One thing about British politicians, they tend to deliver fiery speeches. Here’s one just like that. He must have had some experience with an MP bench position in London.
This is from the European Parliament, Strasbourg – 20.01.2010
► Debate: Council and Commission statements – Outcome of the Copenhagen summit on climate change
Speaker: Godfrey Bloom MEP, UKIP (Yorkshire & Lincs.), EFD group. Watch the video:
Credits:
Video: European Parliament Audio Visual
I should add that I don’t agree with everything said here, and I’m unsure what he is claiming about the NZ database. I posted this purely for entertainment purposes. – Anthony
h/t to Pierre Gosselin
I wrote this earlier but it seems to have fell off the web. The trouble is that both this guy and Monckton are members of UKIP, and that party is seen as dangerously right wing and flaky. They support flat tax, sending immigrants home, leaving the EU (which really needs reform) building nuclear power stations and increasing funding to the armed forces. Google them, don’t take my word for it. The public view of them is that they consist of bluff old retired military officers who left the Tories because they aren’t “hang ’em and flog ’em” enough. They are the nearest thing we have to Republicans.
I really don’t understand why global warming sceptics all seem to be right wing and warmists all lefties. It really does not compute to me. I’m moderately leftish but interested above all in the truth. It’s the data, stupid! Who was it who said – it might have been Al Gore, that people these days who are no longer religious, are looking for the Great Cause to give meaning to their lives. I suppose if we all join together in green projects, we might not espouse other political causes that might be more troublesome. It’s a Sysephean project – keep us busy and out of trouble!
Hailing this guy and Monkton as our sceptical heroes could be a major PR error.
Too bad Mr. Bloom had only 1 1/2 minutes. I would have loved to hear him go for another 5 or 10 minutes!
Just for info:
The climate database he refers to is NIWA’s CLiFlo database. Free access is available to the data. There has been some fuss over NIWA’s temperature reconstruction for NZ due to data adjustments which create a warming trend from flat raw data and I can only assume this is what he is referring to, unless there is something else that has hit the web/news yet.
Veronica (13:26:02):
As long as you put “illegal” in front of immigrants, I support all those positions. I guess I’m just flaky like that.
But I do agree that Climategate should not be a Left/Right issue. It should be seen as an Honest/Dishonest issue.
solent:
I don’t know which way krudd is going to jump, but the CSIRO is now saying that the ‘jury is still out’ on climate change:
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/news/local/news/general/jury-still-out-on-climate-change-csiro/1728307.aspx?src=rss
I’ve had the pleasure of meeting Mr Bloom. Sound mind, sharp gentleman.
Earlier I posted a link to a YouTube video, which was subsequently removed. I realise that it was a serious error of judgement on my part, and I will not make the same mistake again. I would like to apologise to Anthony and his team for the extra work this created, and to everyone else who visits this site.
@veronica : warm mongers want to greatly increase the power of the state in nasty ways (freedom of movement, destroying prosperity), sceptics motsly want the state to do nothing because no action is needed. No wonder people who believe in small government feel closer to the latter. Another reason is, of course, that the sceptic look like being right on this one.
I will echo stumpy’s opinion above.
I am sure the MEP is referring to the upward trend put into the NZ data,
that showed no trend when corrected.
The UKIP party does have some well informed members,
but he did seem a bit flustered in this speech.
I assume he had just had to listen to a “scarecrow” spouting the usual EU balderdash….That would Finnish anyone off wouldn’t it. 😉
Re Texas – did it have unusually early winter snow this year,
is that what he might have been trying to get at.
Well, come February he should be able to say something along the lines of,
“We have now had two of the coldest winter periods in quick succession, as bad as any in the last 40 or more years. ”
At least he has a bit more time to prepare the speech this time…
I’ve never seen anything quite like this mood that seems to be prevailing any and every skeptic/scientific forum on the web …. will people please stop sounding so happy … it will give us grumpy skeptics a bad name!
Veronica (13:26:02) :
“The trouble is that both this guy and Monckton are members of UKIP, and that party is seen as dangerously right wing and flaky. They support flat tax, sending immigrants home, leaving the EU (which really needs reform) building nuclear power stations and increasing funding to the armed forces. Google them, don’t take my word for it. ”
Their policies are detailed here:
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies/226-immigration-ukip-policy-2009
Nothing about deporting legal immigrants. They would have a freeze on immigration and then strict controls. I couldn’t find anything about hanging and flogging either.
I wouldn’t describe the rest of it as ‘dangerously right wing’ but it probably depends in your point of view.
“I really don’t understand why global warming sceptics all seem to be right wing and warmists all lefties. It really does not compute to me.”
I think that’s broadly, but not completely, true.
Generally, the view of the right wing is that governments don’t do anything very well. It’s better for them to do a few things tolerably than a lot of things badly. They are naturally distrustful of government meddling. Individuals, more or less have to accept responsibility for themselves. It’s better if individuals decide how to spend their money, rather than the government expropriate it and spend it for them. AGW gives governments a glorious excuse to meddle in anything and everything and will certainly be a reason for colossal wastes of money and restrictions in individual freedom.
The left wing view tends to be that the state can and should be responsible for just about everything. Individuals are poor souls who need the state to protect them from themselves. Taxes are good thing enabling a wise and benign government to do things for the benefit of all. AGW cries out for government and even supra-governmental control.
Now, I don’t think many would say they were pro AGW or sceptical of it in these terms alone, especially on this site, but I’m sure these are basic outlooks which inform what people are inclined to believe.
“It’s all a tax raising scam.. If there was no scope to tax us for money to waste, the government wouldn’t be interested”.
“It’s the most serious problem humans have ever faced. We should be happy to pay taxes to solve it, and forge a path forward together”.
>>The trouble is that both this guy and Monckton are
>>members of UKIP, and that party is seen as dangerously
>>right wing and flaky. They support flat tax, sending
>>immigrants home, leaving the EU (which really needs reform)
>>building nuclear power stations and increasing funding to
>>the armed forces. Google them, don’t take my word for it.
They sound like eminently sensible policies to me. What is your problem??
.
Whenever the UKIP comes up you get these rapid lefties come out to denounce them as ultra rightwing racists. It’s a loser’s argument. The UKIP are a common sense party with a multi-ethnic base.
Their flat tax plan is exactly what every nation needs and would take low income earners out of the income tax system completely.
They are also the only party with a plan to make Britain mostly energy independent. They are the only party who want to end the surveillance society that Labour has forced upon Britain.
They are the only party who want a realistic points based immigration system similar to that of the US and Australia instead of bringing in people and dumping them in slums where criminals and maniac religious preachers turn young minorities into bigger criminals and maniacs.
They are the only party to come out and say they won’t accept AGW until it is completely proven.
That’s called courage and representing the public interest.
http://antigreen.blogspot.com
‘DAVID Cameron was given a stark warning yesterday that his enthusiasm for green policies is unlikely to be shared by the coming influx of Tory MPs ….’
May be the Tories will adjust their green hats to see a little clearer
Veronica (13:26:02) : “…both this guy and Monckton are members of UKIP, and…support flat tax, sending immigrants home, leaving the EU (which really needs reform) building nuclear power stations and increasing funding to the armed forces….”
Argument ad hominem, and of no value in debate. If you’re looking for a perfect spokesman, one without sin or flaw, you won’t find him on this Earth. Jesus is busy with more important matters. Yes, we should probably avoid quoting known racists, but other than that, we need all the help we can get. Monckton has a fine publicity sense and the ability to get Warmist Willies to froth at the mouth in a matter of seconds. I’d rather have him on our side than, say, Al Gore or Joe Romm.
http://antigreen.blogspot.com
‘DAVID Cameron was given a stark warning yesterday that his enthusiasm for green policies is unlikely to be shared by the coming influx of Tory MPs…’
Maybe the Tories will adjust their green hats to see a little clearer ?
Veronica:
Except they are solidly behind the Monarchy and see no reason to enact a written Constitution.
Rather strange republicans if you ask me…
@Tucci
I’m surprised that no one has fact-checked you yet. Chicago to Galveston is 1140 miles. For the joke to work, just substitute Texarkana for Galveston:
El Paso, Tx – Texarkana, TX = 814 miles
Chicago, Ill – Texarkana, TX = 795 miles
(Mapquest estimates)
@Dodgy Geezer
That is still a popular one with Alaskans, who liked to use it on the “everything is big in Texas” oil workers during the pipeline years.
View from the Solent (07:56:19) :
More trouble brewing in Oz over “emissions” trading. http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,26614314-953,00.html.
Perhaps the guys down there can fill in some background?
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I am not sure how alarmed we should be. As stated in The Australian article about the issue, it is an election year, and introducing a $20 per tonne CO2 tax would be a death wish for KRudd:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/greens-propose-20bn-tax-on-carbon/story-e6frg6nf-1225822311443
Basically this is an indirect of A$500 per year for every man, woman and child. In the meanwhile it is suggested that KRudd will flog the dead horse and introduce the ETS bill a third time.
I really think he underestimates the degree of disgust at his filibustering ineptitude.
Chris (12:21:36) : Ever heard of James Randi?
T. P. Fuller (12:43:25) (re Ben Goldacre)
I know both these individuals. Randi is another Gavin Schmidt, Goldacre seems to be another Monbiot. Neither of them are doing science, they are activists doing scientism wrt homeopathy. In fact, between Randi and Schmidt wrt personal qualities, I slightly prefer Gavin. Randi has human qualities I detest, he is a liar who makes money by going out of his way to put good people down without just cause. Not just homeopathy. He gets away with it because he sides with the majority, the “official” science. And btw, read what I said more carefully. And read both sides of the debate – the best of both sides, not the worst, the straw men that opponents “debunk”. Read Prof Benveniste direct. Just as I would say, Read Monckton direct, don’t stop with Schmidt debunking him. Indeed, when I followed that trail, it ended with Monckton… clearly Schmidt could not answer him. But did Schmidt tell anybody this? hahahha.
“dave ward (08:36:48) :
The head of the much hated BNP (British National Party) also gave a good speech:
[snip – I originally allowed this, but upon further research, I discover Mr. Griffin is a racist, thus I will not have his voice heard here. – Anthony]”
I’ll go off topic here. I do not see anything in the actual write up that shows that the man is a racist. There are many single race groups in existence in our world, none of which are considered racists by those who run the racist accusation industry. You cannot be part of the congressional black caucus unless of course you are black. You cannot be in any Indian tribes, unless you were born into one. People should have the right to associate with anyone they so chose, and in an environment in which white people are constantly charged with racism for simply not giving preferential treatment to others, I would find it quite nice to be able to hang out with a bunch of people similar to me where I could talk without the ever present opportunity to be called a racist, sexist, hair colorist for any statements I might make that can be taken out of context to make claims from.
So, unless you actually have any evidence that this man harbors negative feelings towards others for no other reason than their skin tone, I will call BS on your assertion that he is in fact a racist.
The reason why Cameron doesn’t like UKIP is because UKIP now occupies the politically conservative platform that Cameron and his (not the) Tory party have so shamefully vacated.
Many ordinary people in the UK are sick to death of the mainstream politics groupthink (pro-EU, pro-AGW etc.) that has disenfranchised the electorate. I voted for UKIP during the EU elections. I will certainly be voting for them later this year. For me to vote for any of the “big three” would only compound forty years of treasonous acts of wilful, anti-British vandalism, delivered by a succession of quisling prime ministers (with one noteable exception), that finally stripped the UK of its sovereignty on 1st December, 2009.
Lucy Skywalker (11:16:24) :
Here is just one article on the true value of homeopathy:
Homeopathy by the (mind-boggling) numbers
or just placebo effect?
Haven’t read all the way down yet, but in response to lefty follow-up question asking sarcastically what the difference is between climate and weather, that’s easy and ALL skeptics should be prepared:
Climate is anything warm,
Weather is anything cool.
Links not working for me today, or gremlins are gnawing on them…
Homeopathy revisited:
http://timesonline.typepad.com/science/2010/01/homeopathy-by-the-mindboggling-numbers.html