The Unbearable Complexity of Climate

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Figure 1. The Experimental Setup

I keep reading statements in various places about how it is indisputable “simple physics” that if we increase the amount of atmospheric CO2, it will inevitably warm the planet. Here’s a typical example:

In the hyperbolic language that has infested the debate, researchers have been accused of everything from ditching the scientific method to participating in a vast conspiracy. But the basic concepts of the greenhouse effect is a matter of simple physics and chemistry, and have been part of the scientific dialog for roughly a century.

Here’s another:

The important thing is that we know how greenhouse gases affect climate. It has even been predicted hundred years ago by Arrhenius. It is simple physics.

Unfortunately, while the physics is simple, the climate is far from simple. It is one of the more complex systems that we have ever studied. The climate is a tera-watt scale planetary sized heat engine. It is driven by both terrestrial and extra-terrestrial forcings, a number of which are unknown, and many of which are poorly understood and/or difficult to measure. It is inherently chaotic and turbulent, two conditions for which we have few mathematical tools.

The climate is composed of six major subsystems — atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, lithosphere, biosphere, and electrosphere. All of these subsystems are imperfectly understood. Each of these subsystems has its own known and unknown internal and external forcings, feedbacks, resonances, and cyclical variations. In addition, each subsystem affects all of the other subsystems through a variety of known and unknown forcings and feedbacks.

Then there is the problem of scale. Climate has crucially important processes at physical scales from the molecular to the planetary and at temporal scales from milliseconds to millennia.

As a result of this almost unimaginable complexity, simple physics is simply inadequate to predict the effect of a change in one of the hundreds and hundreds of things that affect the climate. I will give two examples of why “simple physics” doesn’t work with the climate — a river, and a block of steel. I’ll start with a thought experiment with the block of steel.

Suppose that I want to find out about how temperature affects solids. I take a 75 kg block of steel, and I put the bottom end of it in a bucket of hot water. I duct tape a thermometer to the top end in the best experimental fashion, and I start recording how the temperature changes with time. At first, nothing happens. So I wait. And soon, the temperature of the other end of the block of steel starts rising. Hey, simple physics, right?

To verify my results, I try the experiment with a block of copper. I get the same result, the end of the block that’s not in the hot water soon begins to warm up. I try it with a block of glass, same thing. My tentative conclusion is that simple physics says that if you heat one end of a solid, the other end will eventually heat up as well.

So I look around for a final test. Not seeing anything obvious, I have a flash of insight. I weigh about 75 kg. So I sit with my feet in the bucket of hot water, put the thermometer in my mouth, and wait for my head to heat up. This experimental setup is shown in Figure 1 above.

After all, simple physics is my guideline, I know what’s going to happen, I just have to wait.

And wait … and wait …

As our thought experiment shows, simple physics may simply not work when applied to a complex system. The problem is that there are feedback mechanisms that negate the effect of the hot water on my cold toes. My body has a preferential temperature which is not set by the external forcings.

For a more nuanced view of what is happening, let’s consider the second example, a river. Again, a thought experiment.

I take a sheet of plywood, and I cover it with some earth. I tilt it up so it slopes from one edge to the other. For our thought experiment, we’ll imagine that this is a hill that goes down to the ocean.

I place a steel ball at the top edge of the earth-covered plywood, and I watch what happens. It rolls, as simple physics predicts, straight down to the lower edge. I try it with a wooden ball, and get the same result. I figure maybe it’s because of the shape of the object.

So I make a small wooden sled, and put it on the plywood. Again, it slides straight down to the ocean. I try it with a miniature steel shed, same result. It goes directly downhill to the ocean as well. Simple physics, understood by Isaac Newton.

As a final test, I take a hose and I start running some water down from the top edge of my hill to make a model river. To my surprise, although the model river starts straight down the hill, it soon starts to wander. Before long, it has formed a meandering stream, which changes its course with time. Sections of the river form long loops, the channel changes, loops are cut off, new channels form, and after while we get something like this:

Figure 2. Meanders, oxbow bends, and oxbow lakes in a river system. Note the old channels where the river used to run.

The most amazing part is that the process never stops. No matter how long we run the river experiment, the channel continues to change. What’s going on here?

Well, the first thing that we can conclude is that, just as in our experiment with the steel block, simple physics simply doesn’t work in this situation. Simple physics says that things roll straight downhill, and clearly, that ain’t happening here … it is obvious we need better tools to analyze the flow of the river.

Are there mathematical tools that we can use to understand this system? Yes, but they are not simple. The breakthrough came in the 1990’s, with the discovery by Adrian Bejan of the Constructal Law. The Constructal Law applies to all flow systems which are far from equilibrium, like a river or the climate.

It turns out that these types of flow systems are not passive systems which can take up any configuration. Instead, they actively strive to maximize some aspect of the system. For the river, as for the climate, the system strives to maximize the sum of the energy moved and the energy lost through turbulence. See the discussion of these principles here, herehere, and here. There is also a website devoted to various applications of the Constructal Law here.

There are several conclusions that we can make from the application of the Constructal Law to flow systems:

1. Any flow system far from equilibrium is not free to take up any form as the climate models assume. Instead, it has a preferential state which it works actively to approach.

2. This preferential state, however, is never achieved. Instead, the system constantly overshoots and undershoots that state, and does not settle down to one final form. The system never stops modifying its internal aspects to move towards the preferential state.

3. The results of changes in such a flow system are often counterintuitive. For example, suppose we want to shorten the river. Simple physics says it should be easy. So we cut through an oxbow bend, and it makes the river shorter … but only for a little while. Soon the river readjusts, and some other part of the river becomes longer. The length of the river is actively maintained by the system. Contrary to our simplistic assumptions, the length of the river is not changed by our actions.

So that’s the problem with “simple physics” and the climate. For example, simple physics predicts a simple linear relationship between the climate forcings and the temperature. People seriously believe that a change of X in the forcings will lead inevitably to a chance of A * X in the temperature. This is called the “climate sensitivity”, and is a fundamental assumption in the climate models. The IPCC says that if CO2 doubles, we will get a rise of around 3C in the global temperature. However, there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim, only computer models. But the models assume this relationship, so they cannot be used to establish the relationship.

However, as rivers clearly show, there is no such simple relationship in a flow system far from equilibrium. We can’t cut through an oxbow to shorten the river, it just lengthens elsewhere to maintain the same total length. Instead of being affected by a change in the forcings, the system sets its own preferential operating conditions (e.g. length, temperature, etc.) based on the natural constraints and flow possibilities and other parameters of the system.

Final conclusion? Because climate is a flow system far from equilibrium, it is ruled by the Constructal Law. As a result, there is no physics-based reason to assume that increasing CO2 will make a large difference to the global temperature, and the Constructal Law gives us reason to think that it may make no difference at all. In any case, regardless of Arrhenius, the “simple physics” relationship between CO2 and global temperature is something that we cannot simply assume to be true.


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December 27, 2009 11:09 pm

What you propose is called independent and impartial thinking, Mr. Eschenbach.
Now, it may be assumed axiomatically that most scientists are human beings.
Multiple observations (history) show that human beings, in most cases, are guided by preconceived conclusions.
Their choice of preconceived conclusions depends on the source of funding.
Or, as folk wisdom puts it, “He who pays the piper, calls the tune.”
Depending on the complexity of the financing scheme and of the political situation of the moment, telling your bosses exactly what they want to hear may require some significant thinking.
That is the kind of thinking our publicly funded scientists (i.e. Dr. Hansen and Prof. Mann) are doing all the time.
What they do is called “politically correct science.”
Which means that what you propose (independent and impartial thinking) is entirely politically incorrect, runs against the public (government’s) interests and, as such, should be banned and persecuted.
You are an enemy of the people, Mr. Eschenbach.

Nigel S
December 27, 2009 11:12 pm

Gerhard Gerlich and Ralf D. Tscheuschner
Abstract
The atmospheric greenhouse effect, an idea that authors trace back to the traditional works of Fourier 1824, Tyndall 1861 and Arrhenius 1896 and is still supported in global climatology essentially describes a fictitious mechanism in which a planetary atmosphere acts as a heat pump driven by an environment that is radiatively interacting with but radiatively equilibrated to the atmospheric system. According to the second law of thermodynamics such a planetary machine can never exist. Nevertheless, in almost all texts of global climatology and in a widespread secondary literature it is taken for granted that such mechanism is real and stands on a firm scientific foundation. In this paper the popular conjecture is analyzed and the underlying physical principles are clarified. By showing that (a) there are no common physical laws between the warming phenomenon in glass houses and the fictitious atmospheric greenhouse effects, (b) there are no calculations to determine an average surface temperature of a planet, (c) the frequently mentioned difference of 33 C is a meaningless number calculated wrongly, (d) the formulas of cavity radiation are used inappropriately, (e) the assumption of a radiative balance is unphysical, (f) thermal conductivity and friction must not be set to zero, the atmospheric greenhouse conjecture is falsified

Bill Sticker
December 27, 2009 11:17 pm

Great analogy demonstrating how linear relationships are rarely found in a complex dynamic. Sweetly done Willis.

Doug
December 27, 2009 11:21 pm

You just explained why few geologists are AWG alarmists. It is assumed by some that they are all bought by big oil, but there is more to it than that.
thanks for the great post.

Stefan
December 27, 2009 11:22 pm

Perhaps the meandering rivers are interesting also because they illustrate:
– they appear to have a very obvious and striking pattern which is easy to recognise
– but the particular configuration of that pattern is highly unpredictable
Maybe this is a point which contributes to people’s sense that, because they can discern patterns in the statistics of weather, that they can therefore predict that weather. Well, we can predict that a river may meander, but anything more than that is really stretching things.
Perhaps there are certain key variables about the sun which can be used to predict certain aspects of Earth’s weather — perhaps — but we can only know by real world testing. Computer models are worse than useless, they are positively harmful; a huge distraction. Imagine they were used to model meandering rivers. The computer could draw always the same configuration. It would look real, because it meanders, but the real life river would meander in a completely different configuration. So then the modellers try an “ensemble” of models. Well that could give you an infinite number of possible configurations, in other words, no answer at all! So the modellers decide that certain categories of configurations are just far too unrealistic in their professional opinions. Whatever is left is the carefully researched peer reviewed and consistent prediction. Meanwhile the real river runs off in a different configuration. Scientists act “surprised”.
But the greater worry is perhaps that NGOs worldwide and the UN seem to belive that they can manipulate the world populations’ development along the lines of “simple physics”.
Like, educated women have fewer children so let’s educate women in underdeveloped countries, to help them develop sustainably.

RR
December 27, 2009 11:30 pm

How is it that alarmists can quote “simple physics” to prove AGW, when CO2 only makes up .003 parts of the atmosphere? What law of physics explains how .003 parts of a fluid can warm the other 99.997 parts? Seems like a serious case of the tail wagging the dog to me!

anna v
December 27, 2009 11:35 pm

This is the first time I encounter a “constructural law”. I am auditing a complexity and chaos interuniversity course and I will ask around :). I am all in favor of conservation laws, but need to see the theoretical proof so cannot have an opinion on this.
Roger Sowell (21:03:31) :
Several problems with this. First, rivers are non-steady-state, that is, they wax from high flow (Spring runoff), then ebb to low flow (late summer). The shape of a river is created much more by the high flow events than other flow regimes. Anyone who has lived near a river knows this.
Think again? What area dries out and how much and how hard during low flow should be equally significant to the the high flow effect, imo. All it takes is a tree trunk cutting the flow, and how the tree is snagged depends on how the previous bed dried etc. etc.

Alessandro
December 27, 2009 11:38 pm

Ok, I got it. You, sir, are a fictional character.
A guy with a penchant for lateral reasoning and exotic scientific theories. Eschenbach as in “Gödel, Escher, Bach: an Eternal Golden Braid”: ESCHEr ‘N’ BACH.
See? See?

Paul Vaughan
December 27, 2009 11:40 pm

There’s nothing complex about climate.
It’s simple:
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/QBOperiod.PNG
http://www.sfu.ca/~plv/QBO_fGLAAM_fLOD.png
(to be continued…)

Richard Patton
December 27, 2009 11:40 pm

jt (21:54:39) : said:
“People keep making the point that Climate is Chaotic as if that meant Climate is unpredictable on any scale. However, there are kinds of chaotic systems which operate around “attractors” so that they repeat their configurations in quasi-periodic fashion. I would be interested in comments from mathematically knowledgeable persons about whether such kinds of chaos have been found, or are likely to be found, in the systems which generate climate, and, if so, what kinds of quasi-periodicity have been found or are expected.”
Another way to look at this is that climate is made up of a myriad of self-similar processes. Self-similar processes exhibit Hurst-Kolmogorov (HK) pragmaticity (aka long term persistence (LTP)) and thus have varying means. That is, the average will wander around quite a bit – rather chaotically in fact. The best resource I have found on this is Demetris Koutsoyiannis. Here is one interesting presentation he did on this:
http://www.itia.ntua.gr/getfile/849/2/documents/2008EGU_HurstClimatePr.pdf
His general work can be found here: http://www.itia.ntua.gr/dk/
One of his papers was discussed at climate audit here: http://climateaudit.org/2008/07/29/koutsoyiannis-et-al-2008-on-the-credibility-of-climate-predictions/

Benjamin
December 27, 2009 11:43 pm

Wow! that was a pretty good explanation! (I bet the “consensus” couldn’t do a similar thought experiment to prove that their model and predictions are accurate!)
And there is irony, here. The truth about falsehood was revealed by simple physics, via what simple physics couldn’t reveal about the truth.
Or something like that (it’s early, and I’m not the sharpest knife in the drawer to begin with, so if that sounded dumb… 🙂

tallbloke
December 27, 2009 11:44 pm

gtrip (20:00:23) :
Where do the proles fit in?

They get to dig the channels which divert the flow of money into the pockets of the rich.
Thanks Willis, great post.

gtrip
December 27, 2009 11:56 pm

Beware of becoming what you despise…and that’s all I got to say about that.

Dave vs Hal
December 27, 2009 11:57 pm

A complex system with negative feedbacks maintaining an equilibrium. Sounds suspiciously like the G… word (the earth behaving like a simple organism). Life co-evolved with this planet and it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the feedbacks are biological. Lovelock may one day be pardoned by the church of scepticism.

Michael
December 27, 2009 11:58 pm

I think we’re wearing out the evil doers and the people promoting evil deeds. I just get that feeling.

tallbloke
December 27, 2009 11:59 pm

jt (21:54:39) :
People keep making the point that Climate is Chaotic as if that meant Climate is unpredictable on any scale. However, there are kinds of chaotic systems which operate around “attractors” so that they repeat their configurations in quasi-periodic fashion. I would be interested in comments from mathematically knowledgeable persons about whether such kinds of chaos have been found, or are likely to be found, in the systems which generate climate, and, if so, what kinds of quasi-periodicity have been found or are expected.

In the very long term, the Earth seems to oscillate between two attractors which have average temperatures of 9C and 22C. It has oscillated between them about half a dozen times over the last 500M years.
In the longish term, it has oscillated between around 9C and 15C about 20 timesover the last 2 million years.
In the medium term it seems to have oscillated between around 11C and 14C around 5 times over the last 7 thousand years.
What will it do next?
Place bets now. 🙂

hotrod
December 28, 2009 12:00 am

Les Francis (22:06:09) :
Physics.
According to the laws of physics and aerodynamics, it is impossible for the humble bumblebee to fly.

NO you should have phrased it as :
Blockquote>According to (our understanding of) the laws of physics and aerodynamics, it is impossible for the humble bumblebee to fly.
It is not the laws of physics which are wrong the bumble bee did in fact fly, it was our lack of understanding of insect flight and how aerodynamic processes change in very small flight environments. Many insects use vortex generation to create lift not conventional airfoil lift generated by flow over a surface.
The problem of how the butterfly or bumble bee flies is a good example of how chaotic things get when you move outside of the domain your models have skill in. We can adequately model aerodynamic forces on conventionally constructed planes operating in well understood aerodynamic environments. When we push the envelope as we did passing into supersonic flight we had to learn some new rules to add to our formula.
There is no reason to think that the same applies when you go from a weather model which is competent at 3 days but is marginally competent at 10 days and totally worthless beyond 30 days. If the “climate models” cannot given the weather information existing in 2008 give a competent prediction for the the winter climate in 2009 why should we expect they can predict climate in 2109.
Larry

tallbloke
December 28, 2009 12:03 am

Dave vs Hal (23:57:26) :
A complex system with negative feedbacks maintaining an equilibrium. Sounds suspiciously like the G… word (the earth behaving like a simple organism). Life co-evolved with this planet and it wouldn’t surprise me if some of the feedbacks are biological. Lovelock may one day be pardoned by the church of scepticism.

Everyone interested in climate should read Lovelock’s first book. They might be pleasantly surprised as well as better informed.

gtrip
December 28, 2009 12:09 am

[please never post offensive tripe, such as that, again. ~ ctm]

Lindsay H
December 28, 2009 12:15 am

I see Nature is cerating some new jobs for a new publication Nature Climate Change and are looking for a Chief Editor & Associate Chief Editor
http://www.nature.com/naturejobs/science/jobs/122965-Chief-Editor-and-Associate-Editors-Nature-Climate-Change
Lets hope that some well rounded individuals with a working knowledge of WUWT gets the job and brings a good dose of scepticism to the new Mag.
Pigs might fly of course

Steve Hempell
December 28, 2009 12:18 am

Willis
“The IPCC says that if CO2 doubles, we will get a rise of around 3C in the global temperature. However, there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim, only computer models.”
According to this guy they are dead on – maybe even a bit more sensitive. Paleogeology (is there such a word?) seems to indicate it more and more. Care to comment?
http://www.agu.org/meetings/fm09/lectures/lecture_videos/A23A.shtml

pft
December 28, 2009 12:18 am

The article is right on. Climate is incredibly complex and we understand so little.
I believe Arrhenius main point coming out of the LIA was that a reduction in CO2 could bring about ice age temperatures.
Chemical methods used to measure CO2 in his day showed CO2 levels higher than today, but this may be due to an urban effect. Funny how nobody seems to measure CO2 in the cities to explain the UHI. I expect the results would be mnuch higher than MLO, located near a volcano and the largest COs source from the upwelling waters in the Pacific. So how do they reconcile the minimal weighting they give the UHI if results are 500 ppm or more.
I read one paper recently, not online though, where it was hypothesized that without mans CO2 we might be entering another ice age.
Models are only as accurate as the underlying assumptions, parameters and understanding of the science. Without validation, they are nothing more than fancy curve fitters who can only predict the past by tweaking the parameters, but not dependable enough to rely on for the future. Even the past they have trouble with, hence their best attempts to whitewash the MWP and LIA and send it down the memory hole.
Nigel S (23:12:24)
That papers online as a pdf file somewhere.

December 28, 2009 12:24 am

RR asked “How is it that alarmists can quote “simple physics” to prove AGW, when CO2 only makes up .003 parts of the atmosphere? What law of physics explains how .003 parts of a fluid can warm the other 99.997 parts? Seems like a serious case of the tail wagging the dog to me!”
Take a look at http://scienceofdoom.com/2009/11/28/co2-an-insignificant-trace-gas-part-one/ – the follow up post will be out shortly.
In brief, the argument from incredulity isn’t much help in working out the properties of molecules.
The fact that CO2 is only 0.04% of the atmosphere isn’t what determines how much radiation it absorbs. The wavelengths of long wave radiation – the earth radiates longwave – that each and every gas in the atmosphere absorbs and re-emits is incontrovertible physics. The very same absorption that is measured in the lab can be seen at the top of the atmosphere by satellite measurement.
It might seem like “the tail wagging the dog”, but CO2 absorbs radiation at 4.26, 7.52 and 14.99μm. Water vapor and methane gases absorb at other frequencies.
Can a tiny amount of cyanide kill someone? Can a tiny spark cause a big explosion? Can a gas which is 0.04% of the atmosphere cause 25% of the “greenhouse effect”?
Yes.