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If you have something worth posting on the front page, flag a moderator. In the meantime I have a couple of stories that will post using the WordPress scheduler. – Anthony
…AT WILL ROGERS AIRPORT IN OKLAHOMA CITY WAS 51 DEGREES…BREAKS… RECORD OF 52 DEGREES…
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/validProds.php?prod=RER&node=KOUN
Where is global warming?
If not for the warming in the Southern States from the El Niño what would it be like in the USA today? El Niño warming will not happen every year so we will find out.
Gene Nemetz (10:56:45) :
“Cap N Trade not called Cap N Trade anymore :
John Kerry now calls it :
“The Pollution Reduction and Investment Incentive Mechanism”.”
Here’s another good one I renamed.
US Surveillance and Rights Reduction Act aka Patriot Act
We will change the name of any act passed by congress to more accurately reflect the contents of any act up for a vote or passed by congress!
You don’t have to refer to a misnamed act by congresses given name. You can rename any act to it’s truthful descriptive name.
We should have a poll on what the proper name of any act should be, up for a vote or passed by congress.
Even in Southern California near the Mexican border, in San Diego, there was a temp record broken :
http://www.nws.noaa.gov/view/validProds.php?prod=RER&node=KSGX
Harold Ambler (06:13:20) :
Brilliant.
10Be remedial for interested bystanders?
If one measure for Galactic Cosmic Rays is 10Be in ice cores, I am interested in whether there are other sources for this elemental anomaly.
I found 1. a weakening of the earth’s magnetic field (don’t know if that has to coincide with less solar activity) and 2. possible meteoritic or large aerial bursts sources
Also, Dr. Svalgaard described the process of getting from N or O to 10Be on another thread. He said that cosmic ray spallation knocked particles out of the atom’s nucleus. I do not quite understand why this does not release a lot of energy. Hopefully I am not having one of my blond moments with that question.
Michael (11:37:00) :
We will change the name of any act passed by congress to more accurately reflect the contents of any act up for a vote or passed by congress!
Maybe the corporates could go for sponsorship deals. So Cap n Trade becomes
Pollution Reduction Incentive – United States, or PRIUS.
Squirrles are NUTS!
I have to leave Phoenix tomorrow.
It’s been a GLORIOUS week here. 83 to 88 highs, and that only for about 3 to 4 hours (1PM to 3PM or 4PM).
Lows at night, 57 to 62. Actually wear a light jacket on the way to the ‘park’ (Mother’s mobile home park) Hot Tub.
Flying back to MINNESOCOLD ,where it will be 36 to 38 F when I arrive. Burrrrr…. I’ll force myself out on my road bike, just to make sure I don’t “chicken out”.
Clearly 4 to 6 weeks EARLY on winter this year. Snow in Chicago on Monday.
Rockies are covered with 3 to 4′ of snow above 4000′ now. Saw that on the way down to PHX..
Strangely I’ve noted that:
A. My oak trees are overgrown with acorns this year. (Maybe cutting off their funding will help?)
B. The squirrels have been inordinately active burying the acorns.
I interviewed a bunch of the squirrels recently and the mere mention of Al Gore brought a bombardment of acorns. (Fortunately they can’t throw worth a darn, so it didn’t hurt.) But the squirrels said, “Look, we are SEMI hibernators. Why do you think we’ve already lined the nests with all the extra leafs we can, and why do you think your yard looks like an old Soviet minefield? GET A GRIP, you are going to have “snow covered pumpkins” once again?” (reference to 1991, Halloween snow storm. Remarkable memory for animals that have life spans like NFL players!)
So, I know..not very analytical. Hey, I’m just trying to learn to think/speak like an “alarmist”. Only this alarm is for “Gorebull Freezing”.
Let’s talk, about Dec.20th?
Mark Hugoson
Screw saving the planet. How about we save our own country first.
It is presently 56 on my back deck here in Anchorage, AK and all the snow up in the mountains in front of my house has melted. I’m loving it by the way. In a week or so I suspect that the Jet Stream will shift and temps will get back to normal here and in the rest of the US. I base this suspicion not on forecasts but a schedule that says I will be starting a couple of weeks of work involving tower climbing near Fairbanks week after next.
Last October I posited here that if global warming continued as it has been, then we’d see the World Series played in snow suits. Prescient or what! Yours in coldness …
Hi all. I have just accepted Joe Romm’s bet about temperatures ten years out. I could use a bit of moral support (and free publicity–I want to push him into a weblog debate). http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-9111-SF-Environmental-Policy-Examiner~y2009m10d10-Global-warming-Joe-Romm-and-famous-wagers
Obama has just won another prize with absolutely no qualifications for it. But he did say some pretty good stuff about saving whales and polar bears before he was announced the winner.
I’m talking about the title of Miss World of course.
Carsten Arnholm,
I did a quick search and this came up:
I’ve never seen that blog before, but I did hear the same thing on the news and on the radio yesterday.
Tom Fuller (13:13:14) :
Hi all. I have just accepted Joe Romm’s bet about temperatures ten years out. I could use a bit of moral support (and free publicity–I want to push him into a weblog debate). http://www.examiner.com/examiner/x-9111-SF-Environmental-Policy-Examiner~y2009m10d10-Global-warming-Joe-Romm-and-famous-wagers
Tom, Romm offered mr Cru as the arbitrating data and no volcano caveats, but backed out when I accepted. Good luck agreeing terms with this flip flop.
AGHH:
Very prophetic – they’ve just jumped back on with a resounding thud:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8299426.stm
Great written debate about the basics of global warming between Dr. Bill Gray of CSU and Dr. Kevin Trenberth of CU.
Part One here.
Part Two here.
Note!
The global warming Talibans at the BBC have not display the article “What happened to global warming?” at their news section or at the top in their science & environment section, which they usually do for new articles.
Instead they have hid it down, in the middle of the page.
They apparently want to publish this article without letting it get to much attention from visitors.
It will be interesting to see, for how long it will be visible on their website and it will be interesting to see if this story is picked up by other MSM outlets.
Have anybody seen this story on BBC TV news?
Joel Shore (10:35:32) : “…because the oceans have such a large thermal inertia, the earth is still out of radiative balance and there is warming “in the pipeline” that would occur even if CO2 levels were held constant.”
Wrong. The oceans stopped warming around 2003, and are now cooling. There is NO warming “in the pipeline”.
http://sciences.blogs.liberation.fr/home/files/Cazenave_et_al_GPC_2008.pdf
A Josh Willis (NASA) paper (2007 I think) said the same thing – the one where he said the oceans were cooling, then found instrument errors and corrected it to “not warming”.
“Not warming” means no warming in the pipeline.
Personally I think that it is the barycentric modulation of the chem trails that is causing the global everything. (When the cats away)
They just showed the climate porn act on CO2 advert again. Gonna get photoshop loaded and will have a T shirt based on the drowning dog printed on Monday. Glad that I am big enough to defend myself.
I think there’s too much ice on the south pole and this is going to make the earth’s orbit start to go irregular and then wobble out of control and we’ll all be slug into outer space.
As regards President Obama, it’s just an example of reverse discrimination.
We have to assuage our past sins don’t we ?
Never mind suitability for the job/prize.
Mind you I was supportive of his appointment because if he does well it will help us all and if he fails then perhaps guilt based decisions will become less popular.
I wish him well.
Miles (16:06:13) :
“I think there’s too much ice on the south pole …”
Actually all that weight at the south pole keeps our orbit nice and stable. Just imagine if Antarctica was at the top – it would all flip over. And then where would we be? I’d have to hold my beer upside down for a start…
I just looked at the Ap geomagnetic index, the Oulu neutron counter, and the sunspot count.
http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/ftpdir/weekly/RecentIndices.txt
Ap geomagnetic index
dec jan feb mar apr may jun jul aug sep
4 4 5 5 4 4 4 4 5 3
http://cosmicrays.oulu.fi/
Oulu Neutorn monitor has hit a new peak in the last week
Spaceweather.com
Sunspots – spotless days
2009 total: 220 days (78%) Since 2004: 731 days
Typical Solar Min: 485 days
Since global cooling will first appear in the centers of the large NH landmasses with their low thermal storage, I am predicting a cold winter in Minnesota. 1/2 inch of snow on the ground this morning.
No; clearly, this should only involve individual flagellation with a cat o’ nine tails ONLY if so inclined … otherwise, learn how to accept forgiveness and change your future (for SURELY you cannot change the past!).
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Joel Shore (10:35:32) :
There’s some confusion of the term logarithmic as applied to c02. the first 50ppm of c02 absorbs the radiation avaiable to it. adding further quantities doesn’t increase temperature, as the saturation window closes. It works on th esame principle as a piece of tissue put into a bath of water. When it has soaked all it can its saturation window closes and it can’t absorb any more water. Doubling it to 2 tissues and the saturation window closes at the same point, so it doesn’t absorb any more water.
A better and more appropriate analogy would be sunblock. a factor 5 would screen against some ultraviolet rays. doubling the quantity wouldn’t increase it to factor 10. It would only increase the distance – very fractionally, at which the same rays were absorbed.
In the climate, a doubling of c02 would only decrease the distance at which the heat it intercepts is absorbed. It doesn’t change the temperature.
it is similar to temperature principle. Adding a litre of water at 45C to a litre of water at 10C wouldn’t produce 2 litres of water at 55C