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Speaking about Australia and Kevin Rudd’s turnabout in delaying a carbon trading scheme, this quote from WUWT commenter “hareynolds” comes to mind:
In this case, we’ve apparently had a global genocide of common sense, with the last remaining bits taking up residence in Australia. I guess that’s why it’s God’s Country.
True dat.
Hot-air doomsayers
Ian Plimer | May 05, 2009
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25429080-5013479,00.html
Is there any way to get Ian Plimer’s book in the US? I went to Amazon and it says “out of print”
So when Charles announced the introduction into Scotland of the new prayer book he would discover just how little he understood the kingdom of his birth.
The Royal Council had, very obligingly, let it be known that the prayer book had to be introduced at the latest by Easter 1637. Then there was a printing delay. This gave ample time for the Calvinist preachers and Lords to organize exactly what they were going to do. Archbishop Lord, The King, The Council, The Bishops .. everyone fell straight into the trap. Now who ever thought that a little thing like this would start a Revolution. The British Wars began here ……..
Simon Schama – The British Wars
Err…. Copenhagen … 09
Phillip Bratby (09:59:06),that reminds me of another adaptation of ‘Advance Australia Fair’ called ‘Advance Australia’s Fare’.
Written in 1996, it is still apt.
http://www.rogerclarke.com/WM/AAFImproved.html
ROM (04:51:37) :
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We have a Prime Minister, the first amongst ministers and he had better watch his back.
If he stuffs up too often and the electorate or party goes cold on him, unlike an incompetent president, he will find himself on the back bench’s rather rapidly.
Prime Minister Rudd read the signals loud and clear and so we get a delay in the ETS, a rather very long delay I feel.
ROM – Fabulous post – hear you loud and clear, and couldn’t agree more.
Seems to me that a 1 year delay in the ETS is definently the thin edge of the wedge – the pressure however must be unrelenting on the warming alarmists.
Peter,
You bet I’m not one of those workers. It is an industry not unlike door-to-door encyclopedia sales – doomed and rendered irrelevant in ever-changing times. My point is this could have been forecast over 20 years ago, so don’t expect me to feel much sympathy for the industry. I have about the same amount of respect for those participants as the ones that wander, chain saw in hand, into the pristine Tasmanian old growth forests and fell some of the tallest trees in the world, all for a quick buck. It shows an INCREDIBLE myopia and a complete ignorance of the incalculable services rendered by the world’s forests left standing. But I diverge…..
The point is, the massive amounts of carbon now being thrown into the atmosphere on a time scale of decades, having been locked away for tens of millions of years, IS a source of major concern for the earth’s species no matter how much you might like to bury your head in the sand and ‘think’ otherwise.
Adolfo,
You can gladly have all my “door-to-door encyclopedia-esque” coal investments – that’s like rowing out desperately to scramble aboard the sinking Titanic. Have at it. The rest of us will be busy spending money on “Wikipedia” energies and their derivatives.
ROM (04:51:37) :
Concur completely. Very well expressed.
For those who are interested more about Ian Plimer and what he has to say. Check out the podcast for ABC (Australian) Radio National. On the program “Counterpoint” on 2009-04-27, (ie last week) Plimer gave a 20 minute talk. Quite scathing on Al Gore and Penny Wong. Clearly the talk was dumbed down and not overly scientific in view of the audience. I downloaded it on iTunes.
If you go to:
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/counterpoint/
and look for Monday 27th April at time 16:40 you will find a link to Plimer’s talk. You can either download the Transcript or download the MP3 podcast.
Fuelmaker (11:58:02) : My best mate tried to buy Ian Plimer’s book for me last week for my birthday. She went to 7 bookshops here in Sydney and all of them were sold out. She has an order in for me and I can’t wait to get my hands on it. I’m slowing turning her from believer to skeptic and with her appreciation of science I’m sure she’ll love it too. So, far from being out of print, I’d say the printers are having a field day working overtime to get more books on the shelves! Patience, it will appear at some stage in Amazon. You could try http://www.fishpond.com.au/ which states it has 800 copies but I’m not sure if they ship outside of the Antipodes. Hope that helps 🙂
Fuelmaker (11:58:02), if you are looking for Ian Plimer’s book, you may be better off placing an order with the publisher.
http://www.connorcourt.com/catalog1/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=7&products_id=103
Prime Minister Rudd read the signals loud and clear
I find it amazing that Monbiot does not seem to read the clear signal of the changing response to his posts… he is stuck in a groove, but his respondents have become more and more informed and critical…
I agree except for the god part. The idea of god(s) is such a ridiculous concept – somehow accepted as fact by 90% of humanity. I guess I’m the one out of my mind, then?
Lucy Skywalker
With humble respect I would suggest that all the climate blogs I visit fail in two ways.
Both the bloggers and the posters are very limited and quite self centred in the way they dissect the science from a very narrow and wealthy western based viewpoint.
There is rarely if ever, any discussion at all on the attitudes and thinking of the those billions of the world’s citizens outside of the very narrow western science based viewpoint on climate change.
Yet the decisions that are taken by the western politicians based on the beliefs of a tiny coterie of western scientists will have dramatic, far reaching and possibly drastic effects on the rest of the world’s citizens.
And those billions of the world’s citizens will not be consulted or even told when decisions possibly affecting all humans on this planet are taken by that tiny coterie of western scientists.
In my own humble and uneducated fashion I have tried to point this out in the above post.
The second failure is the complete lack of any input by the blogs and their posters on human psychology which is fundamental to so much of the beliefs, non beliefs and dissension over the so called climate change.
You have just raised this by your plaintive asking of why don’t some individuals with very rigid beliefs fail to alter their beliefs in the light of the new evidence that is contrary to their current beliefs.
Even a quick bit of thinking on this will bring the realisation that those bloggers who have the type of psychology that moves them to take an extremist position backed up by very strong and extremist language to support their case and who have gained a great deal of publicity and therefore sit high on the public pedestal will have great difficulty in backing down from this extremist position.
A back down of any type for this type of psychology is almost impossible as to do so is an unambiguous admittance of failure in their own eyes.
So they drive on, all the while steadily heading into that great lost desert of total irrelevance unless they find a great new cause to pursue.
For all successful bloggers with a very large and loyal following it must be one of the great challenges to maintain a sense of your own actual worth and real place in the world and not allow yourself to begin to think that you are superior to others purely because you are being told so by your supplicants on nearly every occasion.
It is a unique and much to be admired successful blogger who can keep their heads in this situation.
Successful politicians are by nature geared to not allowing themselves to be trapped into making extremist statements or using extremist language from which they will have extreme trouble wriggling out of sometime in the future.
So ask yourself this.
How many people would vote for George Monbiot if he stood for a political position?
There I think you have your answer!.
Matt Bennett (16:48:07) :
The point is, the massive amounts of carbon now being thrown into the atmosphere on a time scale of decades, having been locked away for tens of millions of years, IS a source of major concern for the earth’s species no matter how much you might like to bury your head in the sand and ‘think’ otherwise.
So you are saying that the Chinese and Indians are stupid, too, given their obvious lack of concern for your “major concern”? Is their push toward development by means of the construction of hundreds of coal-fired electricity plants stupid? And just why aren’t they concerned about your “major concern” as they act in the best interests of their societies by aggressively constructing their coal-fired electricity plants?
Instead, Matt, perhaps it is you whose “concern” is purely an untethered psychological condition? And you who have no major concern for the Chinese and Indian people?
J.Peden,
“aggressively constructing their coal-fired electricity plants”…
And why wouldn’t they? Get while the gettin’s good, as they say. While this remains the cheapest way to supply growing economies and populations, why wouldn’t these governments, unimpeded by any legislation, build while they can? How does that in ANY way negate the fact that what they are doing spells massive global warming, with all its inherent risks to our populations (along with all the other species) and is reckless and irresponsible in the light of current scientific knowledge? Answer: it doesn’t.
So yes, I am deeply concerned for all peoples. You share the myopic view I talked about earlier if you think this wave of coal-powered construction is the answer. I’d suggest you start reading some of the actual science, in real journals, instead of getting your reassurance from blogs or pseudo-skeptical internet publishings.
Stan Needham (05:26:04) :
“One little detail that you people seem to ignore. Access to cheap, abundant energy is what keeps us and our children alive.”
Allan, I can’t speak for Matt, but a substantial number of Leftists who share the alarmist view would delighted if their policies resulted in a massive die-off of human population. If’ you’ve never read The Green Agenda, you need to.
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Hi Stan,
Yes I’ve read this Green Agenda before, but thank you for the refresher – actually now I need some room freshener after reading quotes from Gore, Hansen and other warmist intellects – I’ve never seen such a concentrated heap of steaming BS in all my life.
Bottom line:
Earth is cooling, not warming. Problem solved! Trillions of dollars and billions of lives saved!
Now young Barack, stop all this CO2 abatement foolishness and save Americans’ money! You’re going to need it for all those bailouts…
Matt Bennett (21:01:01) :
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I’d suggest you start reading some of the actual science, in real journals, instead of getting your reassurance from blogs or pseudo-skeptical internet publishings.
Matt – you keep making assertions without providing any empirical evidence to back up your assertions.
In the absence of empirical evidence that can be independently validated, why should anyone give your assertions any credibility at all?
Graeme,
May I be so bold as to suggest you actually read the IPCC (2007) report or have you decided that you know better than ‘all them ivory tower scientists’?
You’re going to look pretty stupid if you haven’t even bothered to do that yet and you are knocking the science behind it. If you have – well, what can I say, the citations are all there in peer-reviewed journals of impeccable standard. You’ve got all the empirical evidence you could ever wish to chew on. It’s your choice to ignore it.
Matt Bennett (21:01:01)
Ok, Matt, according to you the Chinese and Indians are indeed stupid and unconcerned about their own societies’ well being. In contrast to yourself.
Matt Bennett (23:49:51):
the citations are all there in peer-reviewed journals of impeccable standard.
Such as those involving the Mann Hockeystick, for example?