I’m off this weekend – talk quietly and politely amongst yourselves. Don’t make me come back here.
If you have something worth posting on the front page, flag a moderator. In the meantime I have a couple of stories that will post using the WordPress scheduler. – Anthony
First!!! 🙂
Is it me, or there is a nice cold tongue forming along the Peruvian coast?
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html
That’s cool Anthony. There is so much out there this week in not only the science of climate but also the politics of climate science.
I would like to throw of the first tidbit out for discussion if I may. And that is…don’t you think that the energy spent into this global warming scare could have put to actual use for the population? Not only from the Warmist side, but from the skeptic side also. Will there always be a battle between right and wrong, good and bad? And if bad becomes good, and wrong becomes right, what will be our options? And at what time in the process of switching does one take a stand?
The Left is moving forward with the belief that the science is settled. They are already getting some Republican representatives on board. If the few on the right that think that voting for this bill will help not only in there re-election but also give them more power, they WILL vote for this bill And if that happens, life,as we know it will cease to exist.
So take a stand and write your representative, even if you think that they are on your side. Tell them that you think that this bill is a fraud.
UK leads the way in the energy price torture chamber:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/household-bills/6280133/Energy-bills-could-hit-2000-by-2016.html
The world is collapsing
Around our ears
I turned up the radio
But I can’t hear it
An irritating trait among sceptical (sorry, skeptical) commenters here is the tendency of many to see the AGW debate in political terms of rightwing defenders of liberty against leftwing global government fans (the watermelon theory).
The latest example is Rereke Whakaaro on the UK TV ad thread, who picks up the fact that one of the British ministers responsible for this dire Orwellian propaganda campaign, Joan Ruddock, is an ex-chair of the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament, and then accuses CND of being finance by “Moscow Gold”.
This accusation is ludicrous, and entirely irrelevant to the AGW question. There are many leftwing Europeans who are fervent opponents of Global Warming Hysteria, and despair at seeing ALL the main political parties – left and right – kowtowing to this nonsense. Remember that Orwell, who is rightly admired and quoted on these threads, was a lifelong socialist. It’s not (fundamentally) about left versus right, but about truth versus propaganda.
I’m a leftwing atheist European, and I’ve been known to heap praise on an article by a conservative Catholic American on this site, because it was an excellent article. By all means criticise the politics and the politicisation of science, but don’t think it can be done from a Right versus Left perspective. You alienate half the people you need to persuade.
Why is it that us US colonists always have to find ourselves in an American Revolution mode against the Brits? Keep your bloody taxation to yourselves.
I don’t see any tea parties in Britain, except the kind you have at 4 p.m.
I wonder if this UK co2 ad campaign is open to legal challenge, if it were deemed misleading and removed it would send a high profile message to a large audience.
Amazing that REM tried to make the public aware of of environmental and political issues (leftward may I add), with their music….but they completely failed. Their lyrics are so capitalistic and anti communistic…and they don’t even know it! They sing in their lyrics the voices of free people. And that is the whole crux of the left and the greens. They know what is right but since they have no one to answer to they create their own God. And to them, God is Green. It is Gaia. But their true self (the man/sin of the bible), eventually shows through.
I know this is off topic…but there is no topic eh? Global warming and all that goes with it is nothing more than the new religion. Science hasn’t been thrown out of the door, it has been embraced and manupulated to fit the this new religion. And just like all other religions that gained momentum, this one will also probably become a belief accepted by the masses.
Unless…..it is met by force. But that talk is not allowed eh?
So I guess we should all just submit…..I mean others have submitted and survived eh?
Hi,
I know Anthony is away (great job Anthony by the way) but would there be any mileage in looking at the current goings on at the Artic? The Artic Temperature graph you carry from DMI is showing very unusual temperature variations. The ice growth isn’t accumulating as quickly as some of us had assumed it would.
Could someone visit this and provide an opinion? I’m no scientist but obviously I have an opinion. It kind of looks like the temperature has a part to play but other things are happening as well. I’ve looked back the archive on the DMI site and, dare I say, there is no similar signature. Unprecedented? How long will it be before the warmists grab this?
P
Ah
I am first here so let me pose a question to us all.
A bit of background first. When I discuss Global Warming with my warmist friends I ask them
“what (if anyhing) would convince you it is not happening?”
Well let me ask the question in reverse to Anthony’s readers.
“What (if anything) would convince you that Manmade emissions of Carbon Dioxide Poses a catastrophic threat to the world?”
My own personal answer is a) finding the hotspot b) if Ocean Heat Content tracked model predictions for 10 years.
40 Shades
“U.S. Energy Secretary: Apple quitting U.S. Chamber of Commerce over climate change is ‘wonderful’”
http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/22689/
Whoa…at lot of “firsts’ already….has Anthony opened a Pandora’s Box? This could go weird…which is not needed right now. Oh well, I am getting ready to submit as the effort to do otherwise is not paying off. As they say, talk is cheap, revolution is bloody, change is bull hockey.
Excellent BBC article – at last.
“What Happened to Global Warming?” h/t Marc Morano
Why can the English make such good music but not have a clue?
P Gosselin (02:11:30) :
Why is it that us US colonists always have to find ourselves in an American Revolution mode against the Brits? Keep your bloody taxation to yourselves.
How about dealing with 5th columnists Hansen and Gore before taking a swipe at us Brits?
😉
Hey Lucy: A better question would be “what happened to the tooth fairy?”
I have crossed between the poles, for me theres no mystery.
Once a man, like the sea I raged,
Once a woman, like the earth I gave.
But there is in fact more earth than sea.
Petem130 (02:27:04) :
I know Anthony is away (great job Anthony by the way) but would there be any mileage in looking at the current goings on at the Artic? The Artic Temperature graph you carry from DMI is showing very unusual temperature variations. The ice growth isn’t accumulating as quickly as some of us had assumed it would.
Could someone visit this and provide an opinion? I’m no scientist but obviously I have an opinion. It kind of looks like the temperature has a part to play but other things are happening as well. I’ve looked back the archive on the DMI site and, dare I say, there is no similar signature. Unprecedented? How long will it be before the warmists grab this?
In a nutshell, Sea surface temperatures are up becuase the oceans have gone into heat release mode because solar activity is low. This is slowing down the formation of arctic winter ice. Because Ocean heat content is at a historic high, and solar activity at a century low, there is a lot of momentum in this upwelling of stored heat and it will take time to subside.
However when it does, global temperature will plummet to below jan 2007 levels and the warmista will be left with much egg on face.
gtrip (03:14:47) :
Why can the English make such good music but not have a clue?
How come Americans talk so loud while they’re saying nothing?
😉
(note smiley)
The following “hard hitting” TV campaign is targetted at (cf insulting the intelligence of) UK climate realists and was aired during a popular, prime-time soap:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6867046.ece
Obviously the morons in Nu Labour believe the average UK sceptic (sic) has the IQ of an eight year old and that we all watch mind-numbing soaps. I just love it when these muppets underestimate the intelligence of anyone (rather a lot of people actually) who thinks independently of the socialist, politically correct hive-mind.
The majority of comments below the article are informed and very heartwarming which indicates that the Brownites have just piddled £6,000,000 in taxpayer money up the wall for zero gain.
The Times, a rabidly warmist and alarmist member of the MSM, is the same newspaper that recently plastered London tube trains with posters depicting THAT German ship being the first to navigate the North East Passage AFTER the story had been proved false. Never let the real story get in the way of a good lie…
I find it amusing that Nature has a blog post chiming in on the latest .gov scare video on climate change when the rest of Nature’s site is unquestioningly devoted to alarmism and includes mention of nutcases such as Al Gore and Joe Romm
http://www.nature.com/climate/2009/0910/full/climate.2009.102.html
tallbloke (03:32:40) :
gtrip (03:14:47) :
How come Americans talk so loud while they’re saying nothing?
😉
Wisdom falls on deaf ears 🙂 ….did I get the smiley thing right?
geoffchambers (02:03:48) :
“An irritating trait among sceptical (sorry, skeptical) commenters here is the tendency of many to see the AGW debate in political terms of rightwing defenders of liberty against leftwing global government fans (the watermelon theory).”
An irritating trait among alarmists who are not themselves left wing global government watermelons, is that they are what Lenin used to call “useful idiots” in that they serve the purpose of the left wing global government watermelon movement, agree with much of what they have to say, but continue to insist that they are their own person and are not merely a walking mass of preprogrammed left wing memes inculcated in them since University or before.
Juraj V. (01:05:04) :
First!!! 🙂
Is it me, or there is a nice cold tongue forming along the Peruvian coast?
http://weather.unisys.com/surface/sst_anom.html
Plenty of heat coming out along the equator and in the north atlantic. Warm wet and windy is my forecast for late autumn in coastal Europe.
“tallbloke (03:32:40) :
gtrip (03:14:47) :
Why can the English make such good music but not have a clue?
How come Americans talk so loud while they’re saying nothing?
😉
(note smiley)”
LMAO, good come back!