Mt. Redoubt Eruptions – What Effect If Any on the Summer? Winter?

By Joe D’Aleo CCM ICECAP
Monday, April 6, 2009

Starting on March 22, a series of major eruptions have taken place from Mt. Redoubt in Alaska. The biggest exceeded 65,000 feet in height. More than a dozen eruptions as high as 60,000 have followed the first week alone. Activity may continue for weeks or months based on the volcano’s history.

Mt. Redoubt March 26, 2009

Climatologists may disagree on how much the recent global warming is natural or manmade but there is general agreement that volcanism constitutes a wildcard in climate, producing significant global scale cooling for at least a few years following a major eruption. However, there are some interesting seasonal and regional variations of the effects.

Oman et al (2005) and others have shown that though major volcanic eruptions seem to have their greatest cooling effect in the summer months, the location of the volcano determines whether the winters are colder or warmer over large parts of North America and Eurasia.

According to their modeling, tropical region volcanoes like El Chichon and Pinatubo actually produce a warming in winter due to a tendency for a more positive North Atlantic Oscillation (NAO) and Arctic Oscillation (AO). In the positive phase of these large scale pressure oscillations, low pressure and cold air is trapped in high latitudes and the resulting more westerly jet stream winds drives milder maritime air into the continents.

Oman found high latitude volcanoes like Katmai (Alaska in 1912) instead favored the negative phase of the Arctic and North Atlantic Oscillations and cold winters. In the negative phase, the jet stream winds buckled and forced cold air south from Canada into the eastern United States and west from Siberia into Europe. They also favored a cooling of middle and higher latitudes the year round of that atmosphere and a weakening of the summer monsoon in India and Africa.

Here is the abstract of that paper:

“Strong volcanic eruptions can inject large amounts of SO2 into the lower stratosphere, which over time, are converted into sulfate aerosols and have the potential to impact climate. Aerosols from tropical volcanic eruptions like the 1991 Mount Pinatubo eruption spread over the entire globe, whereas high-latitude eruptions typically have aerosols which remain in the hemisphere in which they where injected. This causes their largest radiative forcing to be extratropical, and the climate response should be different from that of tropical eruptions.

We conducted a 20-member ensemble simulation of the climate response to the Katmai eruption (58N) of 6 June 1912 using the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies ModelE climate model. We also produced an additional 20-member ensemble for a 3 times Katmai (3x Katmai) eruption to see the impact the strength of the eruption has on the radiative as well as the dynamical responses.

The results of these simulations do not show a positive Arctic Oscillation response like past simulations of tropical volcanic eruptions, but we did find significant cooling over southern Asia during the boreal winter.

The first winter following Katmai and the second winter following 3x Katmai showed strong similarities in lower stratospheric geopotential height anomalies and sea level pressure anomalies, which occurred when the two cases had similar optical depth perturbations. These simulations show that the radiative impact of a high-latitude volcanic eruption was much larger than the dynamical impact at high latitudes. In the

boreal summer, however, strong cooling over the Northern Hemisphere landmasses caused a decrease in the Asian monsoon circulation with significant decreases of up to 10% in cloud cover and warming over northern India. Thus the main dynamical impact of high latitude eruptions is in the summer over Asia.”

Lets look at volcanic activity in Alaska, Iceland and Kamchatka in eastern Russia.

ALASKA AND KAMCHATKA VOLCANO MAP

Intreractive map here. Red over Alaska is Redoubt, yellow on Aleutians is Mt Cleveland.

MT. REDOUBT

Mount Redoubt has erupted five times since 1900: in 1902, 1922, 1966, 1989 and 2009. The eruption in 1989 spewed volcanic ash to a height of 14,000 m (45,000 ft) and managed to catch KLM Royal Dutch Airlines flight 867, a Boeing 747 aircraft, in its plume (the flight landed safely at Anchorage).

The 1989 eruption is also notable for being the first ever volcanic eruption to be successfully predictedby the method of long-period seismic events developed by Swiss/American volcanologist Bernard Chouet.

An aerial view of Redoubt Volcano looking north on December 18, 1989 showing a low-level eruption of steam and ash. Photograph by W. White, U.S. Geological Survey

Mt. Redoubt April 21, 1990. Photograph by R. Clucas.

MT. CLEVELAND

On Monday, February 19, 2001, Cleveland volcano in the east central Aleutians erupted explosively sending ash to 35,000 feet. The explosive event lasted less than one day.

Historical eruptions at Mt. Cleveland have been characterized by short-lived explosive bursts of ash, at times accompanied by lava fountaining, lava flows, and debris flows down the flanks. On May 25, 1994 sent a short-lived ash plume to about 10.5 km (35,000 ft) altitude (photo above and below).

MT. SPURR

Crater Peak, the active vent of Mount Spurr, Alaska, on 26 September 1992 erupted in June, August, and September 1992. Ash from the August eruption closed Anchorage International Airport. Photo is from June 27, 1992.

Mt. Spurr is a stratovolcanoin Alaska. It is composed mostly of andesite. The Spurr volcanic complexwas built on the remains of an older volcano. The present Mt. Spurr grew in the center of the old caldera. The original volcano was an andesitic stratovolcano. It is about 12 miles (19 km) around. Snow and ice cover the north side. The caldera is breached to the south. It contains an ice field which feeds glaciers in all directions.

A dome grew in the center of the old volcano’s caldera to form the present Spurr. This volcano is mostly covered with ice. The exposed ground around the volcano has fumaroleswhich are near the boiling point. A small summit crater sometimes melts some of the ice on the volcano. Fumarole activity from this crater was the only activity before 1953. A second cone called Crater Peak grew in the breach of the older volcano. This was the sight of a major ash eruption on July 9, 1953. The most recent eruption of Spurr was in 1992.

MT AUGUSTINE

Historic eruptions were recorded in 1812, 1883, 1935, 1963-64, 1976, and 1986. Augustine’s eruptions tend to be highly explosive and tend to spread ash across the Cook Inlet region.

KATMAI/NOVARUPTA

The largest eruption in the world last century (VEI=6) occurred in 1912 at Novarupta on the Alaska Peninsula. An estimated 15 to 30 cubic kilometers of magma was explosively erupted during 60 hours beginning on June 6 — about 30 to 60 times the volume erupted by Mount St. Helens in 1980! The expulsion of such a large volume of magma excavated a funnel-shaped vent 2 kilometers wide and triggered the collapse of Mount Katmai volcano. Katmai was once a cluster of 3 or 4 small volcanoes. Pyroclastic flows traveled as far as 15 miles (23 km) and filled a valley adjacent to the volcano to produce the Valley of Ten Thousand Smokes. The withdrawal of magma from beneath the cluster of small volcanoes at Katmai caused the area to collapse and produce a caldera. A lake has filled part of the caldera.

“The magnitude of the eruption can perhaps be best realized if one could imagine a similar outburst centered in New York City. All of Greater New York would be buried under from ten to fifteen feet of ash; Philadelphia would be covered by a foot of gray ash and would be in total darkness for sixty hours; Washington and Buffalo would receive a quarter of an inch of ash, with a shorter period of darkness. The sound of the explosion would be heard in Atlanta and St. Louis, and the fumes noticed as far away as Denver, San Antonio, and Jamaica.” (Robert F. Griggs, National Geographic Magazine, 1917, v. 81 no. 1, p. 50)

Katmai from the summit of Griggs. Katmai is in the middle and to the right. Photo by Jay Robinson, National Park Service.

Novarupta is a pumice-filled depression that was the vent for the 1912 eruption. A rhyolitedome extruded into the vent after the eruption. The dome is 1,300 feet ( 400 m) in diameter and about 210 feet (65 m) high. Photo by Jay Robinson, National Park Service.

MT. VENIAMINOF

Veniaminof is a large stratovolcanothat suffered a huge caldera-forming eruption about 3,700 years ago. The caldera is almost 6 miles (10 km) across and filled with ice and snow. All the recent eruptions have taken place from a cinder conethat pokes up through the ice in the caldera. Both the 1983-84 and June 1993 eruption have consisted of fountaining at this cinder cone. Additionally, lava flowsflow down the sides of the cone and onto the ice surface where they then melt their way down through to the bottom of the caldera and then a lake forms. This photo shows active lava flows on January 23, 1984. Flows from November 1983 are covered with snow. Photo courtesy of U.S. Geological Survey.

There are very few people who live nearby so the danger to humans is pretty small. One of the things they worry about is called a jokulhlaup. This is an unpronounceable Icelandic word. A jokulhlaup happens when an eruption occurs under a thick ice sheet. The eruption will often melt the bottom of the glacier. If the eruption keeps on long enough pretty soon the glacier will float up on its own melted water (ice floats). As soon as this happens all that melted water can escape out from under the glacier and you get a big flood. This happens pretty often in Iceland, and it is a possibility at Veniaminof.

Eruption of Veniaminof on January 23, 1984. From front cover of USGS in Alaska:

ICELAND VOLCANOS

LAKI

Laki, volcano, 2,684 ft (818 m) high, S Iceland, at SW edge of the Vatnajökull glacier. Its eruption in 1783 was one of the more devastating on record, leading to the deaths of a quarter of Iceland’s inhabitants (mainly due to a famine that resulted from the eruption’s effects). Haze from the eruption spread over parts of Europe, where some experts believe it affected the inhabitants’ health. Surrounding the crater are the Lakagígar series of 100 volcanic rifts.

Map of the Laki fissures and lava flows. The Eldgja fissures and flows are also shown. Map simplified from Thordarson and others.

Lakagigar (also called Skaftar) was the vent for the 1783-1784 eruption of Grimsvotn caldera. It was the second largest basaltic fissure eruption in historic time (after the ~935 eruption of nearby Eldgja) and caused notable atmospheric cooling and effects.Additional vents of Grimsvotn were active from May 1783 to May 1785.

The eruption began on June 8, 1783 and lasted eight months. Ten fissures make up the vent complex. The fissures are arranged in an en echelon pattern that extends for a length of 27 km. Each fissure is covered by a continuous row of scoria cones, spatter cones, and tuff cones. The cones range in heights from 40m to 70 m.

Only 2.6% of the material erupted was tephra but ash fall extended all the way to mainland Europe. Map from Thordarson and Self (1993).

Laki is also known for its atmospheric effects. The convective eruption column of Laki carried gases to altitudes of 15 km (10 miles). These gases formed aerosols that caused cooling in the Northern Hemisphere, possibly by as much as 1 degree C. This cooling is the largest such volcanic-induced event in historic time. In Iceland, the haze lead to the loss of most of the islands livestock (by eating fluorine contaminated grass), crop failure (by acid rain) and the death of 9,000 people, one-quarter of the human residents (by famine).

This event is rated as VEI6 on the Volcanic Explosivity Index, but the eight month emission of sulfuric aerosols resulted in one of the most important climatic and socially repercussive events of the last millennium.

In Great Britain, the summer of 1783 was known as the “sand-summer” due to ash fallout. The eruption continued until 7 February 1784. Grímsvötn volcano, from which the Laki fissure extends, was also erupting at the time from 1783 until 1785. The outpouring of gases, including an estimated 8 million tons of fluorineand estimated 120 million tons of sulfur dioxide gave rise to what has since become known as the “Laki haze” across Europe. This was the equivalent of three times the total annual European industrial output in 2006, and also equivalent to a Mount Pinatubo-1991 eruption every three days. This outpouring of sulfur dioxide during unusual weather conditions caused a thick haze to spread across western Europe, resulting in many thousands of deaths throughout 1783 and the winter of 1784.

The poisonous cloud drifted to Bergenin Norway, then spread to Praguein the Province of Bohemiaby 17 June, Berlinby 18 June, Parisby 20 June, Le Havreby 22 June, and to Great Britainby 23 June. The fog was so thick that boats stayed in port, unable to navigate, and the sun was described as “blood coloured”

This disruption then led to a most severe winter in 1784, where an estimated to have caused 8,000 additional deaths in the UK. In the spring thaw, Germany and Central Europe then reported severe flood damage.

In North America, the winter of 1784 was the longest and one of the coldest on record. It was the longest period of below-zero temperatures in New England, the largest accumulation of snow in New Jersey, and the longest freezing over of Chesapeake Bay. There was ice skating in Charleston Harbor, a huge snowstorm hit the south, the Mississippi Riverfroze at New Orleans, and there was ice in the Gulf of Mexico.

GRÍMSVÖTN

Grímsvötn is a central volcanoin the Grímsvötn volcanic system of Iceland. This system is about 62 miles (100 km) long and ~9 miles (15 km) wide. It is mostly covered with ice named Vatnajokull. The total volume of lava erupted from the Grimsvotn system is about 50-55 cubic km. Only about 19 cubic km of this lava is not covered by the ice. The system rises to the northeast from about 1000 ft (300 m) above sea level in the southwest. It reaches its tallest point at Grímsvötn volcano. This volcano has a 35 sq km caldera. A high temperature hydrothermal area is located in this caldera. Grímsvötn has erupted 45 times. The last major eruption of the volcano was in 1996 (shown in photo below).

HEKLA

Hekla is the most active volcano in Iceland with eruption events numbering from as low as 15 major eruptions to the huge number of 167 since 1104, the most recent being in 1991.

On 26 February, 2000 Iceland’s most famous volcano, Mt. Hekla, began erupting at 1819 GMT. A 6-7 km long fissure appeared and a steam column rose nearly 15 km (45,000 feet) into the sky. A discontinuous curtain of fire emanated from the entire fissure. The lava flowed down the slopes of Hekla and covered a large part of the Hekla ridge. Most of the ash fell in uninhabited areas in the interior of Iceland. The eruption reached its peak intensity in the first hour of the activity. Icelanders in the Middle Ages called the volcano the “Gateway to Hell.”

KAMCHATKA VOLCANOS

BEZYMIANNY

A steaming lava dome fills much of the large horseshoe-shaped crater cutting the ESE side of Bezymianny volcano in this late-1980’s view from the SE. The crater was formed during a dramatic eruption in 1955-56, which was similar to that of Mount St. Helens in 1980. Prior to this eruption, Bezymianny volcano had been considered extinct. Subsequent episodic but ongoing lava-dome growth, accompanied by intermittent explosive activity and pyroclastic flows, has largely filled the 1956 crater.

SUMMER AND WINTER

Taking all the years of high latitude eruptions listed and composting them leads to a slightly cooler than normal summer in much of the lower 48 and a winter with cold in Canada and western United States with more variability and net warmth in the east. The winter pattern has the look of another La Nina.

References:

Oman, L., A. Robock, G. Stenchikov, G. A. Schmidt, and R. Ruedy (2005), Climatic response to high-latitude volcanic eruptions, J. Geophys. Res., 110, D13103, doi:10.1029/2004JD005487

Smithsonian Institution USGS Global Volcanism Program: http://www.volcano.si.edu/reports/usgs/

Volcano World Oregon State University http://volcano.oregonstate.edu/

NASA GISS AOT: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/modelforce/strataer/

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TerryBixler
April 6, 2009 7:07 am

Earthquake in Italy, vulcanism up, sunspots low quite a combination.

Ted Clayton
April 6, 2009 7:23 am

A riveting review – thank you!
I am particularly intrigued with the ‘anecdotes’:
“In North America, the winter of 1784 was the longest and one of the coldest on record. It was the longest period of below-zero temperatures in New England, the largest accumulation of snow in New Jersey, and the longest freezing over of Chesapeake Bay. There was ice skating in Charleston Harbor, a huge snowstorm hit the south, the Mississippi Riverfroze at New Orleans, and there was ice in the Gulf of Mexico.”
I would sure like to use these items, and be able to cite sources. Can anyone please give me a pointer to where I might find references to these powerful indicators?
Thanks – Ted

David Y
April 6, 2009 7:30 am

Is anyone aware of studies/known effects of ashfall in the ocean ecosystem (resulting plankton blooms, effect on currents, etc)?

Adam from Kansas
April 6, 2009 7:30 am

Shouldn’t that be ‘causing more variability and net warmth in the west and cooler than normal temps. in the east’ according to the map?
Doesn’t look like my area of Kansas sees any change from these eruption, may be just a typical summer here this year or it can be like last summer and we get a lot of cooler than normal temps. I wonder if it will also be like the last few summers and we fall short of the average number of days we hit 100 degrees?

Cassanders
April 6, 2009 7:36 am

I do definitely not know, and would normally have though “not much effect” due to its northernly localization.
However, the reference to a possible impact on NAO was interesting.
If the AMO continues its negative trend (expected) and the NAO simultaneously goes negative for a prolonged time, the effects should definitely be measurable.
Cassanders
In Cod we trust

lulo
April 6, 2009 7:46 am

The argument that tropical volcanoes have a greater effect on climate makes sense (more solar radiation to reflect, higher starting surface temperature, lower surface albedo). However, it has occurred to me that nowhere are surface airtemperatures further below their equilibrium temperature (based on radiation balance) than at high latitudes in spring. Blocking radiation at these latitudes may, therefore, cause some cooling even though there is less radiation overall, and even though the surface has a lower albedo. So, whether or not Redoubt has a significant negative effect on climate will be determined by the size of the eruption (about 1/100 to 1/50 that of Pinatubo once all eruptions are accounted for) and whether the stratosphere of high latitudes can sustain and spread the ash well enough for the effect to be significant (stratospheric ash is apparently spread more effectively in the tropics). If an series of eruptions were to occur in the north and have a negative effect on global temperature, I can’t imagine a better time of year for it to occur than March and April. The surface air temperature is well below its radiative equilibrium and solar heating is crucial in raising the temperature over the next few months. The main problem is that this is not a large volcano.

crosspatch
April 6, 2009 7:50 am

According to my reading so far, the eruptive activity at Redoubt hasn”t been large enough to cause any concern of measurable change in climate. Not to say that can’t change tomorrow (or 10 minutes from now) but to date, it just hasn’t been a large enough eruption to make a significant difference.
The volcano that concerns me the most is Nyiragongo and general vicinity. Apparently there is a young mantle plume. The magma from Nyiragongo looks to have come directly from the deep mantle. The plume appears rather large and there is roughly a circle of volcanoes in the region. Nearby Nyamuragira shows magma that is a mixture of the plume material and melted crust and so is likely to be at the edge of the plume. BOTH of these volcanoes are currently showing unrest.

Chris Knight
April 6, 2009 7:50 am

I can’t even see Kasatochi on the interactive map. It dumped a lot of SO2 and Br2 into the atmosphere last August. Murky, cool weather from western Canada to Europe ensued.
http://www.oma.be/BIRA-IASB/Molecules/SO2archive/cases/kasatochi.php

Johnnyb
April 6, 2009 7:57 am

I’ve been looking for the VEI of Mt. Redoubt, and am unable to find much of anything, but speculation that it might have been a VEI 6 which I seriously doubt, and other sources which claim that it has historically been about a VEI 3, which I believe to be more likely.
Question being, was this thing big enough to do anything?

David
April 6, 2009 8:03 am
April 6, 2009 8:10 am

Chris you re correct it is hard to find Kasatochi on the interactive map. It is labelled but not marked here http://www.volcano.si.edu/reports/usgs/index.cfm?content=maps
I added Kasatochi to the analysis after I sent the email to Anthony. See http://icecap.us/images/uploads/High_latitude_eruptions.pdf
Composites don’t change much.
Ted, the North America references were http://acatte.club.fr/Iceland_Laki_in_english.htm
and Wood, C.A., 1992. “The climatic effects of the 1783 Laki eruption” in C. R. Harrington (Ed.), The Year Without a Summer? Canadian Museum of Nature, Ottawa, pp. 58– 77
Joe D’Aleo

Johnnyb
April 6, 2009 8:34 am

Yes David, I understand that Mt. Redoubt is not the only one blowing up, but as I understand it, it is not the number of volcanoes that blow up but the size of the ones that do. Please correct me if I am wrong here, but VEI is measured as powers of 10, so a VEI 3 would be 10^3, while a VEI 6 would be 10^6, making it not twice as large but 1,000 times as large as a VEI 3.
Mt. St, Helens was a VEI 5, and it was barely a blimp as far as the global climate goes. As I understand it, we would really need a VEI 6 or larger to cause a noteworthy change. I could be wrong here, and beg correction if that is so.

INGSOC
April 6, 2009 8:44 am

The jet stream pattern over this past/continuing winter has been persistently very much like the Negative cold phase illustration at the top without there having been any volcanic events of any consequence. (At least to my knowledge)

skeptic
April 6, 2009 8:45 am

Thanks for discussing the Wilkins ice shelf collapse. I had previously believed that you cherry-picked only those stories which buttress your claims that
a) the climate is not warming
b) the warming is not caused by the CO2
c) the artificially-warmed climate brings benefits
d) its too late (or expensive) to do anything about the problems it causes anyway.
But I guess you’ve proved me wrong, by including a major climate story that doesn’t support one of these claims.

skeptic
April 6, 2009 8:49 am

Hmmm… a major volcano erupts near the northern pole, at precisely the time a major one erupts in Antarctica. Is this a coincidence????
The Antarctic one hasn’t been reported yet in the MSM, but that’s probably just a conspiracy. WE KNOW ITS THERE.
We know its there because another major ice shelf just collapsed, the latest in a string of remarkable collapses.
These collapses can not be caused by warming seas or climate. We know this because.. OH, LOOK, A SHINY THING!
Therefore, they must be caused by sub-antarctic volcanoes which haven’t been discovered yet. At least, we can’t prove that they’re not.
How amazing and fascinating the world is, when two volcanoes go off nearly simultaneously at opposite ends of the world. Too bad this information is viciously suppressed by the MSM.

April 6, 2009 8:55 am

I think that the point here is that the cooling cycle has preceded these eruptions but may well enhance the solar induced cooling spell.

Just The Facts
April 6, 2009 8:59 am

I’ve noticed that the Arctic Sea Ice Extent as measured by NSIDC seems to maintaining its coverage as we move into Spring: http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/images/daily_images/N_timeseries.png Can anyone advise as to how much of this might be related to recent volcanic activity versus other environmental factors?

April 6, 2009 9:15 am

Ted Clayton: Here it is another link about the Volcanic Winter of 1784
http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/pdf/Archive/Misc/misc.news.internet.discuss/2007-02/msg00664.pdf

George E. Smith
April 6, 2009 9:19 am

I’m not sure that the idea of a lower surface albedo is too realistic. A short term effect of the eruption should be increased cloud formation and precipitation so they might get a lot more snow in the area for a while which would raise the albedo a bit.
What an interesting essay though; almost makes me feel homesick; since I grew up in a city that has about 60 volcanoes in the greater city limits.
Rumor has it that all are extinct; some truly are; having been totally levelelled for road building materials.
George
Well there’s some new variables in the climate AlGorythm for the worrywarts to think about.

April 6, 2009 9:35 am

Johnnyb (07:57:16) :
The VEI 3 would seem, without data, to be a realistic expectation. There is no way that it has been a VEI 6 eruption. VEI 6 is a massive eruption. The big eruption of Mount St. Helen’s in 1980 was only a VEI 5.
This PDF provides a simple way to generically rate a volcano.
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/News/MSH2004/VEI_information.pdf

pmoffitt
April 6, 2009 9:47 am

Much of the climate debate has been a singular focus on steady -but relatively small – incremental century rise in temperature. Temperature change over a long period- especially those associated with warming -allow for adaptive behavior. The question that seems to have been unasked is what if any “insurance” does increasing CO2 (assuming for the moment that CO2 does what is claimed) give us against the devastating short term cooling associated with volcanic activity. What would be the impact today of “the year without a summer/1800 and froze to death” (1816?) that caused substantial famine in New England associated with Iceland’s Laki? Using any IPCC model is there a CO2 level that offsets the short term volcanic risk. (I’m simply positing this from a risk perspective- not debating the CO2 issue)
Volcanic eruptions are the trump cards to the vision of a safe climate. Does any one know of any work that looks at the dampening of short term cooling as a result of increasing CO2. Media has focused solely on the dangers of increasing temperatures when history tells us tremendous devastation has resulted from short term catastrophic temperature reductions resulting from volcanic activity. What type of volcano- what type of ejections/ emissions, duration etc have the potential to create major agriculture failures. It would seem this would be essential in any informed discussion of risk and climate strategy.
Perhaps the most dangerous aspect of climate warming alarmism is the message being sold to the public that if we stabilize CO2 we no longer need to worry about weather/geologic disruptions. California has a large section of its State trying to visit Alaska and moving at a speed (although much is undifferentiated slip) far greater than the ocean is forecast to rise- yet it is climate that gains the State’s atention. NYC is one of the top huricane risk cities and the major unaswered question is can the older windows in the sky scrapers hold in the face of the increasing wind strength as one goes up in height. The storm of 1898 blew a 13 foot wall of water into Brooklyn and Queens at low tide. Yet we are to understand that global warming is the most pressing of problems. Bangladesh lost a half a million people in a monsoon just before the anthropogenic CO2 warming trend. Infrastructure and where we build are key components in any sane discussion of climate related risk.
This message however that all we need to do is control CO2 borders in my perspective on being criminal. It prevents the discussion of the very necessary evaluation our infrastructure’s ability to survive a variety of risks having nothing to do with CO2. Risks associated with flooding, drought, hurricanes, and short term weather related agriculture disasters that are seen in the paleo-climatological record.
The avoided risk “not seen” is central to the entire global warming issue. Wm Blake understood that man gives much more credence to what strikes than what does not strike. The Public is only shown one possible risk within a larger matrix of risks and the Public is given no metric by which to weigh these risks- especially the avoided risks.

gary gulrud
April 6, 2009 9:53 am

!783 or 84 would have been around the start of the Dalton minimum(Not to get J. Finn started).
The anticorrelation of heliomagnetic and volcanic activity just keeps reappearing!

David
April 6, 2009 10:05 am

skeptic (08:45:45) :
That has been covered plenty. Why bother putting up one more?

April 6, 2009 10:07 am

So far no comments/correlations from the solar system’s center of mass theorists with respect to volcanism/ eruptions!

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