Add this to the United State’s Senate failure to even address the cap and trade issue, and it appears that carbon trading is losing the financial and political luster it once had. Now Australia’s ETS scheme is delayed in their senate with little hope of revival.
This says it pretty well at ABC News:
Senate kills off emissions trade laws
The Associated Press says:
Australia’s Parliament defeats global warming bill
Australia’s Parliament defeated legislation to set up a greenhouse gas emissions trading system on Wednesday, throwing a central plank of the government’s plans to combat global warming into disarray.
…
The 41-33 vote followed a tumultuous debate in which the conservative main opposition party at first agreed to support a version of the government’s bill, then dramatically dumped its leader and switched sides after bitter divisions erupted within the party.
From the Australian:
KEVIN Rudd has lost his bid to deliver an emissions trading scheme in Australia before talks in Copenhagen but won an early election trigger after the Senate formally rejected the laws again today.
Just two Liberal senators broke ranks with a clear mandate among Coalition MPs to delay an ETS and voted with Labor on an emissions trading scheme
Deputy Senate leader Eric Abetz declared: “The CPRS is dead. And no amount of CPR can revive it”
Herald Sun columnist Andrew Bolt writes:
Rudd’s great tax on everything is defeated
How close was that bullet? A mad new tax is voted down, thanks only to Tony Abbott’s one-vote win over Malcolm Turnbull yesterday…
Maybe it had something to do with this:
“We have heard from the Independent Pricing Regulator in NSW just yesterday that this ETS would add 30 per cent to the people of NSW’s power bills …
And as Bolt points out to WUWT a couple of days ago, Climategate figured in as well:
Rudd’s belief that man is heating the world is based almost entirely on the reports of the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.
But thousands of emails uncovered in this month’s Climategate scandal show that the scientists most responsible for those reports did not just doctor data, destroy awkward evidence, and censor sceptical scientists.
They also show some of them privately admitting that the world seems not to be heating as they (and Rudd) predicted.
“Where the heck is global warming?” raged Kevin Trenberth, an IPCC lead author, to another Climategate scientist: “The fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”
Fair Dinkum.
On the SMH front page to this article there is an image of the Sun and what appears to be a beach-goer.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cold-comfort-the-psychology-of-climate-denial-20091202-k5r8.html?autostart=1
I thought the science of AGW was all about CO2 as the driver and nothing to do with the Sun?
SABR Matt Australia has a universal health scheme. It works quite well and was brought in many decades ago. As part of your taxation a percentage is deducted for it. It is usd as a safety net. So as doug says don’t raise it this is a different issue.
MikeO (20:17:45) :
The Coalition has called their bluff and Labor has backed down and will not call the dissolution!
No, Labor didn’t say that. Julia G said they would not call an early election, meaning they’ll try again with the ETS. Labor can now call a dissolution at any time for the remainder of the term. It will re-emerge as a real threat when the debate resumes in February.
Vote Quimby:
According to Kenny, the National Anthem goes “Australians all let us ring Joyce for she is young and free…”
Gene Nemetz (21:28:57) :
watch this video for the announcement by one Barbara Boxer
Gene, it wasn’t necessary to include the word “one” in your comment. Two Barbara Boxers would constitute a tipping point from which there would be no return. Thank God Babbs is a one and only–wait I take that back–I can’t thank Him, He gave us “one” Barbara Boxer.
rbateman (19:41:58) :
And a Merry Christmas to all the Who’s in Whoville, Australia tonight.
How the Grinch almost stole the Climate.
Or maybe it was the Ghost’s of Climates Past.
Thanks, and the same to you. Our Decembers are hot but we cool off by sending Christmas cards with scenes like …
http://www.thedailygreen.com/cm/cosmogirl/images/KN/snowfall-christmas-lg.jpg
The biggest problem for NZ now is that Australia is our biggest trading partner for exports at 23.6%
NZ business is going to be shackled with ETS costs while Aussie ones aren’t.
Result = less business for NZ.
That will, of course, go for any country with no carbon emissions legislation like – US (#2 trading partner – 9.8%), China (#4 – 5.3%) etc etc
In other words – we’re [self snip]
“Geoff C (21:03:53) :
Patrick Davis (19:49:59) :
“Hosco (19:45:47) :
Fair Dinkum?”
Fair go, fair change etc etc…meaning good.
Nope, fair dinkum means true or “true and not joking around!”, “seriously!””
Well, I am told by my Aussie work-mate sitting right next to me that it can mean many things as it is slang, so “Really?”, or “Fair go” too would work, but does depend on the context. Overall, all examples are valid.
This might help people understanding Australians 🙂
Oh Doh!, thought the webpage part was for putting in a link, here is the link lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_Dinkum
Stern vs Plimer:
Plimer is London is proud of his fellow Ozzie sceptics while across town Stern portrays them (ie all skeptics) as muddled and confused.
Daily Mirror runs with headline and Plimer :
http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/143573
http://www.express.co.uk/ourpaper/view/2009-12-02
Good bet of footage of both here:
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200912/r479916_2437811.asx
In Oz we would say in an expression, is that fella Watts’ fair dink(um) or what.
which translates is he real, is he trustworthy, does he mean what he says, can he do what he says he will. will he stand with his mates, and will he honor his bets, will he honor his shout (turn to pay for a drink), will he steal your girlfriend or your car.
One term describes a person.
in the things that matter.
(or will he steal you girlfriend or your car) oops this english thing is hard isn’t it.
Anyway it’s the drift that matters.
Well done, Aussies. Now if only our U.S. Senate can follow their lead. . .
“Vote Quimby (22:46:04) :
This might help people understanding Australians :-)”
OT, I dodn’t think that’s possile, and I’ve lived here for years and I mean they invented AFL after all.
mkurbo (19:14:57)
“Respectable scientists operate by considering a question, developing a methodology to answer that question, and only then arriving at a conclusion. They disdain political interference, and go to the media only when their conclusions warrant immediate public attention. The Union of Concerned Scientists stands this process on its head. It develops a press strategy first, and then conducts politically tainted and methodologically flawed analysis. After all, it’s getting harder to convince the media that your environmental scare is more lurid than the next guy’s. You need good PR. That’s why UCS partners with slick Washington PR firms — to get attention, whether or not there’s good science behind the sound bites.”
http://www.activistcash.com/organization_overview.cfm/oid/145
According to the SMH which has barely mentioned ClimateGate, this is why I’m Cleopatra, Queen of Denial http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/cold-comfort-the-psychology-of-climate-denial-20091202-k5r8.html
There is also a poll on “Do you believe in Climate Change and Global Warming?” The votes at present indicate 61% believe. I notice they didn’t say Man-made/Anthropogenic GW/CC. Sigh. http://www.smh.com.au/polls/politics/form.html
Chicken entrail analysis, consulting oracles, now it is “computer models” . . . as the sort which said that the price of real property was going to keep increasing in the near future . . . just before the real estate market crashed.
THERE IS NO WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE
There are ways to prevent or diminish the future impacts of natural forces, such as well designed storm drain systems, but in the end, even these will fail to protect us from natural forces.
twawki, you ain’t kidding. The government is sh…t scared. To-day I listened to the most hypocritical ranting garbage that I have ever heard from a so called leader of a country when Julia Gillard (acting for Rudd whilst he swans home from his umpteenth trip abroad) reacted to the voting down of the ETS. All she could muster was to label the Opposition as deniers and extremists in every second sentence and preach how vital it was for Australia to have the ETS NOW. Problem was there was no real answer when a reporter asked her if was so vital why were they were not going straight to a double dissolution. Mmmmnnn.
Give him time Christopher, you do not kill a vampire by offering your throat the first time you meet him head on. Abbott is not Van Helsing, he must first unite his party, then the country or at least secure a convincing majority. But he is smart, the first thing he has done is to unclothe the beast by renaming it an Energy Taxation Scheme.
Hey, LarryOldtimer, don’t knock haruspicy; it had many hundreds of thousands of believers over hundreds of years.
Perhaps, though, it’s worth recalling Julius Caesar’s response to fortunetelling. Caesar’s consular colleague, M. Calpurnius Bibulus, announced that he was looking for omens (and, given that anything at all out of the ordinary could and would be interpreted as an omen) the traditional response was to cancel all public business knowing that an omen would certainly be spotted. Caesar, however, chief priest as well as consul, just quietly went about his usual business of running the State.
Would that more politicians ignored fraudulent fortunetellers and went about their legitimate business.
LarryOldtimer.
“THERE IS NO WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE”
Hedge:
My prediction is that predictions will in the future be shown to be mostly rubbish. 🙂
Following on from before.
New people to this blog forget that Anthony and his skeptical Co conspirators spent years taking the great US global hotspot apart. GISS. Site by site.
The land measurement system, so we would say in OZ that Watts is fair dink.
This bit now is the last bit. But he took the Hot spot apart, he stood up and said your land measurement systems sucks like a second hand yabbie pump.
Sucks is sucks in most english.
Steve Schapel
Patrick Davis
Feel free to paddle across and join us in Australia we will also provide immediate citizenship for all All Blacks as we would like to win the cup occasionally. It’s a real shame you got lumbered with an ETS as I was hoping that like to MWP it was localised and limited to the NH.
To those in the motherland take heart I am sure Gordon Brown will take up the slack after our cruel betrayal and tax you even further.
LarryOldtimer (23:34:34) :
“THERE IS NO WAY TO PREDICT THE FUTURE”
Why not? Astrologers can already predict the future. Why not Climatologists? 😉
Professor Ian Plimer said to-day on radio 2GB that Tony Abbot had sent him a letter stating that Ian Plimer’s book ‘Heaven and Earth’ had convinced him that climate change was a scam. Hence Tony’s much reported remark that climate change is crap (sic).