Guardian: Senate to delay climate debate 5 weeks – no deal before Copenhagen

US puts climate debate on hold for five weeks despite plea by Merkel

• Senate delay means no bill likely before Copenhagen

• German leader makes historic Congress address

• UN Chief says deal in Copenhagen not likely either (VOA News)

Angela Merkel adresses Congress on Capitol Hill, Washington DC, USA, 3 Nov 2009

Merkel delivers remarks to a joint session of Congress on Capitol Hill, Washington DC, USA, 03 Nov 2009. Photograph: Rainer Jensen/EPA

Chancellor of Germany Angela

by Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington and Damian Carrington in UK

International negotiators lost one of the key elements to a successful deal on global warming today after Democratic leaders in the US Congress ruled out passing a climate change law before 2010. In the latest obstacle on the road to the UN summit in Copenhagen next month, Senate leaders ordered a five-week pause to review the costs of the legislation.

The delay, which would push a Senate vote on a climate change bill into next year, frustrates a last-minute push by the German chancellor, Angela Merkel, and the UN secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, to get America to commit itself at home to cut greenhouse gas emissions before the Copenhagen meeting. World leaders – and US officials – have repeatedly said US legislation is crucial to a deal on global warming.

Merkel used a historic address to a joint session of Congress today to urge America to act on climate change, stating that success at Copenhagen rested on the willingness of all countries to accept binding reductions in carbon emissions.

The first German leader to ever address both houses of Congress, Merkel said a deal was comparable in importance to the tearing down of the Berlin wall 20 years ago. “We need the readiness of all countries to accept internationally binding obligations,” she said to loud applause from Democrats. Republicans largely sat in silence. “There is no doubt about it. In December, the world will look to us: the Europeans and the Americans. I am convinced once we … show ourselves ready to adopt binding agreements we will also be able to persuade China and India.”

Merkel also raised her concerns with Barack Obama in a visit to the White House earlier today. He told reporters: “Chancellor Merkel has been an extraordinary leader on the issue of climate change. And the US, Germany, and countries around the world are all beginning to recognise why it is so important that we work in common to stem the potential catastrophe that could result if we see global warming continuing unabated.”

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h/t to Dr. Benny Peiser

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90 thoughts on “Guardian: Senate to delay climate debate 5 weeks – no deal before Copenhagen

  1. I suppose the calculation is that it is better to arrive in Copenhagen without a bill “yet”, rather than to arrive with a bill very recently blown out of the water.

  2. Well as long as “health care” remains the main focus of Obama and the Dems, there will be no move on cap and tax since it is as unpopular as the “health care” hoax. Everyone up for re-election in 2010 aren’t about to risk it all on these two catastrophes-in-waiting, let alone one of them. The weak Republicans have to watch their backs now and the Blue Dog Democrats won’t have Bush to run against this election, so cap and trade is a no go for now. Also it looks as if “health care” will be pushed into 2010, so don’t look for cap and trade to be taken up anytime soon. I am by no means calling “victory,” but its passage is not a sure thing either. Merkel can fly back to Germany bathed in the knowledge that the voters of the US aren’t quite ready to engage in economic suicide.

  3. Good news for all the politicians going to Copenhagen. They can have their jolies and achieve nothing. At the end they can all blame it on the Americans. The American Government can blame it all on the Republicans and the Republicans can kick the dog.
    In the meantime the closer we approach the next round of elections in the USA the less likely any such bill will get passed by the US Congress. I think there is likely to be an inbuilt majority against it consisting of Republicans and Democrats from Coal and Oil states. But then I am not an American so I might be totally wrong.

  4. “I am convinced once we … show ourselves ready to adopt binding agreements we will also be able to persuade China and India.”
    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!
    Thanks, Angie. I needed that laugh.
    There is not a snowball’s chance in hell of getting either India or China to agree to curb their emissions. Not without large payments to settle our supposed “climate debt” anyway.

  5. What chancellor Merkel said was: “„We need to agree in Copenhagen … Global warming must not exceed 2C. Therefore we need all countries to be ready to take international binding commitments.” (my translation)
    One should know that Ms. Merkel has appointed Prof. Schellnhuber as her Climate Advisor. This is the individual who seriously mentioned that, once in 2050, with 9.5b humans, wanting the quality of life as Portugal, the world would explode(!).
    Are those cheering Senators and congressmen aware what a position they support?
    Btw., I do share Merkel’s words when expressing thanks to America.

  6. …Merkel said a deal was comparable in importance to the tearing down of the Berlin wall 20 years ago.
    I think Ms Merkel should crack open a history book or two. Very bizarre.

  7. Those that have already screwed themselves for a hoax want company ..
    Where is the science consensus now?
    Did Al Gore signal the end? This is big. Al Gore is now saying carbon dioxide isn’t actually to blame for most of the warming we saw until 2001: http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/gore_clears_carbon_dioxide_of_most_blame/
    And does this mean Al Gore admits it’s been cooling for the better part of the last decade?
    Is he switching to a ministry now? What about the lawsuits to follow?

  8. @Simon, I think the last count is that he has received 200 mn US for speaking fees, etc. He may not be a billionaire, but he ain’t hurting either. The people that will be hurting are the guys at the bottom of the social ladder if this stuff goes into effect. Just ask the Mexicans who had the price of Tacos doubled because of the ethanol madness.

  9. Yes! The longer this mess is debated the more likely a tipping point will be reached, perhaps Cap & Tax will never pass.

  10. As we know that animal food production (meat, milk, etc,) account for 18% of all man or beast made green house gases (fart tax anyone?) and all transportation account for only 13%, the farming and ranching states are not exactly enthusiastic either. And Gore himself has said that he is not ready to give up meat. This gives us 5 more weeks to educate the elite about the real underlying factors that make our weather and climate.

  11. Slip sliding away, slip sliding away
    You know the nearer your destination
    The more you’re slip sliding away
    (Paul Simon)

  12. What is it that Angela Merkel, Al Gore and Michael Gorebatchov and many other wll known people have in common: It’s their membership of the Club of Rome.
    October 24, The Club of Rome held a meeting in Amsterdam and made the so called Amsterdam Declaration directed at the upcoming Copenhagen Conference.
    http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/club-rome-meets-amsterdam
    Have a look at the activities of the Club of Rome, the primary source of all the scare mongering in the world today. Non of their dire predictions have materialized.
    It’s all about grabbing the political power to control humanity, the current climate hoax is just a tool, nothing more, nothing less
    Take a look at the name lists of those involved, the connections to World Politics, individual Nations and the UN and you know this entire plot for a “World Revolution” is real.
    http://www.clubofrome.org/eng/home/
    http://www.green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html

  13. I wonder if she has read “the bill: it’s for sure that few if any of the robots she was addressing have read it; probably about the same number who have read the socialized medicine bill.
    I’ll be all in favor of “cap and tax” at about the same time that Coca Cola Bottling Company declares that they will unilaterally remove ALL CO2 from their products.
    Incidently apparently new research shows that there is NO SUBSTITUTE for CO2 in carbonated beverages. Evidently the human taste system is uniquely sensitive to CO2. Animals tongues aren’t; so other animals could care less about Coca Cola.

  14. Barack Obama…told reporters: “…it is so important that we work in common to stem the potential catastrophe that could result IF we see global warming continuing unabated.”
    Huh????
    Is it possible that BO is leaving an escape hatch?

  15. Terryskinner (17:03:15) :
    Good news for all the politicians going to Copenhagen. They can have their jolies and achieve nothing. At the end they can all blame it on the Americans. The American Government can blame it all on the Republicans and the Republicans can kick the dog.
    And the dog, tired of being kicked, will snap at the children. Prompting animal control to put the dog “down.” Problem solved.

  16. Merkel used a historic address to a joint session of Congress today to urge America to act on climate change…
    We aren’t listening to American politicians on the issue. Why would we listen to her?? (scratches head)

  17. Merkel said a deal was comparable in importance to the tearing down of the Berlin wall 20 years ago.
    PULEASE!!!!

  18. He (i.e. Barack Obama) told reporters “….it is so important that we work in common to stem the potential catastrophe that could result if we see global warming continuing unabated.
    continuing unabated—ya, it’s really getting hot out.

  19. We’ll know the ‘global warming’ excuse for world governance is dead when the Congress starts giving real scientists prime testimony time in hearings, when they start hauling administration officials in to grill them on misleading the public, and when the mainstream media start shouting “Off with their heads!”
    Until then, keep your powder dry. The Club of Rome, the UN gangsters, and the Obamunists are not going to give up easily.
    /Mr Lynn

  20. ‘The world will look to us: the Europeans and the Americans.’
    I am European, and whe don’t need the Copenhagen treaty that threatens democracy, freedom.

  21. BTW, why do we get news of Congressional actions from the Manchester Guardian??? Instead of a crack US reporter on Capital Hill? They all on break?
    And, is Ms. Pelosi really giving us the finger in that picture? These are real politicians?

  22. I am convinced once we … show ourselves ready to adopt binding agreements we will also be able to persuade China and India.”
    Ha ha, in wishing something utterly preposterous she has thereby highlighted the opposite reality. Maybe she’s laughing too.

  23. Gene Nemetz (17:56:29) :
    ” He (i.e. Barack Obama) told reporters “….it is so important that we work in common to stem the potential catastrophe that could result if we see global warming continuing unabated. ”
    … potential……..could……..if…….
    Nothing like causing mass panic with 3 weasel words in close proximity to each other.

  24. Indiana Bones,
    No reporters seem interested in this, either: click
    [I like how she holds her hand up like she’s taking an oath].
    [It’s only forty seconds long. Take a look. It’s great!]

  25. This is great. This is not the time for pessimism.
    Obama is running out of steam just when he needs it. And it looks as if the offyear elections are going great for the GOP. Clean 3-way sweep in Virginia by outstanding margins. And so far, Christie even has a good lead in NJ.
    Well, okay, the GOP can’t figure out a good campaign–but it looks like Obama has been doing the job for them!

  26. Sarko, Merkel, McCain…and Malcolm Turnbull in Oz. Very proper conservatives. Sugar and Spice.
    But that dumb Sarah Palin, she’s all snips and snails and puppy dog tails. She actually believes that Tina Fey’s hybrid runs on petroleum, and that you have to drill to get petroleum.
    Sarah probably think the Danes manufacture all those wind turbines (for export) using coal power. Like, as if you’d need coal when you’re the world leader in wind tech! And as if the customer nations would fall for something that blatant!
    But what can you expect from someone who thinks the Guardian and New York Times are made from trees? And she all but admitted to Katy that she thinks the NYT is only good for wrapping up salmon guts. I mean, recycle, by all means…but show some reverence, Sarah.
    Thank god that the current conservative leadership in the west is composed of people of sound understanding. (Though I’m a little concerned that Sarko might be going along with it because he’s got all that nuclear and hydro. Hope he’s not just trying to stick it to the Yanks…and “les sales Boches”!)

  27. “internationally binding obligations taxes regulations treaties…”
    Wasn’t a dry eye in the house among the Democrats.

  28. You know, one of the things that was said the other night with Lord Monckton and Amb. Bolton was how fearful the rest of the world is that the US might decide to stop funding the United Nations.
    Sounds like a brilliant idea to me. Stop funding people who hate us and take back some real estate that could be put to better use.
    *sigh*
    And while I’m wishing…I’d like a new puppy for Christmas….

  29. “Indiana Bones (18:40:41) :
    And, is Ms. Pelosi really giving us the finger in that picture? These are real politicians?”
    Nah! She’s just checking that stretched leather of a face for cracks. Time for another shot of Botox there Nancy!
    Yeah, low shot, I know but that’s one really scary [woman]! Those eyeballs…eesh!

  30. I just voted in Virginia amidst a decent turnout for McDonnell at my rural conservative district. From an a recent article:
    “McDonnell used Gore’s visit to call Deeds a supporter of cap-and-trade
    legislation meant to limit carbon emissions. Gore says such legislation is
    needed to combat global warming.
    Deeds countered with an ad calling the McDonnell allegation dishonest. Deeds
    says he will not support any legislation that would increase energy prices
    during an economic downturn.”
    Talk about going on the defensive! Exit polls in Virginia were that 40% was the biggest issue, 25% said health care was most important, 14% said taxes were highest, and 8% said transportation (as in widening crowded roads).

  31. Sorry about the lousy formatting and it should say “40% said the economy was the biggest issue”

  32. Indiana Bones (18:34:08) :
    I read the article you referenced. It paints a pretty frightening picture of higher corn prices and their negative impact on other areas of agriculture. They did not go into what the impacts were going to be for consumers, but it isn’t difficult to figure it out.
    The price of corn in Mexico was severely impacted by the reaction of the global futures market to the US’s program of ethanol subsidies. Call it what you like, but it happened.

  33. Merkel has a bad day.
    1. No US climate commitment
    2. Iran still does not cooperate
    3. The sale of Opel is canceled, Government Motors will keep it which means Opel will go bankrupt soon
    4. Pelosi giving her the finger behind her back
    I feel sorry for Joe Biden though. Just watch the expression on his face and you know he did not enjoy the view.

  34. Any US climate legislation is headed for the same Amnesty trash heap that health care is finding.
    All three were and are being attempted with wholesale public deceit by the proponents.

  35. Could Vice Pres Joe Biden please explain to us how signing into internationally binding obligations is a lot like tearing down the Berlin wall?

  36. It appears the Democrats may suffer the same fate as others. History has not been kind to the majority party after a presidential election. It bodes well for the defeat of Cap and Trade.

  37. All the politicians and government staff going to Copenhagen should sign an agreement before they go that if the whole global warming fraud falls apart they must repay the taxpayers money used for them to go on such trips. Will make them exercise a lot more due diligence and duty of care!

  38. Just Say No! Ironic that Nike has just dropped out of the US Chamber of Commerce, however their phrase is dead on.

  39. The Dems Climate Change Bill and the Dems who voted for it are feeling the heat…only the heat is not from Climate Change. It’s public outrage.
    And speaking of the top AGW Deputy Dawg, Glenn Beck pretty much took a shot across Gore’s bow when Dianne Sawyer posed a Beck question to him.
    Is it just me, or did Al Gore lose all color in his face?

  40. Smokey (18:58:10) :
    Thanks for the clip. Apparently studying the Scouts etiquette manual came in handy.

  41. Quoth Chancellor Merkel: “…the potential catastrophe that could result if we see global warming continuing unabated.”
    More “could… ifs”, and “if… coulds.” This is what passes for substance in the AGW universe.

  42. And Gore himself has said that he is not ready to give up meat.
    ~~~
    He’s also not ready to give up his house that use’s 20X more power in a year than the average family. Or his private jets, or limo’s, etc.

  43. Angela Merkel is EAST German born.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angela_Merkel
    “Like most pupils, Merkel was a member of the official, Socialist-led youth movement Free German Youth (FDJ). Later she became a member of the district board and secretary for “Agitprop” (Agitation and Propaganda) at the Academy of Sciences in that organisation.[5] However, she did not take part in the secular coming of age ceremony Jugendweihe, which was common in East Germany, and was confirmed instead. Merkel herself described her FDJ youth movement years as “cultural work”.”
    Once a watermelon, always a watermelon. Green on the outside, Marxist red on the inside. World domination by any means, especially religious environMENTALism & demographic change. It has happened before with severe consequences for Europe. No! Not the 20th century. 64 generations earlier! Thought provoking views at http://www.askelm.com/people/peo011.htm

  44. I do not understand the obsession of Germans by this issue. But since they wasted so much money on it, to save face in front of their taxpayers they probably have to.

  45. Carlo (18:18:49) :
    ‘The world will look to us: the Europeans and the Americans.’
    “I am European, and we don’t need the Copenhagen treaty that threatens democracy, freedom”.
    Carlo, your freedom was signed away today when Vaslac Klaus, against his will signed
    the Lisbon Treaty. Please read it and weep.

  46. From a historical perpective : the first time ever a German head of government addresses the U.S. Senate, and all she can talk about is this black magic stuff? How sad is that? I mean the two countries fought one of the most vicious wars, one of them has massive troops on the other’s soil, and was ready to fight to defend it from a serious invasion threat for decades, one sent many immigrants to the other, chirstians and jews, both have massive investment in one another and mutually employ hundreds of thousands, their cultures are deeply interpenetrated, etc. etc. And all she finds to talk about is this mad hunger for tax and regulation based on looney activism.

  47. Al Gore was interviewed on the BBC’s Newsnight program on Tuesday, November 3rd.
    You can see it all here
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00ntf4n/Newsnight_03_11_2009/
    The interview starts at 23.18 minutes into the program and ends at 34.09 minutes.
    In the interview he is still banging on, this time in religious terms, about the evils of carbon dioxide. He also says he’s cut his gas consumption to nearly nothing, and admires vegetarians for their attempt to save the planet. Copenhagen, meanwhile, has been downgraded to only produce a “framework document” on climate change for further consideration by world leaders next year.

  48. Well, at least America has *some* semblance of democracy left.
    Come the 1st December, the entire European continent officially acquires a distinct and independent legal personality. A legal identity with an unelected President, no less. It shall be tasked with the King Canutean task of “Tackling Climate Change” with a target of doing whatever is necessary to restrict average temperature increase to 2 degrees Celsius.
    Europe officially becomes a dictatorship on December 1st.
    That will be a sad, sad day for freedom.
    And when I was warning anyone who would listen that this was coming over the last decade, I was labelled a tin-hat conspiracy nut!

  49. “”the world will look to us: the Europeans and the Americans.””
    So the West plays ball and decımates theır ındustrıes, whıle Chına, Indıa and Asıa contınue pumpıng out all kınds of noxıos emıssıons wıth ımpunıuty.
    Worse that that. We close down clean ındustrıes ın the West, transfer those factorıes to Chına, where they then pump out ten tımes as much pollutıon as we used to.
    Whose haır-braıned ıdea ıs all thıs nonsense?? And why do otherwıse ‘ıntellıgent’ polıtıcıans get swept up ın thıs charade??
    .

  50. George E. Smith (17:38:41) :
    ………………
    “I’ll be all in favor of “cap and tax” at about the same time that Coca Cola Bottling Company declares that they will unilaterally remove ALL CO2 from their products.”
    And from the fire extinguishers. They are too effective.

  51. Ralph (03:11:32) :
    It’s worse than all that. Exactly how defensible is the West that strips itself of all industrial capacity? Talk about your mass hypnosis, or your mouse transfixed in front of a snake. These people have very short memories.

  52. Merkel in my opinion is dangerous.
    She’s a socialist in a conservative suit.
    But there are a lot of issues where she clashes with Obama.
    1. Obama wants the Germans to do more in Afghan
    2. Obama wants to keep Opel under GM – but Merkel doesn’t
    3. Obama wants to print money, Merkel doesn’t
    4. Obama is protectionist, Merkel isn’t
    5. Obama wants Germany to do more in Irak – Nein danke!
    6. Climate is the only issue they agree on. But Obama has a huge opposition to that in the US. In Germany, Merkel doesn’t.
    Forget Merkel on climate change. She’s been poisoned by that Schellnhuber charlatan.

  53. Gene Nemetz (17:45:13) :
    “Europe can go take a flying leap!”
    No, you take flying leap!
    AGW is an all American scam. Roger Revelle, Al Gore, James Hansen, Stephen Schneider, Obama etcetera are all Yanks . All evil comes from the American Democratic Party.

  54. “”the world will look to us: the Europeans and the Americans”
    This is Merkel putting the onus on the USA.
    If USA doesn’t come through, then she can blame a collapse in Copenhagen on the USA.
    She is a clever politician.

  55. Ken Hall,
    I’m in with you.
    But it’s just a matter of time before all this really begins to hurt, and the people revolt.
    Merkel has had an easy time governing in a grand coalition. But now her new government has a serious opposition, and that means she will be held more accountable for the bad economic conditions that are about to take hold.

  56. Carlo (18:18:49) :
    ‘The world will look to us: the Europeans and the Americans.’
    I am European, and whe don’t need the Copenhagen treaty that threatens democracy, freedom.

    Here is another European of the same opinion.

  57. Well, they don’t see the light until they feel the heat, and the voters look to be turning up the heat.
    Looks like a couple of more Republican Governors from what I heard on the news of early returns…
    Any “swing state” Democrat is either going to start listening to the folks back home or he’ll be picking out a new career path…
    Then there is that small matter of “A $Trillion here, a $Trillion there, and pretty soon you’re talking bankrupt governments.”… Oh, wait, we already have that in California…
    There is simply not enough money to pay for what we are already obligated to do. Heaping on 2 $trillion or 3 $trillion more for gratuitous self smugging projects like “Global Health Care” and “Universal Climate Control” is not going to fly. John Q. Public is getting the message loud and clear that they will be picking up the tab for those programs (and for the $2 Trillion or so squandered in bailouts and “stimupork”) and 1 in 10 of them is looking at a pink slip.
    Now there are a lot of 2 worker households So that’s one in five households. Minimum (there are the ‘discouraged non-looker’ and folks who’s unemployment payments have run out that are not in the 10% counted). Each of those folks has a neighbor on four sides (one is across the street). Do the geometry, I’ll wait…
    That’s right: On Average EVERYBODY has an adjoining neighbor out of work, or is out of work themselves… You, front, right, left, behind.
    That makes 5. (The diagonals don’t count, they are in their own cluster of 5 – yes the geometry works.)
    Some folks like the rich in congress don’t have that issue, so some slum will have 20% or 30% unemployment to make up. Now it starts to be nearly every other house…
    And they are being told to shut off the heat, have a “meatless Monday”, and in the case of California, fork over an extra 10% of payroll withholding on the spouse who does still have a job as an interest free loan to the bankrupt state…
    (In case you haven’t heard, the latest twist is that the State of California [ or should I say ‘The Peoples Republic of California ], having reached a ‘budget deal’ that was acrid smoke and greasy mirrors, is back in the hole big time a few weeks after passing the ‘balance budget’… so to tide them over, by administrative fiat, they have increased payroll withholding 10%… “but it’s not a tax increase”… Because in theory you might get it back when you do your taxes since tax rates are not changing…
    Except last time we were in a lesser problem than this, the State issued I.O.U’s for income tax returns. Nice little “warrants” you could hope would be paid back some day…
    Now step back and look at that picture:
    No job. No money. State sucking up any spare change it can find and doing a 10% “pick pocket loan”, and $2 Trillion already on the books from porkulus and bailouts… and a generational over hang in Medicare, MediCal, MediCaid, Social Security, etc. that runs out to about $10 Trillion in coming years… And you are going to pay for it? Yeah, right.
    So the bottom line is that these idiots can pass whatever laws they want and tax what ever they wish and limit fuels as much as they want and only one thing will change:
    The date when we hit the economic wall moves closer and the crash and burn will happen faster (steeper slope).
    I’d give it about 2-4 years at the present rate of current spending (not counting future proposed spending). Pass the rest of this “stuff” and it moves proportionately closer.
    I have great faith in the average person and their inherent grounding in reality. So as the “rulers” get loonier and “Joe Sixpack” is being told No Nascar and No BBQ Tailgate at the Game; the answer will be at the ballot box. And if that is ignored, well, it will just accelerate the change and steepen the “impact”.
    Frankly, I’d rather have it be fast and ‘impactful’. More of our physical wealth and infrastructure will survive and more of the loons will not. But I can live with slow…
    Sometimes you have to crack a few heads to make an omelette …
    or wake up their brains.
    WIth that said, the Copenhagen Party is looking ever more like a spectacular boondogle at exactly the wrong time; and the swing state voters are taking names and making shopping lists.
    Copenhagen is toast. It will just take a bit more continued pressure to assure it is a spectacular failure and does not just go simpering into August in Cairo…

  58. Something is seriously wrong if a President of a Democratic European Country makes this statement about signing the Lisbon Treaty, only 20 years after it was liberated from communist rule. I really wonder what powers and pressures were in place to force him to sign this treaty.
    It’s only to learn because similar pressures could be directed at the US Senate Members. I really hope he will write down his experiences in a book so we can read about it:
    [Good afternoon. Good, gloomy afternoon. Let me read you a brief statement on the Constitutional Court ruling today.]
    1. The decision of the Constitutional Court was expected by me and I respect it, even though I fundamentally disagree both with its content as well its justification.
    2. I can’t endorse its form i.e. its legal quality. The ruling by the Constitutional Court is not a neutral legislative analysis but a biased political advocacy of the Treaty of Lisbon by its champions. This point is obvious from the entirely inappropriate, confrontational elaboration as well as the presentation of the verdict.
    3. Most importantly, I cannot agree with the content because once the treaty becomes valid, the Czech Republic will cease to be a sovereign country, despite the political opinion of the court. This change is bringing legitimacy to the efforts of a part of our public that is not indifferent to our national and state existence and that doesn’t intend to come to terms with these developments – efforts that will take place today as well as in the future.
    4. I can’t accept the Constitutional Court’s decision to proclaim the obligation of the president of the republic to ratify this (or another) international treaty “without unnecessary delays” by references to the law about the Constitutional Court. This bill only deals with the work of the Constitutional Court: the rights and responsibilities of the president are defined exclusively by the constitution.
    5. I inform that I signed the Treaty of Lisbon today, November 3rd, at 3 pm.

  59. John Silver (04:08:46) : AGW is an all American scam.
    I think not. The UK list is extensive, starting with Crispin Tickell, who is still pulling strings, to the grey men in Defra, Jones et al at CRU and Hadley, Tyndall and all its ramifications. Don’t forget the scheming Schellnhuber at Potsdam, mentioned above and his Greenpeace Institute for Climate Change (Bill Hare, Malte Meinshausen),

  60. Ron de Haan (17:38:14) : “…the current climate hoax is just a tool, nothing more, nothing less”
    Oh, thank god… It’s just Officialdom being, well, Officialdom. Quite a bit depserate and more than a bit motivated to grow beyond it’s current borders, though, and that’s in a lot of ways much, much worse than an actuall problem.
    I think a hotter earth would be better. I mean, what WOULD they do when hundreds of millions of screaming people wanted to run their air conditioners and billions more clamored for an airconditioner, rather than hear another word of the warmists’ BS about cutting emissions? Right…
    Nature: 100
    Politics: 0
    …they’d be yesterday’s news!

  61. P Gosselin (04:10:17) :
    “”the world will look to us: the Europeans and the Americans”
    This is Merkel putting the onus on the USA.
    If USA doesn’t come through, then she can blame a collapse in Copenhagen on the USA. She is a clever politician.

    We’ll gladly accept the credit…errr blame.

  62. Put that blessed wall back up, quick!
    Oops! .. too late! The loonie marxist-socialists have escaped, and are running round spreading their misanthropic diseases. AGW is one of them.
    But seriously, it is all very simple. Too many poor people. So, give women higher standards of living and then they have fewer babies. Those babies will be richer.
    And a higher standard of living for women is deliverable by technical progress ….. which in turn requires ever-higher standards of thought and behaviour.
    However, communitarian/egalitarians are aiming at increasing mediocrity. i.e increasing the number of poor people .. poor in everything and not just in monetary terms.
    Communism Pollutes.

  63. The debate is nearly too funny to watch. The jet stream has been switching between La Nina and El Nino tracks nearly every other day. The greenies don’t know which placard to raise up any more so they now have them printed on both sides. On one side it says, “Extreme Cold is caused by CO2!” and on the other it says “The Earth is burning up!” They haven’t figured out how to layer though. So what you often see are these creatures holding up the side about extreme cold, dressed in California shorts, standing ass deep in snow with flipflops, and frozen solid.

  64. Barak Obama is losing all credibility on Climate Change. While he appears open-minded and ready to discuss a variety of issues (health care, Afghanistan), he is still playing the same hysterical cassette tape when it comes to AGW.
    Does he think Angela Merkel has much pull with US audiences? Do Americans like having others chiefs of state tell them what to do?
    It seems that more and more world leaders are feeling like lobsters being coaxed towards the Copenhagen trap. Many probably don’t believe anymore in AGW, but nobody wants to be the first to say AGW theory is bunk and Copenhagen is pointless.
    They are simply trying to kill the penalty, hoping the whole thing dies under its own weight
    If Obama was to see the light, and with his international stature, he would be in a unique position to deal a death blow to the senseless AGW bubble.

  65. “Merkel said a deal was comparable in importance to the tearing down of the Berlin wall 20 years ago.”
    Ms. Merkel,
    In 1976 I was riding through the German countryside on a train loaded with obviously American tanks and trucks to gunnery in Grafenvoer. We passed a small swimming lake about an hour from the East German border with an estimated 100~200 people swimming in it. As we passed, every single person in that lake stopped swimming and stood up and waved to us. They knew who was protecting their way of life.
    Those people were fearful of a very real threat, not the boogyman under the bed.
    There is absolutely no comparison, and I wish politicians would stop using such outrageous comparisons.

  66. Ron de Haan (04:30:32) :
    “Something is seriously wrong if a President of a Democratic European Country makes this statement about signing the Lisbon Treaty, only 20 years after it was liberated from communist rule. I really wonder what powers and pressures were in place to force him to sign this treaty.”
    The Russian bear gets ever stronger, with plenty of oil and natural gas, which fuels much of Europe, like the sword of Damocles hanging over our head.
    I think the Czech President was given the choice, sign the treaty or leave the EU and take your chance with the bear. I know which of these terrible choices I would make – lesser of two evils.

  67. If I could only wake up sitting in the Oval Office in the morning. Does anyone know the name of a good moving company for the UN and all their idiot cousins?
    What a fantasy!

  68. Ralph says: And why do otherwıse ‘ıntellıgent’ polıtıcıans get swept up ın thıs charade??
    Intelligence should not be mistaken with academic achievement. The latter tends to confine the subject to narrow, self-understood parameters. The former requires the application of common sense to the bigger picture.
    When did you last hear a politician applying common sense?

  69. BernardP,
    “If Obama was to see the light, and with his international stature, he would be in a unique position to deal a death blow to the senseless AGW bubble.”
    You seem to be labouring under the misaprehension that Obama is just some gullible politician being duped by the AGW hoax. I may be wrong, but I believe nothing could be further from the truth. Every play Obama has made so far is consistent with somebody who is extraordinarily authoritarian, an overarching big government socialist and probably a proponent of some kind of world government. In this context climate alarmism just becomes a useful tool. His pushing of climate alarmism, cap and trade and social health care are all perfectly reasonable and predictable. What would force me to change my mind is if he a) suggested that climate change is a complex issue that scientists poorly understood, that b) Cap & trade is too top heavy and a simple carbon tax is preferable, and c) any international treaty that overrides US sovereignity would be unacceptable.
    If he said any of these things, even one of them, I would reconsider my opinion.

  70. speaking of the Germans, did anyone note how GM (now controlled by the Obama administration which owns all the stock in conjunction with the UAW)
    just biyotch-slapped Merkel and all of Germnny yesterday? After months of negotiations and billions of dollars of German Aid meant to help an Opel takeover while guaranteeing German employment, GM just said “Oh! Did we say deal? No Deal!!! haha! Thanks for all of the cash!!! Too bad about those factories we’re going to close now!!!!”
    Merkel and the Germans are livid – they just got played for fools and stabbed in the back!!!
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601100&sid=a7jzGU3JxNS0

  71. E M Smith writes (04:24:51)
    There is simply not enough money to pay for what we are already obligated to do. Heaping on 2 $trillion or 3 $trillion more for gratuitous self smugging projects like “Global Health Care” and “Universal Climate Control” is not going to fly. John Q. Public is getting the message loud and clear that they will be picking up the tab for those programs (and for the $2 Trillion or so squandered in bailouts and “stimupork”) and 1 in 10 of them is looking at a pink slip.
    About the only “buyers” of the US dollar at the moment are the Chinese (who hold a large shedfull of them) and the Saudis. Neither have any appetite for more to fund either Healthcare or Climate Change (or indeed any other “liberal” (i.e. left wing) proposal. Where does the US dollar go then in international currency markets?
    I guess that question does not need an answer!

  72. No need for an agreement to stop the planet from warming another 2 C. It is taking care of that. Where is the plan to stop it from dropping another 2 C?

  73. Take a look at the name lists of those involved, the connections to World Politics, individual Nations and the UN and you know this entire plot for a “World Revolution” is real. Ron de Haan
    Yes you are correct. If you add in the grab for the world food supply, land (banking – mortgage crisis) and mining resources (environmentalism regs) you will understand why I have not had a good night’s sleep in a couple of years. That gives them control of food, energy, land and resources – feudalism anyone???

  74. ” Just ask the Mexicans who had the price of Tacos doubled because of the ethanol madness.”
    Utter tripe and horse manure. USDA reports only a portion of 12% (FSI food, seed, industrial) of the US corn crop goes to food products. Even with rapid growth in ethanol production USDA projects that number to drop to 11% in year 2017. Indiana Bones
    Actually it was a one – two punch.
    First get rid of the local farmers:
    Since NAFTA, the price Mexican farmers receive for corn has plummeted 45 percent because cheap US taxpayer subsidized US corn flooded the Mexican market. At least 1.5 million Mexican farmers have left their land. According to a study by Jose Romero and Alicia Puyana carried out for the federal government of Mexico, between 1992 and 2002, the number of agricultural households fell an astounding 75% – from 2.3 million to 575, 000. http://www.globalexchange.org/campaigns/ftaa/topten.html
    Second Hike the cost of oil and mandate use of corn derived Ethanol in the USA doubling the cost of corn. At my local feed mill the price of corn went from $7.00 a hundred weight to over $12.00 in a year. I now pay three to four times as much for feed as a did a few years ago. In 2008 Monsanto and Cargill (grain trader) had record breaking profits.

  75. “internationally binding obligations taxes regulations treaties…”
    Wasn’t a dry eye in the house among the Democrats. Zeke the Sneak
    Yes the Politicians keep hoping we will not wake up and realize the Constitution trumps any treaty.
    “A treaty can be nullified by a statute passed by the U.S. Congress (or by a sovereign State or States if Congress refuses to do so), when the State deems a treaty the performance of a treaty is self-destructive. The law of self-preservation overrules the law of obligation in others…
    “This [Supreme] Court has regularly and uniformly recognized the supremacy of the Constitution over a treaty.” – Reid v. Covert, October 1956, 354 U.S. 1, at pg 17.
    This case involved the question: Does the NATO Status of Forces Agreement (treaty) supersede the U.S. Constitution?
    The Reid Court (U.S. Supreme Court) held in their Opinion that,
    “… No agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or any other branch of government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution. Article VI, the Supremacy clause of the Constitution declares, “This Constitution and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all the Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land…’
    “There is nothing in this language which intimates that treaties and laws enacted pursuant to them do not have to comply with the provisions of the Constitution nor is there anything in the debates which accompanied the drafting and ratification which even suggest such a result… ”
    Source …http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/staterights/treaties.htm

  76. “…Worse that that. We close down clean ındustrıes ın the West, transfer those factorıes to Chına, where they then pump out ten tımes as much pollutıon as we used to.
    Whose haır-braıned ıdea ıs all thıs nonsense?? And why do otherwıse ‘ıntellıgent’ polıtıcıans get swept up ın thıs charade??” Ralph
    The guy behind the implementation is Maurice Strong, pal of Al Gore and David Rockefelller. He wants to kill the USA economically and promote China to the #1 spot.

  77. John Silver (04:08:46) :
    Gene Nemetz (17:45:13) :
    “Europe can go take a flying leap!”
    No, you take flying leap!
    AGW is an all American scam. Roger Revelle, Al Gore, James Hansen, Stephen Schneider, Obama etcetera are all Yanks . All evil comes from the American Democratic Party.
    Actually the idea comes from Maurice Strong Father of the Environmental Movement He was asked to organize what became the first Earth Summit in 1972. In 1973, Strong became first director of the new UN Environment Program.
    Strong is a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation, an advisor to the World Bank, UN and the World Wildlife Fund. “..Above all, he served on the Commission on Global Governance — which, as we shall see, plays a crucial part in the international power grab.  The Commission on Global Governance. (CGG) was established in 1992, after Rio, at the suggestion of Willy Brandt, former West German chancellor and head of the Socialist International. In 1991, the Club of Rome (of which Strong is, of course, a member) issued a report called The First Global Revolution, which asserted that current problems “are essentially global and cannot be solved through individual country initiatives….. ” http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_tavistock04b.htm
    This is not about Germany vs USA it is about the powerful and wealthy few who wish to rule the world vs the rest of us “serfs”

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