I’m off this weekend – talk quietly and politely amongst yourselves. Don’t make me come back here.
If you have something worth posting on the front page, flag a moderator. In the meantime I have a couple of stories that will post using the WordPress scheduler. – Anthony
Not to be to US centrist…but it is 23 degrees F in Grand Island Nebraska right now….and snowing. Oh well, I guess a warm front will come down an even things out! How are things playing out there in th UK? You all dismissed the temps from the central part of your island. You couldn’t take the reality just as you couldn’t take the reality of a bunch of uneducated colonist having a belief in something better. Just like India and Indonesia and parts of Africa. Still grasping at straws and trying to imperialise the world eh? You should all just stick to Page three tits and be happy already. Or you all could get together for three hours and watch people kick a ball around and if you are lucky, maybe someone will put it into a hole.
tallbloke (03:28:02) :
Excellent thought process. Cold water sinks, warm water rises. The troubling questions are:
1.) How long before the warm water is exhausted and
2.) How far will climate then plummet when the warmth is spent?
tailbloke,
They’re benedict arnolds who have the full support of the British “Establishment”. To the common blokes of GB, I urge you all to move your dull teas parties from you living rooms and bring them onto the streets, and make them rock!
A little inspiration:
I myself have had it with your taxation schemes.
The Revolution starts with a tea party!
For those who don’t know what I’m talking about…
My earlier post…
UK leads the way to the energy-price torture chamber:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/consumertips/household-bills/6280133/Energy-bills-could-hit-2000-by-2016.html
Send this to your thieving politicians:
For six days thou shalt work and do all thou art able. On the seventh the same and pound on the cable. – Old sailor’s rhyme.
Dammit! I should have known other WUWTers were already on the Poor Fluffy Bunnies story. That’ll teach me to post without reading the new threads first.
😀
Why can the English make such good music but not have a clue?
It is my understanding they got their start stealing American music – from Blacks. Racist? Not really. Just good business. Just ask some students from the London School of Economics.
tallbloke (03:28:02): In a nutshell, Sea surface temperatures are up becuase the oceans have gone into heat release mode because solar activity is low.
That is just your opinion. You don’t understand the heat absorption and release any more than the scientist that claim they do.
The oceans are still absorbing solar radiation. Just not as much because of the cloud cover that is out there now. And soon to be increasing (cloud cover).
There appears to be a three or four step climate dance that goes on here on our earth. And they waver back and forth between each other and balance out the out climate while doing their dance.
We are entering a period of cooler ocean temps, along with increasing cloud cover, both due to a lack of solar influence. The majority of the civilized world will soon be in a new “dark age” with lots of cold and rain. And when that happens, we can find another new religion to bring us to the new promise land……until then,..I hope the Rockies win tomorrow…we need a showcase.
Lucy Skywalker’s BBC article is worthy of a post here at Watt’s up. It’s worth viewing the artlce. It will also drive up the views and where the story appears at the BBC. It’s actually a bit of a big deal. If the main stream media starts to cover the skeptics fairly it will cause problems for the AGW alarmists beofore Copenhagen. It’s a real pity that Steve McIntyre’s discoveries of the weak Briffa Yamal cores data has thus far only been covered in main stream media by the National Post in Canada. But we can hope it will get further coverage. The papers know any story that drums up controversy gets attention and that is what they need. So they might cover more skeptical views.
The point about not making AGW skepticism / vs alarmism a political battle is important. Here in Australia there are members of our centre Left party, the Australian Labour Party, who are skeptics, as there are ‘Liberal Skeptics’ in the US. There are also Republican alaramists.
This issue shouldn’t be a Left/Right issue. It should be thoroughly discussed from both sides.
geoffchambers (02:03:48)
Agreed. Al Gore was quite right to say the issue is non political, and that it cuts across the frontiers. Thats why be based his investment company in London where the impending catastrophe (note – it is always impending and never real) has been pushed the hardest. In the UK we would do anything for money, since we have nothing else. Its not a right v left issue as such.
I really wish the poms were more inclined to suing people like their fellows across the pond. I really hope someone takes the UK Government to task over that outrageous commercial.
Heartening to see that 52% polled thought AGW was not something to worry about.
Have a good trip…..woops, gotta go to the outhouse, tear me off a piece of that nobel peace prize.
geoffchambers (02:03:48) :…” accusation is ludicrous, and entirely irrelevant to the AGW question. There are many leftwing Europeans who are fervent opponents of Global Warming Hysteria”
That is only because the far left environmentalists want far more than any country is willing to give (up). But at the same time, most countries are willing to pass laws that will give their own countries as many environmental laws that also give them total power. They are trying to appease to Greens and their agenda but still keeping their own. The green left pretty much wants anarchy….the political left doesn’t want to go that far,,,,they just want complete control over people and industry..
geoffchambers (02:03:48) :
“An irritating trait among sceptical (sorry, skeptical) commenters here is the tendency of many to see the AGW debate in political terms of rightwing defenders of liberty against leftwing global government fans (the watermelon theory).”
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I couldn’t agree with you more.
http://www.shvoong.com/exact-sciences/earth-sciences/498637-great-global-warming-swindle/
“The theory of manmade global warming began to be politicized when Margaret Thatcher (then Prime Minister) set out to break the political power of the coal miners. She saw an opportunity in the global warming debate to promote nuclear power because it doesn’t emit CO2.”
I don’t think that anything could convince me now.
Five years ago, I would have had a different answer.
I am convinced that the frequency of the Schwabe (11-yr) solar cycle has a high degree of correlation with the PDO cycle. When the Schwabe is “speeding up” (11 years), the PDO is negative. SC 22, which ended in 1996, was the “fastest” Schwabe cycle in over 100 years, with a length of 9.7 years. In 2005-2006, it became apparent that SC 23 was going to be anomalously long; while at the same time, it also became apparent that global warming had paused. Since then, the PDO has gone negative and even some of the “warmistas” are acknowledging that global warming is taking a break that could last another 10 to 20 years. My bet is that this current cooling phase will last until at least 2023, with a UAH temp. anom. nadir in the -0.2 range .
So… If the Earth failed to begin cooling as the Schwabe cycle slowed down, I would have been more inclined to accept the AGW theory as being valid.
Another avenue by which I could have been convinced is in the ice core data. The initial announcement that delta-T and delta-CO2 correlated very well in Pleistocene glacial cycles according to data derived from ice cores, made me think that maybe CO2 was a climate driver. The subsequent “discovery” that the delta-T always preceded the delta-CO2 convinced me that, if anything, climate change drives the carbon cycle.
Then there was the “Hockey Stick” fiasco. MBH98/MBH99 were published right about when North Texas seemed to be becoming hotter and hotter every year and between the time that the Pleistocene ice core data were announced and the lag time discovered. I assumed that MBH98/MBH99 were valid paleoclimate reconstructions.
The unravelling of the Hockey Stick, the CO2 lag time in the ice cores and the fact that Earth started to cool in concert with the lengthening Schwabe cycle pretty well QED’ed it for me.
At this point, the only thing that could push me back toward accepting the greenhouse gas-driven AGW theory would be a resumption of a warming trend in the low frequency component of the satellite temperature data. Even then, the fact that pretty well all of the fraud and gross scientific errors have been on the part of the IPCC and “warmistas,” would make it very difficult to accept the greenhouse gas-driven AGW theory.
geoffchambers,
Then we look forward to seeing a range of leftist media, politicians, pundits, and blogs expressing their s(c/k)epticism. Got some good links?
Yes, Orwell was a Socialist, but it wasn’t a coincidence that he chose the term ‘Ingsoc’ to represent the philosophy of totalitarian control over every aspect of people’s lives, supposedly in the interests of a greater good. Totalitarians like to use good causes as justifications for the coercive controlling measures they want to bring in, and highlight shared external threats to justify the sacrifices of individual liberty and prosperity these entail.
There are a few well-known exceptions, but the assumptions are based on a genuine lack of liberal (in the original sense) left-wing voices to speak out against this tendency. So it’s good to have you on side, here.
We need more.
Patrick Davis (03:53:09) :
“tallbloke (03:32:40) :
gtrip (03:14:47) :
Why can the English make such good music but not have a clue?
How come Americans talk so loud while they’re saying nothing?
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(note smiley)”
LMAO, good come back!
Come on Patrick Davis…..Your only post is a dig????
Jimbo (04:45:35) :
geoffchambers (02:03:48) :
I couldn’t agree with you more.
“The theory of manmade global warming began to be politicized when Margaret Thatcher (then Prime Minister) set out to break the political power of the coal miners. She saw an opportunity in the global warming debate to promote nuclear power because it doesn’t emit CO2.”
Keep dreaming Jimbo and geoff. Are you members of the club of Rome?
gtrip (04:19:41) :
tallbloke (03:28:02): In a nutshell, Sea surface temperatures are up becuase the oceans have gone into heat release mode because solar activity is low.
That is just your opinion. You don’t understand the heat absorption and release any more than the scientist that claim they do….
We are entering a period of cooler ocean temps, along with increasing cloud cover, both due to a lack of solar influence.
I notice you tell me I don’t know what I’m talking about, then repeat my thesis. 😉
As a matter of fact it’s not just my opinion, but the result of detailed calculations done by me and verified by none other than Leif Svalgaard.
I’m writing something to give to people who are ‘brain washed’ about global warming. I came up with this:
rbateman (03:58:46) :
tallbloke (03:28:02) :
Excellent thought process. Cold water sinks, warm water rises. The troubling questions are:
1.) How long before the warm water is exhausted and
2.) How far will climate then plummet when the warmth is spent?
There is another component to it, particularly important for Artic Ocean. Hot waters of Gulf stream evaporates, increasing salinity, becomes heavy, sinks down; fresh waters of arctic rivers and ice melting are lighter and float on the top.
http://www.whoi.edu/cms/images/oceanus/2005/12/halocline_18008.jpg
rbateman (03:58:46) :
tallbloke (03:28:02) :
Excellent thought process. Cold water sinks, warm water rises. The troubling questions are:
1.) How long before the warm water is exhausted and
2.) How far will climate then plummet when the warmth is spent?
According to the model I’ve built which uses sunspot numbers and a magnetism proxy (LOD), it will take quite a while for the heat accumulated in the upper 700m of the ocean during the high solar cycles of the C20th to be released. It will happen in waves too, so it’s hard to predict exactly how far the global temperature will dip between each phase of heat release. It’s a process which will go on for a couple of decades at least, and will be modified by the solar cycles during that time.
My model predicts a fall of around 0.35C in SST’s over the next 20 years given lower than average solar cycles. That would still leave ocean heat content higher than 1953, and would leave us in 1960’s-70’s temperatures. By then though, the PDO should be about to turn positive again, unless we get a grand solar minimum…
My model is only tentative, as always more and better data is needed.
Orwell was a skeptical socialist. He thought the theories looked good on paper but in practice they were impossible to achieve because power corrupts. 1984 and Animal Farm is what happens in practice.
P Gosselin (04:02:58) :
tailbloke,
They’re benedict arnolds who have the full support of the British “Establishment”. To the common blokes of GB, I urge you all to move your dull teas parties from you living rooms and bring them onto the streets, and make them rock!
A little inspiration:
I myself have had it with your taxation schemes.
The Revolution starts with a tea party!
I’ve been advocating the same thing regarding the Climate bill in the U.S. Hold a big party in the parks of the cities on a nice summer day and hand out lots of leaflets with juicy quotes from founding fathers and scientists whose work shows the falsity of AGW.
How about an international climate reality day next summer? I’ve helped organise events before, and been in the front line against the riot cops on a few occasions too. Poll tax, Anti war rallies etc.
I’m up for it.