The Unbearable Complexity of Climate

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Figure 1. The Experimental Setup

I keep reading statements in various places about how it is indisputable “simple physics” that if we increase the amount of atmospheric CO2, it will inevitably warm the planet. Here’s a typical example:

In the hyperbolic language that has infested the debate, researchers have been accused of everything from ditching the scientific method to participating in a vast conspiracy. But the basic concepts of the greenhouse effect is a matter of simple physics and chemistry, and have been part of the scientific dialog for roughly a century.

Here’s another:

The important thing is that we know how greenhouse gases affect climate. It has even been predicted hundred years ago by Arrhenius. It is simple physics.

Unfortunately, while the physics is simple, the climate is far from simple. It is one of the more complex systems that we have ever studied. The climate is a tera-watt scale planetary sized heat engine. It is driven by both terrestrial and extra-terrestrial forcings, a number of which are unknown, and many of which are poorly understood and/or difficult to measure. It is inherently chaotic and turbulent, two conditions for which we have few mathematical tools.

The climate is composed of six major subsystems — atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, lithosphere, biosphere, and electrosphere. All of these subsystems are imperfectly understood. Each of these subsystems has its own known and unknown internal and external forcings, feedbacks, resonances, and cyclical variations. In addition, each subsystem affects all of the other subsystems through a variety of known and unknown forcings and feedbacks.

Then there is the problem of scale. Climate has crucially important processes at physical scales from the molecular to the planetary and at temporal scales from milliseconds to millennia.

As a result of this almost unimaginable complexity, simple physics is simply inadequate to predict the effect of a change in one of the hundreds and hundreds of things that affect the climate. I will give two examples of why “simple physics” doesn’t work with the climate — a river, and a block of steel. I’ll start with a thought experiment with the block of steel.

Suppose that I want to find out about how temperature affects solids. I take a 75 kg block of steel, and I put the bottom end of it in a bucket of hot water. I duct tape a thermometer to the top end in the best experimental fashion, and I start recording how the temperature changes with time. At first, nothing happens. So I wait. And soon, the temperature of the other end of the block of steel starts rising. Hey, simple physics, right?

To verify my results, I try the experiment with a block of copper. I get the same result, the end of the block that’s not in the hot water soon begins to warm up. I try it with a block of glass, same thing. My tentative conclusion is that simple physics says that if you heat one end of a solid, the other end will eventually heat up as well.

So I look around for a final test. Not seeing anything obvious, I have a flash of insight. I weigh about 75 kg. So I sit with my feet in the bucket of hot water, put the thermometer in my mouth, and wait for my head to heat up. This experimental setup is shown in Figure 1 above.

After all, simple physics is my guideline, I know what’s going to happen, I just have to wait.

And wait … and wait …

As our thought experiment shows, simple physics may simply not work when applied to a complex system. The problem is that there are feedback mechanisms that negate the effect of the hot water on my cold toes. My body has a preferential temperature which is not set by the external forcings.

For a more nuanced view of what is happening, let’s consider the second example, a river. Again, a thought experiment.

I take a sheet of plywood, and I cover it with some earth. I tilt it up so it slopes from one edge to the other. For our thought experiment, we’ll imagine that this is a hill that goes down to the ocean.

I place a steel ball at the top edge of the earth-covered plywood, and I watch what happens. It rolls, as simple physics predicts, straight down to the lower edge. I try it with a wooden ball, and get the same result. I figure maybe it’s because of the shape of the object.

So I make a small wooden sled, and put it on the plywood. Again, it slides straight down to the ocean. I try it with a miniature steel shed, same result. It goes directly downhill to the ocean as well. Simple physics, understood by Isaac Newton.

As a final test, I take a hose and I start running some water down from the top edge of my hill to make a model river. To my surprise, although the model river starts straight down the hill, it soon starts to wander. Before long, it has formed a meandering stream, which changes its course with time. Sections of the river form long loops, the channel changes, loops are cut off, new channels form, and after while we get something like this:

Figure 2. Meanders, oxbow bends, and oxbow lakes in a river system. Note the old channels where the river used to run.

The most amazing part is that the process never stops. No matter how long we run the river experiment, the channel continues to change. What’s going on here?

Well, the first thing that we can conclude is that, just as in our experiment with the steel block, simple physics simply doesn’t work in this situation. Simple physics says that things roll straight downhill, and clearly, that ain’t happening here … it is obvious we need better tools to analyze the flow of the river.

Are there mathematical tools that we can use to understand this system? Yes, but they are not simple. The breakthrough came in the 1990’s, with the discovery by Adrian Bejan of the Constructal Law. The Constructal Law applies to all flow systems which are far from equilibrium, like a river or the climate.

It turns out that these types of flow systems are not passive systems which can take up any configuration. Instead, they actively strive to maximize some aspect of the system. For the river, as for the climate, the system strives to maximize the sum of the energy moved and the energy lost through turbulence. See the discussion of these principles here, herehere, and here. There is also a website devoted to various applications of the Constructal Law here.

There are several conclusions that we can make from the application of the Constructal Law to flow systems:

1. Any flow system far from equilibrium is not free to take up any form as the climate models assume. Instead, it has a preferential state which it works actively to approach.

2. This preferential state, however, is never achieved. Instead, the system constantly overshoots and undershoots that state, and does not settle down to one final form. The system never stops modifying its internal aspects to move towards the preferential state.

3. The results of changes in such a flow system are often counterintuitive. For example, suppose we want to shorten the river. Simple physics says it should be easy. So we cut through an oxbow bend, and it makes the river shorter … but only for a little while. Soon the river readjusts, and some other part of the river becomes longer. The length of the river is actively maintained by the system. Contrary to our simplistic assumptions, the length of the river is not changed by our actions.

So that’s the problem with “simple physics” and the climate. For example, simple physics predicts a simple linear relationship between the climate forcings and the temperature. People seriously believe that a change of X in the forcings will lead inevitably to a chance of A * X in the temperature. This is called the “climate sensitivity”, and is a fundamental assumption in the climate models. The IPCC says that if CO2 doubles, we will get a rise of around 3C in the global temperature. However, there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim, only computer models. But the models assume this relationship, so they cannot be used to establish the relationship.

However, as rivers clearly show, there is no such simple relationship in a flow system far from equilibrium. We can’t cut through an oxbow to shorten the river, it just lengthens elsewhere to maintain the same total length. Instead of being affected by a change in the forcings, the system sets its own preferential operating conditions (e.g. length, temperature, etc.) based on the natural constraints and flow possibilities and other parameters of the system.

Final conclusion? Because climate is a flow system far from equilibrium, it is ruled by the Constructal Law. As a result, there is no physics-based reason to assume that increasing CO2 will make a large difference to the global temperature, and the Constructal Law gives us reason to think that it may make no difference at all. In any case, regardless of Arrhenius, the “simple physics” relationship between CO2 and global temperature is something that we cannot simply assume to be true.


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gtrip
December 28, 2009 12:24 am

tallbloke (00:03:27) :
Shouldn’t it be Talk Bloke? You think that fighting windmills is the right path?

Peter Melia
December 28, 2009 12:25 am

If you google “Constructal Law”, and go to Wikipedia, you come across an “allometric law of cruising speed vs body mass”. This shows that the bigger a thing, the faster it can comfortably fly (=cruise). Now, speed record attemptists (?) routinely reduce mass to the minimum achievable, to go faster, but this new law says the opposite. Horse racing authorities routinely load up faster horses in order to make them go slower. Have they got it wrong?
This is not, of course connected with climate change, but it is Christmas after all.
Peter Melia

tallbloke
December 28, 2009 12:25 am

Paul Vaughan (23:40:54) :
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/QBO_fGLAAM_fLOD.png

Interesting Hiccup in the early-mid ’70’s Paul.

joshua corning
December 28, 2009 12:25 am

Sounds suspiciously like the G… word (the earth behaving like a simple organism).
Does the fact that Venus has the same atmospheric temperature on its dark side that it has on it sunward side sound like a rock at the bottom of canyon or an adaptive self correcting system?
Does such a distinction even matter?
Also it would seem we run into the anthropic principle here as well. Sure it seems kind of odd that our atmosphere might behave like an organism. Of course if it our planet did not act that way, with an adaptive atmosphere that actively preserves a steady state of mild temperatures over multiple millennia, then it would not be able to evolve life on it to begin with. If the earth’s climate were fragile we would not exist.

Nigel S
December 28, 2009 12:27 am

Willis Eschenbach (23:38:55) :
Nigel S (23:12:24)
Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner
First thank you Willis for all your intersting articles and for standing up to the bullying elsewhere.
My cut and paste (sorry I was repairing my keyboard after spilling wine on it) was a comment on the ‘indisputable “simple physics”‘ when the settled assumptions are (I believe) wrong. I think Gerlich and Tscheuschner are right when they talk about a perpetual motion machine in the standard radiative balance calculations but I can see that I shall have to get out my thermodynamics text books and notes.

Lindsay H
December 28, 2009 12:33 am

new scientist had a recent piece on
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18301-five-laws-of-human-nature.html
and I had to laugh at the thought of Parkinson & the Copenhaen conference!!
“Parkinson also came up with the “law of triviality”, which states that the amount of time an organisation spends discussing an issue is inversely proportional to its importance. He argued that nobody dares to expound on important issues in case they’re wrong – but everyone is happy to opine at length about the trivial.”
40000 trivialists at copenhagen!
“This in turn may be a result of Sayre’s law, which states that in any dispute, the intensity of feeling is inversely proportional to the value of the stakes at issue.”
and dont the NGO”s know it!
Parkinson also proposed a coefficient of inefficiency, which attempts to define the maximum size a committee can reach before it becomes unable to make decisions. His suggestion that it lay “somewhere 19.9 and 22.4” has stood the test of time: more recent research suggests that committees cannot include many more than 20 members before becoming utterly hapless.

December 28, 2009 12:39 am

tom wrote:
“…we can predict with a relatively high degree of confidence that overeating will lead to obesity and starvation will lead health problems and possibly death.”
This counter analogy does not support AGW theory.
Reducing food intake to reduce obesity is akin to reducing CO2 to reduce global warming. But reducing food intake does not reduce obesity. Calorie restriction diets are very well known to fail quite miserably except during a short period of extremely uncomfortable food rationing known as hunger. The vast majority of people cannot cope long and once they end the diet their obesity and metabolic tendency towards it tends to get worse than before. Rationing CO2 is likely to have a similarly bad long term effect on society when enough people who lack energy start experiencing food rationing otherwise known as starvation. In both cases the best answer for most is not passive restriction of intake but the build up of lost muscle mass, one being physical exercise and the other being nuclear power and then fusion energy.

December 28, 2009 12:40 am

Thanks to Willis and Richard Patton for alerting me to the ClimateAudit discussion which I have taken a look at (and the discussion that followed).
Is there more out there on this topic? I’d expect that some mathematically included people have analyzed the available proxies – temperature at least – across different time periods and formed some tentative conclusions.

gtrip
December 28, 2009 12:43 am

Does nobody here want to make history?……….I thought not.

Lindsay H
December 28, 2009 12:44 am

scienceofdoom (21:25:35) :
“—Chaotic, most people know but not everyone, means that the system is not random it is deterministic, but very small changes in initial conditions cause totally different outcomes. Therefore, chaotic systems under certain circumstances are impossible to model.
http://scienceofdoom.com
REPLY: “weather” is known to be chaotic. Climate is a long term collection of weather events, so it stands to reason that it is also chaotic, but on a longer, slower time scale. – Anthony”
Not sure I entirely agree with Anthony : I think a more accurate statement might be that Climate is Stochastic rather than Chaotic.

gtrip
December 28, 2009 12:48 am

Man, I wish I had a bucket of cheerys.

jerry
December 28, 2009 1:07 am

A micro-scale chaotic system does not mean that a macro-scale chaotic system is as well.
There are many examples of this in nature. Fluid flow is a good example. The flow can become chaotic over a certain Reynold’s number, but the macro flow is entirely predictable – if inefficient. bumble-bee flight springs to mind.
The example of the river meander is the classic. The meanders are chaotic, but the mean of the meanders is highly predictable – the total river length becomes pi x crowflight length (?) and the gradient is continuously refined to a well known curve.
I’m also not sure that larger scale weather is chaotic either. The numerical models do a pretty good job now – out to a week.

Louis Hissink
December 28, 2009 1:18 am

Willis Eschenbach (22:50:25) :
Willis, yo, realised that hence my raising of it separately.
I am not sure most here actually understand the difficulties using the scientific method on chaotic systems either, because in order to make measurements, the thing being observed needs to be somewhat predictable within a useable time-frame.
Take a dust devil – a small scale cyclonic peturbation of air which darts about unpredictably on the Earth’s surface. While I look in awe at these things when out in the field doing my day job (basically drilling holes into geophysical targets for minerals), trying to work out how to get a measurement of it’s electrical properties is night well impossible – the dang thing won’t stand still, for a start.
So empirically chaotic systems are inherently difficult to collect data from except in a more remote genalised way. Hence doing empirical science on these system seems fraught with almost unsolvable difficulties.
Dust devils – these things, from the Plasma Model, are small electrical powered cyclonic perturbations the Earth’s electric field, and become visible from the dust sucked off the land surface. But how do you then take measurements of an object that behaves chaotically, and refuses to stand still? And scaling up to a tornado, well, an added complexity appears in that while taking physical measurements of a phenomenon that, because of scaling factors, becomes a little more predictable in movement, becomes extremely hazardous to life, especially the scientist making the observations. (And given the paranoia over work place safety these days, what professional scientist would be permitted to do such foolish things such as measure the electric field of a tornado).
Climate science seems to have found itself in a conceptual cul-de-sac in which as in situ meaurements seem impossible, progress is then diverted into the deductive method based on “consensual” assumptions and quickly develops into a dogma.
After all, climate sensitivity has yet to be empirically verified.
Incidentally a greenhouse effect is theory of last resort for a science that ignores the role of electricity in the operation of the cosmos, (and solar system). I’m not diminishing the role of water in this process, just the idea that other “gases” are needed to explain the observations in the absence of electricity. Add electricity and the need for a green house gas becomes irrelevant.

Allan M R MacRae
December 28, 2009 1:31 am

Hi tallbloke (00:03:27) :
See the 15fps AIRS data animation of global CO2 at
http://svs.gsfc.nasa.gov/vis/a000000/a003500/a003562/carbonDioxideSequence2002_2008_at15fps.mp4
It is difficult to see the impact of humanity in this impressive display of nature’s power.
Still, annual CO2 concentration keeps increasing at ~1.5ppm/year – even as CO2 fluctuates by up to 16ppm/year in its natural seasonal sawtooth pattern. This 1.5ppm/year could be a manmade component (or not).
I pointed out two years ago that that global CO2 lags temperature by about 9 months in a cycle time of ~3-6 years.
We also know that CO2 lags temperatrue by ~800 years in a cycle time of ~100,000 years
There may be other intermediate cycles as well – Ernst Beck postulates one.
A fine puzzle for someone to sort out.
Veizer and Shaviv may have already done so.
Best wishes to all for the Holidays!

John Doe
December 28, 2009 1:37 am

The modelers admit that climate is chaotic. You can read it from e.g. IPCC AR4GW1 chapter 8. Google brings up this http://climateprediction.net/content/modelling-climate.
Their solution to the chaotic behavior of the climate is to use models ensembles where small variations are in the initial state and parameters are done to produce a distribution of projections. OK, so for, but it is impossible to know what trajectory the reality takes. The distribution of the projections is actually created by the programmers/scientists who decide what variations they will use. Statistical measures like ensemble mean and distribution cannot be used in their traditional way to give probable values and confidence intervals.
Modelers admit that there is a lot that we don’t know, but the climate politicians don’t. Our job is now to bring the message of the scientists to those who make political decisions.

December 28, 2009 1:44 am

For me, the simplest falsification of the whole CO2 theory is Arctic. Arctic has dry and cold air, so the “greenhouse effect” should be strengthened by increase of CO2 much more than in warmer latitudes. Also, at low temps. the absorption-emission is much more effective.
But real arctic temperatures show no net increase since 40ties, except regular ups and downs, tied to AMO. Even 1860s are similar to present. What more, the curve heads down again.
http://climexp.knmi.nl/data/icrutem3_hadsst2_0-360E_70-90N_na.png

Stefan
December 28, 2009 1:50 am

“The constructal way of distributing the system’s imperfection is to put the more resistive regime at the smallest scale of the system.”
Does this mean that, instead of trying to figure out subtle feedbacks, we ought to start by looking at where the biggest energy flows are?
With the river, the length and the volume of water are its key things, and then there is some optimal path which it can meander around but never achieve.
What are the biggest and main energy flows of the planet, and what would their ideal configuration be? Are ice ages simply one variation of its architecture?
I am not a scientist (IANAS) but it is intuitively fascinating.

December 28, 2009 2:02 am

Isn’t this something like Miskolsczi’s theory? There’s a maximum value for the warming by all greenhouse gases based on the energy input into the system?

Pippa Biggs
December 28, 2009 2:07 am

Thanks for a very interesting article. I take your main point that the climate is hugely complex; however, I fail to grasp the parallels between flow models of river systems and modelling the climate, other than that nature is very complex & continues to defy our best attempts to understand it!
In this case, Larry/Hotrod is exactly right – simply because our understanding is limited and our best models fail to “explain” climate change, does that mean we should sit around and wait until our understanding of science catches up with reality? Or are we better off planning for the worst case scenario and taking personal initiatives to try and limit the damage we are doing to the planet, which is visible on many levels?
Personally, I am basing my behaviour on my personal observations (the European glaciers are melting fast and most will be gone within 100 years – as are the glaciers in the National Park near Seattle). The seasons are totally mixed up now, with temperatures bouncing around + or – 10 degrees from one day to the next. The planet has never suffered the burden of 6.8 billion human inhabitants before, so whatever ‘natural’ equilibrium systems operated in the past (forests as carbon sinks, algal blooms, ocean reserves, polar ice – the theories differ etc.) are very likely to be interfered with by man’s activities.
I understand that you have huge unspoilt areas and nature reserves in the USA, so you may be less likely to believe in real & tangible climate change in the States. But in hot & crowded Europe, we see it all around us – from the lack of bumble bees in summer to the dramatic collapse of natural populations of chamois, marmottes and forests. I do not want to sit and wait for the consequences – I should like to try to take whatever small action I can on a personal level to try and play my part & make my contribution to preserving an Earth worth living in for the next generation! And wait until scientists can catch up… and wait… and wait…

December 28, 2009 2:07 am

Les Francis (22:06:09) :
… According to the laws of physics and aerodynamics, it is impossible for the humble bumblebee to fly

Bill Tuttle (22:51:30) :
Or the Hiller 23 helicopter. But no one bothered to inform the bumblebee, and the Hiller was flying successfully for seventeen years before some bright light “proved” that it was physically incapable of hovering, much less flying.
And learning to hover a Hiller required chaotic control application…

The aerodynamic lift that keeps the bumblebee flying isn’t generated in the same manner as your typical airplane, where the higher speed flow over the top of the wing lowers the pressure there.
The rapid forward and aft beats of the insect’s wing produced very localized turbulent eddies that do the lifting. Can’t comment on the Hiller, but anything with that many moving parts shouldn’t be flying. Not in civilized society, anyway.
Those turbulent eddies would fall in the chaotic category, even though they are regular enough to dependably get billions of bugs airborne. Sort of quantum aerodynamics.
A major part of the AGW political problem is the ~30 year definition of climate, when the full cycle runs twice that. Right about the time in the 70’s when we were worrying about the coming ice age, the warming phase was starting. Now that we’re worrying about the world overheating, and we’ve entered the cooling phase. It doesn’t help to have GISS and CRU sexing up the numbers, either.

December 28, 2009 2:09 am

Willis, I suspect this presentation is imprecise in this respect: it implicitly assumes small changes in CO2 concentration. If you were to add a lot of CO2, say doubling or trebling the concentration of CO2, then I’m willing to bet there would be a substantial observed warming. This would be like, in your river analogy, to substantially increasing the flow of water or some how significantly increasing the gradient.

Baa Humbug
December 28, 2009 2:24 am

If as RealClimate claims, climate is NOT chaotic, then it should be easier to understand and predict. Despite over 20yrs of intensive research by “thousands” of scientists backed by billions of dollars, and sattelites, and super dooper computers, they are no where near being able to predict anything. Not climate, not even weather any more than 3 or 4 days out.
But if they were to remove their heads out of their rears, and really studied the large external forces which drive our climate, they may stand a chance to predict the smaller forces we call weather.
They don’t even have to predict all weather, just the less than 1% portion of weather we call extreme.
Afterall, climate isn’t going to hurt us, it’s the smaller forces climate creates (cyclones, flooding rains, extended periods of drought etc) we call extreme weather that hurts us and costs us in economic terms.
So these wags can’t predict anything to do with climate a month out, a year out, yet we are to believe they can predict 100 years out.
Gimme a break

December 28, 2009 2:27 am

Don’t forget, the complexity includes LIFE – a dynamic response system in itself. Oceans are full of plant and animal life. Vegitation covers significant areas of land masses.
Life is that force which disobeys physics and seems to find a way, in spite of…

December 28, 2009 2:31 am

Seems I skipped past some similar discussion, about life…
I do not apologize for the “G..” word. You cannot prove there is no God.

Alexander Vissers
December 28, 2009 2:38 am

From most comment posts one might conclude that the discussion is about physics. It is not. It’s about ethics, and as we all know when ethics and politics meet, guess who prevails.
The initial quotes in this post are all telling: researchers are not criticised for research on the basic greenhouse gas qualities of CO2 (undisputed) but e.g. for research on pre-historic (as far as thermometrie goes) temperature trends (Climategate). They are criticised for drawing conclusions with fargoing consequences based on an insolid scientific basis, keeping data away from the public.
“The important thing is, that we know how greenhouse gasses affect climate” is an ill faith comment; the important thing is that we do not have a clue how changes in antropogenic CO2 exhaust affect climate, that we still do not understand the heat balance in the oceans that we have only recently started to collect usefull data on ocean temperatures at different dephts. Data is sparse, insufficient, wanting and inconclusive whereas polar bears are quite abundant.
Meanwhile, do not spill fuell, the science on the limitation of terrestrial oil reserves is settled.

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