I’m off this weekend and part of next week– talk quietly and politely amongst yourselves. Don’t make me come back here.
If you have something worth posting on the front page, flag a moderator. Those that want to do guest posts are welcome to do so also. Again, flag a moderator for attention. I’ll update when I can but I have quite a busy schedule in the next week that will keep me offline for extended periods.
– Anthony
Stephen Skinner (04:28:13) :
…Russian…Alaskan…
Wasn’t –PDO supposed to be causing that area to freeze faster?
OK, Lucy, here is somebody counting.
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/proveitraw.html
Watch the discontinuity on noveber 12!!
Do they think nobody is watching?
Beth Cooper (05:11:37)
Beth – I propose lots of Sumerian mead at Wronwright’s place
With reference to a previous posting about the poll in the UK Times newspaper today, ( http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916648.ece ), the interesting thing is that the authors, Ben Webster, the ” Environment Editor” and Peter Riddell, state in the second paragraph the ” the greenhouse effect is a serious threat requiring urgent action ” ! I posted a comment about five hours ago pointing out their error, and that in fact the greenhouse effect is what stops our planet freezing, but to date, no sign of the comment. I also suggested to them that they should do a little self education on climate matters before writing any further articles. No possibility that this was the reason for my comment being binned ??!
Mark (06:14:33) :
Nice though the conspiracy theory is, there is no doubt the Arctic has been a bit warmer than normal this fall. Just check the DMI graph that Anthony provides at the side of the home page:
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/meant80n.uk.php
It cannot be warmth. It is way below freezing there. It could be ocean currents, but my money is on winds compacting the ice and creating empty spaces. Ever since that infamous Catlin expedition where the compaction was obvious in huge piles I put my money on wind. It would be good to have the wind pattern in the arctic, but I cannot find it. We have a nice wind pattern for the Aegean 🙂
and Europe, but not arctic. http://www.poseidon.ncmr.gr/
It will be interesting to see the coming photo op when Obama lands and makes a visit to Beijing. Unusual Heavy snow is coming in many parts of China including Beijing. He will meet the Chinese leaders to discuss global warming ”climate change” in preparation of the Copenhagen meeting.
The cold blast coming down from Siberia is impressive. I’ve looked at the forecast on BBC for the coming week. Below freezing should be common even almost down to the Vietnamese border. This is a condition similar to the blizzard that hit that area 2 years age during the Chinese New Year.
@Beth Cooper (05:11:37) :
“Three days to WUWT third anniversary. How shall we celebrate this outpost for enlightenment in a dark world? Here in Melbourne I intend to put on a fire works display.”
The appropriate way to celebrate is to fire up a barbeque grill and cook up some steaks. (n.b. Charcoal is best but gas grills are acceptable.)
continuing, on since no editing, anna v (07:16:00) :
OK, Lucy, here is somebody counting.
http://home.comcast.net/~ewerme/proveitraw.html
Watch the discontinuity on noveber 12!!
Do they think nobody is watching?
I think what has happened is somebody has put back the stuffing taken out back then when the stuffing on both sides was discovered. The discontinuity is about the right size.
Two headlines.
HEADLINE STORY NORTH SEA STORM SURGE
Piers Corbyn North Sea Storm Surge Countdown for the UK and other world events for the 17th-19th November
Thursday, November 12th 2009, 2:07 PM EST
http://climaterealists.com/index.php?id=4352&linkbox=true&position=3
Winds of up to 100mph (160km/h) have hit parts of the UK as a storm moves across Wales and southern England.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8360106.stm
Physicist & expert on weather modification interviewed:
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/latest/seeding-clouds/#clip234637
From the thread
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/10/23/and-then-what-happens/
First stuffing:
Stephen Brown (11:57:42) :
At 20:00hrs on 23/10/2009 the score stands at 349 IN, 485 OUT.
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Les Johnson (12:08:43) :
A big jump – 349 In, 1388 out.
The 1000 that were declared on went in
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dodgy geezer (18:01:39) :
I estimate that, on or about 00:00 GMT the ‘Count Me IN’ figure started a regular increase of about 7-8 per minute. The ‘Count Me OUT’ figure at this time was increasing irregularly, by an average of about 1 per minute.
I am going to bed now – the figures at 01:00 GMT are 1515 vs 4248. I
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On 10/26
Robert E. Phelan (23:16:04) :
3830 counted in so far 4545 counted out so far
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Maybe the shift changed and somebody said: “why did we throw out all these votes?”
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2009/11/obama-emperor-akihito-japan.html
Are there no limits to your presidents servility? He’s even giving appeasement a bad name!
Well, it is an open thread…
I have decided that my last comment was a little over the top. My sincere apologies for any disrespect. (Insert bow here)
anna v (00:49:41) :
Hey, denialists, a la Lindzen, have you voted
http://www.sciencemuseum.org.uk/proveit.aspx
I was afraid to vote because if you Count Me Out you are redirected to:
“To be counted out, just tell us who you are*. We’ll pass the results on to the government to let them know where you stand.”
Creepy threat.
Mark (06:14:33) :
“The fact that the red line is now into “worse than expected” “worst ever” range does make me concerned.”
Interesting point. I would suggest however that the “flatlining”, or relative smoothing of the wave pattern indicates a return to normal yearly fluctuations in extent/area. Remember that we are recovering from a rather deep low minimum in ’07. I would expect to see the highs and lows be less drastic as an indication of recovery.
Beth Cooper;
“Three days to WUWT third anniversary. How shall we celebrate this outpost for enlightenment in a dark world?”
I suggest we all breathe out a lot.
Arctic Sea Ice Extent discussion:
Hi all,
Some anecdotal comments.
It has been quite a stormy fall on southern Baffin Island (my parents live there).
They report unusually high winds this fall out of the S and SE. Normally they are coming out of the North at this time. This seems to match with Crosspatch’s (22:37:20) comments.
They had a big storm last night with maximal gusts of 34 knots out of the SE!
Quite a nice independent weather station in their community if you are curious.
http://www.kimmirutweather.com/
Cheers,
Ursus
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091114/ap_on_re_as/as_china_snow_storms;_ylt=AhMpuw8z88mpptmmufJkRc90fNdF
Record snow fall kills 40 in China.
Richard deSousa (23:23:53) : You asked, “James Hansen has been very quiet lately… is he sensing a turn in the climate? Certainly the climate temperatures have flattened has started to cool during the past decade which is not according to his computer predictions.”
Wasn’t he one of the people walking from somewhere on the west coast to somewhere else on the west coast to bring attention to something that needs attention brought to it?
The change to the pattern of the Arctic freeze intrigues me too, although things can change quickly in that part of the world.
Some idle speculation:-
I wonder if we are seeing the first signs of a cold NH winter as much of the cold air normally trapped by the Arctic polar vortex seems to be escaping (weak polar vortex due to less energy in ionosphere due to weak solar wind?).
An increase in temperature at the poles will have a small % effect on the amount of ice, but a major effect on NH continents – more snow – more sunlight reflected to space – more cooling.
Perhaps this is what causes the LIA?
Perhaps this is why the
School children being brainwashed in Oregon
This is so outrageous there should be firings or some way to prosecute the perpetrators.
http://www.oregonlive.com/tigard/index.ssf/2009/11/studying_polar_bears_gives_southridge_student_a_lesson_on_global_warming.html
Studying polar bears gives Southridge student a lesson on global warming
By Bill Oram, The Oregonian
November 12, 2009, 6:00PM
Sample this
“When even a polar bear is driven to drink, the world really might be in trouble.
On a recent trip to Canada, 16-year-old Patricia Billette spotted a polar bear lapping up water — unusual, because the arctic predators generally get all the water they need from the icy food they eat. The drinking bear, Billette said, is a telling sign that global warming is affecting the planet and, more specifically, polar bears, which she said are enduring shorter feeding seasons because of warmer weather.”
Sorry, having connectivity problems due to the heavy storms here on the south coast of UK, and the last sentence should read as follows:-
Perhaps this is why the sun influences climate on a quasi-periodic basis.
> Steve S. (09:08:09) :
>School children being brainwashed in Oregon
>This is so outrageous there should be firings or some way to prosecute the >perpetrators.
>http://www.oregonlive.com/tigard/index.ssf/2009/11/studying_polar_bears_gives_southridge_student_a_lesson_on_global_warming.html
>Studying polar bears gives Southridge student a lesson on global warming
>By Bill Oram, The Oregonian
>November 12, 2009, 6:00PM
I take this personally! My subpopulation around Churchill is doing quite fine thank-you.
Grrrrr
Ursus
Stephen Skinner (05:04:33) :
EU sets 20% target for carbon cuts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jan/23/climatechange.eu1
EU ‘will ignore advice to ban bluefin fishing’
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6916573.ece
Fantastic, so we will get under control a trace element that has changed it’s relationship to the atmosphere by 1% of 1%. Meanwhile we will continue to overfish an important food to the point where it disappears. Any lessons learnt from the Grand Banks?
The lunatics are running the asylum”.
It’s worse, corrupt lunatics are running the asylum.