Signs of Internal Climatic Discord in Copenhagen – hic!

cop15_logoOn one hand while they say “Failure is not an option in Copenhagen” it appears that some things aren’t going so well internally. Perhaps a bit too much wining and dining?

As WUWT commenter “par5” points out: “Becker has left office with immediate effect after not presenting sufficient documentation for expensive restaurant bills, according to reports in the Danish media. One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine, and Becker was given a formal warning in March over travel expenses.”

http://www.rechargenews.com/business_area/politics/article195681.ece

From the COP15 website:

Denmark’s chief climate negotiator resigns

Thomas Becker, right hand of incoming COP15 president Connie Hedegaard, has been relieved of duty with immediate notice.

Michael von Bülow 12/10/2009 00:45

With less than two months to go to the UN climate conference (COP15) in Copenhagen, Denmark’s chief climate negotiator Thomas Becker has resigned from his position as deputy permanent secretary in the Ministry for Climate and Energy.

According to Danish news agency Ritzau, Becker confirms his resignation but declines to comment or give any reason for his resignation.

“Of course it’s sad that a key person in the climate negotiations has chosen to resign his position. However, it is a purely administrative matter which I therefore do not have any comments to,” says Connie Hedegaard, Minister for Climate and Energy and incoming COP15 president, according to Danish public service broadcasting network DR.

DR on Friday quoted the ministry’s Permanent Secretary Thomas Egebo as saying that “Thomas Becker has been relieved from duty with immediate notice after disagreements of a non-professional nature, matters that the ministry and Becker look differently upon”.

Becker has been instrumental in Hedegaard’s international climate diplomacy, and according to Ritzau he conceived the idea of bringing COP15 to Denmark. From 2004-2006 he was chairman of the Subsidiary Body of Implementation under the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC).

As of Monday, Becker will be replaced by Steffen Smidt, deputy permanent secretary in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Smidt is an experienced diplomat and has participated in international climate negotiations for a number of years.

h/t to WUWT reader John Ratcliffe

124 thoughts on “Signs of Internal Climatic Discord in Copenhagen – hic!

  1. Ha! “Thomas Becker has been relieved from duty with immediate notice after disagreements of a non-professional nature, matters that the ministry and Becker look differently upon”.
    Sure, I believe, thousands wouldn’t. There are people and organisations of whom it can be said “only when they deny a thing do you know it’s true”.

  2. Maybe he saw the light for what it is, an oncoming train in the tunnel. Or maybe he was a little free with expense accounts. Either way, it doesn’t look good. Like Hamlet said, something’s rotten in Denmark.

  3. Life must be great on the AGW/MMCC/AAM/UN/IPCC gravytrain eh? Expenses and travel with great incomes,self important busybodies furiously sucking at the public teat.
    I wonder how much money is being spent each year on nonjob gravytrain beaurocrats alone? All the endless meetings and travel expenses, all the puffed up egos pretending they are actually doing something usefull while syphoning off ever more cash in a self perpetuating circle of ever more beaurocrats taking ever more cash to talk to themselves and preach nonsense to the rest of us.
    If tens of thousands of parasites depend on perpetuating the global warming nonsenses it seems likely that they wont be keen on anything that might derail that gravytrain will they?

  4. tokyoboy (22:20:36) :
    “….One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine,….
    The Danish drink so little?”
    I spill that much! hic!

  5. Senior bureaucrats are the same all over the world, as are the politicians. They are often in it for the money & power. An added attraction is that bureaucracies tend to promote incompetent brown-noses, in the hope they will actually do some good work. It is the squeaky wheel in these organisations that gets onto the promotional fast track, not the diligent worker trying to make a difference. They take us for fools with their explanation for his “resignation” so soon before the climax of his professional life. If he has been naughty, he should be sacked, not given the easy option of resigning. No doubt he got a financial golden parachute too.

  6. Here’s a story about red wine and Pamelas passed out under her computer station from too much of the red stuff.
    Satire, you have to live it.

  7. ” John Nicklin (22:19:45) :
    Maybe he saw the light for what it is, an oncoming train in the tunnel. ”
    … or maybe they want to follow the IPCC lead and replace him with a railway engineer.

  8. The March to Copenhagen has become the Parade on Mulberry Street. It has degenerated into a shakedown by the developing nations of the developed ones over so-called ‘carbon guilt’. No one is going to be happy about the results out of Copenhagen except the skeptics and what is accomplished there won’t change the climate appreciably even if CO2 were the great determinant of climate that the alarmists believe it is.
    The damages from this hoax are huge and now include 47 bottles of red wine. The vast waste of money in this pursuit of the chimera of CO2 goes on and won’t stop until the demonization of CO2 is thoroughly discredited. I’m not holding my breath, but I am holding tight to an emptying purse.
    =======================================

  9. One of the Cruelest Things They Have Ever Done to Us!
    I’m not going to tell you who they are, I’m going to let you figure that one out for your selves. What I am going to tell you is what they did.
    They took away your 7Th Amendment. Oh, you still have it, you just don’t know you do. Let me tell you what they did. They created the bar association, that’s to bar you from entering. Then they appointed the Judges who work with the bar association to keep you at bay.
    They also made you think you could not defend yourselves through advertising. You believed them and that’s how you lost your 7Th Amendment.
    Please re-learn how to use the 7th Amendment and use it.
    Here’s a link you may want to use to get an education.
    Red Beckman Seminar
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5959251658237547562#

  10. I’d give every politician an unlimited expense account if it would keep them from passing new laws.

  11. So, this is the penultimate “Decider” conference, going to make decisions that affect billions, and we are supposed to believe it’s over a few bottles of wine?
    Something is very wrong with this picture.
    Clash of ideologies?
    Non-negotiable vs amenable?

  12. “Green belts wrapped around our minds and endless red tape to keep the truth confined. […] If you could flip a switch and open your third eye …”
    Google the next line of the Song “Uprising” by Muse.
    I nominate this as our WUWT theme song.

  13. No big suprise. After all this is just a microcosm of what the climate scare is all about. It’s just a chance for a bunch of meglomaniac busybody boffins to get in a dither about how smart and important they are. Not only have they scored a free lunch but it sounds like a well lubricated one.

  14. “One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine, and Becker was given a formal warning in March over travel expenses.”
    He clearly needed to be got rid of, as with such a frugal night of revelry he will be making the rest of them look bad.

  15. A little irony perhaps?
    Denmark’s top climate change negotiator forced to resign after failing to negotiate good deal on wine purchase!

  16. Cassandra King – you’ve just decribed the expenses grubbing shenanigans of the entire EU!
    Closer to home our own Prime Minister has just been ordered to pay back over £12,000 of “overclaimed” expenses. However, he won’t resign because he has no shame. Our ex-home secretary defrauded £114,000 out of the taxpayer yet she still has her ill-gotten gains and her job as a backbencher because she “apologised” to the House of Commons. Anyone in the real world would have been sacked and prosecuted. A private citizen is currently seeking a private prosecution to see the lady faces justice.
    The politicians and institutions I’ve mentioned are all in the warmist camp. Since dishonesty and fraud (provable) is endemic in the European political system I’m not surprised they ride the warmist gravytrain. They’ve finally found a way of taxing the air we breathe…
    :o/

  17. OT. Does anyone know how I can get the Met Office’s Winter Forecast for the UK? Their site isn’t working right, never mind their predictions. I would have thought that it would have been issued by now as last year’s laughingly inaccurate one was issued in September. Anyone know?

  18. “Friday’s Danish headlines suggested he left in protest and in rage over internal disagreements, and that Becker is the victim of a power struggle between the prime minister’s office and the climate ministry.”
    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/11/792009/-On-the-Road-to-Copenhagen:-Part-3:-Architect-of-COP15-leaves-chief-negotiator-post-
    http://politiken.dk/klima/klimapolitik/article806951.ece
    http://www.information.dk/206847
    http://jp.dk/indland/article1846403.ece

  19. Discord is nothing new. But all too often sceptic websites and people like Benny Peiser gloat about it, and then in the end the climate regulation has crept ever further into our lives.
    I say stop the disillusioned wishful thinking and face the future. Here it is:

    and

    Learn it, and get used to singing it -every morning when you get up!

  20. UK Sceptic you’ve got there so fast! Well done you, et al.
    Since turning 40 I signed up to the “grump old man” club. Since turning 50, I enlisted in the “grumy old synical B£$^%!D” club. Tell, me, is it possible that there is going to be an Olympics style competition every 4 years or so to see who can hold the next Climate Change Conference, probably dependant upon a country’s carbon credits allocation or some such, & how much wine they can get the community (err,….sorry taxpayer) to fork out for? I think we’re seeing the whole shooting match for what it really is, a political jolly for eco-nazis & politicians alike at taxpayers’ expense, jetting around the world for weeks at a time to “exoctic” locations, (for either direction of viewpoint, we all fall into the trap of thinking somewhere else is exotic compared to where we live until the novelty wears off!), & coming up with ridiculous fudge agreements to justify their shinanigans!

  21. Whether it takes 1 year or 10 years, it’ll be here.
    Stopping it for a day isn’t enough. We have to push back into the pit it frown where it crawled out of.

  22. It would depend on which red wine, I guess, but a bottle each doesn’t sound totally OTT.
    Of course, if they had purchased Purakanui Vineyard Estates pinot noir and one of the three Purakanui Brewing and Distilling Company gin varieties (they actually exist) it would have been a modest bill and no cause for concern. As a matter of fact, these are never sold, only ever given away, but you have to be a WUWT positive contributor or a close friend to acquire these goodies – and you have to be here to get them.
    Seriously, though, this is a pretext. There is either gross financial misappropriation, gross moral turpitude (if it still exists) or a Damascan revelation for a few bottles of plonk to be the excuse to require departure. Who knows, but option one is possible and option three to be hoped for. It would mean yet another warmista has seen the light. I’m sure there’s more to come!

  23. Let me write that up again:
    Whether it takes 1 year or 10 years, it’ll get here.
    Stopping it for a day isn’t enough. We have to push the Beast back into the pit from where it crawled out of:
    So call your senators, and insist you don’t want to be singing socialist hymns!

  24. Thirty seven bottles of wine? Becker ought to move to the UK where his frugality would be most welcome (by the taxpayers at least).
    In my experience, it is not the cost of wine per se so much as the veritable army of French Waiters require to un-cork the stuff and carefully pour it into my newly cleaned Moat without disturbing the Carp.

  25. Maybe they have woken up that having a global climate change conference in Denmark in a cold winter is not the best idea. It might have looked good a few years ago when the world was warming, but now it looks like a stupid idea.

  26. 37 bottles of wine and 41 gin and tonics. Sounds like a normal summer BBQ at my house. However, I pay the booze from my own pocket.

  27. 37 bottles of wine on the wall, 37 bottles of wiine
    You take one down, pass it around, 36 bottles of wine on the wall…
    I used to think they were stupid, now I am convinced they know very well what a fraud they have embarked on.

  28. As someone who voted No in the Lisbon Treaty referendum here in Ireland, it was exactly this kind of behaviour I was voting against. The EU parliament voted to have an audit on their expenses kept hidden from the public, not so long ago.
    There will have to be an audit of all these climate change shenanigans. Not just the money being spent on delivering ever scarier projections, but all this other money being spent by politicians and civil servants on travel and other expenses to discuss it, the bureaucracy that’s going to be required to enforce all the new regulations, and all the unintended consequences that will arise as a result of this, like compensating third world countries for “climate change”, like all the class action suits that are going to happen, because with something like this, everybody can show themselves to be “victims” of climate change.
    From now on,. any spare time that I have will be studying Chinese, and researching the immigration policies of countries in the Far East, because we here in the West, have completely lost the plot.

  29. Lokk on the bright side. If the climate does warm up, then the grapes will grow even better and wine will drop in price.

  30. “… One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine,…”
    If the 38 people with Becker were teetotalers, then I’d say Becker might have a slight drinking problem.

  31. As others have noted with elected and unelected “officials” with their taxpayer funded nosebags firmly attached, it won’t make any difference. Guy Fawkes had the right idea, so too did the French in the late 18th century. There really is only one way (For the short to medium term that is) to solve this. Warm weather, cold weather, won’t matter.

  32. “…and has participated in international climate negotiations for a number of years…”
    How does one negotiate with the climate?

  33. Think of all the carbon dioxide expelled by the yeasts fermenting those 37 bottles of wine. Is Becker so morally bankrupt that is flaunts his complete disregard of the environment by subsidizing the production of a scientifically proven green house gas?

  34. How about a bit of ‘performance-related pay’ for these IPCCers, eh?
    I say, to show how much they know about arctic ice, that they make bets 11 months in advance as to the next ice minimum in September 2010, and their 2010/11 pay is entirely dependent on how accurately they predict it.
    If we get some spread betting exchange to draw up the terms and conditions, say they get nothing if they are more than 20% out, 50% if they are more than 10% out and 100% if they are within 5%, that would be about fair, eh?
    Of course, they are allowed to modify their prediction in the light of a significant ‘event’. These include: volcanoes; big shift in el Nino; big shift in jet stream; big shift in the solar wind; anything else??
    I wonder how much we global taxpayers would save in THAT scenario, eh??

  35. Actually we have a very smart Climate Minister, who has known the weakness of AGW theory all along.
    On TV she said: Well even if the theory (CO2) should turn out wrong, we have done a good job on exploring alternative sources of energy!
    Not at all spoken like a true Believer……

  36. Tom writes ” It’s just a chance for a bunch of meglomaniac busybody boffins”
    It amazes me how words change meanings over the years. When Robert Watson-Watt first wrote “The Natural History of the Boffin Bird”, during WWII, the word “boffin” was used as a compliment. Now apparently it is derogatory.

  37. Barry Foster (00:55:10) :
    OT. Does anyone know how I can get the Met Office’s Winter Forecast for the UK? Their site isn’t working right, never mind their predictions. I would have thought that it would have been issued by now as last year’s laughingly inaccurate one was issued in September. Anyone know?
    Last time I looked (tend not to these days as it tends to be the same old clap-trap that they dish out), it was the same as last year – it was issued this September, “as mild or milder than previous years). Not terribly informative or imaginative either. I think they just recycle this every year so that statistically they can be right! Time will tell. Mind you if Deep Thought is up & running their predictions will be even more accurate, until it goes wrong of course.

  38. “The council of Copenhagen” brings to my mind the “Council of Constance” in the beginning of the 1400s, when the church gathered to establish its primacy and infallibility. In a decree on the church infallibility it is stated “…Catholic church…it has power immediately from Christ; and that everyone of whatever state or dignity, even papal, is bound to obey it in those matters which pertain to the faith”.
    Change the church for the AGW movement, Christ for IPCC and the pope for Al Gore (?) and you will have the Copenhangen declaration.

  39. Thought I would just add, & at risk of boring repetition, this new piece of kit does something like 2 billion calcs a second or some such. However, even if it did 2 trillion calcs a second, it would just mean that they arrive at the wrong answer faster! I would rather rely on Piers Corbyn & his £55 Casio Scientific calculator.

  40. It was a scientific experiment. They were testing various vintages back a hundred years as a temp proxy based on how they taste.

  41. I can’t really blame Becker at all for this. If I was to talk to anyone in charge of the Copenhagen Climate Negotiations, my only advice would be to Start Drinking Heavily.
    And I recommend that to anyone involved. It won’t solve anything, of course, but at least they’ll feel better about it.

  42. The list of the 38 guests would be interesting, as would followups with each to see if they attended.
    I remember one night where the majority of experts in one niche of distributed file systems were taken by another to a Japanese restaurant better known for its sake selection. Fortunately, he had the forethought to rent us a limo and appoint his wife as chaperone and restaurant liason. A lot of empty sake bottles that night….

  43. “…One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine…”
    One wonders what they were celebrating.
    This wanton abuse of public funds (especially in today’s economy) is nauseating but, alas in the AGW scientific world, not surprising…

  44. They should have kept this guy as a negotiator…. get everyone drunk enough, and they’ll sign anything! Maybe that was his strategy…

  45. From the beginning, this issue of global warming, has left a long trail of CO2 from champange bottles…, a constant party held in several tropical islands, far away from the silly and common believers.

  46. Barry Foster – According to the BBC, the Met Office’s long range forecast for winter 2009/10 was for mild, wet weather. Pretty similar to last year’s predicition and we all know how badly they got that (and the barbecue summer) wrong. On the strength of this year’s prediction I’ve made sure that I have an adequate supply of wood and coal for my stove.
    Alan the Brit – I’m also a fully paid up member of the Grumpy Old Cynical Barsteward(ess) club which might explain why many of the views we share are so similar. We are the last generation to enjoy a state education (grammar school girl here) that wasn’t destroyed or dumbed down by “progressive”, social engineering morons 😀

  47. If the climate is really threatened by CO2 and other (harmless) greenhouse gas emissions, shouldn’t they have a teleconference instead?
    I suspect the reason they chose Copenhagen in the winter instead of Bali or Rio is the vaunted Danish green power experiment.
    True, Denmark does produce a lot of electricity from wind. However, Denmark is connected to the western European grid and can feed excess into the grid when the windmills produce excess electricity. Denmark also pulls power from the grid when the windmills don’t produce enough to power the country’s needs.
    It is all possible because there are other power plants in the grid that can produce power on demand and can also be taken offline on demand. Those other power plants include nuclear, hydro-electric and coal. Denmark could not get by on green power alone if it was not connected to the grid.

  48. I’m up. I’m up.
    Let me get this straight. Those of you on the other side of the pond consider us to be Victorian and repressed. Yet some European entity sends a man packing for buying several rounds of wine at a conference for his fellow conference attendees. Drinking at a conference. Now that is just entirely out of line. Why over here in the American wilderness and frontier lands we NEVER drink at conferences. I know I haven’t. I did not have wine with that dinner. My decorum is entirely above board and my comportment is unimpeachable. Wait. Scratch that word. Above reproach. It all depends on what wine IT was. Doncha know.

  49. There is some interesting reading in The Independent today:
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-heres-another-phoney-war-the-one-on-climate-change-1801798.html
    It’s a review on the new book “Freakonomics”
    “…This might help to explain why the recorded temperature of the planet has not increased at all over the past 11 years. As the BBC’s climate correspondent, Paul Hudson, reported with thinly disguised amazement three days ago, “Our climate models did not forecast this.” Hudson then spoke to Professor Don Easterbrook of Western Washington University, who explained that global temperatures were correlated much more with cyclical oceanic oscillations of warming and cooling than anything man does. Easterbrook argued that the global cooling from 1945 to 1977 was linked to one of these cold Pacific cycles, and that “the Pacific decadal oscillation cool mode has replaced the warm mode [of 1978 to 1998], virtually assuring us of about 30 years of global cooling”.
    What with the BBC posting a page yesterday and The Independent printing reviews of an anti-global warming propaganda book today, it looks like we might be starting a rational debate in Britain about the Earth’s climate, and with real climate scientists for a change.

  50. According to the Danish article, a restaurant bill in BANGKOK could not be produced. Methinks there is more to the story than bar tabs and man-made global warming!

  51. John Nicklin (22:19:45) :
    “Maybe he saw the light for what it is, an oncoming train in the tunnel. Or maybe he was a little free with expense accounts. Either way, it doesn’t look good. Like Hamlet said, something’s rotten in Denmark.”
    May be he saw the light? Like, yesterday, the BBC. Today, The San Francisco Chronicle???
    One can only hope…
    October 13, 2009
    What Happened to Global Warming?
    By Debra Saunders
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/13/what_happened_to_global_warming_98687.html

  52. I wonder if they invited Al Gore. I’m trying to imagine the Gore Affect in Copenhagen in December. Mix LIBERALly with alcohol add a bunch of warmies and stir…

  53. You guys are all missing the point. He wasn’t fired for ordering 37 bottles of wine, or 41 Gin and tonics, he was fired for not offsetting the carbon emissions used to bring those drinks to the party.

  54. Hic.. Let us sing… 37 bottles of wine on the wall, 37bottles of wine.
    Take one down and pass it around, 36 bottles of wine on the wall.
    shirty shix bottles of wine on the wall, shirty shix bottles of wine.
    Take one down and parsh it ’round, 35 bottles of wine on the wall.
    Shir.. shirty five… bottles…. huh… waddaya mean I’ve losht my job???

  55. Tom in Florida (04:38:20) :
    37 bottles of wine? Check out the king of corruption, Congressman Charlie Rangel. And why is he still in office?
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203946904574300013592601036.html

    I just knew we could rely on somebody in the US to out do our home grown (UK) parasites. At least in the US they sometimes get looked at.
    Could be interesting to look (via long fights using the FOI laws of course) at what Copenhagen actually costs .. (prep, attendance, and post) x 10,000 (20,?40? 60?. I am sure I am not alone in thinking that even the most moderate total would (spent otherwise) have built an entire “western city” somewhere that needs one. (clean water, sewerage, power grid … the usual stuff).

    …..look on the people you represent, and break not your trust, and expose not the honest party of your kingdom, who have bled for you, and suffer not misery to fall upon them for want of courage and resolution in you, else the honest people may take such courses as nature dictates to them.

    Oliver Cromwell
    Keep it up parasites, what could go wrong?

  56. Please keep in mind that a handful of Yamal tree ring chronologies is “robust” but 39 bottles of red wine among 37 diners is statistically insignificant.

  57. “dfbaskwill (06:36:19) :
    According to the Danish article, a restaurant bill in BANGKOK could not be produced. Methinks there is more to the story than bar tabs and man-made global warming!”
    I hope somebody got pictures…

  58. Obviously there is more nobility to this — an important piece of the puzzle with a clear AGW angle to the story — beyond some buffoonish bureaucrat living large on the government teat.
    When the true story is told, we will learn that they were sampling the new English wines from lands previously hostile to the grape. Perhaps they were drinking the last Chianti from smoking and deserted Italian vineyards that were once home to the Sangiovese varietal, or the last good Burgundy before the earth’s fever crushes the fragile pinot noir. I’m sure there’s a nobel, sorry noble, reason for such boorish behavior hidden in this story. They’re probably heroes.

  59. I am not comfortable about the Copenhagen outcome.
    Too many Green Drunk Apparatchiks who believe that failure is not an option.
    Too much ambition “to take the lead”.
    Too much funding to fail.
    Too much infiltration.
    I have seen how the Dutch and the French were conned into the Lisbon Treaty, despite a firm “No” against a more powerful EU.
    Copenhagen is all about a Marxist Coup of the Free World and most of the people don’t understand what’s going on.
    Much, if not everything, depends on the US Senate now.
    If Crazy Kerry and a bunch of GOP Traitors like Lindsey Graham collect their 60 votes before December the game is over.
    http://www.nytimes.com/glogin?URI=http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/opinion/11kerrygraham.html&OQ=_rQ3D2&OP=3a72309aQ2FQ3FQ5DSQ7DQ3FQ22Q51_Q2AeQ51Q51HNQ3FNQ25Q25qQ3FQ24Q25Q3FQ24Q24Q3FQ51mn9nQ519Q3FQ24Q24tSeedxeQ5C,Q5CJQ5B,HJs
    Therefore, call those Senators and make them clear they will not survive the next elections.
    Graham: ‘Yes We Can Pass Climate Legislation’ — ‘Work together to address an urgent crisis facing the world’
    Contact numbers for GOP Sen. Graham’s DC Office – Ph. 202-224-5972 – Graham’s SC office 864-250-1417 — SC GOP HQ Ph. 803-988-8440

  60. UK Sceptic (06:12:26) :
    Barry Foster – According to the BBC, the Met Office’s long range forecast for winter 2009/10 was for mild, wet weather.

    For this Winter I disagree. “Mild, wet weather” depends (in the UK) on clouds developed elsewhere (darrn saarf). They have started to break up frequently this month so I am betting this behaviour will continue and will move to clearer skies in the coming months and hence cold this winter. No cloud = cold. There now, all that without a computer.

  61. Didn’t make a typo Andrew? ☺ ☺
    Perhaps a bit too much wining and dining?
    vs.
    Perhaps a bit too much whining and dining?

  62. Call Your U.S. Senator to oppose the Cap & Trade bill and the Baucas Health Care Cost Increase Bill.
    U.S. Capitol Switchboard: (202) 224-3121
    It only takes a minute.

  63. Mr. Becker just run a scientific experiment. Everybody knows vineyards are being affected by climate change He wanted to know by himself the impact on wine.
    🙂

  64. “Let me make this perfectly clear.”
    As it gets even colder, man will have to go to the clear stuff. Russia shows us vodka is the beverage of choice for anti-freeze.

  65. ““…One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine…”
    One wonders what they were celebrating.
    This wanton abuse of public funds (especially in today’s economy) is nauseating but, alas in the AGW scientific world, not surprising…”
    This wasn’t a celebration, it was part of the negotiation strategy

  66. I say UK Sceptic, any idea where this jolly bash is being held exactly in Denmark? Perhaps someone could apply some heating & ventilation expertise to the venue so that all these twits can freeze their dooh-daahs off whilst trying to come up with yet more economic suicide for what’s left of western democracy!

  67. Paul Vaughan (23:55:36) :
    “Green belts wrapped around our minds and endless red tape to keep the truth confined. […] If you could flip a switch and open your third eye …”
    Good song. Good band. Might also listen to Bon Jovi’s “We Weren’t Born to Follow” so get up off your knees…

  68. Perfectly understandable to me. They needed all that wine to drown their sorrows
    for having their AGW scam busted.
    @ UK Sceptic
    Go the Old Grammarians, damn fine bunch of sceptical bastards we turned out to be. I bet the AGW’ers wished they hadn’t given us such a good education. 🙂

  69. I’m guessing the problem was not the 39 bottles of wine and the 43 gin-and-tonics. I’m guessing it was the reported 39 guests that was the problem. I’m guessing the drinks were charged to “room service” (along with a gardener’s funnel) and 39 guests in one small hotel room strained credibility (even among AGW “true believers”).

  70. I’d be more concerned about the carbon footprint of 37 bottles of wine, not who ended up paying for them.

  71. Ric Werme (05:15:31) : et al.,
    The list of the 38 guests would be interesting, as would followups with each to see if they attended.
    ————————————–
    I think the Sun or the News of the World should be working on the guest list for the Bangkok revelry.

  72. Y’all are a bunch of whiners!!
    When are you going to learn that sheep are not supposed to protest about small potato type issues.
    Becker was a nothing.
    He only mistake was actualizing the MEP (EU Parliamentarian) lifestyle (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7904886.stm) before he had become an MEP.
    BTW, don’t even think about whining about how you Yanks don’t do the same thing – your speaker of the house routinely commandeers planes (anything from a Lear jet to a 757) for weekend trips home (see http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2009/mar/judicial-watch-uncovers-documents-detailing-pelosis-repeated-requests-military-travel if you don’t believe me).
    This is just part of the way the world works. You need to sit down, hush up, and learn to live with it.

  73. CknLitl,
    What, you don’t believe our speaker of the House? She would never lie to us… would she? click
    Since she holds up her hand like she’s under oath, she has to be telling the truth.

  74. As we focus on the alcoholic escapades of the Green Zealots, it should be clear to all of your posters here that the Copenhagen Climate Meeting is not the only attempt to bring down the free world.
    Watch the activities of Obama’s Czars spreading havoc virtually in every corner of the economy:
    http://hypsithermal.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/obama-to-save-food-potato-supply/
    In the mean time EPA is preparing to regulate CO2 via the Clean Air and Clean Water Act, thus activating intensive lobbying by industry in favor of C&T which is a relative cheaper solution compared to the EPA “solutions”.
    UN “Climate Expert” Trenberth, remember this name, has started an offensive stating that Climate Skeptics are “Ignorant”:
    Read all about “Big Mouth, Bad Science” here:
    http://www.climatedepot.com/a/3308/Ignorant-Skeptics-UN-Scientist-Prof-Trenberth-says-only-poorly-informed-scientists-disagree-with-UN–Appeals-to-Authority-The-IPCC-has-spoken

  75. Ron de Haan (07:26:36): I called the GOP HQ number and Senator Graham’s SC office number and voiced by protest to the CAP N Tax Bill.
    Smokey (07:48:59): It won’t do any good to call my Senators–I live in California.

  76. OT John F. Pittman (07:27:57) : Hey is that a sunspot in the lower left quadrant of the magneto veiw from NASA?
    “The new region on the eastern limb has rotated into view and is a spotless plage. It does belong to Cycle 24 because of the latitude and magnetic signature” (www.solarcycle24.com)

  77. tokyoboy (22:20:36) :
    ….One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine,….
    The Danish drink so little?
    Presumably two people (or more!) were teetotal!

  78. Tokyoboy : ….One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine,….
    The Danish drink so little?

    That was only the wine.

  79. Reed Coray (10:16:03) :
    Agreed: the 2 Senators from California are NOT listening to thier constituents.
    You could send in 3.9 x 10E6 phone calls, and it still would not make any difference. Except to the phone company, which would have a field day with the charges.

  80. dfbaskwill (06:36:19) :
    According to the Danish article, a restaurant bill in BANGKOK could not be produced. Methinks there is more to the story than bar tabs and man-made global warming!
    Nonsense! That was obviously a completely justified dinner meeting to discuss several new peer reviewed studies which revealed the potential catastrophic effects of Climate Change on the worldwide sex worked industry.
    I am in the process of preparing a grant proposal for new study to quantify the devastating economic consequences of a public rejection of climate change alarmism. The list of industries which would be negatively affected by such an occurrence is quite large.
    Corporations which build and or lease private jets.
    Purveyors of caviar, truffles, lobsters, Wagyu steaks, virtually any foodstuff that retails for over a $100/lb.
    Restaurants with more than 3 Michelin stars.
    Resorts which host conferences in exotic locales like Bali.
    Companies which build and or lease limousines.
    Printers who produce gilt edged carbon offset certificates.
    The layoffs and bankruptcies could plunge the recovering world economy back into recession or even depression.

  81. “One bill for 39 people allegedly included 37 bottles of red wine…”
    And on that note, I propose a drinking song for the merry conference-goers in December:
    “Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
    Friendly old girl of a town
    ‘Neath her tavern light
    On this freezing night
    Fellow warmists, our sorrows let’s drown!”

  82. Ron de Haan,
    “Copenhagen is all about a Marxist Coup of the Free World and most of the people don’t understand what’s going on.”
    Just as it is obvious he didn’t resign over 37 bottles of wine you ought to get real and stop spouting such rubbish.
    I am a climate change skeptic, but i find remarks like that way OTT.

  83. RE:
    P Gosselin (01:31:32) :
    Yes, Dear Leader Obama, Prince of Peace, will take us there.
    Just heard that Obama has quietly(?) sent or is sending more troops to Afghanistan. This coming just a few days after his Peace Award.
    I was reminded of a former great leader, James T Kirk:
    “We come in peace, shoot to kill”.

  84. 37 bottles of wine on the wall
    37 bottles of wine
    If one of those bottles should happen to fall…
    36 bottles of wine on the wall.
    (With apologies to whoever made up the 99 bottles of beer song.)
    Well anyway I guess after 37 bottles of wine, AGW theory can seem reasonable. 🙂

  85. David S (15:27:32) :
    Well anyway I guess after 37 bottles of wine, AGW theory can seem reasonable. 🙂

    “This is a good vintage, that co2 does wonders for foliage growth.”
    “Certainly does, another?”
    “Actually, I’m feeling a bit hot, I need a cooler, pass the Gin and Tonic will you?”
    “certainly… oops, I dropped it”
    “No worries, plenty more where that came from. Good old taxpayers will cover it.”

  86. “If Crazy Kerry and a bunch of GOP Traitors like Lindsey Graham collect their 60 votes before December the game is over.”
    Not really, the last ditch will be the Senate vote to pass the treaty, which will require 67 votes that they won’t get.

  87. Roger Knights (17:13:10) :
    “If Crazy Kerry and a bunch of GOP Traitors like Lindsey Graham collect their 60 votes before December the game is over.”
    Not really, the last ditch will be the Senate vote to pass the treaty, which will require 67 votes that they won’t get.
    Roger,
    I really hope your are right.
    It would leave Obama empty handed at the Copenhagen Meeting where no binding commitment will be possible.
    It will take years of legal battles before EPA regulation via the Clean Air and Clean Water Act could be a reality.
    Until that time the AGW/Climate Change Hoax will be dead.
    http://tomnelson.blogspot.com/2009/10/robert-reich-empty-hands-on-climate-and.html

  88. Mousavi declared himself the winner of the election before the polls were even closed, standard operating procedure for those seeking to instigate a color revolution. ,

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