WUWT readers and many others at other websites responded strongly to my post:
Obama Poised to Cede US Sovereignty in Copenhagen, Claims British Lord Monckton
Now the full video of the speech is available of Lord Christopher Monckton speaking on October 14th, 2009 at a climate skeptic event sponsored by the Minnesota Free Market Institute. As an added bonus, we have the Powerpoint presentation used. Unlike Al Gore’s presentations, Monckton’s presentations are not “secret” and are available to the public. Also I have a link to the draft Climate Change Treaty here
See the video below.
Here is the full video of Lord Monckton’s speech. It is one hour and 35 minutes long.
Monckton’s Powerpoint presentation used at that speech is available in PDF format here (warning large download 17.5 MB)
Hurricane victims to sue Big Oil.
(Find proof in Al Gore’s Movie)
http://planetgore.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NTdhYmY2M2QwYzI0OGQ5MjUyMmZmNjlhZjI1NTU5Mzc=
Vincent (04:53:41) :
What you obviously didn’t notice is that the site belongs to Ed Darrell
DaveE.
“Hurricane victims to sue Big Oil.”
Well at least the hurricane victims are human. If Pres. Obama’s Information and Regulatory Affairs Czar Cass Sunstein had his way, animals would have legal standing to sue.
“Sunstein notes that personhood need not be conferred upon an animal in order to grant it various legal protections against abuse or cruelty, even including legal standing for suit.” Wik
Next stop–polar bears in the Ninth Circuit!
Spector (05:25:38) :
If this is the same speech covered a few days ago, in questions, Monckton covered that. He said that a 2/3s majority was required to ratify but relabelling as an agreement only a simple majority is required to enact most of the treaty.
DaveE.
As this topic dies, let me get in one of the final notes:
Few know the full facts re the DDT ban. One fundamental piece of research used to tout its ‘danger’ was the thinning of egg shells. This finding, though, was difficult to replicate, and sometimes the results were not consistent. For example, the shells were not thinner if the DDT exposure were below a certain lever or ABOVE a certain threshold. That INCREASING the DDT exposure would minimize shell-thinning was, to put it mildly, strange if DDT really affected the shells. Eventually, it was discovered that in one of the seminal studies showing a decrease of shell thickness, the researcher had given the birds DDT INSTEAD OF CALCIUM. Now, what do you think a calcium-deficient diet would do to the eggshells?
Poor science or fraudulent science? No one knows, but today we have a similar situation with the Mann-Biffra hockey stick graph. The banning of DDT in third-world countries has led to 10s of millions of people dying from malaria. Let’s hope the bad science of AGW doesn’t produce the same results.
I don’t suppose that the moderators would allow me to re-post with appropriate tabs and line breaks to make this more coherent…
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I am delighted to find that we in Texas have a dedication to the Constitution of the U.S. and not to any temporary resident of the white house…
CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF TEXAS 1876
Adopted February 15, 1876
ARTICLE 1
BILL OF RIGHTS
That the general, great and essential principles of liberty and free government
may be recognized and established, we declare:
Sec. 1. FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY OF STATE. Texas is a free and independent State, subject only to the Constitution of the United States, and the maintenance of our free institutions and the perpetuity of the Union depend upon the preservation of the right of local self-government, unimpaired to all the States.
Sec. 2. INHERENT POLITICAL POWER; REPUBLICAN FORM
OF GOVERNMENT. All political power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their benefit. The faith of the people of Texas stands pledged to the preservation of a republican form of government, and, subject to this limitation only, they have at all times the inalienable right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may think expedient.
Quoting: michel (23:57:23) :
“Monckton is a National Treasure in Britain, and a very amusing chap with a wonderful way with words, but his take on US sovereignty issues is not to be taken too seriously. Think of it as Andy Rooney or Gore Vidal or William F. Buckley, off on a long discursive idiosyncratic lecture only loosely tethered to reality. Its fun if you are in the right mood.”
Commenting:
michel,
You should be so casual with your own sovereignty, lady!
Monckton has documented every word he has said. You have libeled him with nary a thought in your head.
[snip]
WestHoustonGeo
Jabba the Cat (12:25:27) :
Einsteins belief in God was unshakable!
DaveE.
The DDT ban is being re-imposed by the UN, even though DDT has verifiably saved millions of lives:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124303288779048569.html
A short Wall St. Journal article. Maurice Strong, puppet master of the UN, has repeatedly stated that the world’s population must be culled by more than 90%. Reading between the WSJ’s lines, it appears that the UN has now re-banned DDT in order to reduce the African population.
It looks to be the same reason that the UN Blue Helmets stood aside and watched Africans and Bosnians slaughter each other.
I particularly liked his willingness to describe statements as lies, not differences of opinion or interpretation. It’s part of the problem that many people are reluctant to believe that what they are hearing are outright lies.
Ron de Haan said:
Reciting in Latin and the accent is a perfectly British habit and a lot less ludicrous than a than a former Vice US President with a Nobel Price for fraud and deception.
What’s more ludicrous is that he is getting away with it with NO AMERICAN challenging him.
It must be quite a team you’re embarrassed about.
Please grow up, this is not a personality competition.
Wow, Ron, it’s been a long time since someone told me to grow up. So, just for you, I’m going to try to be very mature.
I went to the same school as Monckton and I took Latin, too. I actually remember quite a bit of it. Enough to make sense of that passage. I have also sat at many a dinner-table where, from time to time, somebody, maybe even myself, would seek to impress the company with a quote in a number of different languages. There is a general understanding that those present will have a sufficient grasp to appreciate the cleverness of the speaker.
Doing a latinised version of the New Testament in a presentation about AGW to an audience that probably couldn’t translate “Sic transit Gloria ” is pretentious, in my opinion, and detracts from a very worthwhile attempt to persuade followers to doubt.
As for Al Gore, I have no doubt that you would find my view of him very grown-up, since it coincides with your own.
just an odd moment in american history. after years of being trend-setting and independent and even anti-british, we’re giving our sovereignty over climate issues to this guy from england?
Before we get into a hellfire hurry to say that Lord Munckton is overreacting to Copenhagen, it might be interesting to step back and view it along side other treaties presently queued up:
1. Copenhagen–give 1% of GDP in tax, to keep the sea levels down
2. UN Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW):
“States Parties shall take all appropriate measures to eliminate discrimination against women … and in particular to ensure … the elimination of any stereotyped concept of the roles of men and women at all levels and in all forms of education by encouraging coeducation and other types of education which will help to achieve this aim and, in particular, by the revision of textbooks and school programmes and the adaptation of teaching methods.”
3. UN Convention on the Rights of a Child UNCRC:
1. States Parties agree that the education of the child shall be directed to:
The development of respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, and for the principles enshrined in the Charter of the United Nations;
The development of respect for the natural environment. Article 29
(I think reading and writing and ‘rithematic are conspicuously absent from the goal of education in Art. 29, but that is just me.)
If these treaties are signed, it grants the Senate the chance to ratify them–and this in turn gives Congress a foothold into areas of state law that it does not have at this time. Anyone can double check what I say; but do the homework and think about the potential dangers in the courts of using international laws to interpret domestic laws–or even negate them.
I would like to leave you with this very short legal abstract from Canada, showing the judicial creep toward international law in progress:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1395915
…..phoenix mattress (21:24:53) :
just an odd moment in american history. after years of being trend-setting and independent and even anti-british, we’re giving our sovereignty over climate issues to this guy from england?…..
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If you’re referrring to Monckton, I would be delighted if someone in the U.S. would give him a run for his money. If there anyone capable of doing that? The only person I can think of is Senator Inhofe and I’m sure he’d appreciate some backup, whatever the source.
I’m from Australia and there is nothing I’d like more than to have Lord Monckton come here give our climate debate a good old shakeup. If we’re not careful we’ll end up with an ETS even before Copenhagen due to our craven and cowardly opposition leader who, thankfully, is starting the lose the support of even his own party but that may not be enough to stop the juggernaut.
Seems like some of the ‘yanks’ don’t like class 😉
“Hello Minnisota. I’m practicing to run for president. I understand all I need is a freshly minted Hawaiian birth certificate.”
-British Lord Christopher Monckton
Can you hear the world laughing now?
DaveE (20:10:06) :
“Einsteins belief in God was unshakable!”
Dave, a year before his death Einstein wrote a letter to philosopher Erik Gutkind:
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.”
@ur momisugly DaveE (20:10:06) :
“Einsteins belief in God was unshakable!”
It may have been, but he did not use it to prop up his work. Real and honest science can stand on it’s own two feet without the need for “divine” reasoning or justification.
@ur momisugly Chris Schoneveld (00:41:57) :
“Dave, a year before his death Einstein wrote a letter to philosopher Erik Gutkind:
“The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weakness, the Bible a collection of honorable, but still purely primitive, legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this.” ”
Confirms my suspicion. Thanks for that info Chris.
Oliver Ramsay (21:10:50) :
“I went to the same school as Monckton and I took Latin, too. I actually remember quite a bit of it……………Doing a latinised version of the New Testament in a presentation about AGW to an audience that probably couldn’t translate “Sic transit Gloria ” is pretentious, in my opinion, and detracts from a very worthwhile attempt to persuade followers to doubt.
As for Al Gore, I have no doubt that you would find my view of him very grown-up, since it coincides with your own.”
Thank you Ramsey for this disclosure. Like you I have memories – in my case – of Kennedy’s Shortbread Eating Primer and all the rest. All sarc aside I’d like you to think that maybe there was some underlying purpose in his exhibition of biblical scholarship and references to God. I would like to draw your attention to the powerful religious forces marching to the drum of AGW hyp. I know this to be the case in the US and certainly so in Britain with the green archbish parroting the usual green mantras. My take is that he’s attempting to show up the bad science and the poor theology.
Ramsey, name me one AGW hype cheerleader of consequence who has protested Al Gore’s blatantly poor science and all the other stuff. This is not a nice business.
…..@ur momisugly DaveE (20:10:06) :
“Einsteins belief in God was unshakable!”
It may have been, but he did not use it to prop up his work. Real and honest science can stand on it’s own two feet without the need for “divine” reasoning or justification. …..
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I don’t consider quoting from the Bible using religion to prop up his work. Whatever your religious beliefs – or lack thereof – the Bible was written by people and the particular verse he quoted was extremely apt for the discussion on hand. He wanted to emphasize the fact that his rejection of the AGW hypothesis did not in any way reflect a lack of concern for nature and the environment. Rather, and on the contrary, he wanted our energies to be concentrated on the many real problems facing the environment.
The other point which he stressed over and over, and which is also perhaps relevant to the religious allusion, is that public policy MUST be based on the truth because, if it is not, then real catastrophes can result, which he then went on to illustrate with DDT and AIDS. This was all before he got to the scientific basis for rejecting AGW and had no direct bearing on it.
The God Spot.
I didn’t know that Monckton was a god-botherer either. Could this have been influenced by the fact he was lecturing in Minnesota?
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DaveE.
“What you obviously didn’t notice is that the site belongs to Ed Darrell.”
I didn’t know that. There was no “Ed Darrell” emblazoned in the banner, just a picture of some old bloke in a wig. And there was I, rubbishing that web site as if it was written by somebody else. Oh dear.
Really! Why keep drag God into it!
It’s all in the powerpoint slides! If you disagree with what the good Lord is putting forward, or see errors, then for God’s sake put up your corrections and suggested edits!
(And the fact that you don’t like his latinisms is a non-sequitur … as is any other kind of ad-hominem, and so is a waste of good carbon dioxide!
…. Anthony must have the patience of a saint to put up with this kind of OTstuff. )
He nailed it. Concisely. Yet masterfully managed to retain our attention.
If someone believes they can refute what he says – then come forward and state your case.