The Unbearable Complexity of Climate

Guest Post by Willis Eschenbach

Figure 1. The Experimental Setup

I keep reading statements in various places about how it is indisputable “simple physics” that if we increase the amount of atmospheric CO2, it will inevitably warm the planet. Here’s a typical example:

In the hyperbolic language that has infested the debate, researchers have been accused of everything from ditching the scientific method to participating in a vast conspiracy. But the basic concepts of the greenhouse effect is a matter of simple physics and chemistry, and have been part of the scientific dialog for roughly a century.

Here’s another:

The important thing is that we know how greenhouse gases affect climate. It has even been predicted hundred years ago by Arrhenius. It is simple physics.

Unfortunately, while the physics is simple, the climate is far from simple. It is one of the more complex systems that we have ever studied. The climate is a tera-watt scale planetary sized heat engine. It is driven by both terrestrial and extra-terrestrial forcings, a number of which are unknown, and many of which are poorly understood and/or difficult to measure. It is inherently chaotic and turbulent, two conditions for which we have few mathematical tools.

The climate is composed of six major subsystems — atmosphere, ocean, cryosphere, lithosphere, biosphere, and electrosphere. All of these subsystems are imperfectly understood. Each of these subsystems has its own known and unknown internal and external forcings, feedbacks, resonances, and cyclical variations. In addition, each subsystem affects all of the other subsystems through a variety of known and unknown forcings and feedbacks.

Then there is the problem of scale. Climate has crucially important processes at physical scales from the molecular to the planetary and at temporal scales from milliseconds to millennia.

As a result of this almost unimaginable complexity, simple physics is simply inadequate to predict the effect of a change in one of the hundreds and hundreds of things that affect the climate. I will give two examples of why “simple physics” doesn’t work with the climate — a river, and a block of steel. I’ll start with a thought experiment with the block of steel.

Suppose that I want to find out about how temperature affects solids. I take a 75 kg block of steel, and I put the bottom end of it in a bucket of hot water. I duct tape a thermometer to the top end in the best experimental fashion, and I start recording how the temperature changes with time. At first, nothing happens. So I wait. And soon, the temperature of the other end of the block of steel starts rising. Hey, simple physics, right?

To verify my results, I try the experiment with a block of copper. I get the same result, the end of the block that’s not in the hot water soon begins to warm up. I try it with a block of glass, same thing. My tentative conclusion is that simple physics says that if you heat one end of a solid, the other end will eventually heat up as well.

So I look around for a final test. Not seeing anything obvious, I have a flash of insight. I weigh about 75 kg. So I sit with my feet in the bucket of hot water, put the thermometer in my mouth, and wait for my head to heat up. This experimental setup is shown in Figure 1 above.

After all, simple physics is my guideline, I know what’s going to happen, I just have to wait.

And wait … and wait …

As our thought experiment shows, simple physics may simply not work when applied to a complex system. The problem is that there are feedback mechanisms that negate the effect of the hot water on my cold toes. My body has a preferential temperature which is not set by the external forcings.

For a more nuanced view of what is happening, let’s consider the second example, a river. Again, a thought experiment.

I take a sheet of plywood, and I cover it with some earth. I tilt it up so it slopes from one edge to the other. For our thought experiment, we’ll imagine that this is a hill that goes down to the ocean.

I place a steel ball at the top edge of the earth-covered plywood, and I watch what happens. It rolls, as simple physics predicts, straight down to the lower edge. I try it with a wooden ball, and get the same result. I figure maybe it’s because of the shape of the object.

So I make a small wooden sled, and put it on the plywood. Again, it slides straight down to the ocean. I try it with a miniature steel shed, same result. It goes directly downhill to the ocean as well. Simple physics, understood by Isaac Newton.

As a final test, I take a hose and I start running some water down from the top edge of my hill to make a model river. To my surprise, although the model river starts straight down the hill, it soon starts to wander. Before long, it has formed a meandering stream, which changes its course with time. Sections of the river form long loops, the channel changes, loops are cut off, new channels form, and after while we get something like this:

Figure 2. Meanders, oxbow bends, and oxbow lakes in a river system. Note the old channels where the river used to run.

The most amazing part is that the process never stops. No matter how long we run the river experiment, the channel continues to change. What’s going on here?

Well, the first thing that we can conclude is that, just as in our experiment with the steel block, simple physics simply doesn’t work in this situation. Simple physics says that things roll straight downhill, and clearly, that ain’t happening here … it is obvious we need better tools to analyze the flow of the river.

Are there mathematical tools that we can use to understand this system? Yes, but they are not simple. The breakthrough came in the 1990’s, with the discovery by Adrian Bejan of the Constructal Law. The Constructal Law applies to all flow systems which are far from equilibrium, like a river or the climate.

It turns out that these types of flow systems are not passive systems which can take up any configuration. Instead, they actively strive to maximize some aspect of the system. For the river, as for the climate, the system strives to maximize the sum of the energy moved and the energy lost through turbulence. See the discussion of these principles here, herehere, and here. There is also a website devoted to various applications of the Constructal Law here.

There are several conclusions that we can make from the application of the Constructal Law to flow systems:

1. Any flow system far from equilibrium is not free to take up any form as the climate models assume. Instead, it has a preferential state which it works actively to approach.

2. This preferential state, however, is never achieved. Instead, the system constantly overshoots and undershoots that state, and does not settle down to one final form. The system never stops modifying its internal aspects to move towards the preferential state.

3. The results of changes in such a flow system are often counterintuitive. For example, suppose we want to shorten the river. Simple physics says it should be easy. So we cut through an oxbow bend, and it makes the river shorter … but only for a little while. Soon the river readjusts, and some other part of the river becomes longer. The length of the river is actively maintained by the system. Contrary to our simplistic assumptions, the length of the river is not changed by our actions.

So that’s the problem with “simple physics” and the climate. For example, simple physics predicts a simple linear relationship between the climate forcings and the temperature. People seriously believe that a change of X in the forcings will lead inevitably to a chance of A * X in the temperature. This is called the “climate sensitivity”, and is a fundamental assumption in the climate models. The IPCC says that if CO2 doubles, we will get a rise of around 3C in the global temperature. However, there is absolutely no evidence to support that claim, only computer models. But the models assume this relationship, so they cannot be used to establish the relationship.

However, as rivers clearly show, there is no such simple relationship in a flow system far from equilibrium. We can’t cut through an oxbow to shorten the river, it just lengthens elsewhere to maintain the same total length. Instead of being affected by a change in the forcings, the system sets its own preferential operating conditions (e.g. length, temperature, etc.) based on the natural constraints and flow possibilities and other parameters of the system.

Final conclusion? Because climate is a flow system far from equilibrium, it is ruled by the Constructal Law. As a result, there is no physics-based reason to assume that increasing CO2 will make a large difference to the global temperature, and the Constructal Law gives us reason to think that it may make no difference at all. In any case, regardless of Arrhenius, the “simple physics” relationship between CO2 and global temperature is something that we cannot simply assume to be true.


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joshua corning
December 27, 2009 10:03 pm

Why are we calling climate chaotic?
In the first example Willis showed that human’s like all mammals regulate their own temperatures. I assume we do not call the regulation of internal temperature by mammals chaotic.
Why does the climate have to be chaotic? Can’t it just be complex and self regulating?

Les Francis
December 27, 2009 10:06 pm

Physics.
According to the laws of physics and aerodynamics, it is impossible for the humble bumblebee to fly

Andy Y
December 27, 2009 10:11 pm

Roger Sowell, ummm…. a heat transfer system IS a flow system. Come on man, that’s simple thermodynamics. So whatever criticisms you thought you were levying against Willis are completely unfounded and dumb. Additionally, no where in the entire commentary did he mention anything about steady state, so why you’re bringing that up is even more bewildering.

churn
December 27, 2009 10:11 pm

A stream or river will also maintain the same cross-sectional area. Make a change on one bank and either the bottom or the opposite bank will adjust accordingly to return to the original cross-sectional area. All this takes time and if the flow changes then this adds another layer of complexity.

Louis Hissink
December 27, 2009 10:15 pm

“A lot of hydrothermal activity goes on at these spreading centers. The process involves downward migration of ocean water through the broken basalt along the flanks of the spreading centers and expulsion of that water as heated, mineral-rich hydrothermal fluids adjacent to the spreading axis in a continuous flow.”
Er, no, the water cycle as envisaged by standard plate tectonics theory requires the suspension of gravity for starters, (less dense matter cannot descend into more dense matter), and it is more likely that the water coming out of the spreading ridges comes from the asthenosphere itself. Remember that igenous quartz crystals of the milky white color contain water in their crystal lattices – quartz without water is transparent – like a wine glass or the glass thermometer Willis used in his personalised experiment.
This raises the interesting possibility that rising sealevels might be due to degassing of the athenosphere and extraction of ground water by humanity causing land subsidence in the case of some areas in California. And this isn’t in any climate model.
Actually while WIllis’ concise description is spot on, he neglected to mention the role electricty plays in earth and solar dynamics, and when you add this component to the physics of climate, the whole argument for CO2 raising temperatures becomes farcical.

Methow Ken
December 27, 2009 10:15 pm

Excellent.

Larry
December 27, 2009 10:15 pm

Dennis Wingo (20:52:57) :
“This whole Arrhenius thing has always bothered me. His calculations were done before either Einstein or Plank’s work and without the foundation in quantum mechanics it is impossible to understand the absorption and emission of infrared radiation. I have been laboring through several of the papers that form the foundation that are used by the AGW community and have found that many of them do not say what it is claimed that they say. The best work in this area was actually done in the fifties and sixties and yet little of it has been applied to this modern era of computer analysis of the effect of CO2.”
Dennis, you’re not the only one who found out that Arrhenius didn’t say what some of the AGW community claim he said:
“Authors trace back their origins to the works of Fourier [37,38] (1824), Tyndall [39-43] (1861) and Arrhenius [44,46] (1896). A careful analysis of the original papers shows that Fourier’s and Tyndall’s works did not really include the concept of the atmospheric greenhouse eff ect, whereas Arrhenius’s work fundamentally di ffers from the versions of today.”
Quoted from Gerlich and Tscheuschner, Falsification of the Atmospheric CO2 Greenhouse Effects Within the Framework of Physics, P. 13, electronic version of an article published in International Journal of Modern Physics B, Vol. 23, No. 3 (2009) 275-364.
I haven’t read the whole paper (mainly because I don’t think I’ll understand it all), but these two German physicists are onto something.

Larry
December 27, 2009 10:18 pm

By the way, Willis, an excellent presentation. Very understandable for poor dumb laymen like me. Thanks very much.

dunbrokin
December 27, 2009 10:19 pm

It is the same in economics and politics….people seem to lack the ability to think about a problem in any depht…..they get to the first step and cannot go any further…real world analysis takes joined up thinking beyond this first stage….
For examples of this in economics and politics see Thomas Sowell “Knowledge and Decisions” and his “Applied Economics”.

Louis Hissink
December 27, 2009 10:23 pm

We have a rule of thumb in exploration geophysics – when the system becomes non-linear, all bets are off.

Clive
December 27, 2009 10:23 pm

Willis,
Thanks so much. I liked the “steel” block/human body comparison. Well done.
Thank you,
Clive

Richard Patton
December 27, 2009 10:30 pm

scienceofdoom (21:25:35) asked about whether climate is chaotic.
McIntyre posted the following regarding this question:
http://climateaudit.org/2005/10/09/weather-and-climatology-mandelbrots-view/

D.King
December 27, 2009 10:30 pm

We live on a liquid metallic ball,
covered by dirt and rock that moves,
surrounded by water,
encapsulated in a gas sphere,
spinning at over 1000 miles per hour, and wobbling,
hurtling around a sun, in a spinning galaxy, in an
expanding universe.
Simple physics!
P.S. I forgot CO2

Richard
December 27, 2009 10:31 pm

tom (21:09:47) : “..lack of total understanding does not mean that we can not derive some understanding from interaction of some of the basic variables.” No I agree with you there. Without going into the human body and sticking to climate and climate models we do understand that doubling of CO2 will cause the Earth to warm at equilibrium by about 1C, in a simple non-chaotic system, with no feedbacks.
“Doubling of CO2 may cause a 1 degree C temperature increase (no feedback case), or somewhere between 0.5 to less than 1degree C if the feedback is negative.”
What about the scenario that if the feedback is negative (and complex and not even fully known, such as cosmic rays, interplanetary dust, interstellar dust) doubling of CO2 can be accompanied by a cooling?
Consider this –
1. Anthropogenic “forcing” (warming) ~ 1.6 W/m2
2. Clouds (poorly understood) cooling ~ 30 W / m2
Get that “poorly understood” bit wrong and it will dwarf Anthropogenic 1.6 _ thats just one factor among many.
3. Climate has cyclical variations at temporal scales from decades, to centuries to millennia. We could look at smaller timescales and misinterpret whats happening on longer timescales.
Invariably in our climatic history the Earth has cooled while CO2 was rising and continued to rise. This shows that other negative factors seem to be larger than CO2 forcing

Gary Hladik
December 27, 2009 10:40 pm

tom (21:09:47) : “But lack of total understanding does not mean that we can not derive some understanding from interaction of some of the basic variables. I give you an example from two other comparably complex system.”
First, out of curiosity, how does one compare or rank the complexity of complex systems? Intuitively I would expect the earth’s climate system to be far more complex than a single human body, since as Willis pointed out, the entire biosphere (including countless human/non-human biological systems) is only one of several components.
Second, living creatures and market systems, of which we have multiple instances, would seem to be far easier to experiment on than the Earth itself, of which we have only one. It’s true we’re “experimenting” on the planet by adding various gasses and particles to the atmosphere and messing with its surface, but it’s hardly being done in a scientifically controlled way, and there are multiple “natural” experiments going on at the same time.

photon without a Higgs
December 27, 2009 10:40 pm

“As a scientist I do not have much faith in predictions. Science is organized unpredictability. The best scientists like to arrange things in an experiment to be as unpredictable as possible, and then they do the experiment to see what will happen. You might say that if something is predictable then it is not science. When I make predictions, I am not speaking as a scientist. I am speaking as a story-teller, and my predictions are science-fiction rather than science.”
from Freeman Dyson
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/dysonf07/dysonf07_index.html

December 27, 2009 10:47 pm

Leif Svalgaard (20:40:16) :
“Unfortunately, while the physics is simple, the climate is far from simple
That is because the Earth basically is cold without being too cold. Heat it up enough [say to 10,000 degrees] or cool it a couple hundred degrees, and simple physics takes over.”
Oh you mean like a star or the sun? Simple physics, totally predictable????

Mike G
December 27, 2009 10:49 pm

JAC (20:35:19) :
“Correct me if I’m wrong … but in addition to the climate being a complex system, by itself, CO2 can only warm the planet by a limited amount due to the fact that additional warming reduces logarithmically in response to additional CO2. For a “catastrophic” temperature change additional positive feedback mechanisms are required that increase the climate system’s sensitivity to CO2.
My point is, that even simple physics says that CO2 has a limited warming effect, and that additional complexity (i.e. positive feedback mechanisms) must be introduced to get the sort of warming predicted by climate models. Is this correct?”
That’s what I’ve read here and other places. And, the magnitude of the imagined positive feedback component the warmists are counting on is almost completely developed in the area of science that has become questionable as a result of climate-gate. To me, this is the main significance of climate-gate. It’s why they are trying so hard to dismiss this and hoping nobody starts connecting the fact that all of the evidence for the positive feedbacks are tied to the “value added” temperature data and the very questionable proxy studies.

Greg
December 27, 2009 10:51 pm

Re: Chaos
Check out this book, by Glick: http://www.amazon.com/Chaos-Making-Science-James-Gleick/dp/0143113453/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1261982801&sr=8-1
By the way, human physiological processes are chaotic, at least in part.
As far as the simple physics goes, how about we include the following into our simple physics to get a more complete picture:
– Solar viariation
– Sunspots
– Other external factors, such as cosmic rays influencing cloud formation.
– Variations in planetary tilt and orbital distance from sun (Milankovitch cycles)
– The Greenhouse Effect, primarily water vapor driven.
– Various other greenhouse gases, of which CO2 might be the least important.
– Cyclical variations of winds and currents
– Heat and CO2 content of the oceans
– Ice albedo from poles and glaciers.
– Light absorbtion and reflection as land areas change color due to climate change and land use.
– Clouds
– CO2 scrubbing by forests
– Volcanoes and other geothermal activity
– Heat added to the ocean from underwater geo activity
– Geology (which changes over the millions of years.)
– Gravity?
– Land use leading to regional changes (eg: the heat island effect.)
– And probably a few other things
And then we add a little chaos… Yummy mix, hmm?

December 27, 2009 10:51 pm

Les Francis (22:06:09) :
Physics.
According to the laws of physics and aerodynamics, it is impossible for the humble bumblebee to fly.

Or the Hiller 23 helicopter. But no one bothered to inform the bumblebee, and the Hiller was flying successfully for seventeen years before some bright light “proved” that it was physically incapable of hovering, much less flying.
And learning to hover a Hiller required chaotic control application…

leftymartin
December 27, 2009 10:55 pm

Interesting post. Note that the Constructal Law bears a number of similarities to the Principle of Maximum Entropy Production, which is postulated to operate within the framework of non-equilibrium thermodynamics. As stated by Kleidon and Lorenz (2005), “at the state of Maximum Entropy Production, the atmospheric circulation responds primarily with negative feedbacks to external perturbations”. The principle of Maximum Entropy Production is the tendency of systems in steady state, but held away from equilibrium by an external input of energy, to produce entropy at the maximum possible rate. Expressed another way, “A system will select the path or assemblage of paths out of available paths that minimizes the potential or maximizes the entropy at the fastest rate given the constraints”. According to this principle, negative, not positive, feedbacks to external system perturbations are favoured (e.g. Ozawa et al., 2003). The Constructal Law also seems to infer that a flow system will tend to respond to perturbations (i.e. shortening the stream in your example) with negative feedbacks (i.e. lengthening it somewhere else).
The founder of the field of geotechnical engineering, Dr. Karl Terzaghi, is reputed to have made a statement that I think captures the silliness of the “simple radiative physics” being used in predicting the response of the complex system that is climate:
Nature has no contract with mathematics. She has even less of an obligation to laboratory test procedures and results.
References:
Kleidon, A. and R. Lorenz (2005). “Entropy production by earth system processes”, in Kleidon, A. and Lorenz, R. (eds.) “Non-Equilibrium Thermodynamics and the Production of Entropy”, Understanding Complex Systems, Springer Complexity, pp. 1-20.
Ozawa H., Ohmura, A., Lorenz, R.D. and T. Pujol (2003). “The second law of thermodynamics and the global climate system – a review of the maximum entropy production principle”, Rev. Geophys. 41:1018.

Margaret
December 27, 2009 10:55 pm

Thank you Willis, for a very clear explanation as to why increases in CO2 does not inevitably warm the planet. It is too simplistic and assumes that all other sources of heat input, absorption and radiation as well as pressure and volume remain constant over the entire earth. I read a blog which stated that it was obvious that temperature would rise in a garage if CO2 increased. I replied that the earth’s atmosphere is far more complex that a garage.

Mike G
December 27, 2009 11:04 pm

Willis,
Was “unbearable” a play on the titles of the most recent posts?