since 1962 when I first read Silent Spring upon its publication. I believe that we have an obligation to respect the natural ecosystems that we live among. My reasons are simple. First, we have a responsibility to be good guests and good stewards here on this amazing planet. Second, I worked extensively in my life as a commercial fisherman, and I would like for my grandchildren to have the same opportunity. The only way to do this is to monitor and be careful with our effects on the earth and the biosphere.

Preface Question 2. What single word would you choose to describe your position on climate science?

Heretic. I am neither an anthopogenic global warming (AGW) supporter nor a skeptic, I believe the entire current climate paradigm is incorrect.

Question 1. Does the earth have a preferred temperature which is actively maintained by the climate system?

To me this is the question that we should answer first. I believe that the answer is yes. Despite millennia-long volcanic eruptions, despite being struck by monstrous asteroids, despite changes in the position of the continents, as near as we can tell the average temperature of the earth has only varied by about plus or minus three percent in the last half-billion years. Over the last ten thousand years, the temperature has only varied by plus or minus one percent. Over the last 150 years, the average temperature has only varied by plus or minus 0.3%.  For a system as complex and ever-changing as the climate, this is nothing short of astounding.

Before asking any other questions about the climate, we must ask why the climate has been so stable. Until we answer that question, trying to calculate the climate sensitivity is an exercise in futility.

I have explained in “The Thermostat Hypothesis” what I think is the mechanism responsible for this unexplained stability. My explanation may be wrong, but there must be some mechanism which has kept the global temperature within plus or minus 1% for ten thousand years.

I am, however, definitely in the minority with this opinion.

Question 2. Regarding human effects on climate, what is the null hypothesis?

If we are trying to see if humans have affected the climate, the null hypothesis has to be that any changes in the climate (e.g. changes in temperature, rainfall, snow extent, sea ice coverage, drought occurrence and severity) are due to natural variations.

Question 3. What observations tend to support or reject the null hypothesis?

As I show in “Congenital Climate Abnormalities”, not only are there no “fingerprints” of human effects in the records, but I find nothing that is in any way unusual or anomalous. Yes, the earth’s temperature is changing slightly … but that has been true since the earth has had a temperature.

There is no indication that the recent warming is any different from past warmings. There is more and more evidence that the Medieval Warm period was widespread, and  that it was warmer than the present.  The Greenland ice cores show that we are at the cold end of the Holocene (the current inter-glacial period). There have been no significant changes in rainfall, floods, sea level rise, Arctic temperatures, or other indicators.

In short, I find no climate metrics that show anything which is anomalous or outside of historical natural variations. In the absence of such evidence, we cannot reject the null hypothesis.

Question 4. Is the globe warming?

This is a trick question. It is a perfect example of a frequently asked question which is totally meaningless. It shows up all the time on public opinion polls, but it is devoid of meaning. To make it meaningful, it needs to have a time period attached to it. Here are some examples of my views on the question:

1 During the last century, the earth warmed slightly (less than 1°C).

2 The earth has generally cooled over the last 12,000 years. We are currently at the cold end of the Holocene (the period since the end of the last Ice Age. See the Greenland and Vostok ice records.

3 The earth has generally warmed since the depths of the Little Ice Age around 1650, at a rate somewhere around a half a degree Celsius per century. See Akasufo, the Central England Temperature (CET), and the Armagh records.

4 The largest warming in any instrumental record occurred around 1680 – 1730. See the CET and Armagh records.

5 The earth was either stable or cooled slightly from about 1945 to 1975.

6 The earth warmed slightly from about 1975 to 1998.

7 There has been no significant warming from 1995 to the present (Feb. 2010). See The Reference Frame Phil Jones.

I would say that there is widespread scientific agreement on the existence of these general trends. The amount of the warming, however, is far less certain. There is current controversy about both the accuracy of the adjustments to the temperature measurements and the strength of local effects (UHI, poor station siting, warmth from irrigation, etc.). See e.g. McKitrick, Spencer, Christy and Norris, Ladochy et al.., Watts, SurfaceStations, and Jones on these questions.

Question 5. Are humans responsible for global warming?

This is another trick question that often shows up on polls. The question suffers from two problems. First is the lack of a time period discussed above. The second is the question of the amount of responsibility. Generally, the period under discussion is the post-1900 warming. So let me rephrase the question as “Are humans responsible for some part of the late 20th century warming?”

To this question I would say “Yes”. Again, there is widespread scientific agreement on that simplistic question, but as usual, the devil is in the details discussed in Question 4.

Question 6. If the answer to Question 5 is “Yes”, how are humans affecting the climate?

I think that humans affect the climate in two main ways. The first is changes in land use/land cover, or what is called “LU/LC”. I believe that when you cut down a forest, you cut down the clouds. This mechanism has been implicated in e.g. the decline in the Kilimanjaro Glacier. When you introduce widespread irrigation, the additional water vapor both warms and moderates the climate. When you pave a parking lot, local temperatures rise. See e.g. Christie and Norris, Fall et al., Kilimanjaro.

The second main way humans affect climate is through soot, which I will broadly define as black and brown carbon. Black carbon comes mostly from burning of fossil fuels, while brown carbon comes mostly from the burning of biofuels. This affects the climate in two ways. In the air, the soot absorbs incoming solar radiation, and prevents it from striking the ground. This reduces the local temperature. In addition, when soot settles out on ice and snow, it accelerates the melting of the ice and snow. This increases the local temperature by reducing the surface albedo. See e.g. Jacobson.

There is little scientific agreement on this question. A number of scientists implicate greenhouse gases as the largest contributor. Other scientists say that LU/LC is the major mover. The IPCC places values on these and other so-called “forcings”, but it admits that our scientific understanding of many of forcings is “low”.

Question 7. How much of the post 1980 temperature change is due to human activities?

Here we get into very murky waters. Is the overall balance of the warming and cooling effects of soot a warming or a cooling? I don’t know, and there is little scientific agreement on the effect of soot. In addition, as shown above there is no indication that the post 1980 temperature rise is in any way unusual. It is not statistically different from earlier periods of warming. As a result, I believe that humans have had little effect on the climate, other than locally. There is little scientific agreement on this question.

Next, some more general and theoretical questions.

Question 8. Does the evidence from the climate models show that humans are responsible for changes in the climate?

This is another trick question. Climate models do not produce evidence. Evidence is observable and measurable data about the real world. Climate model results are nothing more than the beliefs and prejudices of the programmers made tangible. While the results of climate models can be interesting and informative, they are not evidence.

Question 9. Are the models capable of projecting climate changes for 100 years?

My answer to this is a resounding “no”. The claim is often made that it is easier to project long-term climate changes than short-term weather changes. I see no reason to believe that is true. The IPCC says:

“Projecting changes in climate due to changes in greenhouse gases 50 years from now is a very different and much more easily solved problem than forecasting weather patterns just weeks from now. To put it another way, long-term variations brought about by changes in the composition of the atmosphere are much more predictable than individual weather events.” [from page 105, 2007 IPCC WG1, FAQ 1.2]

To me, that seems very doubtful. The problem with that theory is that climate models have to deal with many more variables than weather models. They have to model all of the variables that weather models contain, plus:

• Land biology

• Sea biology

• Ocean currents

• Ground freezing and thawing

• Changes in sea ice extent and area

• Aerosol changes

• Changes in solar intensity

• Average volcanic effects

• Snow accumulation, area, melt, and sublimation

• Effect of melt water pooling on ice

• Freezing and thawing of lakes

• Changes in oceanic salinity

• Changes in ice cap and glacier thickness and extent

• Changes in atmospheric trace gases

• Variations in soil moisture

• Alterations in land use/land cover

• Interactions between all of the above

• Mechanisms which tend to maximise the sum of work and entropy according to the Constructal Law.

How can a more complex situation be modeled more easily and accurately than a simpler situation? That makes no sense at all.

Next, the problem with weather models has been clearly identified as the fact that weather is chaotic. This means that no matter how well the model starts out, within a short time it will go off the rails. But the same is true for climate, it is also chaotic. Thus, there is no reason to assume that we can predict it any better than we can predict the weather. See Mandelbrot on the chaotic nature of climate.

Finally, climate models have done very poorly in the short-term. There has been no statistically significant warming in the last fifteen years. This was not predicted by a single climate model. People keep saying that the models do well in the long-term … but no one has ever identified when the changeover occurs. Are they unreliable up to twenty-five years and reliable thereafter? Fifty years?

Question 10. Are current climate theories capable of explaining the observations?

Again I say no. For example, the prevailing theory is that forcing is linearly related to climate, such that a change of X in forcing results in a change of Y in temperature. The size of this temperature change resulting from a given forcing is called the “climate sensitivity”. In 1980, based on early simple computer climate models, the temperature resulting from a change in forcing of 3.7 watts per square meter (W/m2) was estimated to result in a temperature change of between 1.5 and 4.5 degrees Celsius. See e.g. Green and Armstrong 2007.

Since 1980, there has been a huge increase in computing power. Since 1980, there has also been a huge increase in the size and complexity of computer models. Since 1980, thousands of man hours and billions of dollars have been thrown at this question. Despite these advances, the modern estimate of the climate sensitivity is almost unchanged from its 1980 value.

To me, this lack of any advance in accuracy indicates that we have an incorrect understanding of the forces governing the climate. Otherwise, our bigger, faster and better models would have narrowed the uncertainty of the climate sensitivity. But they have not.

Question 11. Is the science settled?

To this one I would answer no, no, a thousand times no. We are just a the beginning of the study of climate. New information and new theories and new forcings are put forward on a regular basis. See e.g. Lu. The data is poor, short, and full of holes. The signal is tiny and buried in a huge amount of noise. We don’t know if the earth has a thermostat. In short, the study of climate is an infant science which is still poorly understood.

Question 12. Is climate science a physical science?

Well, sort of. It is a very strange science, in that to my knowledge it is the only physical science whose object of study is not a thing, not a physical object or phenomenon, but an average. This is because climate is defined as the average of weather over a suitably long period of time (usually taken to be 30 years.) The implications of this are not widely appreciated. Inter alia, it means that statistics is one of the most important parts of climate science.

Unfortunately, a number of what I might call the “leading blights” of climate science, like Michael Mann with his HockeySchtick, have only the most rudimentary understanding of statistics. This initially got him into trouble in his foray into the area of paleoclimate statistics, trouble which he has only compounded by his later statistical errors.

Question 13. Is the current peer-review system inadequate, and if so, how can it be improved?

There are a number of problems with the current peer-review system, some of which are highlighted in the abuses of that system revealed in the CRU emails.

There are several easy changes we could make in peer review that would help things immensely:

1. Publish the names of the reviewers and their reviews along with the paper. The reviews are just as important as the paper, as they reveal the views of other scientists on the issues covered. This will stop the “stab in the back in the dark” kind of reviewing highlighted in the CRU emails.

2. Do not reveal the names of the authors to the reviewers. While some may be able to guess the names from various clues in the paper, the reviews should be “double-blind” (neither side knows the names of the others) until publication.

3. Do the reviewing online, in a password protected area. This will allow each reviewer to read, learn from, and discuss the reviews of others in real time. The process often takes way too long, and consists of monologues rather than a round-table discussion of the problems with the paper.

4. Include more reviewers. The CRU emails show that peer review is often just an “old-boys club”, with the reviewing done by two or three friends of the author. Each journal should allow a wide variety of scientists to comment on pending papers. This should include scientists from other disciplines. For example, climate science has suffered greatly from a lack of statisticians reviewing papers. As noted above, much of climate science is statistical analysis, yet on many papers either none or only the most cursory statistical review has been done. Also, engineers should be invited to review papers as well. Many theories would benefit from practical experience. Finally, “citizen scientists” such as myself should not be excluded from the process. The journals should solicit as wide a range of views on the subject as they can. This can only help the peer review process.

5. The journals must insist on the publication of data and computer codes. A verbal description of what mathematics has been done is totally inadequate. As we saw in the “HockeyStick”, what someone thinks or says they have done may not be what they actually did. Only an examination of the code can reveal that. Like my high science teacher used to say, “Show your work.”

Question 14. Regarding climate, what action (if any) should we take at this point?

I disagree with those who say that the “precautionary principle” means that we should act now. I detail my reasons for this assertion at “Climate Caution and Precaution”.  At that page I also list the type of actions that we should be taking, which are “no regrets” actions. These are actions which will have beneficial results whether or not the earth is warming.

So that is where I stand on the climate questions. I think that the earth actively maintains a preferred temperature. I think that man is having an effect on local climate in various places, but that globally man’s effect is swamped by the regulating action of clouds and thunderstorms. I think that the local effect is mainly through LU/LC changes and soot. I think that the climate regulating mechanism is much stronger than either of these forcings and is stronger than CO2 forcing. I think that at this point the actions we should take are “no regrets” actions.

Does that make me a “denier”? And if so, what am I denying?

Finally, I would like to invite Dr. Judith Curry in particular, and any other interested scientists, to publicly answer these same questions here on Watts Up With That. There has been far too much misunderstanding of everyone’s position on these important issues. A clear statement of what each of us thinks about the climate and the science will go a long way towards making the discussion both more focused and more pleasant, and perhaps it will tend to heal the well-earned distrust that many have of climate science.

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Sera
April 3, 2010 10:34 pm

“So for me, a conservamentalist is someone who has thought hard about and balanced the needs for …”
That sounds like a conservationist- someone who knows the ramifications of his/her actions. A preservationist neither adds nor subtracts- status quo, keeps it the same (usually historic buildings, landmarks, battlefields etc.). I agree with Jeff ID (tAV) that the term ‘enviromentalist’ has become a catch-all for people who are neither conservationists nor preservationists. Enviromentalists are those who wish to do something good and righteous, yet do not know how to do so.
‘Conservamentalst’ sounds evil, but it’s still funny as hell- Thanks.

intrepid_wanders
April 3, 2010 11:43 pm

M.
Over several days I have observed your protestas to the most asinine. Please use a traditional format like an essay or something that has a substance of a serious discussion. I am sure that not many are interested in listening to anyside of your arguement, unless it is phrased in anything that has a level of civility.
We all know you have questions and doubts. Quite honestly, I have a certainty level of things on the basic level, that raise questions. The most poignant is the amount of “stuff” (not to be confused with “just” CO2) that is injected into the earath “system”, what are the effects? A lot of “baby-boomers” seem to chase whatever this anti-magic pollutant may be over many years (Asbestos, DDT, Tobacco, CFC’s, Genetic Mods CO2, etc.). All of these “Thalidomide” like drugs or alterations of “nature” were seen as some sort of “rider of the apocalypse”, but many are of benefit. Sometimes antibiotics, other times they are the respiration exhaust of one animal to their symbiotic plant. Anyhow…
Anyone that has the arrogance of thinking that they have the answers to all things must always be questioned. The current generation in power created the slogan “Question Authority”. The problem comes into play when the slogan-slingers come into power (through the political process) and, hey, guess what?
One can not have it all. Entertainers are rarely intellectuals. They are more agreeable to us at the end of the day, but one must think for themself. If the majority agree on anything, it must be questioned.

anna v
April 4, 2010 1:46 am

Re: Willis Eschenbach (Apr 3 20:55),
With you on this too.
Life eats life. Me, I don’t take killing anything lightly, be it redwood or herring or salmon. Someday, I’ll be chopped down in the same way.
And be eaten up in our turn, if buried. If burned, which is illegal in Greece btw, the atoms and molecules are returned to the next biological cycle.
I will post here a poem I have written, almost OT but what the heck, it is Easter and also my 70th birthday :
Death, where is thy sting?
(Or,
in the midst of life we are in death)

A rider on death
I am,
I walk
and thousands of cells
immolate themselves
on the soles of my feet
happy to become
the next layer of my caluses.

I eat
and millions of cells
on my digestive track
are sloughed off
to give way to a fresh
and ever ready layer.

I sleep
and the levels of my ego
die
and lose their way
in labyrinthine convolutions
of impossible illusions
reborn
anew in the morn;
or maybe not.

I age.
Where is the two year old
making mudpies,
Where is the teenager
aggressively opening
life’s oysters?
Where is the young mother
of infinite patience
delighting
in those lovely babies?

Where is the woman
mature and powerful?
Where is the crone
white haired and wise?

I am riding the wave
of deaths past
and reining in
with a sure untutored hand
numberless deaths in the future,
the certain resurrection only
on the crest
of the here and now,
each breath
each blink of the eye
each thought.

Reply: Happy Birthday Ms. V! ~ ctm

Sera
April 4, 2010 3:15 am

Happy B/Day anna v- thanks again for the Koutsoyiannas paper.
Happy Easter to everyone!
CTM- Have you hidden the eggs yet? Behind the decline?

anna v
April 4, 2010 3:50 am

Thanks, CTM and Sera

Richard S Courtney
April 4, 2010 11:05 am

barry:
I am replying to your post at (19:19:02).
I and others have repeatedly tried to explain to you that you are misunderstanding the nature of significance at 95% (or other degree) of confidence.
The confidence is determined from the errors of the data sets. Similar data sets provide similar confidence but disimilar data sets do not. Therefore, different sizes of otherwise similar data sets provide dissimilar confidence levels.
The global temperature data from 1980 to 1995 are a similar data set to the global temperature data from 1995 to 2010. But the global temperature data from 1993 to 2010 contains more information than both of these data sets so is NOT similar to either of them.
Therefore, it is correct to compare
(a)
the trend (at 95% confidence) of global temperature for the period 1995 to 2010
to
(b)
the trend (at 95% confidence) of global temperature for the period 1980 to 1995.
But it is NOT correct to compare either of those trends to the trend (at 95% confidence) of global temperature for the period 1993 to 2010 because this period is not the same length: it would be a comparison of ‘chalk and cheese’.
The important facts are as follows.
The trend of global temperature for the period 1980 to 1995 is positive and is significant at 95% confidence.
And
the trend of global temperature for the period 1995 to 2010 is NOT significant at 95% confidence.
Therefore, as I said,
“it is a certain fact that the data sets of global temperature show global warming (a) has significantly reduced or (b) has stopped or (c) has reversed to become global cooling since 1995.”
I do not know how to explain this to you more clearly. So, if you still fail to understand it then I suggest that you refer to a primer on statistics.
Richard

April 4, 2010 11:05 am

“I am surprised at the visceral nature of the rejection of the term “environmentalist”. I had not realized it had gotten that bad. I don’t think I’d want to be one of those if that’s how people feel.”
I’ve always been interested or bothered about the environment. In the late 80’s I remember winning a high-school debate on global warming. Think about it for a minute with me – late 80s when Jones was writing his UHI paper, they were getting school children ‘educated’ on global warming! Was it ‘settled science’ enough, was it an established fundamental principle of science then that it needed to be taught to school children?
In other words, my inner child was dropped on its head by global warming. 🙂

barry
April 4, 2010 8:57 pm

Richard,
the trend of global temperature for the period 1995 to 2010 is NOT significant at 95% confidence.
Therefore, as I said,
“it is a certain fact that the data sets of global temperature show global warming (a) has significantly reduced or (b) has stopped or (c) has reversed to become global cooling since 1995.”

You are using the word ‘significance’ in its statistical sense in the first paragraph, and in its qualitative, everyday sense in the second.

Yet another common pitfall often happens when a researcher writes the qualified statement “we found no statistically significant difference,” which is then misquoted by others as “they found that there was no [significant] difference.” Actually, statistics cannot be used to prove that there is exactly [no significant] difference between two populations. Failing to find evidence that there is a difference does not constitute evidence that there is no difference. This principle is sometimes described by the maxim “Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance
You cannot make a definitive claim (of any type) on data that fails statistical validation (95% confidence). This is the point upon which the question put to Jones rests.

A null hypothesis is a hypothesis (within the frequentist context of statistical hypothesis testing) that might be falsified using a test of observed data. Such a test works by formulating a null hypothesis, collecting data, and calculating a measure of how probable those data were assuming the null hypothesis were true. If the data appear very improbable (usually defined as a type of data that should be observed less than 5% of the time) then the experimenter concludes that the null hypothesis is false. If the data look reasonable under the null hypothesis, then no conclusion is made. In this case, the null hypothesis could be true, or it could still be false; the data give insufficient evidence to make any conclusion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Null_hypothesis
The following two statements are quantitatively and qualitatively different.
“There has been no statistically significant warming since 1995”
“There has been no significant warming since 1995”
You appear to conflate them.
Claiming that a trend is reduced because it is not statistically robust to the 95% level is completely invalid. There is no mathematical basis for it. Statistical insignificance of a trend does not mean that a trend is ‘less’ or ‘more’, only that the derived trend is not certain.
1980 – 1995 has nothing to do with it. It is possible that between two different data sets with the same amount of data one, may fail null hypothesis and one may not. That is a product of differences in the range of distribution. I think you are trying to say this, but it doesn’t have any impact on my point re the wording of the question, Jones’ response to it, and the false interpretations of both.

maksimovich
April 4, 2010 11:58 pm

An important observation is that in the arguments pro/contra etc of the Agw is almost completely on the inhomogeneity of the Temperature record,paleo reconstructions etc or integrated states and inversions enso etc,
In an interesting twist we have a theorem that challenges the mathematical physics of the meteorological and climate communities and in the abstract details a significant problem for the models such as Emmanuel etc.
Makarieva A.M., Gorshkov V.G., Li B.-L., Nobre A.D. (2010) A critique of some modern applications of the Carnot heat engine concept: the dissipative heat engine cannot exist. Proceedings of the Royal Society Series A
Abstract
In several recent studies, a heat engine operating on the basis of the Carnot cycle is considered, where the mechanical work performed by the engine is dissipated within the engine at the temperature of the warmer isotherm and the resulting heat is added to the engine together with an external heat input.This internal dissipation is supposed to increase the total heat input to the engine and elevate the amount of mechanical work produced by the engine per cycle. Here it is argued that such a dissipative heat engine violates the laws of thermodynamics. The existing physical models employing the dissipative heat engine concept,in particular the heat engine model of hurricane development, need to be revised.
http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2010/01/18/rspa.2009.0581
Anastassia provides some background notes.
The critique presented in this paper has a rich history, see here. Its major goal is to make space for a constructive consideration of the rich physics of the condensation-induced atmospheric dynamics — the major physical principle of the biotic pump of atmospheric moisture. In the press release devoted to this paper we wrote:
In a quest to understand the nature of atmospheric motions, a thermodynamic view on the atmosphere as a heat engine of some kind has become quite wide-spread. In our work we show that the dissipative heat engine where mechanical work output is supposed to grow due to internal dissipation of work produced in the previous cycles, is thermodynamically inconsistent and cannot exist. Our results indicate that the models employing the dissipative heat engine, in particular, the hurricane model of K. Emanuel, are incorrect.
This paper belongs to the series of papers on a new physical mechanism of atmospheric dynamics developed by our group. The physical core of this mechanism consists in the fact that condensation of water vapor reduces air pressure via removal of vapor from the gas phase. This leads to formation of spatial pressure gradients and thus initiates atmospheric circulation on a variety of spatial and temporal scales. In another recent paper published in November 2009 in Physics Letters A, Condensation-induced kinematics and dynamics of cyclones, hurricanes and tornadoes, it was shown that this approach yields a unified quantitative description of hurricanes and tornadoes.
However, the most important implication of the new approach concerns the role of forests in sustaining the water cycle on land. Since condensation reduces air pressure, intense condensation of water vapor associated with evapotranspiration of natural forests creates regional areas of low pressure. In the result, moist air flows from the adjacent ocean to the continent, thus compensating for the loss of water to the ocean via the river runoff. Deforestation reverses the ocean-to-land atmospheric moisture flow thus locking the continent for ocean moisture and induces rapid desertification. Conversely, restoration of a contiguous, spatially significant forest cover protects the continent against extreme weather events like both floods and droughts.
These ideas are new to the meteorological community and have been met with some resistance. This prompted us to take a critical approach to the established meteorological lines of thought (like viewing the hurricanes as a heat engine) to show that they do not provide a satisfactory explanation of the atmospheric phenomena and that there are both space and need for developing new theories.
In connection to the recently hacked CRU e-mails, the community of climate scientists has been criticized for possible distortions of the peer-review process that would keep unorthodox ideas out of the mainstream literature. In our view, our critical paper in the Proceedings of the Royal Society Series A might be a good opportunity for external observers to follow how the mainstream climate science would respond to a critique of its physical fundamentals and to what degree it is receptive to new ideas in atmospheric physics.

This is a interesting challenge to the aforementioned practitioners ,and it will be useful to see how it unfolds.

barry
April 5, 2010 12:36 am

For the tropics (overall as well as land and ocean separately), there has been no statistically significant warming over the entire period of the satellite record
Willis, what is the statistical confidence level for the 31 years
UAH tropical trend? I think you mean ‘significant’ in its everyday form, don’t you?
In the UAH data, there are 196 different 180 month (15 year) time periods. Of these, 14% show statistically significant warming. So clearly fifteen years is “long enough for statistical significance”.
According to your stats, it would appear that this is not generally the case (only 14% of the samples). If OTOH you are arguing that 15 years is “clearly long enough”, then Jones is wrong, and 1995 – 2009 warming is statistically significant. (I know it isn’t)
But your observations on UAH seem like a red herring to me. Jones was talking about the CRU data set. As you point out, length is only one of the variables. UAH lower troposphere has greater variance, for example.

Richard S Courtney
April 5, 2010 3:43 am

barry (20:57:26) :
You assert to me:
“The following two statements are quantitatively and qualitatively different.
“There has been no statistically significant warming since 1995″
“There has been no significant warming since 1995″
You appear to conflate them.”
NO! I do NOT “conflate them” and I do NOT “appear to conflate them”.
It is clear that you fail to understand the meaning of ‘significance’. So, I will again try to give you a brief explnation of it.
An assertion of “no significant warming” is meaningless in the absence of a statement of the DEGREE of significance that is assessed. This is because a statistical analysis assesses whether an effect has an imposed amount of significance. So, for example, something may not be ‘significant at 95% confidence’ but, may be ‘significant at 90% confidence’.
Please read my post at (11:05:50) that you are answering. I say there:
“The trend of global temperature for the period 1980 to 1995 is positive and is significant at 95% confidence.
And
the trend of global temperature for the period 1995 to 2010 is NOT significant at 95% confidence.
Therefore, as I said,
“it is a certain fact that the data sets of global temperature show global warming (a) has significantly reduced or (b) has stopped or (c) has reversed to become global cooling since 1995.”
No rational thought can conclude that my points (a) to (c) are akin to saying, “There has been no significant warming since 1995”. Indeed, my point (a) specifically states that warming may have happened since 1995.
I repeat my suggestion to you in that post; viz.
“I do not know how to explain this to you more clearly. So, if you still fail to understand it then I suggest that you refer to a primer on statistics.”
Richard

Peter Fluck
April 5, 2010 8:13 am

Here the average temperature has increased from 10C to 11C. A 10%increase! But at a place in the North of Sweden it has gone up from 1C to 2C – wow! a massive 100% rise. Let’s find a place with an infinite percentge rise, say from 0C to 1C.
Can someone please explain to me what, if anything, average temp changes expressed in percentage terms actually mean?

DirkH
April 5, 2010 12:14 pm

“Phil M (16:58:32) :
[…]
Where does hansen say “beliefs”? Is Willis a chief exec of a large fossil fuel company? At least under Hansen, they would get a trial. Under Bob Carter the IPCC would be outright killed:
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/stories/s2764827.htm

I found a more complete version of that essay here:
http://www.quadrant.org.au/blogs/doomed-planet/2009/12/scam-of-the-century
For anyone interested, no, Bob Carter doesn’t want anyone killed.

Vincent
April 5, 2010 1:45 pm

DirkH (12:14:29) :
“Phil M (16:58:32) :
[…]
Where does hansen say “beliefs”? Is Willis a chief exec of a large fossil fuel company? At least under Hansen, they would get a trial.
It may mean that Willis would not be put on trial under Hansen’s law. I pray that is the case.

April 6, 2010 7:39 am

Adding my thanks to Willis for his excellent analysis, I note that he speaks of ‘evidence’ and ‘belief’ rather than ‘facts’ and ‘truth’, and even says ‘In short, the study of climate is an infant science which is still poorly understood.’ I fully agree, and I would say that this sounds very much like Post-Normal Science where ‘facts are uncertain, values in dispute, stakes high and decisions urgent’, and where the corruptions of the mainstream scientists were exposed by the ‘extended peer community’ operating on the blogosphere, led by people like Willis himself. Or have I got something wrong again?

Richard S Courtney
April 6, 2010 1:25 pm

Jerome Ravetz (07:39:13) :
I hope you will accept my thanks for your gracious post.
You have had several severe pastings here from those (including me) who dispute PNS and especially from Willis.
It is gratifying to see proper search for determination of scientific disagreement and agreement.
I still disagree with PNS but I respect your engagement with those – like Willis – who have publicly stated their disagreement with it.
Again, thankyou.
Richard

Phil M
April 6, 2010 11:12 pm

DirkH (12:14:29)
“For anyone interested, no, Bob Carter doesn’t want anyone killed”
The title of the story in that ABC link from Cater was “Kill the IPCC”. Cant get much straight forward than that in inciting violence. Sure he is talking about the institution, but some people take things too far in their fervour to please.
“and rather than deal with the impropriety of a government official calling for kangaroo trials for someone he disagrees with”
He was calling for trials for the CEO’s of fossil fuel companies for, in his words ” actively spreading doubt about global warming in the same way that tobacco companies blurred the links between smoking and cancer “.
There is ample evidence of the propaganda, lobying & pr war being fought by fossil fuel companies & if you are pretending it doesnt exist & the impacts such actions can cause are non existant, you are being deliberately ignorant.
“Oddly enough, for the last two years that was my job, Chief Financial Officer for the largest oil importation and distribution company in the Solomon Islands. …..So what? What does my work have to do with anything?”
So naturaly, you would assume that the chief financial officer of Greenpeace, would be totaly independant in thoughts, actions & beliefs & would in no way be affected by the ideology of the company he/she worked for? Get real.
” There’s nothing too over-the-top for you to accuse someone of, no claim too outrageous for you ”
Strangely Willis, you dont see the irony in that statement.

Phil Jourdan
April 7, 2010 8:15 am

Phil M (23:12:53) :
The title of the story in that ABC link from Cater was “Kill the IPCC”. Cant get much straight forward than that in inciting violence. Sure he is talking about the institution, but some people take things too far in their fervour to please.

Yes, and I can see where the Tea Partiers are murders because they were yelling “kill the bill”. I guess we should lock up Martin Scorcese for inciting John Hinkley to shoot Pres. Reagan as well?
For those who can’t tell the above is just sarcasm. As the quoted premise is just too stupid for a rational answer.