Excerpts from Reuters story: EPA C02 endangerment finding to White House
By Tom Doggett
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency has sent its final proposal on whether carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gas emissions pose a danger to human health and welfare to the White House for review, EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson told Reuters on Monday.
The EPA’s final finding, if it follows the agency’s earlier assessment and is approved by the Office of Management and Budget, would allow the EPA to issue rules later to regulate greenhouse gas emissions, even if Congress fails to pass legislation to cut U.S. emissions of the heat-trapping gases that contribute to global warming.
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She said the OMB has up to 90 days to review the proposal, but the EPA would like a quicker timetable.
“We’ve briefed them a couple of times. So we’re hoping for an expedited review,” Jackson said.
Along with its final endangerment finding, the EPA also sent to OMB the agency’s final finding on whether cars and trucks “cause or contribute to that pollution,” Jackson said.
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She said the EPA received more than 300,000 comments on its initial proposed public health endangerment and vehicle pollution findings that were issued last April.
Complete story here
The EPA didn’t listen to people’s concerns. The OMB manages to stay above the politics and tends to come up with cost estimates that have a chance of being accurate.
I don’t know if they welcome public input, I don’t think they do, but I’m sure they are aware that the EPA document has an agenda, as we heard here at http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/05/13/leaked-omb-co2-memo-no-demonstrated-direct-health-effects/
So the EPA has briefed the OMB a couple times, perhaps they’d be willing to say who has presented the other side(s) of the story.
EPA:
step 1 – CO2 is pollution
Step 2 – CO2 is a danger
Step 3 – cars and trucks cause and contribute to that pollution, so do power plants using Coal, Petroleum and Natural Gas.
Step 4 – Shut them down, go backwards to the middle ages and US lawmakers be damned.
One wonders how they have to justify such a finding. I could send a finding to the White House too saying that argon is an endangerment. I admit it would be a tough one, but the last time I put a plant in an atmosphere of pure argon it died, while when I put it in an atmosphere of CO2 it did quite well thanks. We should thus make all possible strides in removing the third most prevalent gas from the atmosphere least all the plants on our planet become history.
Around 96% of the CO2 in the air is from natural sources. So the EPA will declare a 96% natural gas needed for life on this planet as a pollutant?
I say that we should declare the EPA as a danger against the natural order of this earth and shut them down.
My 2 cents.
Oh boy, I am about to reach my tipping point…
EPA is clearly in the grip of politics.
We should therefore demand an independent evaluation and insight in the endangerment findings.
No way a ruling body must be in a position to set it’s own rules.
Work to do here.
This is about your freedom, so fight for it.
The hard core lefty idealogues which are running you country and currently have it circling the drain don’t care about anything except their radical agenda. The USA is well into its sunset.
It is very sad that science is being abused for political purposes.
Do you really believe that the EPA actually read and considered the >300,000 comments that were submitted? I feel very much abused, since I spent approximately 3 full days writing detailed comments with references in response to the EPA’s proposals.
A great EVIL is spreading across the US.
This is the ongoing madness of those who seek a climate scapegoat for political ends. What will they do as the world continues to cool? Do they think people arnt going to be angry?
Not a legal peep from the vehicle manufacturers?
Pter,
You may be correct. But many of will resist going gently into that sunset.
“She said the EPA received more than 300,000 comments on its initial proposed public health endangerment and vehicle pollution findings that were issued last April.”
Most of which the EPA promptly ignored as extremist rantings from tea-bagging Republican stooges and added their names to the Whitehouse.gov watchlist, “These remarks show an anti-Obama and anti-science agenda,” Ms Jackson then asked the reporters “do you like my unicorn? his name is Bob and he hates when scientists say he never existed because he is right here…”
Disclaimer Required in the Case of Liberal Readers
For the record I made that bit up so do not go thinking she actually said that.
Who the hell is running the country? Our elected members of Congress, Senate and the president or a bunch of bureaucrats??
A bit of realism from newsweek.
http://www.newsweek.com/id/221608/page/1
The article has an interesting calculation.
“Waxman-Markey’s goal is just slightly more than 1 billion tons of greenhouse-gas emissions in 2050. The last time this nation had that small an amount was 1910, when there were only 92 million Americans, 328 million fewer than the 420 million projected for 2050. To meet the 83 percent reduction target in a nation of 420 million, per capita carbon-dioxide emissions would have to be no more than 2.4 tons per person, which is one quarter the per capita emissions of 1910, a level probably last seen when the population was 45 million—in 1875.”
But we all know what the greens have to say on population growth.
tallbloke (13:32:30) :
Not a legal peep from the vehicle manufacturers?
ANSWER: They were taken care of as part of the stimulus package. $25 Billion (first go-around) buys a lot of co-operation and silence.
tallbloke (13:32:30) : “Not a legal peep from the vehicle manufacturers?”
Surely you jest. The manufacturers that just got bailed out with Federal money and are thus partly owned by Obama & Co. ? Don’t look for help from big business, big energy, or big oil on any of this. They’re sitting pretty. If you want to have any effect, boycott a company that supports leftist AGW theory and send them a letter.
Richard deSousa (13:39:34) :
Who the hell is running the country?
Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.
No-one is running the country. Everyone has abdicated responsibility. The Bureaucrats are relying on the PC autopilot of ready made responses and formulations, and the president reads his lines from the autocue like several presidents before him.
If you want the country running properly, you’d better form a committee of national salvation under the Aegis of the constitution.
As I mentioned on another thread, since it was the EPA that required catalytic converters to be used on autos in order to turn unburned hydrocarbons into water vapor and CO2 they must now require the removal of those converters immediately. Or perhaps they just want to find a way to ban the use of gasoline autos altogether? That would be quite a boon for the electric car business and switch the balance of power from oil companies to electric companies.
And don’t, whatever else you do, allow any lawyers to join it.
Richard deSousa (13:39:34) :
Who the hell is running the country? Our elected members of Congress, Senate and the president or a bunch of bureaucrats??
That was a rhetorical question. Right?
EPA finding says we have too many Liberals. We also have too many wind generators. They consume millions of tones of Carbon in being manufactured.
EPA sends CO2 endangerment finding to the White House
Peter Orszag, head of OMB, was quick to rebut the April story that his office was resisting the EPA’s “danger” assessment of CO2. Within a day or two of the “smoking gun” claims by congressmen, he was busily apologizing…
There seemed to be some initial resistance to Obama’s health plan too, but OMB ended up endorsing it.
How can he do otherwise?
Interesting. So if CO2 is a polutant there must be levels that are safe/acceptable as with any other polutant. If it happens to be around 270ppm then that raises questions of why the agro business regularly allows workers in CO2 enriched atmospheres of up 1000ppm and why that business seems to be working along the guidlines that 5000ppm is the maximum safe level? Clearly someone is mistaken.
The EPA finding is about as advanced as paint by number.
A brainless exercise in fine art.
Death to tyrants.
We must ignore this ruling. We must resist any implementation of it. We must fight this trannical power grab based entirely on a lie.
We must abolish the EPA. We must repeal the automatic standing in court the enviro nazis have to sue to stop our industry. This insanity has got to stop somewhere. I say we stop them now before the government gets their greedy hooks into us any deeper. At what point does the injury our government inflict on us cause us to rise up against it?
Living an 1897 lifestyle with a population of around 400 million. Someone isn’t thinking clearly.