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WUWT commenter “philincalifornia” writes about Lockwood’s comment in National Geographic about the state of our sun and predictions of a quiet period and possibly a cooling trend, but adds an interesting twist:
“[Global warming] skeptics tend to leap forward,” said Mike Lockwood, a solar terrestrial physicist at the University of Southampton in the U.K.”
Ha ha ha.
“The Arctic will be ice-free in 5 years”
– Al Gore, December, 2008
Touche’
I want Algore to take a trip to the North pole in 2018-and i will bet that he will need a Dog sled….
It is a good thing that there is lots of ice in the arctic and it cannot suffer the fate of the Maldive tree that was uprooted by eco friends to erase proof that the seas are not rising.
Though if they could they might throw some soot around.
Anthony,
Do you mean a “quiet” period ? (typo)
Well, I am truly honored indeed.
Might I add that perhaps now would be a good time to discover an ozone hole above the Arctic !!
Talking of which the intrepid three will be coming home this week doubtless to collect the noble peace prize
” Now that the end is in sight (it’s expected the Ice Team will be lifted off the ice later this week)’
The book is well advanced by the sounds of:
“Expedition Leader Pen Hadow takes around 75 ice and snow measurements each day and has recruited his fellow team members to assist him. I appointed Martin Assistant Surveyor”, he laughs. “And Ann calls herself the Officer Junior. Ann’s humble position is no reflection on her measuring ability or willingness to participate. It’s just that much of the science is carried out once we’ve set up camp when her workload is at its most demanding. Daniels is keen to emphasise her role, however. “I help weigh the snow and I record the results”, she says. “And I make the hot chocolate when they stop for a break!”.
Must make Prince Charles chuckle, as he banks another million or so from his ‘green enterprises’.
Phil,
That WAS funny.
nicely done. 😉
You have been quite irrespectful of HIS HIGHNESS the KING OF FOOLS, the only King who has predicted the most dreadful Global Warming, the only one who has the courage of challenging the SUN itself, by denying its heating power, the only one to proclaim “THE SUN IS COLD”.
Douglas DC (11:24:16) :
I want Algore to take a trip to the North pole in 2018-and i will bet that he will need a Dog sled….
Will his Majesty’ s cholesterol allow it?
To make that happen in 5 years will only take 300 to 400 nuclear weapons properly spaced.
I heard Mr. Macdonald of http://www.cbc.ca/quirks/ being interviewed by Peter Mansbridge on the CBC Nightly news a short time back. He was asked by Peter what effect the sun will have on the earth with the solar minimum going on and on? While Macdonald acknowledged that the lack of sunspots has been linked in some models to a slightly cooling earth he felt quite sure that this was being more than made up for by man made pollutants. We have all had that discussion, but I do wonder now if his argument can be easily taken apart? Anyone have a good couple of links to look at?
To be fair, although unlikely, Gore ~could~ still turn out to be right. VERY unlikely though.
Why is that Al Gore quote dated dec 2008?
I’m assuming he quoted someone else (and it didn’t take long to find this, from at least aug 2008; http://nothoney.com/2008/08/21/ice-free-arctic-in-five-years-scientists-report/ – and I’m quite sure I heard him (Gore) in person claiming ice free arctic in five years time at the Web 2.0 Summit in early nov 2008.
Just curious. Timing matters 😉
Steve (11:38:42) :
“It’s just that much of the science is carried out once we’ve set up camp when her workload is at its most demanding. ”
The rest should be carried out…
Algore could be on to something now that 2012 (last year of Mayan calender!) is predicted to be the end of the world.
Yes, the quote of the week is worthy. But….
it’s a sad day in Justwanttruthville. My quote of the week if from evanmjones in the ‘Our Current Minimum is More Maunder than Dalton’ thread.
And he writes :
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It is the very model of a modern Maunder minimum
(I wanted to be plainer but I couldn’t find a synonym)
And thanks to modern media it’s not believed by anyone
The sun has done a bunk and we will freeze for a millennium
And so I’ll see you later; I am off for the equator
For is the very model of a modern Major-minimum
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Suitable for framing.
Troed Sångberg (13:50:30) :
Why is that Al Gore quote dated dec 2008?
I’m assuming he quoted someone else (and it didn’t take long to find this, from at least aug 2008; http://nothoney.com/2008/08/21/ice-free-arctic-in-five-years-scientists-report/ – and I’m quite sure I heard him (Gore) in person claiming ice free arctic in five years time at the Web 2.0 Summit in early nov 2008.
Just curious. Timing matters 😉
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I was very careful with that. I actually wanted to get the exact date, but couldn’t find it. The YouTube video (from a speech he made in Germany)came out around the second or third week of December, and was attributed as “last week in Germany etc. etc.”. So I’m pretty sure that the speech to which I referred was given in the first two weeks of December, 2008.
Indiana Bones (13:54:03) :
Algore could be on to something now that 2012 (last year of Mayan calender!) is predicted to be the end of the world.
Didn’t know The Lord of Dark Soot was a Mayan reeincarnate! I thought he was just an Alien…
What makes me upset is that none of the Al Gore crew will be made to pay for their idiocy.
Anthony, if you refer to
Isn’t the exact quote then:
“The *entire* north polar ice cap may well be *completely* gone in 5 years”
Jack (15:08:01) :
“What makes me upset is that none of the Al Gore crew will be made to pay for their idiocy.”
No, we will pay for it. Over and over. Makes you wonder who is the idiot.
Jack (15:08:01) :
What makes me upset is that none of the Al Gore crew will be made to pay for their idiocy.
Al Gore is the poster boy for AGW. If AGW is shown to be a hoax, Al Gore will be the poster boy for that too.
Trust me, this will be punishment beyond any torture ever invented. I genuinely feel sorry for Al. His approval ratings will make Richard Nixon look like a saint.
Just Want Truth… (14:33:07) :
You may be right, but:
Too late! Ha Ha !!
Too late! Ho Ho !!
…. from the same comic opera, I do believe.
Just Want Truth. That was VERY GOOD. fm
anna v (11:26:07) :
“It is a good thing that there is lots of ice in the arctic and it cannot suffer the fate of the Maldive tree that was uprooted by eco friends to erase proof that the seas are not rising.”
Holocene reef growth in the Maldives: Evidence of a mid-Holocene sea-level highstand in the central Indian Ocean
P.S. Kench1, S.G. Smithers2, R.F. McLean3 and S.L. Nichol1
Radiometrically calibrated ages from three reef cores are used to develop a Holocene reef growth chronostratigraphy and sea-level history in the Maldives, central Indian Ocean. Last interglacial reef (U-series age 122 ± 7 ka) was encountered at 14.1 m below mean sea level. An age of ca. 8100 calibrated (cal) yr B.P. immediately overlying this Pleistocene surface records the initiation of Holocene reef growth. Massive in situ corals occur throughout the cores and the consistency of the three age-depth plots indicate that the reef grew steadily between 8100 and 6500 cal yr B.P., and at a decreasing rate for the next 2 k.y. The position of modern sea level was first achieved ca. 4500 cal yr B.P. and sea level reached at least 0.50 ± 1 m higher from 4000 to 2100 cal yr B.P. before falling to present level. Emergent fossil microatolls provide evidence of this higher sea level. Results are significant to two long-standing issues relating to Maldivian sealevel history. First, the ambiguity of a late Holocene highstand has been resolved with clear evidence of its existence reported here. Second, the uncertainty of the regional pattern of sea-level change in the central Indian Ocean has been clarified, the Maldivian results broadly agreeing with island records in the eastern, rather than western Indian Ocean. Our results provide the first field evidence confirming geophysical model projections of a highstand 4–2 k.y. ago in the central Indian Ocean, though the observed level (+0.50 ± 0.1 m) is lower than that projected.
philincalifornia (15:47:26) :
Hey, don’t take it personally. My hat is off to you–congratulations!! I know I won’t see my comments in Q of W. I’m sorta cardboard.
It’s just that evan was witty. That’s all I’m saying.
Frank Mosher (16:26:57) :
I hope you aren’t thinking I wrote that little poem. It was evanmjones.
Speaking of that ice…
look at 2009 diverging from 2008 :
DMi—OSISAF
http://ocean.dmi.dk/arctic/icecover.uk.php
ROOS
http://arctic-roos.org/observations/satellite-data/sea-ice/ice-area-and-extent-in-arctic
I don’t see that rapid melt for them white-knuckling-it alarmist. What happens when you go a stage beyond white-knuckling-it? We just might find out!
Carsten Arnholm, Norway (15:18:52) : That “may” of His Highness is quite convenient…just in case.
Hey, Just Want Truth,
An excellent bit of satire. It reminds me of this (for obvious reasons) from a math professor from Harvard.
Enjoy::
http://nerds.unl.edu/pages/resource/elements.swf
A fine link, WestHoustonGeo. Thanks.
Just Want Truth… (17:20:50) :
philincalifornia (15:47:26) :
Hey, don’t take it personally. My hat is off to you–congratulations!! I know I won’t see my comments in Q of W. I’m sorta cardboard.
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Good quality, stiff cardboard though, if you didn’t know I was kidding there (and here !!). Ha ha ha.
WestHoustonGeo (18:58:44) :
Great link, thanks. It’s so nice to be among scientists in my online time. Thanks Anthony for that.
“[Global warming] skeptics tend to leap forward,” said Mike Lockwood, a solar terrestrial physicist at the University of Southampton in the U.K.”
I think a fair response would be that AGW promoters tend to suffer from projection, in more ways than one.
philincalifornia (20:33:20) :
Good quality, stiff cardboard—plied, crossgrain corrugation, the dullest you can find, and yet, all the while never lacking in intellectual inimblity. (is that a word?)
I find it difficult to believe that my inspired and brilliant comment “Al Gore is a poofter” was not a winner
‘Al Gore is a poofter’.
Is that ad homonem ?
OT but within this thread:
philincalifornia (15:47:26) :
Just Want Truth… (14:33:07) :
You may be right, but:
Too late! Ha Ha !!
Too late! Ho Ho !!
…. from the same comic opera, I do believe.
Not so. JWT (quoting Evan) was parodying “Pirates of Penzance”, Phil “Ruddigore”
philincalifornia: Found it. At 27:03 in the linked video, from Web 2.0 Summit 2008 (on the last day, so, 7th of Nov) – “The north polar ice cap […] 75-80% chance that during the summer months it will be completely and totally gone, within five years”
Professor Lockwood is a Solar Terrestrial physicist! Got it in one, head in clouds, feet on ground, & ne’r the twain shall meet!
As for Al Gore, remember Eric Von Daniken (not sure of the spelling). He was all the rage at school as a teenager, I even read one of his many books, fascinating stuff, all those aliens coming to earth & making all those weird & wonderful ancient things we admire today. It was all a load of *!%$£^, whoops the babel fish is playing up! I believe that will be Gore’s fate eventually, he will quielty slip away into retirement on his FAT pension paid for by all those gullible fools who believed him. Von Daniken claimed innocence by saying he never took any of the photos, or visited many or any of the sites, but merely interpreted what was put in front of him, & that is exactly what Gore will do. He will squirm his way out of it somehow, people like him always do!
Al Gore is going to sorely regret that statement.
Dear ana v:
You were very kind to our “eco friends”. Weren’t you tempted to leave out the “r” in “friends”? And thank you for your good comments. Sam
Troed Sångberg (01:06:09) :
Thanks for specifying the starting point, 27:03.
27:03 to 27:46 for those who can’t endure to listen to Al Gore for 47 minutes.
If you go back to the 27:00 point and start there, “One quick fact…” How does he know, with certainty, it’s been there 3 million years?
“Apocalyptic…. wildly disrupting….” More good news from Al Gore.
BTW, Al Gore could stand to lose a few pounds.
Disputin (00:58:48) :
Too late! Ha Ha !!
Too late! Ho Ho !!
…. from the same comic opera, I do believe.
Not so. JWT (quoting Evan) was parodying “Pirates of Penzance”, Phil “Ruddigore”
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I’m disputin’ that sir.
It’s from The Pirates of Penzance. They then go on to say:
“Here’s a first rate opportunity
To get married with impunity
And indulge in the felicity
Of unbounded domesticity”
…. and I didn’t have to Google that either !! Amazing what you can remember from a Grammar School production, 37 years ago !!!
Troed Sångberg (01:06:09) :
Thanks for that video. Perhaps there are even earlier ones. You would think he would have the sense to refer to a summer timeframe, rather than a winter date ?? Well you would wouldn’t you ??
The one I referred to was a speech he made in Germany. He was in some kind of museum with a big dinosaur skeleton in the background.
Either way, we’re all agreed on 2013 for the big pool party at the North Pole. I’ll bring the margaritas.
philincalifornia (07:45:34) :
By God you’re right, Sir! My apologies. I was conflating the “Ghosts’ High Noon” with the chorus of fiends from “The Sorcerer”. Sorry. (Now I’ll get off this thread).
I agree with Just Want Truth. The take off on the song from the Pirates of Penzance deserves special recognition. Very clever evanmjones. Too bad Gilbert and Sullivan are not around to do an opera about algore. I’d pay good money to see that.
Big problem coming up –
Watching the sea ice cover in the Arctic on AMSRE, today 13/5/09 the sea ice in Hudson Bay, western Greenland, as well as other places, is diminishing as it should, seeing it is half way through the NH spring thaw.
The problem is that now we should see the Warmistas coming out in droves, predicting that AGW is further advanced, the Greenland ice cap is melting, the MSM will have alarmist articles and special ‘science’ articles to keep the pot boiling and papers selling. Al Gore must be about to make another prediction – no summer ice at the North Pole within 5 years.
The Catlin expedition should add to the alarmism, after they get bailed out/rescued from all that “melting ice” and returned home to Aunty BBC.
Of course watching the sea ice cover in the Antarctic on AMSRE, shows the growth of the sea ice is amazing, and we probably won’t hear about the Antarctic until next year when a bit more ice calves off one or more of the glaciers, or the Wilkins Ice Shelf cracks off a couple of kilometres.
A couple of questions [snip]. It might help to move the climate change debate forward if you could explain how the exponential increase in human population from 1 billion in 1800 to almost 7 billion today – with corresponding exponential increases in the release of previously sequestered carbon (ie burning wood, coal, oil and natural gas) – could NOT have had a measurable impact on the global environment.
Precisely what global mechanism(s) is/are offsetting the increased human activity ? And can human population, and its associated energy consuption, continue increasing in this way into the future without impacting the global environment in any way ?
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