The London Times is reporting:
“The chairman of the leading climate change watchdog was informed that claims about melting Himalayan glaciers were false before the Copenhagen summit, The Times has learnt.
Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. He failed to act despite learning that the claim had been refuted by several leading glaciologists.”
See the Times article here
And from Richard North at The EU Referendum, this video news report link and his commentary:
Less than a week after he claimed the IPCC’s credibility had increased as a result of its handling of the “Glaciergate” scandal, Pachauri’s own personal credibility lies in tatters as The Times accuses him of a direct lie.
This is about when he first became aware of the false claim over the melting glaciers, Pachauri’s version on 22 January being that he had only known about it “for a few days” – i.e., after it had appeared in The Sunday Times.
However, Ben Webster writes that a prominent science journalist, Pallava Bagla – who works for the Science journal (and NDTV as its science correspondent) – claims that last November he had informed Pachauri that Graham Cogley, a professor at Ontario Trent University and a leading glaciologist, had dismissed the 2035 date as being wrong by at least 300 years. Pachauri had replied: “I don’t have anything to add on glaciers.”
Bagla interviewed Dr Pachauri again this week and asked him why he had decided to overlook the error before the Copenhagen summit. In the taped interview, he asked: “I pointed it out [the error] to you in several e-mails, several discussions, yet you decided to overlook it. Was that so that you did not want to destabilise what was happening in Copenhagen?”
Dr Pachauri replied: “Not at all, not at all. As it happens, we were all terribly preoccupied with a lot of events. We were working round the clock with several things that had to be done in Copenhagen. It was only when the story broke, I think in December, we decided to, well, early this month — as a matter of fact, I can give you the exact dates — early in January that we decided to go into it and we moved very fast.”
According to Pachauri, “… within three or four days, we were able to come up with a clear and a very honest and objective assessment of what had happened. So I think this presumption on your part or on the part of any others is totally wrong. We are certainly never — and I can say this categorically — ever going to do anything other than what is truthful and what upholds the veracity of science.”
Without even Bagla’s input, we know this to be lies. Apart from anything else, there was the crisis meeting under the aegis of UNEP – which we reported on Thursday – which concluded that the 2035 claim “does not appear to be based upon any scientific studies and therefore has no foundation”.
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DennisA (02:17:44) :
You can hire Al Gore here: http://www.harrywalker.com/speaker/Al-Gore.cfm?Spea_ID=649
Could he be hired for a “Celebrity Dunk Tank” at a carnival?
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Yes!!!!!!!!!!! I’ll hold a bake sale to raise some cash. Who’s in?
Update on BBC Bias.
http://www.professionalpensions.com/professional-pensions/news/1440290/iigcc-calls-urgent-changes-encourage-institutional-investment
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Professional Pensions | 19 May 2009 | 01:00
Categories: Investment
Carbon markets need urgent changes in order to encourage institutional investment and the development of a low-carbon economy, the Institutional Investor Group on Climate Change says.
The group is calling for strong price signals and caps on carbon emissions that will encourage scarcity and demand.”
IIGCC chairman and BBC head of pensions investment Peter Dunscombe said: “The credibility of emissions trading schemes would be greatly improved with a robust price signal as well as clear and frequent communication from the regulator on trading data and improved transparency over direct government participation in schemes.”
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Catch that: “IIGCC chairman and BBC head of pensions investment Peter Dunscombe…”
I would say that the BBC has a major non-Scientific reason for their AGW Bias.
If this AGW thing does not pan out then perhaps a lot of BBC pensioners will be left ‘out in the cold’.
It is despicable how these charlatans of science are playing with the lives and futures of so many trusting people. These trusting people should pick up the phone, call their MP and get to the bottom of this before their pensions go the way of the dot-com or housing bubble.
“Can we have those Indian journalists come here to the U.S.? It seems like they actually do their jobs, ask questions, consider all sides, realize BS when they hear it and report the truth.
Most of our media? Not so much.”
The USA media is bought and paid for and has been for years. JP Morgan bought controlling interest in the 25 major newspapers ninety years ago according to the U.S. Congressional Record February 9, 1917 and nothing much has changed since then except the names.
jaymam (23:16:34) :
Michele (22:45:38) : “He didn’t believe in global warming. He got a 0.”
Would that be “anthropogenic global warming” he got a 0 for? He should believe in “global warming” since that is happening, slightly..
If schools are pushing alarmist crap the schools and names of the teachers should be published.
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Okay, let’s play ignorant. That’s fun!
What kind do you think the schools are cramming down the kids throats? Come on! Where have you been? Gore’s still brainwashing young minds with his “humans are evil and causing global peril” crap for years. Political activism has allowed this to be in the curriculum. Kids can’t don’t know math, proper English, how to think critically (ie being spoon-fed what the Unions, activists, politicians believe).
Teachers should be published?
You don’t have kids, do you? This is all mandated testing now. ALL teachers would need to be “published”. Teachers don’t have freedom to pick and choose in these mandated tests – they have no choice in the testing these days.
Beside your foggy understanding of today’s public schools, you have an odd idea of how science should be taught: “belief” in politicized propaganda.
Michele (22:45:38) :
“…O/T, but interesting – I heard a caller on a radio today say that she had to go to defend her child in school against a principle, teacher and union member because her son failed a state mandated test. Why did he fail?
He didn’t believe in global warming. He got a 0.”
I hope she has the wherewithal to take the school to court on this if needed. Feeding propaganda/religion to a child in school is sickening. If Al Gore is now pushing AGW as a religion she may have a real good case. Hope it turns into another nail in the coffin of AGW.
James F. Evans (22:49:43) :
“What if Pachuri is only a front man — for bigger fish pulling the strings…”
Of course he is only a front man. Follow the money and look at how much the World Bank and the rest of the central bankers were set to gain.
Fred (07:53:57) :
“…..So the Obama administration will be looking at an additional deficit load equal to the “lost” revenue . . . should put the USA over the $2 TRILLION annual deficit.
That should make Americans want to support CO2 reductions.”
WRONG “That should make Americans want to” find a rope and a stout tree limb. I wonder if there are enough tall cherry trees in DC…..
DennisA (02:17:44) :
You can hire Al Gore here: http://www.harrywalker.com/speaker/Al-Gore.cfm?Spea_ID=649
I would love to hire Al Gore to speak to a packed out hall. Once he was on stage, I would sneak in Lord Monckton and release him onto the stage. Carnage would ensue!
one more wheel has fallen off the wagon
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I would love to hire Al Gore to speak to a packed out hall. Once he was on stage, I would sneak in Lord Monckton and release him onto the stage. Carnage would ensue!”
It would be over in 5 minutes. And it would only take so long because the viscount is such a polite person.
First the WWF, then Greenpeace followed by Insurance companies and Event management.
Well now its Mountaineering mags and a student’s dissertation
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/environment/climatechange/7111525/UN-climate-change-panel-based-claims-on-student-dissertation-and-magazine-article.html
Pity the MSM media didn’t pick up on this before. I broke this story in my blog post on January 26, see here:
http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/un-ipcc-rotting-from-the-head-down/
where I wrote:
“For example, even the BBC correspondent, Pallava Bagla in Delhi, reported on December 5, 2009 before the summit:
The UN panel on climate change warning that Himalayan glaciers could melt to a fifth of current levels by 2035 is wildly inaccurate, an academic says…When asked how this “error” could have happened, RK Pachauri, the Indian scientist who heads the IPCC, said: “I don’t have anything to add on glaciers.”
In other words, no comment. Eventually, the IPCC had to back down and admit that the claims were lies, but not before Pachauri had added his own dissembling (exposed as a lie in the quote above) about when he first heard of the problem. The London Times reported on January 23:
Dr Pachauri also said he did not learn about the mistakes until they were reported in the media about 10 days ago, at which time he contacted other IPCC members. He denied keeping quiet about the errors to avoid disrupting the UN summit on climate change in Copenhagen, or discouraging funding for TERI’s own glacier programme.”
See the rest of the blog for evidence that the 2035 figure was debunked in the peer-reviewed literature in 2005, and previously by Jack Ives (expert on Himalayas) in 2004. But though Pachauri and TERI would have known this, as I report in the blog post:
“It was none other than R.K. Pachauri who continued to spread the lies after their exposure by Ives, as reported in Hindustan Times (New Delhi), 22 July 2006
R.K. Pachauri, who heads the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, says: “In the next 25 years half of Himalayan glaciers will be lost to warming, affecting adversely crops and people of the region.””
latitude (08:00:05) :
-“Rajendra Pachauri was told that the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change assessment that the glaciers would disappear by 2035 was wrong, but he waited two months to correct it. ”
-They knew this was wrong at the moment of conception.
-When they did not have peer reviewed papers in their hand that they were looking at.
WORSE than that – they had a peer-reviewed paper in the Himalayan Journal of Sciences in their hands in 2005 that told them it was UNTRUE, see
http://buythetruth.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/un-ipcc-rotting-from-the-head-down/
The paper is here (wait for it to load as PDF – be patient):
http://www.nepjol.info/index.php/HJS/article/view/457/447
Think of how much simpler Choo Choo’s life would be if it weren’t for all those pesky “deniers.”
He could just dictate what everybody should do and get on with his life.
The insolence of these people!
It was a dark and stormy night, and Choo-Choo was penning his novel with Shirley, when to his eyes did appear AGW-Al.
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“Revealed: the racy novel written by the world’s most powerful climate scientist
As the UN’s climate change chief, Dr Rajendra Pachauri has spent his career writing only the driest of academic articles. But the latest offering from the chairman of the UN’s climate change panel is an altogether racier tome.
Some might even suggest Dr Pachauri’s first novel is frankly smutty.
Return to Almora, published in Dr Pachauri’s native India earlier this month, tells the story of Sanjay Nath, an academic in his 60s reminiscing on his “spiritual journey” through India, Peru and the US.
On the way he encounters, among others, Shirley MacLaine, the actress, who appears as a character in the book. While relations between Sanjay and MacLaine remain platonic, he enjoys sex – a lot of sex – with a lot of women.
In breathless prose that risks making Dr Pachauri, who will be 70 this year, a laughing stock among the serious, high-minded scientists and world leaders with whom he mixes, he details sexual encounter after sexual encounter.
…Other passages in the novel involve group sex and more risqué sexual practices.
The novel was launched amid much fanfare with Bollywood stars and wealthy industrialists in attendance, a reflection of Dr Pachauri’s esteemed status in the country.
He won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2007, on behalf of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
In the acknowledgement of his novel, Dr Pachauri admits to writing the book while flying around the world between meetings as IPCC chairman or else in his capacity as head of a research institute in Delhi.
But with calls for him to resign over academic blunders in the reports he presides over, some critics will question whether he should have devoted more time to scrutinising the science behind the reports.
(Excerpt) Read more at telegraph.co.uk”
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Michelle – question:
Which state in the US was she calling from?
(you wrote: O/T, but interesting – I heard a caller on a radio today say that she had to go to defend her child in school against a principle, teacher and union member because her son failed a state mandated test. Why did he fail?)
OK, here are some revised goals, after Copenhagen, from the warmers. You need to read the comments.
http://www.grist.org/article/2010-01-28-climate-groups-grapple-for-a-path-forward-from-copenhagen/
If you click on davidmhoffer’s post you will be taken to another brilliant piece! Don’t miss it.
And thanks for the link to openthemagazine, whoever did that!
After reading an earlier post on “Glaciergate” I decided to check up the other Murari Lal references used in the IPCC AR4 WGII report. One that I found interesting is “Lal, 2003” – “Global climate change: India’s monsoon and its variability. Jour-
nal of Environmental Studies and Policy”. What’s interresting is that the journal is published by TATA Energy Research Institute (TERI) http://isid.org.in/jrnls/j57.html where Pachauri himself is a Director General http://www.terina.org/
One example where it’s referenced (Page 476): “Frequency of monsoon depressions and cyclones formation in Bay of Bengal and Arabian Sea on the decline since 1970 but intensity is increasing causing severe floods in terms of damages to life and property Lal, 2001, 2003”
From the first reference (http://www.ias.ac.in/currsci/may102001/1103.pdf) you can find that frequency of monsoons has indeed declined but to say that it’s intensity HAS increased is quite a stretch. Lal assumes in the report – from model simulations saying sea surface temperature WILL increase – that so WILL the intensity of monsoons. Notice the change of tense. No measurements to verify that is mentioned in the report.
Now I’m looking for help from English reader on the other reference to verify what’s actually sad in that one. It seems to be available in the British Library. http://direct.bl.uk/bld/PlaceOrder.do?UIN=148833805&ETOC=RN&from=searchengine
Are we looking at an monsoongate here?
Has this been posted before?
From the Times, 29 Jan 2010
British geographers find uncharted glaciers in Albania
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article7007094.ece
“the largest of which is the size of six football pitches”
For Andrew 30….moving the pawn? you mean moving the queen! Your pawns are moving too many squares each time, ever heard of guilty by association? Does not stand up in legal circles. Too many shortcuts my friend, a bit lazy on your part. Tighten all this up a bit and then it might be a useful read….
See my article on this topic at WanderingEducators.com:
http://www.wanderingeducators.com/best/traveling/crying-himalayan-meltdown.html