Your chance to tell NOAA/NWS what you think about "climate services".


A letter from the NWS:


You are invited to take part in the NOAA National Weather Service (NWS) Climate Services Customer Satisfaction Survey open until Wednesday,  June 10^th 2009.

The NWS Climate Services Program is committed to meeting the needs of its customers through collaboration,  partnerships, outreach, and training.  The NWS Climate Services Program includes the Climate Services Division, the Climate Prediction Center, and the NWS Regional and Local offices. The NWS is researching user satisfaction with products and services provided by the Climate Services Program, and would appreciate your feedback. The purpose of this research is to help the NWS improve its climate products and services for you and others like you.

Your answers are voluntary, but your opinions are very important for this research.  Your responses will be held completely confidential, and you will never be identified by name.  CFI Group, a third party research and consulting firm, is administering this survey via a secure server.  The time required to complete this survey will be dependent on how certain questions are answered, but it will likely take approximately 20 minutes, and is authorized by Office of Management and Budget Control No. 1505-0191.

Please Click Here:

to provide your valuable feedback through the survey. 

The deadline for survey responses is *Wednesday,  June 10^th 2009*.

Please forward this announcement to your interested constituents and partners. Thank you very much and we apologize for any cross-postings as we are distributing this survey widely.

Ok, “wide distribution”, you got it, happy to oblige. Brace for impact. – Anthony

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Leon Brozyna
May 14, 2009 9:55 am

Brace for impact indeed.
I trust the report will be written on fire retardant paper.

Frank K.
May 14, 2009 9:59 am

Thanks for the link. I took the survey – boy they must have paid a lot of money for someone to set this up! I any case, in the comment boxes I told them that they needed to make sure that all of their analysis codes were available online so they could be scrutinized by interested persons to permit verification and auditing of the algorithms being used to generate their climate predictions. I also mentioned that their codes should be well documented, but I’m not holding my breath on that one…

May 14, 2009 10:04 am

Come on, Anthony, I can live with the text adverts but not the flash-based ones I’m now forced to scroll over to get to even the comments spot. If this is the future, I think your site has no future. I realise you have to make a living but Google is going to screw you right off the internet. If you don’t believe me, send a reply e-mail address and I’ll send you a screen-shot.

May 14, 2009 10:34 am

When I see the term “climate services”, I automatically start thinking along the lines of the type of services offered by women of ill repute.
Shameless blog plug alert!
First they came for your SUV’s, and you did nothing…
Then they came for your incandescent bulbs, and you did nothing…
Then they came for your flat screen TV’s, and you did nothing….
Now they come for your iPods…….

May 14, 2009 10:55 am

Pops – I see no flash adverts when I access this blog. Maybe you need to change the security settings in your browser?

Ron de Haan
May 14, 2009 11:04 am

Pops (10:04:53) :
“Come on, Anthony, I can live with the text adverts but not the flash-based ones I’m now forced to scroll over to get to even the comments spot. If this is the future, I think your site has no future. I realise you have to make a living but Google is going to screw you right off the internet. If you don’t believe me, send a reply e-mail address and I’ll send you a screen-shot”.
I don’t understand your problem.
I have customized my browser (Firefox in this case) to suppress adds and flash adds reducing the Google Adds to text only.
I have ample higher download times and NO PROBLEMS with any kind of interference with the original WUWT postings.

Pearland Aggie
May 14, 2009 11:19 am

Now THIS is the WUWT Quote of the Week! LOL
Brace for impact indeed. I trust the report will be written on fire retardant paper.

May 14, 2009 11:28 am

NOAA appear to be known for their err… unique methods of data processing… but data bias appears to be leaking over to the solar front,,, the most recent GONG images show no spots, only blurry plages that can be seen if you tilt your head to the side and look at the screen at an angle to see a darker image, yet there is still a sunspot number, surely it can’t go on like this… 100 years ago it wouldn’t have been seen so why should it be counted? Standards really need to be set for such things,
Catania has been going absolutely wild, naming random specks of dust like it is going out of fashion.

May 14, 2009 11:47 am

Antarctic Melt Less Than Thought, But Still Serious, May 14, 2009 · Scientists have been worried about the West Antarctic Ice Sheet for decades. A new study finds that if it were to collapse, global sea level would rise drastically, though not as much as predicted 30 years ago…
…In a study published Thursday in Science magazine, Bamber’s group now concludes that if West Antarctica does collapse catastrophically, global sea level would eventually rise by about 11 feet, not 20.
Nothing on above average ice in Antarctica, of course…

Ron de Haan
May 14, 2009 11:50 am

Besides the NOAA climate service pole, serious action is needed according to as our politicians tend to decide on a compromise on the Waxman Cap & Trade bill.
On a list of all the Senators and contact information is published with the request to contact them with a single message: NO CAP & TRADE
The risk of not being reelected is what drives these people so call them, mail them, fax them, write them en mass.
Thank you.

May 14, 2009 12:28 pm

“I am a percentage!”

Pearland Aggie
May 14, 2009 12:32 pm

Alex (11:28:33) :
This may be true, but artificially enhanced sunspot counts do not make an active sun!

May 14, 2009 12:36 pm

and the results will be filed away in the little round filing bin

May 14, 2009 12:47 pm

Alex (11:28:33) :
NOAA appear to be known for their err… unique methods of data processing… but data bias appears to be leaking over to the solar front,,, the most recent GONG images show no spots

Be more compationate, in these hard times, they have to survive !

May 14, 2009 12:51 pm

Brace for impact indeed.
survey feedback will contain adult language, adult content, and pychological nudity. Reader discretion is advised.

May 14, 2009 1:25 pm

Sigh! But why should I have to suppress that which I need to use on other sites that have not been tempted by the Google-eyed monster?
Sooner rather than later, Anthony will get a phone call SUGGESTING that the advertisers would prefer that he tone-down his site… just a little. It will happen.
Enjoy the site while it lasts.

May 14, 2009 1:29 pm

Pops, I have never seen a popup on WUWT. You appear to have a client-based problem. Anthony, KUTGW.

May 14, 2009 1:31 pm

I just want one thing. I want a hit count for the word “bias” in the comments.

Pearland Aggie
May 14, 2009 1:34 pm

papertiger (12:51:28) :
Careful! Lest you be banned from Britain as well! 🙂

Don B
May 14, 2009 1:35 pm

What NOAA could do is read this Fortune magazine article interviewing John Christy in which he talks about Urban Island Heating and mis-sited weather stations. Someone should do a study about quality of stations.

Pearland Aggie
May 14, 2009 1:58 pm

uh oh….this can’t be true, can it?
INTERVIEW – US Forecaster May Cut Atlantic Storm Outlook
Colorado State University hurricane forecaster Bill Gray said on Wednesday he may reduce his next Atlantic season forecast because sea temperatures are cooling and a weak El Nino may appear by late summer.
Gray said sea surface temperatures in parts of the Atlantic were clearly cooling. Where they were about 0.1 degree Celsius above average last fall, they are now about 0.3 degrees Celsius below average, he said.
Hurricanes draw energy from warm water, so cooler temperatures bode well for fewer and possibly weaker storms.
The prospect of an El Nino event — a warming of eastern Pacific waters that can suppress hurricane activity in the Atlantic by increasing storm-wrecking wind shear — could be a key element in the outlook for the 2009 season, Gray said.
Those of us on the US Gulf Coast sure hope Dr. Gray is right!

May 14, 2009 1:59 pm

I don’t see any flash ads. All is see is some text ads and a little icon, a cartoon of James Hansen wearing his floppy white hat…and a trench coat, and…oh, wait…aaaaughgh!

UK Sceptic
May 14, 2009 2:56 pm

Somewhat O/T. It seems that I’ve been providing a climate service peripheral over the last week.
Climate depot has used a couple of my graphics (I take photographs and produce simple graphic designs as a hobby and licence them to be used for free). First my “No BS” graphic to illustrate on article on Plimer’s excellent book and now my witch image.
I’m well chuffed that the images are being used in a good cause. However, there’s a flipside to this as I discovered yesterday:
Do you think the supereco webmaster will listen if I explained to him/her that the cooling tower emissions in my power station image are water vapour and not CO2?

May 14, 2009 3:11 pm

Definitely off-topic for this post but certainly worth a blog entry of it’s own, and maybe even a “Quote of the week”.
British explorers cut short trek to North Pole
Beginning of article:
By CHARMAINE NORONHA, Associated Press Writer Charmaine Noronha, Associated Press Writer – 1 hr 20 mins ago
TORONTO – British explorers in northern Canada to measure the thickness of floating Arctic sea ice ended their expedition short of reaching the North Pole due to an early summer ice melt, the team said Thursday.
Explorers Pen Hadow, Ann Daniel and photographer Martin Hartley had planned a three-month journey to the North Pole, but ended their arduous trek Wednesday, approximately 304 miles (490 kilometers) from their destination, said Hadow.
The trio stopped after 73 days, during which they measured the thickness of floating sea ice to provide data to scientists studying the impact of global warming in the region.
“This year, the summer melt came a little early***” Hadow said during a Webcast conference from Resolute Bay in northern Canada
***There’s your quote of the week, maybe of the year.

May 14, 2009 4:36 pm

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Pamela Gray
May 14, 2009 5:22 pm

I don’t need a climate change service. I need weather pattern variation prediction based on natural drivers so that I know whether or not to plant my spring wheat or stick with winter red. These are not decisions I can make 3 weeks prior to implementation. I need higher predictive accuracy a year or more in advance.

May 14, 2009 5:52 pm

I have never had any ads or pop ups. I use an ad blocker and that may be the reason. At any rate, I would not mind anything since you are doing yeoman work for all of us. I will send the comments but have the usual reservations regarding the NWS.

May 14, 2009 6:04 pm

Don B (13:35:13) :
You beat me to it.
When I think of Climate Services, I immediately think of climate alteration. Haven’t taken the survey yet, will get to it shortly.
Pamela Gray (17:22:19) :
I’m sure my distributor needs to know that too. They need to know where to do thier sourcing for the year, to keep the shelves stocked with their feeds. That would be an excellent service: adaptation to warming or cooling climate (and yes, weather-climate).
The sales reps eyes lit up when I told him of the Deep Solar Minimum. The sound of gears turning in his head were deafening.

Pamela Gray
May 14, 2009 6:13 pm

I took the long road survey. My biggest beef is that predictions are wrong, wrong, wrong for areas of the country where there are crops. We don’t plant in the blankety blank fricken city park next to the water treatment plant and the weather sensor. I have a wheat field that is no where near telephone poles or electric wires, let alone a road that can be navigated with a car. Hell, Doppler radar doesn’t even cover it. The weather forecast is based on population centers, but I don’t give a rat’s ass if a city dweller misses the weather report and leaves the umbrella behind on a rainy day. However, they might get a bit testy with me if there is no bread on the table.

James S
May 14, 2009 6:54 pm

Pops – I’m running Internet Explorer with no ad blockers or anything. I get the text google ads but nothing flash based or anything that jumps out.
I would advise a malware scan as you may have something that pops up these ads on your system.

Bill in Vigo
May 14, 2009 7:45 pm

While not a commercial farmer. I agree with Pamela. All the weather forecast are for the nearest major population center with their as and heat. I grow to feed a large family and it makes a difference to me. I buy fertilizer and insecticide based on the temperature and precipitation forecasts and they are practically never correct. I have fertilizer in storage that has been in the barn for 3 years now. If they want to provide the service that they intend they need to get off their AGW high horse and use empirical data not corrupted by manipulation. They need to understand what drives the weather and use that for their models. I know that it isn’t exact but at least it should get close. Here in NE Alabama the prediction of a warm dry spring is so cool and wet that many farms haven’t been able to plant. Perhaps we should put some of this stimulus moneys into true investigation of our weather systems so that we can get a better understanding of what makes up our climate.
Don’t mean to be long winded but all we need is a division of NOAA to argue with each other and compete. I would love to see some investments in better surface stations properly located. new satellites with better sensors and raw data back to 1895 as advertised.
Bill Derryberry

May 15, 2009 6:49 am

Same problem here outside Atlanta as Bill had in AL. I geared up to work on my roof this past Tuesday based on a 5 am forecast calling for a 20% chance of rain. It began raining before noon over a widespread area that lasted several hours.
When there is a major storm system crossing the country, anyone in front of it can predict what the weather will be.
When conditions are setting up which are favorable to a weather change (e.g., sudden storm build-up, or the creation of a storm system), or there are no prevailing systems, models must be used to forecast what will happen.
And the models suck.

May 15, 2009 6:58 am

Don B (13:35:13) :
Someone should do a study about quality of stations.

Will nobody out there take up the challenge?

H. Spencer
May 15, 2009 7:54 am

There is an irony to this discussion. Mike Hall, now retired, was one of the individuals who played a key role in establishing climate change research in the Federal system in 1988 under George Bush Sr. Mike was responsible for the Office of Global Programs now known as the Climate Program Office. He, unlike his colleagues at other Federal agencies, deliberately chose to focus on climate variability rather than long term climate change. Because of his unit’s research and the operationalization of the work by National Weather Service we have a great deal of the information Watts up and other information sources present on El Nino and the PDO.
More importantly for this discussion the work by Mike, and later leaders, also recognized the need for linking that information to decision support. NOAA’s funding of research and operations associated with river forecasting and management, forest fire forecasting and logistics support, agriculture decision support, and drought management have made significant contributions to helping manage the impacts of climate variability and drought.
The challenge you identify, however, is that if the service focuses strictly on climate change given the ambiguities and discrepancies that exist about the concept it is possible that NOAA will find itself allocating resources to a mirage of a problem and ignoring the valuable work it is doing with regards to climate variability.
There may well be a need for a climate service but it is one that needs to be able to continue to advance the successes that have been achieved with seasonal and decadal research. On the long term trends it needs to have a enough room to manouver that should the current theory be falsified it is able to address what are considered currently as outliers in the mainstream thought such as global cooling due to solar variability.
Do I think a climate service could be of value? I do, but with the caveat that it is not trapped in focusing only on long term trends as understood by GCM output but rather is focused on addressing climate issues of value to decision makers across a range of temporal and spatial scales.
Given the scale of the current budget deficits the issue may rapidly become moot if significant budget cuts are triggered over the next 2-3 years.

May 15, 2009 12:37 pm

Re. Nuclear energy –
Well I can sincerely say I hope you people are right about the radiation and residuals management for nuclear waste.

Rod Smith
May 15, 2009 3:08 pm

Pops: Running Mac OS-X here with Safari, and “Block Pop-up Windows” checked. I haven’t seen a single pop-up ad.
REPLY: That’s because there are no popup ads on WUWT, and I would NEVER allow any.. If you are getting popup ads, then your system is infected with malware or adware of some sorts. – Anthony

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