Readers may recall yesterday where I posted this stunning image of cold for Europe and Russia for mid December 2009 from the NASA NEO MODIS satellite imager.
Deadly Cold Across Europe and Russia
Click image above to enlarge or download large image (3 MB, JPEG) acquired December 11 – 18, 2009
In that story were links to additional images, and I’d planned to return to them for a comparison. Inspired by my posting, METSUL’s Alexandre Aguiar saved me the trouble. There’s an interesting comparison here between the surface anomaly done by weather stations (NASA GISS) and that of satellite measurement (NASA NEO MODIS) – Anthony
Guest post by Alexandre Aguiar, METSUL, Brazil
COMPARE THE TWO MAPS
NASA GISS on the left, NASA MODIS on the right
Here’s the same images but larger – click either image for full size:
South America: The vast majority of the continent is near average or below average in the NEO map, but according to GISS only the southern tip of the region is colder. The most striking difference is Northeast Brazil: colder in the NEO map and warmer at the GISS.
Africa: Most of the continent is colder than average in the NEO map, but in the GISS most of Africa is warmer than average.
Australia: The Western part of the country is colder than average in the NEO map, but the entire country is warmer in the GISS map.
Russia: Most of the country is colder than average in the NEO map, a much larger area of colder anomalies that presented in the GISS map.
India: Colder than average at NASA’s NEO website and warmer at NASA’s GISS map.
Middle East: Huge areas of the region (Israel, Jordan, Turkey, Iraq, Syria) are colder than average in the NEO map and average/warmer in the GISS map.
Europe: Near average or slightly above average in the NEO map and much above average in the GISS map.
Greenland: Entire region colder than average at NEO and much of the area warmer at GISS.
Same source (NASA), but very different maps !!!
Why:
At NEO, land surface maps show where Earth’s surface was warmer or cooler in the daytime than the average temperatures for the same week or month from 2000-2008. So, a land surface temperature anomaly map for November 2009 shows how that month’s average temperature was different from the average temperature for all Novembers between 2000 and 2008.
Conclusion
Despite being very warm compared to the long term averages (GISS, UAH, etc), November 2009 was colder in large areas of the planet if compared to this decade average.
See PDF here. December should be very interesting in the northern hemisphere.
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The tale of the two contradicting maps. Which one is correct? James Hansen knows.
pat (16:38:22)
Interesting. I am beginning to be a little suspicious of the almost exact linearity of the current measured increase in CO2 conc. e.g. from Mauna Kea. If – as I an I guess most others have assumed, a significant part of this is anthropogenic, one would expect to see some variation in the slope of CO2 conc. with time, reflecting for instance global economic cycles and even weather. Totally straight seems hard to reconcile with human activity.
pwl (16:56:50) :
The Baseline normals to make the Anomaly. I just set someone else straight about how when comparing Anomaly maps they both have to use the same baseline. GISS uses the years 1951 to 1980 to figure out what the “normal” average temperature is for the world then subtracts that from the real temp data. So a Normal based on temps from 51 to 80 will be much lower then the “Normal” based on 2000 to 08 the MODIS satellite is based on. Therefore GISS will show a bigger difference then MODIS. Also notice that on the GISS map the areas of “High” anomalies is much more spread out then MODIS. This is due to the fact that the Thermometers died off in alot of those areas abnd GHCN and GISS infills with airport thermometers. See Chiefio’s site for the March of the Thermometers away from cold places and towards the south and the beaches and how they seem to be only able to survive at airports.
Looks like MODIS will keep GISS from falsifying the trend from now on.
I’m in the red blob in the GISS map (+2 to 4C) in South Eastern Australia. It’s 22C here now, well below normal for this time of year.
Al Fin (16:57:13) :
Who will call for NASA GISS to reveal all of its methods, adjustments, and modifications to the data.
I do believe a FOI has been requested of GISS and been ignored for a long time now. A think tank named CEI has issued a Notice of Intent to File Suit against NASA.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/24/cei-files-notice-of-intent-to-sue-nasa-giss/
OT but has anyone seen this Science Daily article? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm
Yes, saw that article. So how does this correlate to that linearly climbing Mauna Loa curve? What to believe…..
photon without a Higgs (17:33:54) :
“They couldn’t keep the orange and reds inside the lines? They overlapped the blues with them?”
Actually they ran out of blue pegs, they once had the whole set but the dog ate most of the blue ones 🙁
Someone has to speak up! This “average temperature” fraud is just that.
It is a FRAUD. It’s a trick with NUMBERS.
It’s MEANINGLESS.
I’ll have more to say on this in the next 2 weeks.
Max
Just a thought…
NASA places two very different Maps using the same data… one with Sat data incorporated showing no warming and one with land based only data showing significant warming..
these folks need to be defunded…and defended in the court of public opinion.
UHI the most likely cause of temp rise in land based data… Sat data blends temps and show no significant warming…
then you publish both without finding out why there is such a discrepancy….
Is it just me or are these guy out to lunch?
OT but has anyone seen this Science Daily article? http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091230184221.htm
I think I counted three OT references to this. It is “old news.” Anthony covered it back in early November:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/10/bombshell-from-bristol-is-the-airborne-fraction-of-anthropogenic-co2-emissions-increasing-study-says-no/
DirkH (17:42:17) :
Looks like MODIS will keep GISS from falsifying the trend from now on.
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Only if we can keep Hansen and crew from tampering with the data…
Pat and Clarity2009:
If corroborated, it simply means that man-made global warming is a lie. But don’t expect Wolfgang Knorr’s study to sway the global warmists. It takes a lot to destroy an established religion. That’s why nobody else is talking about this astonishing study except here and a handful of other skeptical sites.
John Finn (17:14:53) :
Hang on a minute
The GISS anomaly map is for the month of November whereas the MODIS map is for ONE week (11th-18th) in December. This is not a fair comparison. Leaving aside the fact that the anomaly base periods are completely different should we not at least wait until GISS release their December figures before making any comment.
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With the data temp variation should be less pronounced in the bigger set… and its not…
However, this goes back to publishing things when there is a problem and not correcting it first..
Yes, here and over a month ago: http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/10/bombshell-from-bristol-is-the-airborne-fraction-of-anthropogenic-co2-emissions-increasing-study-says-no/
Doesn’t Griss do that auto-kinetic, tale-transcontinental portation that tripulated anomalies between New York City and San Diego, hinged in Kansas City, and if that’s out of whack, then they auto-correlate Seattle to Miami temperature trick? (or maybe it’s Little Miami?)
I can’t keep track.
Merrick (17:13:22) :
Anthony,
Have you seen the new paper by Wolfgang Knorr,
Anthony has covered it here on WUWT…..
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/10/bombshell-from-bristol-is-the-airborne-fraction-of-anthropogenic-co2-emissions-increasing-study-says-no/
I agree that we’re comparing apples with oranges here. We know November (GISS map) was much warmer than the second half of December has been (MODIS map), certainly in the northern hemisphere. A more useful comparison would be the mid-November data from MODIS, or the December data from GISS.
Does anyone know where, or how, to obtain either the grid data of the “1951-1980 mean” the anomaly grid is compared to or the single temperature these are differenced against. Also the “2000-2008 mean” would be helpful. That data might be in grid form also.
I’m like Syl as the top post, this cannot be correct even with the different base time periods. All but a few points, being conservative, are showing greater than 2 degrees and that’s conservative.
Am I right here, in IPCC report we are only talking of 1.7 degrees since ~1880s. So the difference between 1951-1980 mean and 2000-2008 mean should be, at most, somewhere around 0.4-0.6 degC. With this in mind there is no way they should be showing 2.0+ degC differences basically everywhere.
I want to investigate further, to be more accurate and check if this thought is correct, but don’t know where the data exists, if it’s public at all.
If someone is already doing that work, I don’t want to duplicate. Let me know if so.
The difference to me is one looks like a real temp. Map and one looks like a lego block crayon drawing.
About the “31 Dec: ScienceDaily: No Rise of Atmospheric Carbon Dioxide Fraction in Past 160 Years, New Research Finds” CO2 vs. time graph. There is a bump in CO2 starting about 1935 and ending at 1945. Coincidentally that time span straddles WWII. A lot of industry ramped up ’35 and and a lot of the product of that industry was used to blow up and burn things down in the ensuing 10 years. Any correlation? The steep 1945 negative slope may give some indication how quickly the resulting CO2 was reabsorbed.
Can we substitute the paper my kids colored their Easter eggs on for the one map? probably be as accurate..
At the risk of copyright infringement….”You Lie!”…
Hmm funny…. Is it my old eyes or does the antartica peninsula look mostly blue ? Isn’t this the area they are claiming is warming most in antartica ?