From the Catlin web site today –
Hypothermia Posted by Gaby Dean
Monday, 06 Apr 2009 15:58
In disadvantaged inner cities it’s known in medical circles as Urban Hypothermia. GPs adopted the term after seeing an increase, during winter, of elderly patients who have switched off their heating, fearful of the cost, and become ill as a result because of the cold.
Chronic, as opposed to acute, hypothermia is the official term.
The Catlin Arctic Survey Team have now been working in temperatures of below -40 degrees centigrade for more than 30 days. When the three (Pen Hadow, Ann Daniels and Martin Hartley) leave messages on the TVM – a machine that records the messages they phone into London HQ – their voices often sound slurred and they occasionally muddle their words.
Extreme cold affects the senses and everyday skills we usually take for granted, like speaking. According to CAS medical adviser Doc Martin, the team are constantly battling chronic hypothermia, which was to be expected. (Pen Hadow has described it as an ‘occupational hazard’).
“Chronic hypothermia affects people who are under-nourished, physically and mentally tired and not sleeping well”, says Doc. “You can see the connection between vulnerable elderly people and the physical and mental condition that Pen, Ann and Martin are in”.
Weather
 -35°C |
Perhaps they are preparing to come home? They are 15 km further from the pole today (722.28 km) than they were yesterday (707.83 km) and according to satellite data, temperatures have been running below normal for the last two and a half months.
And from the NSIDC web site today – It was a warm winter in the Arctic. No doubt the Catlin crew will be relieved to hear that.
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Pull them out before they die. This type of stupidity for nothing, is just window dressing the fact that this whole adventure was founded on misdirection if not utter lies. Now we are to watch two martyers for the Religion of Global warming die for shaman science?
Gee that makes sense.
I was referring to the URL http://www.hidalgo.co.uk/ I found in their web pages for the manufacturer.
Larry
I finely found the link I used it is the Hildago name on the sponsors page:
http://www.catlinarcticsurvey.com/sponsors
Larry
Having discussed this and found out more the data is real data from the 3 individuals on the ice, but as the site clearly says is not ‘live’ as larry and hotrod suggest but ‘operational’- ie. has been taken during this survey .
I watched more than 90 minutes of data from the site.
Aside from the first few minutes of data from Pen (with low core temperatures) which I am assuming is still showing the core pill in transit to the stomach (since the temperature is consistently rising), the data is clean and it is pretty amazing that we are able to see data collected from such environments.
Karl, after the initial transit of the pill, the core plateaus and amazingly shows the body maintaining temps around 37 for all 3 of them. Skin temperature is known to vary a lot, and is largely, by itself, an unreliable measure for assessing core body temperature and would never be expected to be as consistent a vital as core tmeperature. Core temperature is also a difficult measure to monitor continuously in a moving individual- but this data looks pretty good.
What would be interesting at this time (as we aren’t able to see all the data collected on vitals to date) is to see trends of core temperatures (in particular) through the expedition so far and some of the more recent data collected. And yes it would be amazing to plot this if possible against the sleep cycle if that is available.
So this is not deceit from what I can tell, but simply a group of people trying to carry out an expedition for a subject they, and many others are passionate about.
I cannot comment on the scientific merits of the collection of ice thickness data, but I think at least for their attempts they deserve credit.
>>Just think, on April 25, 2008 (yes 2008) New Scientist predicted
>>the north pole could be ice free by the summer of 2008. I wonder
>>what they were smoking
New Scientist is the media wing of GreenPeace. I have tried to get them to print articles on the variability of windpower, and why population increase is the greatest threat to the environment, and they have refused point blank. According to New Scientist editors, intermittent electrical supplies are not a problem for a technical society.
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[snip – off color, off topic]
For those interested, I found the pukeworthy New Scientist link. It’s from 2007, unbelievably, but still has a great hockey stick graph, complete with “peer-reviewed” references. Peers for fears.
Only two years on, but it looks like a really bad 1970s haircut.
ooops, and the link:
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11644
While you are considering the problem of reporting a continuous loop of old data as though it were live, think about the other reports made by this group. We have alarming reports of hypothermia, frostbite, difficulties to resupply, psychological troubles and other difficulties. Each of which, taken alone and considering the harsh and unforgiving conditions is life threatening. Yet the support team advisors who write the little story lines about these difficulties merrily point out the tragic conditions without ever acknowledging the extreme danger. Either everyone involved is drinking a special kool aid that deadens their professional sense of responsibility and even liability, or the troubles are exaggerated or even cooked up from beginning to end. Why don’t we see a photo, for example, of that frost bitten toe? After all, it belongs to a photographer. We were treated to a picture of some generic frost bitten toe.
If you go back to a post by the team doctor early in the drama, he talked about the way the body compensates for heat deficit by shutting down blood flow to the extremities. Here’s his quote:
The fact that the Team can’t now feel their fingers and toes demonstrates not only just how extreme the cold is ( -34ºC… just try to imagine! your freezer at home is –18º or so) but also the amazing lengths the body will go to survive.
In future articles, we’ll have a look at what happens if the body’s mechanisms begin to fail – hypothermia and frostbite
Thus he predicted the game plan to heighten interest in the project by reporting hypothermia and frostbite. Any responsible medical advisor would have, upon the first signs of either of these conditions, pulled his patients out of the cold. This doctor is either totally irresponsible, or he knows this is just a charade.
Who thinks it’s sensible to have people enjoying frostbite and chronic hypothermia wandering around near the north pole making critical decisions about how to avoid and traverse ice that is constantly opening and shifting? No one, that’s who. So the physical troubles these people are encountering are wildly exaggerated for the publicity. Trust nothing about the reports of this adventure.
I am sitting snugly in my heated home in New Hampshire after a winter of snow and ice and cold outside while the tv experts kept telling me it was warmer than ever outside.
I’ve worked in -40 weather before. Using the right equipment is essential to life or deaths. Sounds to me like they accepted some junk from some treehugging corp sponsor. They also needed some survival training. A couple weeks at the USAF survival school would have done wonders, albeit hurt their street cred with their constituency.
While I would like to hope they come off the ice alive and in one piece, frankly given the damage they and their kind are doing for the sake of an agenda, I don’t.
These three stooges are puppets in a global warming scam that will make fat Al Gore and his elitist cronies richer and the rest of us poorer.
This is a trek for a socialist feudal world which will only come about by forcing us all to reduce our standard of living to something like they have in Cuba only without the nice warm beaches.
No one fully understands climate and to mess with things you we know little about is to court disaster. Such as Obama’s latest lunacy about shooting pollution particles into the upper atmosphere to reflect sunlight to cool the planet even more. What if that backfires? What then? What an arrogant idea!
If this planet warmed up some, we would all prosper. Too bad it’s now in a cooling phase with idiots in charge who grope with half baked ideas and over-taxations schemes to bilk Joe Public.
The facts no longer support the global warming “THEORY”.
on the one hand you have Amundson, on the other Scott…Amundsen…Scott…Amundsen…Scott…One didn’t die…One became so very famous…Sad.
I commented about this early on in another thread. Why is it that the guy who failed, badly, is a hero because he died, and took the best part of his team with him. But the guy who repeatedly succeeded is just a notation in the history books. Amundsen was THE man.