A summary from Dr. Benny Peiser’s daily newsletter:
Delay is preferable to error.
–Thomas Jefferson
A world treaty on climate change will be delayed by up to a year and is likely to be watered down because countries with the highest greenhouse gas emissions are refusing to commit to legally binding reductions. The admission that no treaty will be signed at Copenhagen marks the failure of the process agreed at a UN meeting in Bali in December 2007, when industrialised countries agreed to deliver a binding climate-change agreement within two years.
–Ben Webster, The Times, 6 November 2009
Nitin Desai, a member of Manmohan Singh’s council on climate change and a former top UN official, said a hard-nosed concession-based negotiation to reach a global consensus on how to combat global warming would likely founder.
–James Lamont, Financial Times, 6 November 2009
The deadline for 192 countries to complete a new global-warming accord may slip by as much as one year, as negotiators hold back on pledges to slash emissions or pay financial aid to poor nations.
–Alex Morales, Bloomberg, 6 November 2009
We must all be willing to disagree about climate change; and respect each other for it.
–Mike Hulme, 5 November 2009
A British judge has decided that belief in human influence on climate has the status of religious conviction. This is being celebrated as a success by some activists. As a scientist who works on climate change, I find it deeply alarming. Is Jeremy Clarkson similarly entitled to protection if he declares himself a conscientious objector and wants to keep his 4×4?
–Myles Allen, The Guardian, 5 November 2009
The Times newspaper says it won’t be repeating an advertisement that contained a false and misleading piece of environmental alarmism. The advert, part of a series boasting its eco-credentials, claimed that the world’s oceans would be free of fish by 2048. Boris Pope had made the claim in a 2006 paper in Science, which despite its reputation as a prestigious peer-reviewed journal, has a weakness for publishing shoddy junk science on environmental subjects. He’s since recanted.
–Andrew Orlowski, The Register, 6 November 2009
Politicians use drama to build support and gain a reaction from the public. Look at the “Weapons of Mass Destruction” campaign over the Iraq war. And certain climate change activists have distorted facts about global warming, appealing to sentiment rather than logic, to scare citizens into believing their theories of impending apocalypse. Such tactics have undermined the scientific credibility of their argument but may still carry the day, enforcing a terrifying upheaval to our way of life. Their persuasive narrative – even if it is wrong – shows starkly the power of emotion.
–Luke Johnson, Financial Times, 3 November 2009
(1) ALL HOPE IS LOST FOR COPENHAGEN CLIMATE TREATY, BRITISH OFFICIALS SAY
Ben Webster, The Times, 6 November 2009
(2) INDIAN GOVERNMENT ADVISER WARNS CLIMATE TALKS COULD FAIL
James Lamont in Delhi, Financial Times, 6 November 2009
(3) NEW CLIMATE TREATY LIKELY TO BE DELAYED INDEFINIETLY AS NATIONS ‘PLAY GAMES’
Alex Morales, Bloomberg, 6 November 2009
(4) OPINION: THE QUIET DEATH OF THE KYOTO PROTOCOL
Samuel Thernstrom, The American, 5 November 2009
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may it die quickly, rather than slowly and painfully.
Gives the participants another chance to have more big parties next year.
Somewhat OT, a very large iceberg near Macquarie Island. This is very far north for an Antarctic iceberg.
You would think this would be seen as a sign of Southern Hemisphere ocean cooling, but no, icebergs travelling far from Antarctica is a sign of global warming according to the people quoted in the article below.
Unbelievable.
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26316877-29277,00.html
Myopic.
FYI – Paul Hudson at the BBC has just written an update to his ‘Whatever happened to global warming’ piece from a week or so ago.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/paulhudson/2009/11/global-temperatures-and-the-fu.shtml
I’m sure he would value support. His last piece caused quite a stir I remember.
Philip_B: Hmmm, you seem ti have conveniently neglected this portion of the article,
“He said it was likely to be part of a massive berg that broke off the Ross Ice Shelf eight or nine years ago. And it was possible such bergs could become more frequently sighted in coming years…. It would become more common if climate change continues the way it’s been going,” he said….We could anticipate the ice shelves to break up over a long period of time.”
Not saying I necessarily agree with everything Dr. Young said, but at least try and not be so blatantly biased and misleading.
China and India will not change their minds in the next 6 months, or 12, or 24 etc. It’s a slow death with all hands on the pump. Some of them are tweaking the rhetoric, some of them are boosting it. Do we finesse it over the line or go for full blown fear? Neither seems to be working lately. Looking forward to the APS adjusting their position. That might really hurt. Perth, Western Australia
Hey! That’s the Little Mermaid statue in Vancouver, BC!!!
REPLY: Maybe they have a duplicate there, but this one says Copenhagen, see:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25829846@N04/2445489785/sizes/l/
-A
they are getting desperate…
http://hopenhagen.org/
Keep up the pressure, spread the truth!
Once more to the breach dear friends!!
It was supposed to be an EMERGENCY… if they can wait a year, they can wait another 100 years.
I believe that reality is FINALLY starting to set in.
IPCC needs more time to generate new data to put the hoax back into contention.
At what point do real scientists speak up … In the end, integrity is not a renewable resource.
RockyMtn (14:27:30) :
Antarctic iceshelves breakup all the time. Hundreds of sq kilometers every year. To say that a particular iceberg came from a particular breakup is pure speculation, and IMO an attempt to link what on the face of it, is evidence for cooling to claimed evidence for warming.
“It’s very much a tabular iceberg with vertical sides – it’s not long out of the Antarctic.
A more accurate statement would have been –
“It’s very much a tabular iceberg with vertical sides – It’s been subject to very little melting.
In summary, a large iceberg is observed very far north with very little melting. And this is somehow evidence for global warming. As I said, unbelievable.
I’d say the biased and misleading statements are rather more in the article than in my observations on it.
regards
Another year with A. Gore jetting around the globe, pitching his spiel. It’s sad watching a grown man making such an embarrassing spectacle of himself. Even more as an increasing number of people learn what a complex process the climate is.
Philip_B (14:05:48) :
“This is the first I can recall being sighted from Macquarie Island for many, many years,” Dr Young said.”
so, if many, many years ago the same happened. there is no way to link this to climate change. what would be difficult anyways after a 40 year downtrend in antarctic temperatures and near record sea ice levels.
weather-is-not-climate-expert rockymtn should really write another lament to that news outlet.
TIME is a deal killer. And it should be. If there are hurdles in a deal, they show up if a deal isn’t rushed. If a deal is a bad deal, rushing it increases the odds of a deal being made. Climate Progress Joe romm may just blow another gasket, but a deal that relegates sovereignty to who knows what should be evaluated with caution,.
If all the primary movers and shakers know nothing will be agreed at Copenhagen …. has anyone scaled back the plans for the 20,000 or so people expected to attend?
Sounds like about 20 or less would do. A pity for the Danes who may be looking forward to the cash spent but, hey, they are a rich nation and can afford it. Heck, here in the UK we are having to fund the Olympics and it would not surprise me at all if we end up paying to build it and they don’t come.
Manfred, Philip RockyMyn “Not saying I necessarily agree with everything Dr. Young said”.
Now at least two of you somehow neglected to read that in your zeal. Anyhow, Philip you were caught cherry-picking, whatever. I’m not going to argue with you about a clearly poorly written and researched article. Besides, this whole discussion is OT.
PS: Manfred, I was just relaying what the professionals/experts agree on, so please enough with the juvenile quips like “weather-is-not-climate-expert”.
RockyMtn (14:27:30) :
Icebergs scours are found in this geographic region dating back to the iceage when sl were 100 meters lower eg
‘Grooves measuring about 2?2.5 km long, 200 m across and 10 m deep,
can be seen in the seabed on the eastern Chatham Rise, at a water
depth of about 450?470 m’, says NIWA marine geologist Scott Nodder,
who led the Chatham/Challenger Biodiversity Project onboard NIWA’s
deepwater research vessel Tangaroa in August.
‘They were probably caused by an iceberg that carved off the Antarctic
icesheet during the last Ice Age 18 000 to 20 000 years ago’, says Dr
Nodder. ‘The sea level was 100 m lower then, so the iceberg would have
sat in about 350?400 m of water. The scours look very similar to ones
we recorded in the Ross Sea in 2004’, he says.
http://sci.tech-archive.net/pdf/Archive/sci.geo.geology/2006-11/msg00074.pdf
On the other hand shearing a sheep on an iceberg off the coast of NZ could be perceived as unusual.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/shearing/news/article.cfm?c_id=1500910&objectid=10412944
Barely a ripple:
British climate change campaigners ride The Wave
The Wave claims to be ‘UK’s biggest ever demonstration for urgent action on climate change’. Will you take part – and do marches work?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/nov/05/climate-coalition-the-wave
The Guardian typically gets a few hundred comments for such articles, but this one has got only 22 so far. The pick is by clintheine:
The Wave you say? How appropriate of a name for these environmental religious zealots.
The Wave was originally the name of a book/movie where students were blindly following a hardline and very misguided ideology – through peer pressure and brainwashing. Google it. It was a great story on how people get caught up in badly thought out groupthink.
Top marks for the name guys!
Nice headline pic. Makes a change from polar bears on ice floes.
Anyone worked out the carbon footprint of 20,000 climate change delegates yet?
“”” Mark Wagner (13:59:41) :
may it die quickly, rather than slowly and painfully. “””
Actually the more pain the better; it’s about time that these zealous fools were made to suffer for all the misery they have already spread through this insanity.
And if you Europeans want the US tp pay any money for your silliness; why don’t you wait, untill your carbon footprint is in the net carbon sink quadrant like the USA is; and incidently WE are the ONLY ones on earth (of any size) who can say that.
We have always maintained our carbon offsets in the plus column through our intense forest farming, and other agriculture.
So when you Europeans become carbon negative; why don’t you give us a shout.
In any case the Indians, and Chinese already know you are crazy; so they aren’t going to pay any attention to your foolishness.
Before painting China and India as bad guys, it’s important to note that China has 17 large nuclear power reactors under construction and India has 6. Each of these will offset approximately 20,000 tons per day CO2 when they go on-line. This is compared to coal burning plants, which are generally the world’s default method of generating electricity. Whether you think CO2 is bad, or just believe we should leave the fossils in the ground for our children, the answer is the same. China and India are doing something. The U.S. is building either zero or one, depending on how you count.
Before the criticism starts; yes, I have personally bought and installed 250 Watts of PV, and plan to buy about 20 kW more.
They won’t go away, check this out at Junkscience.com: Gore makes climate fight ‘a moral duty’
Ray (14:33:38) : “Hey! That’s the Little Mermaid statue in Vancouver, BC!!!
REPLY: Maybe they have a duplicate there, but this one says Copenhagen, see:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25829846@N04/2445489785/sizes/l/ -A”
Mermaids are a myth, guys. How appropriate for a myth to be the symbol of Copenhagen, erstwhile capital of the anthropogenic global warming myth.