Michael Ronayne writes:
To the right of the burned out pixel, a second Sunspot group, with two spots, is forming which can be seen in this image:
The burned out pixel between the two groups is a fairly common issue with SOHO, and they routinely “bake” the sensor to get rid of them. Sometimes people mistakenly interpret them as sunspots in this new age of counting sunspecks.
The way to determine if it is a burned out pixel or not is to look for other off-colr pixels immediately arround it. If the pixel stands by itself, it is a burned out pixel.
So far these have not been assigned a number. They are just barely what one would call sunspots and my bet is that much as we’ve seen before from SC24 specks, they will be short lived, probably 48 hours or less.
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Just Want Truth… (17:30:37) :
Not only does Svenmark et al have some good theory on climate, but they have also managed to collect data on the structure of parts of the Milky Way that are obscured. If there is precession on the orbit of the Solar System through the Galaxy, then it’s possible to build a more 3D image of our Galaxy.
I would also note that others have identified high-latitude dust clouds in our Galaxy. If the Solar System’s orbit is inclined, it may hit some of these dust clouds and thier abrupt boundaries. It may also collect that dust and take much time to sweep it out. Lots of possibilities here.
Leon Brozyna (14:21:42) :
Now all that remains is to see which of the predictions bears up: 50 – 70 – or 90.
90 isn’t a real prediction, just a bureaucratic compromise [and a bad one to boot].
Well something has to be causing the larger than normal leaves, I don’t remember leaves larger than normal during the last real warm and record setting wet year which was 1998, I also don’t remember my observations seeing a good cooralation between rainfall, temps. and leaf size, they only started getting larger than normal last year.
You say nutrient density, can CO2 affect that, there’s also the matter of increased photosynthesis according to co2science.com?
http://www.purgit.com/co2ok.html
Just found this link, it does talk about CO2 affecting leaf size nitrogen fixation in soil, and just about everything else related to plants in a positive way, I haven’t read it all, but it gives an overview of the incredible benefits of the current rise of atmospheric CO2 levels.
This is the first time in many months that I can say this: Now THAT is a sunspot. A bona fide, true, visible to our predecessors, go ahead and give it a number sunspot. Maybe this is indeed the start of something for 24.
ujagoff (20:29:24) :
> This is the first time in many months that I can say this: Now THAT is a sunspot.
Yeah, but it doesn’t warrant all caps. 😉 Try these:
http://www.lunarsurf.com/~eyenot/pics/essays/2012/sunspot032901.gif
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/images/maf/photogallery/031029aurora_midi512_blank.gif
http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/headline_universe/solar_system/stories_2003/images/sunspots_oct_2003_big_jpg_image.html
ujagoff (20:29:24) :
This is the first time in many months that I can say this: Now THAT is a sunspot. A bona fide, true, visible to our predecessors, go ahead and give it a number sunspot. Maybe this is indeed the start of something for 24.
Are you trying to say: “Yesssss!!!!! Global warming lives!!!!!!!!!”
One seems a bit bigger now, can’t see the other one. I’d say we would have a sunspot visible with yesteryears equipment.
rbateman (19:36:18) : If the Solar System’s orbit is inclined, it may hit some of these dust clouds and thier abrupt boundaries. It may also collect that dust and take much time to sweep it out. Lots of possibilities here.
Well according to this:
http://www.viewzone.com/milkyway.html
Not only is our orbit way more inclined than you might every have thought, but we are the space invaders from another galaxy!
“The fact that the Milky Way is seen in the sky at an angle has always puzzled astronomers. If we originated from the Milky Way, we ought to be oriented to the galaxy’s ecliptic, with the planets aligned around our Sun in much the same angle as our Sun aligns with the Milky Way. Instead, as first suggested by researcher Matthew Perkins Erwin, the odd angle suggests that our Sun is influenced by some other system. Together with data from the Two-Micron All Sky Survey we now know what it is. We actually belong to the Sagittarius Dwarf galaxy.”
So, do you feel like a space alien ???
And did we even notice the galactic “collision”?
But I’m sure it’s impact on earth is “settled science”…
i did my bit of the research and found out that this whole concept of Dead Pixel theory is still undeveloped and in nascent stages… probably an year or two doing down the line, this would be something big…
Oddly enough, while the prior (slightly offbeat) link has a discussion of our new galactic membership as maybe causal of global warming, the BBC article (that has some of the same press release in it) omits the GW angle.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3142582.stm
Yet this India expat paper has virtually the same GW text:
http://www.rediff.com/news/2007/jun/26earth.htm
Though tracking down the original press release says that the claim that we are space aliens is false, but that we are at / near the intersection of where the two galaxies are colliding (AND it has really nifty pictures!)
http://astsun.astro.virginia.edu/~mfs4n/sgr/
OK, so maybe we’re not aliens from another galaxy, we’re just getting random starts and star dust from another galaxy all over us… couldn’t possibly have any effect…
Adolfo Giurfa (18:23:48) :
Carsten Arnholm, Norway (12:53:44) : Good photos!, how did you manage to find them?…knowing your abilities perhaps you have an special software to do it…unless you are using a ouija board 🙂
You can see these spots visually in an amateur telescope like mine (Celestron C8). I have some self acquired training in astronomical imaging, so this is not hard compared to other objects. Now that we have SOHO, you can just look at that first and check for yourself aftrwards. And yes, I have my own software for capturing the images 🙂
This is a day off here, and the weather is still perfect (although the seeing=turbulence is bad), so I will image the spots again. According to SOHO the group is now much bigger.
On Sunday May 31, 2009 Mt. Wilson did report two Sunspot groups:
ftp://howard.astro.ucla.edu/pub/obs/drawings/dr090531.jpg
Mike
Via iceagenow.com
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/185580-Still-More-on-Diminished-Solar-Activity-and-Global-Cooling
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/185448-The-Great-Global-Warming-Deception
Without any comment:
http://theresilientearth.com/?q=content/airborne-bacteria-discredit-climate-modeling-dogma
Richard M (19:22:45) : said: “I suspect that increased CO2 is likely the cause of many changes now being blamed on warming. Certain species may now thrive where they previously could not grow … having nothing to do with temperature”.
I don’t think so Richard … unless the plants suddenly adapted themselves through gene therapy!
And did we even notice the galactic “collision”?
Galaxies don’t collide in the solid sense.
The spectacular images like the Siamese Twins are from two spiral galaxies passing each other in close proximity and disrupted gravitational and outer mass.
The less-than-spectacular images as in M51spiral /NGC 5195 SB along the same trajectories where the individuals are not violently disrupted.
If we are part of the Dwarf Elliptical previously captured by the Milky Way, then we would also have an orbit about it, and the Sagittarius Cloud would have the orbit about the Milky Way… at a distance. As in M110 & M32 about M31. Ditto for the LMC & SMC about the Milky Way. Captured, not colliding. Otherwise the arms would be torn up on the Milky Way in short order.
It is more likely that the proto-arms were pulled away from the satellite galaxies by the larger host, not the other way around.
I have imaged the spots again today. The poor seeing (=local air turbulence) makes it difficult to get proper sharp images, but using stacking techniques the result can be greatly improved over individual images. The resulting still images are combinations of hundreds of individual frames taken from a webcam video sequence.
For reference, here is a backup of the current SOHO image, showing the placement and size of the spot group
http://arnholm.org/astro/sun/sc24/soho_20090601_0716.jpg
Then an image taken with a Philips webcam and C8 telescope (2000mm focal length). Of course using proper solar filters. Never, never look at the sun without filters made for the purpose, or you will go blind instantly!.
http://arnholm.org/astro/sun/sc24/sun_20090601_1039.jpg
The above image already provides better resolution than the SOHO image, you can see more smaller sunspecks in it.
Using a barlow lens, one can increase the focal length of any telescope. I tried using a 2xbarlow, which means the resulting focal length became 4000 mm., but finding obkects and focusing is then much more difficult.
The reult from processing the video taken through the 2xbarlow
http://arnholm.org/astro/sun/sc24/sun_20090601_1130_2xbarlow.jpg
Now. what is the spot count in this group? I think it illustrates that sunspot counting is very much dependent on resolution and observation techniques, and the way individuals interpret what they see.
Apologies if this becomes a duplicate post. if so, just delete this post. But I can’t see that my previous attempt is awaiting moderation.
Here are new images of these spots from today
@ur momisugly 2000mm focal length
http://arnholm.org/astro/sun/sc24/sun_20090601_1039.jpg
@ur momisugly 4000mm focal length
http://arnholm.org/astro/sun/sc24/sun_20090601_1130_2xbarlow.jpg
compared to SOHO image
http://arnholm.org/astro/sun/sc24/soho_20090601_0716.jpg
Clearly, the spot count is very much dependent on resolution and image interpretation.
Jimmy Haigh (22:29:02) :
Are you trying to say: “Yesssss!!!!! Global warming lives!!!!!!!!!”
Not in the least. Though I’m sure someone somewhere is thinking that.
Carsten Arnholm, Norway (03:06:21) : Thanks for the information about your equipment and how you detect “lost pixels”. I used to be an amateur astronomer but I had to quit as Lima´s sky is 9 out of 12 months covered with a single cloud at an altitude of about 200 mts.high, and it does not rain at all. When it drizzles here is really humidity oversaturation.
Ron de Haan (04:47:30) :
In 1991 there was an cholera epidemia, here in Lima, Peru. Some were blaming the local water company, so this company made a research putting petri dishes to collect bacteria on lamp posts , and they found that the “vibrion cholera” was in the atmosphere (which usuallly has more than 80% humidity).
The new sunspot is beautiful,,, this one would have definatley been seen pre- 1940. Solar Cycle 24 has FINALLY begun! 🙂
pkatt (11:36:59) :
I think the area high on the eastern limb is the original producer of the current sunspot activity we are seeing now. It was the one that pushed up the radio flux to 75.8 at it’s peak on 2009/05/16. It has a way to go before it’s face on so we will have to wait and see if it has weakened. I believe it’s the longest lasting area of activity Solar 24 has produced to date.
Amendment.
I think the area high on the eastern limb. That should read “western” limb.