Climate agency going up in flames
Exit of Canada’s expert a sure sign IPCC in trouble
A catastrophic heat wave appears to be closing in on the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. How hot is it getting in the scientific kitchen where they’ve been cooking the books and spicing up the stew pots? So hot, apparently, that Andrew Weaver, probably Canada’s leading climate scientist, is calling for replacement of IPCC leadership and institutional reform.
If Andrew Weaver is heading for the exits, it’s a pretty sure sign that the United Nations agency is under monumental stress.
Mr. Weaver, after all, has been a major IPCC science insider for years. He is Canada Research Chair in Climate Modelling and Analysis at the University of Victoria, mastermind of one of the most sophisticated climate modelling systems on the planet, and lead author on two recent landmark IPCC reports.
For him to say, as he told Canwest News yesterday, that there has been some “dangerous crossing” of the line between climate advocacy and science at the IPCC is stunning in itself.
Not only is Mr. Weaver an IPCC insider. He has also, over the years, generated his own volume of climate advocacy that often seemed to have crossed that dangerous line between hype and science.
Paul Vaughan (10:16:39) :
Don’t confuse environmentalism with climate alarmism.
There’s is no confusion.
The environmentalists have been pumping us with scare stories for over 40 years now. Almost every single one has been either wildly exaggerated or just simply wrong:
The Club of Rome’s Limits to Growth
Paul Ehrlich’s joke predictions
John Holdren’s joke predictions
Stephen Schneider’s joke predictions
Aminotriazole on cranberries
DDT
Saccharin
Alar on apples
Asbestos; one fibre can kill
Nitrates in drinking water
etc.
The list could go on for ages. This is environmentalism; not to be confused with what is good for the environment, which they don’t begin to understand. One after another of alarmist stories which bankrupt honest working citizens by the use of media scare tactics.
A friend of mine is a former farmer. He says that the greenies have no understanding of the cycle of life and death. He’s right, of course. So if they are wrong from the start, they will be wrong continually.
Try reading: But Is It True? A Citizen’s Guide to Environmental Health and Safety Issues; Prof. Aaron Wildavsky (UC Berkeley), Harvard UP, ISBN 0-674-08923-5, 1995. (A compendium of scares and fake science used by the protection racketeers.)
This crowd of gangsters have cost us trillions, if not our whole civilisation. I for one would like to see them all sink into oblivion. Perhaps then we will be able to afford to look after the environment.
Jeremy (12:02:06) :
My thoughts exactly. If one’s argument is so sound, why would one have to couch it with ad hom attacks and innuendo? Thanks for the input…
EdB
I too was a ‘passive AGW believer’ until they tried to eliminate the MWP. This blatant attempt to change history (despite the significant historical record proving warmth) made me start revisiting both sides of the argument. It was when I started to realise that there was a manipulation of the raw data, especially prior to 1940, convinced me that the AGW side was not based on science but had other ‘social agenda’.
Mann’s attempt (and Briffa’s) to ‘hide the decline’ by adding the thermometer temps to the tree-ring data from 1960 convinces me that the whole AGW argument is flawed and we need someone to investigate the whole charade.
Pearland Aggie (09:36:13)
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It would be interesting to see what the readers here think…
I’ve looked at the Menne paper and some of the press it has received, though I’ve only been able to give it a skim read. On first glance no obvious problems jumped out, but I’m not enough of a stats guy to be able to spot any manipulations that aren’t fairly blatant.
I guess the only impression that really stuck, was that the existence of a systemic bias between the MMTS and LIG instruments, which was large enough to overwhelm the obvious siting bias and seemingly largely unquantified, was greeted so cheerfully. Also the fact that the graphs seem to suggest that, no matter where we put the thermometers or what type of instruments and procedures we utilize after we apply our wonderful statistical methods it all comes out pretty much the same, has the little man in the back of my head, who experience has shown I ignore at my peril, screaming “this looks an awful lot like a “pencil whipping””.
@Ruth (09:22:14) :
“……
It’s less than 2 months since Gordon Brown called climate sceptics ‘flat-earthers’ !”
Gordon “Jonah” Brown is well known for his curse on anything he praises. Once he’d called climate sceptics “flat earthers” he’d doomed everything to do with AGW!
Go to http://order-order.com/ and search for ‘Curse of Jonah’ for over three HUNDRED instances of Gordon’s fatal flattery!
Allan M (12:34:21) :
Paul Vaughan (10:16:39) : Don’t confuse environmentalism with climate alarmism.
There’s is no confusion. The environmentalists have been pumping us with scare stories for over 40 years now.
Allan, there are many here who would call themselves environmentalists. Two key authors included, Larry Solomon and Peter Taylor. Would it be better perhaps to distinguish between environmentalists who check the science for themselves, and those who do not? Sorry that’s a mouthful but it’s the shortest way to put the gist of the matter. Just as there are scientists who check, and those who don’t. I would agree that most enviros don’t check, most are bad scientists – but we can all do our bit to improve the level of checking. Starts with you and me, sir.
Aviator (11:43:44) “Fifty states and nine provinces rejected carbon taxes but Weaver got to Premier Campbell in British Columbia. BC is the one administration out of 60 to impose this ridiculous tax […]”
The irony is that right-wingers drive BC’s carbon tax. (Left-wingers oppose.)
The right-wing elite here are a sophisticated breed of underhanded-coy, well-versed in the art of fine optics. And if you cut through the veneer, you will find substance even greater than the facade. These folks are expert at keeping a very strong hard-core left-wing vigilantly in check.
Entrenched in a relentlessly enduring war, right-wingers “down on the coast” in BC maintain power through persistent unyielding vigilance – it’s not the easy ride our neighbors have in Alberta, where there’s not a worthy opponent with whom to joust in life-&-death exercises, that actually raise the bars of awareness, subtlety, & nuance through the very real competitive threat of sudden-death.
The usual right-wing tactic of relentlessly ruthless hyperpartisan gamesmanship is a liability on the coast. Loud barking? – A complete waste of energy in this theatre. Those looking to make a difference here will have to do something a whole lot more sophisticated; otherwise the local elite are just laughing at you behind your back (even if they appear to be working with you for purely practical reasons).
Re Fred from Canuckistan . . . (09:53:15) :
“I think we should just cut to the chase here and call it Climastrology.
“When the moon is in the 7th house and CRU aligns with NASA GISS . . . ”
Mayb we could make it into a broadway musical.”
Fred – or just think what Tom Lehrer could have done with this!
Weaver is a disgrace – I hope the reference to ‘leading cliamte scientist’ was tongue in cheek.
Allan M, on re-reading I don’t think I did your material justice. You are also right to point out the scale of activist/fundamentalist brainwashing, scaremongering, hellfire-preaching coming from “green” quarters.
climate 🙂
One can add Fear of GM crops and food to the list of baseless eNGO fear stories.
Re: Allan M (12:34:21)
I am an environmentalist but I MOST CERTAINLY AM NOT a climate alarmist. You are welcome to train your guns squarely on me – water off a duck’s back.
The AGW hypothesis will not be dead until it is finally buried by the UN and every government publicly admits that the AGW hypothesis is dead before a mainstream media that is willing to report it.
Politicians have been funding this scam to use against us, and only politicians can finally be forced to kill it.
The hypothesis has survived being comprehensively dis-proven by reality, and this is only through the largesse of the political class and the mainstream media pushing the lie over and over again for their own benefit. It no longer stands as a scientific hypothesis, but it has been rendered undead by the mainstream media and politics.
Keep up the good fight, we are wounding this beast, but it is NOT dead yet!
Lucy Skywalker (12:52:57) :
Allan M, on re-reading I don’t think I did your material justice. You are also right to point out the scale of activist/fundamentalist brainwashing, scaremongering, hellfire-preaching coming from “green” quarters.
Thanks! It’s the ‘activists’ (what the hell is that supposed to mean? are the rest of us just vegetables? (brainwashed masses)) and the campaign groups that screw it up. Their followers don’t stop to think.
jones,
i would just get snipped if i commented about progressives at the U.nited N.incompoops or the I.nternational P.anel on C.limate C.onspiracy so i will just reiterate…MCKYNTIRE FOR NOBEL NOW!!!…
I know a lot of people who are heavily invested in AGW, including scientists, and I don’t think one of them is consciously trying to trick anyone. They all want to save the world, or keep their jobs, or get to play with more powerful computers, or some combination of fairly blameless motivations. It’s like a greek tragedy. A little sloppiness here, some arrogance there, an adjustment here, an exaggeration there… pretty soon you’ve got a fabrication on your hands.
FYI, I’m a member of the Sierra Club and the National Wildlife Association, but I can’t read their publications because I find them irritating.
Everybody’s heading toward the exits
@steveta_uk (10:40:59) :
Wow – look at the hit rate on Google right now!
This is taking off! (and pretty impressive response time too!)
“Results 1 – 50 of about 98,100,000 for climategate. (0.65 seconds)”
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Not on my toolbar it isn’t, sadly (and I’m UK too).
“Results 1 – 20 of about 11,600,000 for climategate. (0.11 seconds)”
Maybe it’s that pesky Google Diurnal Oscillation.
“How Weaver is allowed to teach at the University of Victoria is beyond me. He brings discredit to what is called a “higher education.”
Please understand that University of Victoria ranks 244 in the world according to a dubious web site called the Consensus Group. That is a position before Vienna University of Technology and after La Trobe University. Here in the wilds of the Peoples Republic of BC we disdain individualism or original thought. Thus Prof. Weaver is elevated by virtue of his militant adherence to the AGW agenda. Clearly his latest bleating is that of a collaborator caught now by the liberating army, trying desperately to avoid the gallows.
Fred from Canuckistan . . . (09:53:15) :
“Mayb we could make it into a broadway musical.”
David Bowie is rumored at work on a music video… “Climate Cha, Cha, Changes,” it is supposed to have a cast including, Carol Burnett, Mick Jagger, Taylor Swift, Justin Timberlake, and Lou Gosset Jr., with cameos by Bill Clinton, Lew Alcindor, David Suzuki, and Rush Limbaugh. Hollywood – screwy as larks.
I listened to Weaver on the Bill Good radio talk show (CKNW AM980) on or around Dec 9th/09. At that time he was sounding fairly steady in his support for AGW and the IPCC, and if I am recalling his commentary correctly, painting an unflattering picture with a broad brush in regards to the skeptics while blowing off the climategate issue (“Follow the Money”).
Bill was just eating up his song & dance imho which saddened me greatly – I’ve always respected Bill for his balance on issues but it is lacking in this case. I find it very difficult listening ti his radio show now.
The odd thing I felt is that there was an opportunity to mention that a Canadian statistician was directly involved in having NASA revise its’ temperature record and I can’t recall that this was mentioned. Odd because us Canadians like to toot our own horn at times at the expense of our neighbors to the south. Almost like he was following the “thou shalt not mention the unworthy lest you give them credit” routine. Seen this before haven’t we?
It was almost enlightening to see this story on page B1 of the local Vancouver Sun newspaper this morning. I was shocked…. what! not buried 6 pages deep… front page of a section! I wonder how the local Global TV affiliate will pick up the story. They’ve given very little time to the Climategate story and continue to run with the mainstream AGW propaganda – no balance at all.
I’ve never denied that there is global warming but as others have stated, my alarm bells went off with the revision of the MWP and then the issue of the poor siting of, as it turns out, most of the US weather stations. I simply want good sound science to help direct our politicians make decisions that will stand the test of time.
CL
Who was the warmist who broke down in tears demanding action from the US at the climate summit prior to Copenhagen? A Scandinavian diplomat or scientist, I believe.
Several of the AWG site I frequent (slumming) seem to have gone quiet. I can’t help but wonder if that is in responce to the train wreck at the IPCC.
Paul Vaughan (13:17:40) :
Paul. Lucy got it & I think I do too
Allan M is more after the types of advocate environmentalists like Fenton Communication I think it is who manufactured the Alar scare amongst others.
DaveE.
John (09:20:56) :
Wow.
Make that, “Wow, eh?” !
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