Climate Science Fraud at Albany University?

From the Scientific Misconduct Blog, 2 May 2009 (h/t to Benny Peiser)

by Dr.Aubrey Blumsohn

Professor Wei-Chyung Wang is a star scientist in the Atmospheric Sciences Research Center at the University at Albany, New York. He is a key player in the climate change debate (see his self-description here). Wang has been accused of scientific fraud.

I have no inclination to “weigh in” on the topic of climate change. However the case involves issues of integrity that are at the very core of proper science. These issues are the same whether they are raised in a pharmaceutical clinical trial, in a basic science laboratory, by a climate change “denialist” or a “warmist”. The case involves the hiding of data, access to data, and the proper description of “method” in science.

The case is also of interest because it provides yet another example of how *not* to create trust in a scientific misconduct investigation. It adds to the litany of cases suggesting that Universities cannot be allowed to investigate misconduct of their own star academics. The University response has so far been incoherent on its face.

Doug Keenan, the mathematician who raised the case of Wang is on the “sceptic” side of the climate change debate. He maintains that “almost by itself, the withholding of their raw data by [climate] scientists tells us that they are not scientists”.

Below is my own summary of the straightforward substance of this case. I wrote to Wei-Chyung Wang, to Lynn Videka (VP at Albany, responsible for the investigation), and to John H. Reilly (a lawyer at Albany) asking for any correction or comments on the details presented below. My request was acknowledged prior to publication, but no factual correction was suggested.

Case Summary

  1. The allegations concern two publications. These are:
    • Jones P.D., Groisman P.Y., Coughlan M., Plummer N., Wang W.-C., Karl T.R. (1990), “Assessment of urbanization effects in time series of surface air temperature over land”, Nature, 347: 169–172. (PDF here)
    • Wang W.-C., Zeng Z., Karl T.R. (1990), “Urban heat islands in China”, Geophysical Research Letters, 17: 2377–2380. (PDF here)
  2. The publications concern temperature at a variety of measuring stations over three decades (1954-1983). Stations are denoted by name or number. A potential confounder in such research is that measuring stations may be moved to different locations at different points in time. It is clearly important that readers of publications understand the methodology, and important confounders.
  3. The publications make the following statements:
    • (Statement A) “The stations were selected on the basis of station history: we chose those with few, if any, changes in instrumentation, location or observation times.” [Jones et al.]
    • (Statement B) “They were chosen based on station histories: selected stations have relatively few, if any, changes in instrumentation, location, or observation times….” [Wang et al.]
  4. The publications refer to a report produced jointly by the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and the Chinese Academy of Sciences (CAS) which details station moves, and the publications further suggest that stations with few if any moves or changes were selected on the basis of that report. However:
    • Of 84 stations that were selected, Keenan found that information about only 35 are available in the DOE/CAS report
    • Of those 35 stations at least half did have substantial moves (e.g 25 km). One station had five different locations during 1954–1983 as far as 41 km apart.
  5. It therefore appears that Statements A and B must be false. If false, readers would have been misled both in terms of the status of the stations and the manner in which they had been selected (or not selected).
  6. Keenan then communicated with the author of one of the publications (Jones) to ask about the source of location information pertaining to the other 49 stations that had not been selected using the described methodology. Jones informed Keenan that his co-author Wang had selected those stations in urban and rural China based on his “extensive knowledge of those networks”.
  7. On 11 April 2007 Keenan E-mailed Wang, asking “How did you ensure the quality of the data?”. Wang did not answer for several weeks, but on 30 April 2007 he replied as follows:

    “The discussion with Ms. Zeng last week in Beijing have re-affirmed that she used the hard copies of station histories to make sure that the selected stations for the study of urban warming in China have relatively few, if any, changes in instrumentation, location, or observation times over the study period (1954-1983)”

  8. Keenan points out that the “hard copies” to which Wang refers were not found by the authors of the DOE/CAS report, who had endeavored to be “comprehensive” (and that the DOE/CAS report was authored in part by Zeng, one of the co-authors on Wang). Keenan further notes that any form of comprehensive data covering these stations during the Cultural Revolution would be implausible.
  9. In August 2007 Keenan submitted a report to the University at Albany, alleging fraud. Wang could at that stage have made the “hard copy” details of the stations selected available to the scientific community. However, he failed to do so.
  10. In May 2008, the University at Albany wrote to Keenan that they had conducted an investigation and asked him to comment on it (see the rather odd letter). However they refused to show him the report of the investigation or any of the evidence to allow any comment (further odd letter).
  11. In August 2008 the University sent Keenan an astonishing letter of “determination” stating that they did not find that Wang had fabricated data, but that they refused to provide any investigation report or any other information at all because “the Office of Research Integrity regulations preclude discussion of any information pertaining to this case with others who were not directly involved in the investigation”.
  12. Wang has still not made the station records available to the scientific community. If he provided such records to the University as part of a misconduct investigation, then the University has apparently concealed them.

Comments

  1. In the absence of any explanation to the contrary, it seems that the methodology for station selection as described in these two publications was false and misleading.
  2. Wang maintains that hard copy records do exist detailing the location of stations selected by himself outwith the published methodology. However the refusal to clarify “method” is inappropriate and a form of misconduct in and of itself. It does not lend credence to Wang’s assertion that fraud did not take place. It would also be necessary to see records of stations that were not selected, in order to confirm that selection was indeed random, and only “on the basis of station history”.
  3. The University at Albany is in a difficult position.
    • If the University received such records as part of the supposed misconduct investigation, then they could easily resolve the problem by making them available to the scientific community and to readers.
    • If the University does not have such records then they have been complicit in misconduct and in coverup of misconduct.
    • If the University at Albany does have such records, but such records are not in accordance with the stated methodology of the publications, then the University has more serious difficulties.
  4. “Investigations” of scientific misconduct should themselves align with the usual principles of scientific discourse (open discussion, honesty, transparency of method, public disclosure of evidence, open public analysis and public discussion and reasoning underlying any conclusion). This was not the case at the University at Albany. When you see universities reluctant to investigate things properly, it provides reasonable evidence that they really don’t want to investigate things properly.

For further information on this case see here and here.

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(2) THE FRAUD ALLEGATION AGAINST SOME CLIMATIC RESEARCH OF WEI-CHYUNG WANG

Informath, April 2009

http://www.informath.org/apprise/a5620.htm

Douglas J. Keenan

Following are some remarks about my exposé, “The fraud allegation against some climatic research of Wei-Chyung Wang“.


Wei-Chyung Wang is a professor at the University at Albany, State University of New York. He has been doing research on climate for over 30 years, and he has authored or co-authored more than 100 peer-reviewed scientific articles. He has also received an Appreciation Plaque from the Office of Science in the U.S.A., commending him, “For your insightful counsel and excellent science. …”. The plaque resulted in particular from his research on global warming.

I have formally alleged that Wang committed fraud in important parts of his global-warming research. Below is a relevant timeline.

03 August 2007 My report, “Wei-Chyung Wang fabricated some scientific claims“, is sent to the Vice President for Research at Wang’s university.
31 August 2007 The university notifies me that it is initiating an inquiry into suspected research misconduct by Wang. (The notification includes a copy of the university’s Policy and Procedures on Misconduct in Research and Scholarship.)
12 November 2007 My exposé on Wang’s alleged fraud is published (reference below).
07 December 2007 Myself and the university’s Inquiry Committee have a conference call.
20 February 2008 The university sends me the Report of the Inquiry Committee. The Committee unanimously concluded that “there was no data” (thus implicitly concluding Wang must have fabricated data) and that a full investigation should be undertaken.
23 May 2008 The university sends me a notice: the Investigation Committee has completed its work and found no evidence of fraud. The investigation was conducted without interviewing me, which is a violation of the university’s policy. The university asks me to comment on the Committee’s report; I am, however, not allowed to see the report.
04 June 2008 The university informs me that I am not allowed to see the report because they did not interview me when preparing it.
06 June 2008 I submit comments to the university, listing ways in which I believe the university has acted in breach of U.S. regulations and its own policy.
11 July 2008 I submit a complaint to the Public Integrity Bureau at the Office of the Attorney General of New York State, alleging criminal fraud.
12 August 2008 The university sends me the determination for its investigation, saying that there is “no evidence whatsoever [of] … any research misconduct”.
07 October 2008 I telephone the Public Integrity Bureau and am told that it might be some months before the Bureau begins to review the complaint.
17 March 2009 I telephone the Public Integrity Bureau and am told that the complaint is under review by an attorney.
18 March 2009 I file three requests under the Freedom of Information Law of New York State: for a copy of the full report by the Inquiry Committee; for a copy of the full report by the Investigation Committee; and, given that the relevant federal funding agencies are required to be notified when a misconduct investigation is initiated, for copies of all such notifications that were sent by the university and pertain to the investigation of Wang.
24 March 2009 Given that Wang received funding for the fraudulent research from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and that the DOE has since supplied more funding to Wang, I report the fraud and the university’s apparent cover up to the Office of Inspector General at the DOE.

This web page will be updated with news about the case, as the investigations progress.

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(3) KAFKA AT ALBANY

Freeborn John, 15 March 2009

http://freebornjohn.blogspot.com/2009/03/kafka-at-albany.html

Peter Risdon

Last June I reported on the allegations of academic fraud levelled by a British mathematician, Doug Keenan, against Professor Wei-Chyung Wang of New York State University at Albany.

Dr Keenan alleged that in work that has come to be widely cited in climate studies, work that included the collation of data from temperature measuring stations in China, Professor Wang made statements that “cannot be true and could not be in error by accident. The statements are fabricated.”

In August 2007, Dr Keenan submitted a report (pdf) of his allegations to the Vice President for Research at Wang’s university and an inquiry was initiated. In February 2008 this was escalated into a full investigation by the Inquiry Committee.

All this was summarised in my earlier post, together with quotations from Dr Keenan’s allegation.

So far, things had run as might be expected. A fraud had been alleged, the University at Albany looked into it and decided to hold a formal investigation. Dr Keenan waited to be contacted by the investigation and asked to put his case, in line with the university’s Policy and Procedures on Misconduct in Research and Scholarship (.doc). The relevant section of this document runs as follows (emphasis added):

III. A. Rights and Responsibilities of the Complainant

Rights: The Vice President for Research will make every effort to ensure the privacy and confidentiality of complainants. The University will protect, to the maximum extent possible, the position and the reputation of those who in good faith report alleged misconduct in research.

The Vice President for Research will work to ensure that complainants will not be retaliated against in the terms and conditions of their employment or other status at the University and will review instances of alleged retaliation for appropriate action. Any alleged or apparent retaliation should be reported immediately to the Vice President for Research.

The complainant will be provided a copy of the formal allegations when and if an inquiry is opened. The complainant will have the opportunity to review portions of the inquiry and investigation reports pertinent to the complainant’s report or testimony, and will be informed in writing of the results of the inquiry and investigation, and of the final determination. After the final determination and upon request to the Vice President for Research, the complainant shall be given access to the full documentation.

Responsibilities: The complainant is responsible for making allegations in good faith, maintaining confidentiality, and cooperating fully with an inquiry and/or investigation.

Dr Keenan lived up to the responsibility as stated in the final paragraph above so far as he could. He had made the allegation in good faith and given Professor Wang an opportunity to explain how he had reached his results, an opportunity the Professor had not taken. Keenan maintained confidentiality. In order to cooperate with the investigation, though he would first have to be contacted by it. Dr Keenan waited.

Late in May 2008 a communication arrived from Albany. It said:

After careful review of the evidence and thoughtful deliberation, the Investigation Committee finds no evidence of the alleged fabrication of results and nothing that rises to the level of research misconduct having been committed by DR. Wang.

As the institutional official responsible for this case, I have accepted the Committee’s findings and the Report. You have fourteen (14) calendar days from the date of this letter to provide any comments to add to the report for the record.

Contrary to its own rules, the Committee had not given Keenan the opportunity to “review portions of the inquiry and investigation reports”.

That’s astonishing, but here’s where it becomes Kafkaesque. Keenan was being asked, in this most recent communication, to comment on the report of the Committee. But he was not sent a copy of the report. When he challenged this, he received an email from Adrienne Bonilla explaining that:

[Keenan] did not receive a copy of the Investigation report because the report did not include portions addressing your role and opinions in the investigation phase.

Per the UAlbany Misconduct policy:

VI. E. Investigation Report and Recommendations of the Vice President for Research

“…The Vice President for Research will provide the respondent with a copy of the draft investigation report for comment and rebuttal and will provide the complainant with those portions of the draft report that address the complainant’s role and opinions in the investigation. The respondent and complainant will be given 14 calendar days from the transmission of the report to provide their written comments. Any written responses to the report by either party will be made part of the report and record.

Keenan then wrote to the Vice President for Research at Albany, Lynn Videka, pointing out the various ways in which the University had breached its own policy, stating that its behaviour was consistent with a cover up, and pointing out that Professor Wang has received more than $7 million in grants from a couple of US federal agencies.

In August 2008, Lynn Videka wrote to Keenan enclosing a final copy of a “determination” of the investigation. In her covering note, she stated:

I am notifying you of the case outcome because you were the complainant in this case. The University’s misconduct policies and the Office of Research Integrity regulations preclude discussion of any information pertaining to this case with others who were not directly involved in the investigation.

To summarise, the university initiated an investigation, then broke its own rules by not involving Dr Keenan. It then produced a report that carefully avoided mentioning Dr Keenan, so it could claim he was not entitled to see a copy of this report. It then asked Keenan to comment on the report. It has completely disregarded its own policy that “After the final determination and upon request to the Vice President for Research, the complainant shall be given access to the full documentation.”

But Doug Keenan is a tenacious man. In July 2008, after being refused sight of the report, he submitted a formal complaint (pdf) to the Public Integrity Bureau at the Office of the Attorney General of New York State, alleging criminal fraud. In this complaint, he said:

Wei-Chyung Wang is a professor at the University at Albany, State University of New York. He has been doing research for over 30 years. For this research, Wang has received at least $7 million. The funds have come primarily from the Department of Energy, with additional funding from other federal agencies (DOD, FAA, NSF). I have formally alleged that Wang committed fraud in important parts of his research. My allegation was submitted to the University at Albany; a copy is enclosed.

The university conducted a preliminary inquiry; a copy of the report from the inquiry is enclosed (redacted, by the university). Briefly, Wang claimed that there were some documents that could exonerate him. The inquiry concluded that there should be a full investigation, which should be “charged with obtaining and reviewing any such additional evidence … so that a final resolution may be made regarding the allegation against Dr. Wang”.

Wang had been claiming the existence of such exonerating documents for nearly a year, but he has not been able to produce them. Additionally, there was a report published in 1991 (with a second version in 1997) explicitly stating that no such documents exist. Moreover, the report was published as part of the Department of Energy Carbon Dioxide Research Program, and Wang was the Chief Scientist of that program.

The university conducted an investigation. The investigation concluded that Wang is innocent. I believe that the case against Wang is strong and clear, and that the university is trying to cover up the fraud so as to protect its reputation. Wang is one of the university’s star professors. The conduct of the investigation violated several of the university’s own stated policies: details are given in an attached e-mail (dated 06 June 2008).

The e-mail was sent to Lynn Videka, Vice President for Research at the university: Videka was in charge of overseeing the investigation. Note, in particular, that the documents that Wang was relying on were never produced.

I have only examined a little of Wang’s research; so I do not know the full extent of the fraud. It is difficult to examine more in part because Wang has not willingly made his data available: when asked for the data from the research that I later reported as fraudulent, Wang refused. For that research, though, Wang had a co-worker in Britain. In Britain, the Freedom of Information Act requires that data from publicly-funded research be made available. I was able to get the data by requiring Wang’s co-worker to release it, under British law. It was only then that I was able to confirm that Wang had committed fraud. Details are given in my report to the university (page 4, last paragraph). I would be willing to help examine other research that Wang has done, if more data were made available.

There was another case of research fraud with a professor at the University of Vermont, in 2005. There, Prof. Eric Poehlman was convicted of making false statements on federal grant applications; he was sentenced to a year and a day in prison. Wang has done the same as Poehlman. The fraudulent work described in my report dates from 1990; Wang has been relyingon that work in some of his grant applications since then. As I understand things, each of those applications is a violation of statute. (Additionally, Wang has been using the grants to go on frequent trips to China.)

In October 2008 Dr Keenan was told there could be a wait of several months while his complaint is investigated.

I’ll let you know when there are any further developments.

UPDATE: I didn’t mention this in the main piece above, but I did mail the relevant person at Albany myself, some time ago, asking for news of the investigation against Professor Wang. I received no reply.

However, within a couple of hours of this being posted, someone at Albany came to look at it, from the host aspmini-cc326.cc.albany.edu (169.226.172.35), having apparently been sent an email about it.

So even if they are not communicative about this case, it seems someone at Albany is keeping their eyes open for reports of it.

UPDATE: On reflection, the hit from Albany is also consistent with someone using Google Alerts to monitor coverage of this issue.

UPDATE: Doug Keenan has been told on the telephone that this case is now under review by an attorney at the OAG Public Integrity Bureau.

UPDATE: Also see new findings on the effect of urban warming.

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AnonyMoose
May 4, 2009 9:40 pm

Douglas J. Keenan (13:04:39) : Because the single FOI request failed, perhaps you should file a separate one for the communications between SUNYA and the funding organizations. That way it’s harder for one rejection reason to get spread across unrelated documents. Also, don’t request only the “notifications” of the funding organizations because then you might only capture the initial notice — request all communications between SUNYA and the funding organizations which are related to the investigation. I’m intentionally using the general term “funding organizations” because the SUNY Research Foundation might be involved, and we might have missed other relevant organizations. But I’d have to reread the FOIA rules as to how specific the phrasing should be.

May 4, 2009 9:48 pm

Paul Vaughan (20:41:27) :
“You won’t tell me what it is we are supposed to disagree on or what your misunderstanding was […]“
For the record: I disagree with the above statement.

Actions are bigger than words, and you haven’t told me yet, but, as we agree: case closed. [meaning that I’ll never know 🙁 ]

anna v
May 4, 2009 10:09 pm

Douglas J. Keenan (14:18:46) :
anna v, I had been assuming that the journal system was the primary force for corruption. It used to be that researchers were respected for their research; nowadays, though, it is not What you publish, it is Where you publish that matters most.
In the paragraph above, it is the verb “matters” that is the clue. What defines the values that make things matter?
Unfortunately, my observation is that our society has come to define more and more money as the most desirable objective that matters in the planning of a life. Follow the money.
This has not always been so. Humans in aggregate in other times have put other values far ahead ( with of course exceptions) even of life itself. God, Country, Honor, Status, and many more that a sociologist could analyze much better. Think of the large monastic and ecclesiastic orders. What mattered most?
In a sense, my generation of physicists that worked at CERN was lucky, because it offered almost a monastic prototype where what mattered most was the experiment and the next brilliant exposition ( there were exceptions too of course). Money was a means to becoming a group leader not a target per se. The carrot and the stick were the appreciation or not of one’s peers. We were also lucky because publications, though necessary, became meaningless when the coauthors are 300 and in the future experiments will be 2000 ( I have signed such a proposal 🙂 ). What was important ( I cannot speak for the present) was the real peer review in the conferences and the lectures and the huge group meetings where one had to push one’s specific publication. That was how one advanced, by the acknowledgment of one’s peers.
The above is an idealized picture, but that such an ideal existed, as the idea of a religion or an ethic, was a compass that kept the science on target.
Now why do I say that it is the money that is driving publication fury:
As a small satellite group from Athens, with relatively small funding, we had to work hard on the experiments and compete fiercely to get the respect and attention of the group we belonged to each time. We had to fight within our institution for resources which came each year with the budget from the government. An almost Nobel winner of greek ancestry had convinced back in 1965 the government to put a relatively large amount of money on the budget for our group and we managed with that until 1981, because it is hard to remove writings on the wall by governments.
Then the EU came, and a change in government and directorship mentality in our institute, where the new director decided he would use the HEP budget for the microelectronics department, since it was connected with industry. That was the insidious way the whole research effort has been corrupted in the EU. connection with industry. We had to start finding industrial partners to put in proposals, many of them fake for which the industry got money for doing very little and things deteriorated further and further, as grants started becoming centralized from the EU. Publications come in because one has to give a long list to compete for the funds.
So, from my experience it is the funding that creates the publication problems.
If the funding decouples from the central bureaucracy, there is a chance that in the day to day workings of an institute real peer evaluation of colleagues, even in different disciplines, will be restored to the real contributions and not the contrived ones to which the institutes themselves collaborate and wink so that they get a share of the money.
Money is the root of all evil. 🙂
I will e-mail you
anna

May 4, 2009 10:15 pm

anna v (22:09:20) :
Money is the root of all evil. 🙂
Especially if you don’t have any…

May 4, 2009 10:16 pm

anna v (22:09:20) :
Money is the root of all evil. 🙂
Especially if you don’t have any…

anna v
May 4, 2009 11:10 pm

Douglas J. Keenan (14:18:46) :
Other people have suggested that all data should be made available when a paper is published. But competitive pressures make that difficult: the first journals that imposed such strict rules would lose some good papers to their competitors; so no journal wants to make the first move.
It is also a problem if more than one paper can come from the data. In my high energy field all the data of the experiments are on huge files accessible to members of the group, but not to outsiders, since all papers ( over 200 in one case) come from the same data analyzed for different factors.

anna v
May 5, 2009 2:14 am

And pondering the moral vice in which scientists, even dedicated ones, find themselves with respect to funding, I was reminded of a poem by our modern greek poet Cavafy, which talks about a philosopher who went to the Persian court tempted by its riches:
Satrapy
What a disaster, while you were fashioned
for beautiful and grand creations
that this unfair fortune of yours always
withholds you encouragement and success;
that cheap habits hinder you,
and small mindedness and indifference.
And how horrible the day you give in
( the day you let go and give in)
and you start on foot to Soussa
and you go to the monarch Artaxerxes
who accepts you with favour in his court,
and offers you satrapies, and such.
And you accept with despair
these things that you do not want.
For other stuff your soul longs, and weeps for other;
for the praise of the Demos and the Sophists
for the difficult and priceless Brava,
the Agora and the Theatre, and the Wreathes.
How can Artaxerxes give you these,
how can you find these in a satrapy;
and what a life will you lead without them.
—————————–
Note: Satrap-a ruler of a region in the Persian system

AnonyMoose
May 5, 2009 8:18 am

It is also a problem if more than one paper can come from the data. In my high energy field all the data of the experiments are on huge files accessible to members of the group, but not to outsiders, since all papers ( over 200 in one case) come from the same data analyzed for different factors.

The possibility of outsiders analyzing your data at little expense to you is a problem?
More knowledge is a problem?

May 5, 2009 9:38 am

Pragmatic (13:49:56) : A fascinating and much needed dialog. At this forum continues the work needed to restore a semblance of integrity to greatly maligned science.
I agree wholeheartedly. I also applaud all your quotes from Douglas J. Keenan (12:55:37) : UK Sceptic (16:12:17) : Mike Lorrey (19:16:35) : Paul Vaughan (19:59:20) : Mike Lorrey (19:16:35) and Caleb (23:34:36).
On discovery of a purse snatcher, petty thief, Peeping Tom or Ponzi schemer – a citizen who demands investigation is heralded a hero. We embrace their integrity and good will. Shine a similar light on a government funded research project fraught with questionable methodology – you become anathema. Reminds me of Dom Helder Camera: “When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist”.
Douglas J. Keenan (14:18:46): Other people have suggested that all data should be made available when a paper is published. But competitive pressures make that difficult: the first journals that imposed such strict rules would lose some good papers to their competitors; so no journal wants to make the first move. All the more reason to build up public pressure to make compulsory upon publication, the full public release of both data and methodology, in the case of research having crucial impact on political decisions and public awareness. Also, letters critical of challenging material should always be published back-to-back with authors’ response – as did not happen with Veizer, Monckton, Svensmark, and others.
Seems kinda obvious.
Thank you Douglas and Anthony for carrying these blazing torches into the public domain with such good faith that there are good people somewhere.

anna v
May 5, 2009 9:49 am

AnonyMoose (08:18:23) :
anna: It is also a problem if more than one paper can come from the data. In my high energy field all the data of the experiments are on huge files accessible to members of the group, but not to outsiders, since all papers ( over 200 in one case) come from the same data analyzed for different factors.
AnonyMoose:The possibility of outsiders analyzing your data at little expense to you is a problem?

Yes. The expense is not little, it is great, and not just in money, but also in dedication and sweat. In my last experiment about 200 people spent ten years of their life building the apparatus and software, and another ten years taking data with this apparatus while analyzing it in parallel.
Your question in another context could be: somebody spent twenty year building a house. Should anybody be allowed to live in it if he/she wants to?
The effective slogan seems to be: no sweat, no data. The whole reason of putting in all that hard work is so as to get hands first on the data. Otherwise why bother?
More knowledge is a problem?
And here we come to the second level of defense of this position as “it is not easy to use the data unless you have worked with the experimental apparatus for a while”. The answer is “what kind of knowledge”.
Do not get me wrong, it was not hard to become member of an experiment if you wanted to analyse the data and if you were willing to spend the time on the esoterica. Any results though would be published under the full author list of the experiment.

Boris
May 5, 2009 10:40 am

Yet another case of [snip] harassing scientists because they don’t like the results. Keenan demanded an investigation and got one. He lost because he has zero evidence. Sorry, Keenan, you don’t get to have your witch hunt on full display. Go back to reading Newsbusters.

Vladimir
May 5, 2009 2:39 pm

Climate scientists do not need to follow normal rules of data archiving and accountability it seems. If a climate scientist lies on his grants, and uses grant money for personal travel, no problem. A privileged breed. They are saving the planet from a fate worse than death. We all must make allowances. U at Albany staffers know this, so they cover up for the poor sod. As it should be.

May 5, 2009 2:44 pm

Leif Svalgaard (22:16:25) :
anna v (22:09:20) :
Money is the root of all evil. 🙂
Especially if you don’t have any…
Especially if you have many
and I don’t have any…

May 5, 2009 4:47 pm

vukcevic (14:44:53) :
“”Money is the root of all evil. :)””
“Especially if you don’t have any…”
Especially if you have many
and I don’t have any…

In such situations the evildoer is often the guy with the lesser amount, trying to pry some loose from the guy with the larger amount…

fred
May 5, 2009 5:18 pm

“In such situations the evildoer is often the guy with the lesser amount, trying to pry some loose from the guy with the larger amount…”
And without the Huns and Mongols pushing from the east Europe would never have evolved the way it did. Bingo! Paradise! But then, if the guys with less had just been content we might still be chimpanzees – paradise?
Evildoers? Every tree has branches, every branch has twigs.

fred
May 5, 2009 5:25 pm

To Anna V. 9:47:49
Excuse me, but was all that sweat paid work? Who paid for it?
We all sweat. It ain’t your data unless you paid for it.

DaveE
May 5, 2009 5:26 pm

‘AnonyMoose (08:18:23) :
It is also a problem if more than one paper can come from the data. In my high energy field all the data of the experiments are on huge files accessible to members of the group, but not to outsiders, since all papers ( over 200 in one case) come from the same data analyzed for different factors.
The possibility of outsiders analyzing your data at little expense to you is a problem?
More knowledge is a problem?’
anna v already answered this but I counter…
The scientists involved have a head start in analysis of data, their 200 papers would be unlikely to have been impeded unless either their analyses were faulty or their work too slow.
DaveE.

a jones
May 5, 2009 5:36 pm

NO
It is the love of money that is the root of all evil.
And if anyone wants to check my family bible is the authorised version printed London 1613, in the US usually called the King James, and although a little worn and rebound by a vandal some one hundred and fifty years ago is still complete and legible although to modern eyes some of the spelling/characters are a little odd.
Unfortunately the same vandal rather did for the beautiful coloured endpapers which denote the calendar etc. It is a She bible and despite his efforts and those of other so called restorers I believe there are only some 150 complete copies of this version known to be extant today.
I prize it much.
Kindest Regards

May 5, 2009 5:37 pm

I understand the problem of using data for multiple papers.
However, if the public paid for the generation of that data, the data belongs to the public, at least the specific data used to generate the final research study paid for by the grant.
If a researcher doesn’t like that arrangement, let him find private funds for his research.

Paul Vaughan
May 5, 2009 5:47 pm

Re: anna v (09:49:47)
Thank you for sharing your experience – much appreciated.

anna v: “[…] about 200 people spent ten years of their life building the apparatus and software, and another ten years taking data with this apparatus […]”
“The whole reason of putting in all that hard work is so as to get hands first on the data. Otherwise why bother?”


Perhaps a very substantial amount of funding should be linked to (such) data collection, since data collection is clearly of fundamental importance in research – and in the (high) interest of the sustainable defense of civilization, we should find some financially fair way to share data so that more minds can be on problems that concern us all (without incurring costly delays).

anna v: “[…]“it is not easy to use the data unless you have worked with the experimental apparatus for a while” […] “what kind of knowledge”.”

I can attest to the veracity and fundamental importance of statements of this nature. I spent a number of years engaged in a variety of ecological field work and related analyses. In some ecological field work, data collection rarely goes ‘by-the-book’. At times the norm is a lot more log notes than data (i.e. very detailed notes about quality, uncertainties, etc.) and I can assure you that the sampling is not always representative. A person assuming the cleaned-data later-analyzed is 100% accurate could not possibly draw sensible conclusions – at least not without making heavy, emphatic, appropriate use of qualifiers &/or blanket statements.
Still, my preference is that (just about) everything make it through to the literature, including negative results, so that I can see what hard-working people tried and make my own judgements about any value &/or truth in their work.
The problem remains that we don’t have enough workers on the job. People want the research done right, but a lot of people don’t want to pay what it takes to do it right. As a result, sketchiness creeps into the system via survival instinct.
There are no simple solutions, but I agree that diversity is a key to survival. A central nervous system & vital organs clearly play a critical role, but overly-centralized systems get a body into serious mobility problems. The health of the whole body is the way to avoid an undermined future as we move towards a knowledge society. Bet-hedging looks as sensible as ever.
Lack of data-access is a limiting factor in the sustainable defense of civilization.
Data should be published as soon as possible – raw, with unedited log notes.
(Any ‘adjustments’ can be published later.)
Those who collect valuable data should be commensurately compensated.
We need more competition to promote efficient knowledge-gathering. In the absence of scarce research resources, we can avert some of the sketchiness & protectionism. If we are going to sustainably defend civilization, we are going to need to increase research resources by orders of magnitude – in part to quell the crippling in-fighting in the presently-starved research system.
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anna v (22:09:20) “Unfortunately, my observation is that our society has come to define more and more money as the most desirable objective that matters in the planning of a life.”

It is not sustainable.
Our civilization would be at very serious risk (down the road) were it not for the important corrective actions currently underway.
It is encouraging to see the focus rising above sleazy short-sightedness.
Now if we could just get the politicians to have a clue about climate ….

anna v
May 5, 2009 9:32 pm

a related fraud:
http://www.furiousseasons.com/archives/2009/05/merck_creates_fake_academic_medical_journal.html
“The Scientist has reported that, yes, it’s true, Merck cooked up a phony, but real sounding, peer reviewed journal and published favorably looking data for its products in them. Merck paid Elsevier to publish such a tome, which neither appears in MEDLINE or has a website, according to The Scientist.
“What’s wrong with this is so obvious it doesn’t have to be argued for. What’s sad is that I’m sure many a primary care physician was given literature from Merck that said, ‘As published in Australasian Journal of Bone and Joint Medicine, Fosamax outperforms all other medications….’ Said doctor, or even the average researcher wouldn’t know that the journal is bogus. In fact, knowing that the journal is published by Elsevier gives it credibility!”
It offers in the comments the following:
That these “physician” researchers haven’t founded a journal paper archive like arXiv.org is telling.
arXiv is all about presenting results directly to other researchers, typically at least a year before journal publication, if not more. It’s mathematicians, physics experts and other technical ephemera there. And pure honesty.

Maybe this is one of the ways to be emphasized, no paper published unless on the arxiv for a year.
fred (17:25:57) :
To Anna V. 9:47:49
Excuse me, but was all that sweat paid work? Who paid for it?
We all sweat. It ain’t your data unless you paid for it.

Now on “who pays for the research”. The donors for research in the years before the big government intrusion were that: patrons and donors of the universities. They did not claim the data as theirs, just an acknowledgement from the universities to which they donated. Actually the research coming out was a by product of the education mill. Professors were payed to be educators, which they efficiently fulfilled. Experiments were a by product at the time, and nobody claimed the results were not in the possession of the researcher. Later universities acquired patent rights if any.
Is the suggestion that the government/collective-public has now become the ultimate feudal lord with rights over thoughts and actions? Droit du segnieur?
DaveE (17:26:31) :
The scientists involved have a head start in analysis of data, their 200 papers would be unlikely to have been impeded unless either their analyses were faulty or their work too slow.
We are talking of the subculture of high energy physics, and I do not know whether this can be generalized, though I suspect so. One has to enter into the sociology of why one becomes a high energy specialist in physics. What follows is my opinion.
Scientists are drawn to particle physics because of the challenge of the “Theory of Everything”, the holy grail. That means that a high proportion are theoretically inclined, equations lagrangians and such. But the hands on experiments require a great number of able and intelligent and highly motivated scientists putting on the back burner their desire for the theory of everything for a postdoc and the possibility of getting the data. This works on the ant hive principle incredibly well, as long as the end motivation is high. If it comes about that because of freedom for data for all, the smart Aleck graduate student who went full for theory can get his hands on the data as soon or even faster in this computer age as the hard working ant, the whole field will collapse. No ants will be found, as simple as that.
All ready there is the problem in the community of the huge authorship and who does really what . In the Higgs discovery(or not) paper there will be over 2000 authors. If not all, certainly half of them could have written it by themselves alone, i.e. could analyze the data and get the correct results, and actually many do. They all have worked for their data.
If the incentive of cornering the data produced is removed, the whole thing will collapse.

anna v
May 5, 2009 10:27 pm

Continuing the above:
In order to solve the integrity of the data and conclusions problem, i.e. if the output of the hard work of the particular ant hive is correct data, the “world” community has gone for replication of experiments, i.e. new data gathering. That is why there exist numerous accelerator centers the world round. Because data may be compromised not only intentionally, but unintentionally by unfor seen experimental error. Even within CERN there were three large experiments for LEP gathering the same information, and there are now two large ones for the LHC, to hedge for the unforseen.
That is, the high energy community requires replication of results, not open data, possibly because they trust the integrity of the researchers but not their infallibility or performance of the apparatuses. New independent experiments.
Actually this is the norm in physics. Cold fusion was refuted by new experiments, not by digging into the old data.
It is only in disciplines where experiments cannot be performed that a problem arises.
In the climate science this would be what Anthony with the surface program is doing, gathering the data from the source once more, since one cannot have many earths to repeat the weather/climate.

anna v
May 5, 2009 10:36 pm

sorry, that was four large experiments at LEP :
ALEPH DELPHI L3 OPAL , http://greybook.cern.ch/

Paul Vaughan
May 6, 2009 1:16 am

Re: anna v (21:32:24)
Your patient efforts towards interdisciplinary understanding are much appreciated – thank you.

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