New Cycle 24 spots emerging

Michael Ronayne writes:

To the right of the burned out pixel, a second Sunspot group, with two spots, is forming which can be seen in this image:

SOHO_MDI_053109

The burned out pixel between the two groups is a fairly common issue with SOHO, and they routinely “bake” the sensor to get rid of them. Sometimes people mistakenly interpret them as sunspots in this new age of counting sunspecks.

The way to determine if it is a burned out pixel or not is to look for other off-colr pixels immediately arround it. If the pixel stands by itself, it is a burned out pixel.

So far these have not been assigned a number. They are just barely what one would call sunspots and my bet is that much as we’ve seen before from SC24 specks, they will be short lived, probably 48 hours or less.

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Lamont
May 31, 2009 2:43 pm

SC24 may be getting its act together or it may sputter again. The cycle 14-15 low had a 15-month run of mostly spotless months, then in sept 1912 it had a month with only 8 spotless days, then it went right back to an 18-month run of mostly spotless months, then it sputtered a bit for about 6 months before cycle 15 really took off. We’ve had a 17-month run of mostly spotless months. A one-month uptick of activity now followed by another longer period of inactivity would still be well within the observed sunspot patterns of the last 150 years or so…

Mike Ramsey
May 31, 2009 2:57 pm

Ric Werme (12:20:15) :
Mike Ramsey (10:05:00) :

http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/realtime/mdi_mag/512/
isn’t showing much.

The mag image I see is a couple days stale and is timestamped 2009/05/29 14:24. Sigh.
You are right.  I didn’t notice that the latest image was out of date.  What’s up with that? 🙂

rbateman
May 31, 2009 3:10 pm

It’s putting on a show, for now at least.
Just the other day a big flare popped out on the farside.
Question: Was the flare an origin source, and are we seeing the delayed bounce from the blowout (like magnetic-seismic waves) ?

May 31, 2009 3:33 pm

Bunch of Deniers! Accept the Truth. We are defeated! The sun has arisen and shall smite us with spots!
I’m still fuzzy on the N/S poles in spot groups. Is the orientation for a particulart cycle one of east/west, or equatorward? In other words, are we looking for the, let’s say North, pole to be to the right of the South, or on the equator side of the South pole?
As of now, it looks like the lead group is already gone, but the trailing group has picked up some steam. Darn magnetogram is two days old.
Carsten Arnholm, Norway (12:53:44) : Good animation. Mer, takk.

Molon Labe
May 31, 2009 3:57 pm

OT: Frost warning for NY
“Local gardeners may want to take special measures to protect their plants this evening as a frost advisory has been issued for much of New York state, including Oneida County.
“The advisory issued by the National Weather Service remains in effect until 8 a.m. Monday.”

May 31, 2009 4:12 pm

Chu’s White Paint Brush
If they hadn’t painted the roses red we wouldn’t be in this trouble. Just go ask Alice.

Adam from Kansas
May 31, 2009 4:41 pm

And again I say, CO2 is good.
I say this because I look in my own backyard and most of the trees have larger than normal leaves, a baby walnut almost looks like a bush, an oak tree twig has the biggest leaves I have even seen on such a twig, 3 baby maples are growing larger than normal leaves, the mulberries and hackberries are getting jumbo leaves again, the sweetgum has some leaves larger than normal, and there’s a few others yet O.o
Only our cottonwood and a few others have leaves the same size as every typical year, this could partly be the result of increased rainfall too, but also the abundant sunshine and, (you guessed it), higher CO2 levels.

Robert Wood
May 31, 2009 4:45 pm

This again raises the question of whether these Sun Specks would be observable in the Maunder Minimum.
As an aside, it is interesting how we (and not only WUWT followers) are obsessing over the slightest speck. It seems that we all, even the Warmenistas, have a subconcious suspicion about the Sun. Could it possibly affect climate…..????

John F. Hultquist
May 31, 2009 4:51 pm
John F. Hultquist
May 31, 2009 4:58 pm

Mike Ramsey (14:57:37) :
Ric Werme (12:20:15) :
Wanna bet no one works on weekends?

Just Want Truth...
May 31, 2009 5:16 pm

“” Adam from Kansas (12:48:13) :The only benefit to painting everything white would that the UHI effect would be a lot less””
I don’t know what the measurement would be, a lot, a little. Unless it was a white instead of black roof where a temp station is placed.
Or in the case of this photo at this link if the pavement was painted white it would make a noticeable difference :
http://wanews.org/news/UHI_files/tucson_from_above.jpg
The explanation for it being placed there was they are trying to reproduce desert conditions? Is that what they’ve said?

Just Want Truth...
May 31, 2009 5:17 pm

How long will it be until they are gone? Or are are they already gone now, at 5:17 California time, Sunday night?

Just Want Truth...
May 31, 2009 5:19 pm

Carsten Arnholm, Norway (12:53:44) :
I like the photos!

Just Want Truth...
May 31, 2009 5:30 pm

Robert Wood (16:45:22) :
Robert,
I’ve posted this video a couple of times. I see a couple other commenters have posted it too. But, in case you and any others haven’t seen it its a fascinating documentary.
http://www.thecloudmystery.com/Home.html
5 parts in YouTube :

rbateman
May 31, 2009 5:32 pm

It seems that we all, even the Warmenistas, have a subconcious suspicion about the Sun. Could it possibly affect climate…..????
Thousands of years and religions throughout the ages that featured the Sun as vital and life-giving. Yes, it’s been subconciously drummed into us.
It’s a nagging thought, that it is.
Faster than a speeding Hansen. More powerful than a burning Gore. Able to leap AGW in a single bound.
It’s Sol, and he smiles for Anthony.

May 31, 2009 6:06 pm

With respect, this is the most preposterous claim for a sunspot that I have seen in a long time. A weak plage, yes.

Editor
May 31, 2009 6:08 pm

Adam from Kansas (16:41:28) :
> And again I say, CO2 is good.
> I say this because I look in my own backyard and most of the trees have larger than normal leaves, a baby walnut almost looks like a bush, an oak ….
Things may be weird in New Hampshire too. For a couple years some May Apples have been spreading like crazy and some Vinca (Myrtle) is too. Some commercial Ostrich ferns that struggled since we planted them a few years ago suddenly look like proper ferns. A couple of days ago I noticed on a dog walk some Red Oak shoots from a stump had grown 2-3 feet this year. I didn’t know oaks could grow that much in a month!
I don’t have proper data for any of this, and while we had a dry spell it didn’t slow things down much. However, it does look like plants here agree with you.

Robert Wood
May 31, 2009 6:15 pm

Faster than a speeding Hansen. More powerful than a burning Gore.
LOL

May 31, 2009 6:23 pm

Carsten Arnholm, Norway (12:53:44) : Good photos!, how did you manage to find them?…knowing your abilities perhaps you have an special software to do it…unless you are using a ouija board 🙂

Just Want Truth...
May 31, 2009 6:40 pm

Those who find that the sun has an effect on climate and weather, like Piers Corbyn, Henrik Svensmark, Nir Shaviv, and Jan Veizer (and Lubos Motl 😉 ) are running in to the same trouble with traditionalists that Richard Feynman ran in to with traditionalists on his views of the characteristics of the atomic level :

But “the truth shall set you free”!!

Just Want Truth...
May 31, 2009 6:45 pm

“”Robert Wood (18:15:46) :
Faster than a speeding Hansen. More powerful than a burning Gore.
LOL”
Don’t forget how powerful that “Gore Effect” is, also the “Chu Effect”.
And what about that effect James Hansen has on coal protest attendance?
These powers are real and not to be trifled with!

a jones
May 31, 2009 6:47 pm

I have often said we should learn from the ancients and the Aztecs in particular.
So to deal with climate change and AGW we need a pyramid.
No problem, there are any number of trendy British architects to design and build a very grand glass and stainless steel pyramid duly aligned according to Feng Shui etc.
Next we need some virgins. Now I am aware that these are an endangered species and consequently very rare and costly but no expense can be spared.
Then we place our virgins together with the high priests of AGW at the top of the pyramid and at each level down the lesser proponents of AGW such as the politicians, the NGOs, the meeja etc.
For all must attend.
At the propitious moment when the sun’s rays strike the correct point at Stonehenge the Virgins must be sacrificed so we can call on the Sun to give us a sign.
If however Sol remains inscrutable we must obviously do more to placate him by setting the pyramid and all those within it on fire.
Of course this might not succeed but at least we would no longer be bothered by all these gloom and doom mongers.
Kindest Regards

Just Want Truth...
May 31, 2009 6:54 pm

Robert Wood (18:15:46) :
Oh, and don’t forget about James Hansen’s powers of choosing the creepiest looking attire to wear those coal protests!

TIM CLARK
May 31, 2009 7:14 pm

Ric Werme (18:08:11) :
Adam from Kansas (16:41:28) :
> And again I say, CO2 is good.
> I say this because I look in my own backyard and most of the trees have larger than normal leaves, a baby walnut almost looks like a bush, an oak ….
Things may be weird in New Hampshire too. For a couple years some May Apples have been spreading like crazy and some Vinca (Myrtle) is too. Some commercial Ostrich ferns that struggled since we planted them a few years ago suddenly look like proper ferns. A couple of days ago I noticed on a dog walk some Red Oak shoots from a stump had grown 2-3 feet this year. I didn’t know oaks could grow that much in a month!
I don’t have proper data for any of this, and while we had a dry spell it didn’t slow things down much. However, it does look like plants here agree with you.

While an increase in [CO2] is associated with increasing carbohydrate production and consequently, yield, the enzymatic processes contributing to leaf size are more responsive to nutrient concentration and/or temperature. Nitrogen by itself has a Mitcherlitz response (in the % ranges we are discussing) about 2X that of [CO2].

Richard M
May 31, 2009 7:22 pm

Ric Werme (18:08:11) :
Adam from Kansas (16:41:28) :
I suspect that increased CO2 is likely the cause of many changes now being blamed on warming. Certain species may now thrive where they previously could not grow … having nothing to do with temperature.