Climate agency going up in flames
Exit of Canada’s expert a sure sign IPCC in trouble
A catastrophic heat wave appears to be closing in on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. How hot is it getting in the scientific kitchen where they’ve been cooking the books and spicing up the stew pots? So hot, apparently, that Andrew Weaver, probably Canada’s leading climate scientist, is calling for replacement of IPCC leadership and institutional reform.
If Andrew Weaver is heading for the exits, it’s a pretty sure sign that the United Nations agency is under monumental stress.
Mr. Weaver, after all, has been a major IPCC science insider for years. He is Canada Research Chair in Climate Modelling and Analysis at the University of Victoria, mastermind of one of the most sophisticated climate modelling systems on the planet, and lead author on two recent landmark IPCC reports.
For him to say, as he told Canwest News yesterday, that there has been some “dangerous crossing” of the line between climate advocacy and science at the IPCC is stunning in itself.
Not only is Mr. Weaver an IPCC insider. He has also, over the years, generated his own volume of climate advocacy that often seemed to have crossed that dangerous line between hype and science.
kzb (10:25:22) :
I have made my own conclusions. I was just trying to see what others thought…apparently, some think that curiosity is a ‘hijack’ attempt. LMAO
Thanks for the input 🙂
And so it begins, the walls begin closing in on the scammers.
The US media is being real quite now …
WOW: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/01/27/1725236/Obama-Choosing-NOT-to-go-to-the-Moon?art_pos=2
“”Obama’s budget proposal will contain no funding for the Constellation program, which was to send astronauts to the moon by 2020. Instead, NASA will be focused on terrestrial science, such as monitoring global warming. One anonymous official said: ‘We certainly don’t need to go back to the moon.'”
When the White House releases his budget proposal Monday, there will be no money for the Constellation program that was supposed to return humans to the moon by 2020. The troubled and expensive Ares I rocket that was to replace the space shuttle to ferry humans to space will be gone, along with money for its bigger brother, the Ares V cargo rocket that was to launch the fuel and supplies needed to take humans back to the moon.
There will be no lunar landers, no moon bases, no Constellation program at all.”
Just amazing… :'( But sadly this is what i expected when Obama was elected. This current administration is insane so say the least.. I just dont have words for this 🙁
steveta_uk (10:40:59) ;
Results 1 – 10 of about 1,420,000 for climategate. (0.29 seconds)
Still only 1.4 Million from inside in Canada and the United States
Results 1 – 10 of about 11,600,000 for climategate. (0.20 seconds)
11 million from inside South Africa
Perhaps they are opening the gates only where the word is already out.
it is curious.
EdB (09:22:06) : I used to be a AGW believer, up until I had the time and motivation to check out the science. One book I bought was Weavers book. It took about 4 to 6 months of reading of other books and blogs before I came to the view that Weaver was misleading me in his book
Which “other books and blogs” did you read that convinced you to no longer believe in AGW?
Robert (09:54:06) :
That’s a pretty stunning admission from Dr. Weaver who’s been an insider for so long. He’s frequently quoted up here in the great white north as a climate change expert and Nobel prize winner. I must say however, he frequently crosses the line between activist and scientist.
He knows then of what he speaks.
Conscience? Or self-preservation?
I think that CodeTech (09:24:39) has it right, “Hmmm – maybe a lot of people have been quietly waiting for an exit to appear so they can use it.”
Mike Ramsey
mckyntire for nobel now!!!!!
It will be painfull to de-program Norwegian teachers, school-children, journalists and politicians.
Norway, forever known as the nation who gave the Nobel Prize to Mr. Gore and the IPCC. By Mr. Jagland.
Did you know that all coastal towns are forced to come up with a disaster plan for rising sea-level ? As if it will rise over night…… if ever.
@Edbhoy
You are far too generous. Mr. Weaver is indeed a rat leaving a sinking ship. One has to wonder why he has only now decided to speak out about problems with the IPCC and it’s leadership when the cracks in the hull are obvious to all of us. Surely, as an insider, he would have known of these problems long before now.
He is attempting to distance himself from a bad situation, just like any other rat. There is no more and no less to it.
mdjackson:
“But really, I’m a good scientist! I am! I was just… a victim of circumstance. Yeah, that’s it! A victim of circumstance.
Can I go home now?”
I’d change that last question to “Can I have the rest of my grant money now?”
@kwik
Rising sea levels would be no issue here in Norway anyways. The sea level is actually dropping since the land is rising after the glacial period ended.
I agree though.. people here are brainwashed like hell 🙁 Luckily the average person seems to wake up a bit for each day. The climategate scandal has really helped to wake people up as well, even though it was hardly even covered in Norway.
sammy k (11:16:22) :
mckyntire for nobel now!!!!!
Is he progressive?, if he is not he doesn’t qualify.
Herman L (11:04:01) :
EdB (09:22:06) said : “I used to be a AGW believer, up until I had the time and motivation to check out the science…”
Comments like EdB’s are routine. Lots of readers have given their accounts of believing in AGW – until they began to study the claims that support it – and then realizing the AGW believers couldn’t make a rational case; their science is based on emotion and conjecture, on always wrong climate models, and on papers that cite similar papers – which in turn cite the original authors, all peer reviewed by pals – and all in a circular grant-seeking round robin. None of it is empirical, real world, measurable evidence.
But try to find a similar group that began as scientific skeptics questioning the AGW hypothesis, who later decided they were wrong and became AGW believers. I can’t recall reading even one comment like that.
Face it, those pushing AGW are trying to sell a pig in a poke. And the public is finally starting to realize it.
Rat or be ratted out seems to be getting pretty popular amongst the warmists.
No money for Space programs, which actually return results we didn’t expect, but plenty of budget for polyscience that returns the expected results.
Fifty states and nine provinces rejected carbon taxes but Weaver got to Premier Campbell in British Columbia. BC is the one administration out of 60 to impose this ridiculous tax, so maybe Weaver can give us all rebates out of his grant money? He can certainly go back to the premier and admit that he lied.
boxman (11:28:32) :
I know. Remove some hundreds of meters of ice, and the land will rise. And still is.
Despite the lack of sea-level rise, the low solar activity poses a need to take a more serious look at the increased tectonic activity that is indicated by the last 150 years of record.
Big earthquakes at sea can send sudden waves into your favorite port.
Stop wasting $$$ on wild AGW theories, and start spending $$$ on earthquake science.
Through my interactions with Canadian science organizations I have had first hand dealings with Mr. Weaver. My impression is that he knows full well what is going on with the IPCC and has fully endorsed their mission and activities. It is interesting that he is now trying to distance himself from them as quick as possible. As you say, the first rat to leave the ship. I have a long list of his fellow rats. There will be more leaving.
@ur momisugly Pearland Aggie (09:36:13) :
FTA: “Analysis of the data disagrees with Watts’ conclusion
While Watts’ publication by the Heartland Institute is a valuable source of information on siting problems of the U.S. network of weather stations, the publication did not undergo peer-review–the process whereby three anonymous scientists who are experts in the field review a manuscript submitted for publication, and offer criticisms on the scientific validity of the results, resulting in revisions to the original paper or outright rejection. The Heartland Institute is an advocacy organization that accepts money from corporate benefactors such as the tobacco industry and fossil fuel industry, and publishes non-peer reviewed science that inevitably supports the interests of the groups paying for the studies…”
I’ve got to say, I expected better than ad hominem to be at the top of any rebuttal to Watt’s arguments. In fact, I’ve taken the very nasty habit of ignoring any argument that starts with this kind of fallacy. The rest of it just usually isn’t worth reading.
My guess would be that there are a lot more files just waiting to be released. Whoever the CRU ‘hacker’ was, there is no reason to think he doesn’t have more.
And all the more reason to suspect that the ‘hacker’ is trying to expose the fraud of AGW while limiting the damage to Science as a fact seeking enterprise.
The secret society of the AGW believers are no more than philosophers declaring how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. And some are being given the chance to quietly slip away a la Andrew Weaver.
@ur momisugly Pearland Aggie (09:36:13) :
“fossil fuel industry, and publishes non-peer reviewed science that inevitably supports the interests of the groups paying for the studies”
This is Exactly what the CRU has been doing all along, exactly.
At the bottom of this page
http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/about/history/
From the Climate Research Units own web site you will find a partial list of companies that fund the CRU.
It includes:
British Petroleum, ‘Oil, LNG’
The United States Department of Energy, ‘Nuclear’
UK Nirex Ltd. ‘Nuclear’
Sultanate of Oman, ‘LNG’
Shell Oil, ‘Oil, LNG’
Nuclear Installations Inspectorate, ‘Nuclear’
KFA Germany, ‘Nuclear’
Think about it.
Also OT:
A popular meme/myth among the warmists is the funding of skeptical science by “big oil” and other greedy corporate interests has managed to keep the public ignorant and unconcerned.
Are there any reliable estimates of funding for skeptical science v funding for AGW research?
JonesII (09:45:01) :
Hey Mr. Weaver, too late now buddy!, no way, gotto go to the arena and face the lions!
LOL
Mr. Weaver is also the god father of British Columbia carbon Tax, 1st in North America, it was suppose to be revenue neutral, but somehow it has morphed into a HST tax credit for low income Canadians. Another socialist fool.
What begins as a slow, reluctant shuffle to the exit (you don’t love me no more), soon turns to a stampede of nervous feet (all hands…abandon ship).