Steve McIntyre's ICCC09 presentation with notes

I sat next to Steve on the Climatology Panel at ICCC09 and thought he did a fine job of summarizing the Mannian methodology and the Bristlecone Pine issues for the general public. Jeff Id invited me to repost this from his blog, the Air Vent, and am more than happy to oblige so that it gets the widest possible exposure. Note, unlike at the Air Vent, this thread will be TCO free since we don’t allow cussing here. 😉 – Anthony

I’ve taken the time to post Steve McIntyres speech notes for the 2009 IPCC presentation along with the slides. It gives a much more complete view of the devastating presentation about Global Warming alarmism and IMO is a must read. SteveM’s notes for the speech are in Blue, as he says it he seldom uses the wording in the slides.


Do We Know That The 1990s were the warmest decade of the Millennium?

Stephen McIntyre March 9, 2009

New York 2009 International Conference on Climate Change


Do we know that whether the 1990s were the warmest decade of the millennium as we so often hear?. In my opinion, no. However, the opposite is also the case: neither do we know that the Medieval Period was warmer than the present. This is because the so-called “proxies” in current use are inconsistent; and, at present, this inconsistency is an insurmountable roadblock to answering the question. Minor changes of even proxy versions from nearby sites can yield opposite medieval-modern differentials. Problems with bristlecone tree rings may be familiar to some of you, but there are equally intractable problems with tree rings in Siberia. While I find these issues interesting both statistically and analytically, I readily concede, as some have argued, that the issue may well not “matter” for the “big problem” – Jor-El and the survival of the species sort of thing. Fair enough. But then policy makers and the public surely have the right to be annoyed at IPCC and others for so prominently featuring what they now say to be an irrelevancy in their public expositions of the AGW problem.


Contrary to later claims at realclimate and similar sites, let there be no doubt that the Mann Hockey Stick was not an incidental appendage to the Third Assessment Report, something that was isolated by skeptics as a weak stray from the flock. It was used over and over and could almost be said to be the logo of the IPCC 2001 report. The picture here shows it behind John Houghton as the backdrop for the press conference announcing the Third Assessment Report.


The Mann Hockey Stick gave rise to the sound bite: “the 1990s were the warmest decade and 1998 the warmest year”, a sound bite that was adopted by the Canadian government as their lead argument in raising public awareness. Indeed, that’s how I first heard of AGW as an issue.


The Hockey Stick was also prominently displayed in Inconvenient Truth, where Al Gore spliced the Mann hockey stick with the CRU instrumental temperature record and mistakenly called the spliced series “Dr Thompson’s ice core thermometer”, in effect citing the Mann hockey stick as “independent” proof of itself. Gore took a passing swipe at the so-called the “fierce attack” of “skeptics” against the Stick – thus, I guess, giving Ross and I a backhanded citation.


The original Mann hockey stick is retained in the 2007 IPCC Fourth Assessment, now as one strand in what I’ve termed a “spaghetti graph” – a graph in which the various reconstructions agree on very little except that the late 20th century is slightly warmer than the Medieval Period. Referring to this spaghetti graph, Mann observed some time ago that critics are not facing merely a Hockey Stick but an entire Hockey Team, a term that I cheerfully adopted at Climate Audit to describe Michael Mann, Gavin Schmidt and their associates. In 2008, Mann re-entered the fray with a new MBH reconstruction, using an even more obscure statistical methodology than the original paper.


Paleoclimate reconstructions are, in statistical parlance known outside the paleoclimate community, a form of “multivariate calibration”, a point that Ross and I raised in our recent PNAS comment on Mann et al 2008 published. Rather than applying known statistical methods to appraise his reconstructions, Mann and associates have developed their own ad hoc methodologies, the properties of which are poorly understood and which, as we observed on an earlier occasion with Mann’s modified principal components method in the original Hockey Stick paper, may have unforeseen defects.. In our 2009 comment on Mann et al 2008, we applied the consistency test of Brown and Sundberg, a prominent multivariate calibration article, to the proxies of Mann et al 2008, finding that the proxies were so inconsistent that it was impossible to establish a finite confidence interval prior to the 19th century. I anticipate that other studies would have similar results. In reply, Mann provided no support for his methodology in statistical literature, instead asserting that their method was “conventional”, citing two climate articles by his sometime coauthors..


In a survey of statistical problems in ecology in the early 1990s, Jan de Leeuw, a prominent applied statistician, made the obvious requirement of a valid model that it be “stable” to “small and uninteresting perturbations”1 – specifically mentioning stability to data selection and to minor variations in technique. In fact, this sort of test, typically using the word “robustness” is often made in paleoclimate. The problem is that “robustness” claims in the literature are often, shall we say, artful and sometimes even untrue, so that the exact status is often unclear with careful dissection of the analysis.


This sort of sensitivity analysis was an important aspect of our articles and many Climate Audit posts. One section of our 2005 E&E article was entitled the “Effect of slight variations on 15th century temperature results”, where we reported that slight 1 We usually do not want a small and uninteresting perturbation of our data to have a large effect on the results of our technique. Classical statistics has always studied stability by using standard errors or confidence intervals. Gifi thinks this is much too narrow and other forms of stability are important as well… variations in retained principal components and variations in the presence/absence of bristlecones had a noticeable impact on results, resulting in early 15th values of a Manntype reconstruction exceeding late 20th century values. Since we did not believe that a slight tweak of Mannian proxies and methods would magically yield a valid reconstruction, we did not present this sensitivity analysis as an alternative temperature history, but as a demonstration that questionable methodological and data selection decisions in the original article had a significant impact on results..


The results are unstable because, in the MBH AD1400 network, only the North American tree ring PC1 dominated by bristlecones and the equally problematic Gaspé cedars have a hockey stick shape. If these series receive less weight, then there is nothing in the other 20 series in the network that generates a hockey stick shape.


Surprisingly, given everything that you might read, there is not actually any dispute between the parties on a sufficiently well-specified calculation. On the top left, is a figure from Mann et al’s reply to our 2003 article, in which they also obtained very high early 15th century values by excluding bristlecones – that’s not how the described the calculation; they described us as having “thrown out” essential data – data that we later determined to be the bristlecones. The top right shows a figure from Bürger et al (2006), confirming and extending our findings that some seemingly innocuous methodological variations yielded 15th century values higher than 20th values. On the bottom left, our 2005 results are re-plotted, together with two scenarios by Mann’s frequent coauthors, Wahl and Ammann, in which they varied the methodology and number of retained principal components in the middle and the presence/absence of bristlecones on the right. The Wahl and Ammann results and ours reconcile to 7 9s accuracy, though you’d never know it from the literature. All four groups show that the presence/absence of bristlecones or methodological variations that substantially change their weights alter the 15th century-20th century differential.


A panel of the U.S. National Academy of Sciences considered some of these issues in 2006 and reported that the Mann reconstruction wasn’t robust to the presence/absence of bristlecones, no other intrpretation for the code words “proxy records from indivdual regions” being possible. Ironically, they credited Wahl and Ammann for this observation rather than us.


Despite the fact that four different groups, two of which included Mann and his close associates, had confirmed that these variations resulted in 15th century values exceeding 20th century values, the IPCC Fourth Assessment Report’s last word was that the impact of these problems was negligible, only about 0.05°C, far below the amount necessary to affect the relationship of early results to 20th Century results. As IPCC reviewers, Ross and I protested this characterization of the matter articulately and in detail, but our comments were disregarded.


The IPCC claim was based on an assertion by Wahl and Ammann that, if they added enough principal components back into the mix, they could once again get a hockey stick shape. By adding more principal components, the bristlecones were reintroduced as a lower order principal component series. Wahl and Ammann presented a very strange argument for including bristlecones regardless of whether there was a relationship to local temperature. They conceded that the Mann reconstruction had no validity without using bristlecones. They argued that this very failure somehow demonstrated that the bristlecones contained climatic information at the “level of eigenvector patterns in global surface temperatures”. In the plain light of day, the language is absurd, but that didn’t stop IPCC from relying on it as the last word on the matter.


In doing so, the IPCC also ignored specific findings of another 2006 panel, this one led by Edward Wegman, chairman of the NAS Committee on Theoretical and Applied Statistics. Wegman said that Wahl and Ammann’s tactic of adding back enough principal components to get a Hockey Stick had no “statistical integrity”. As an IPCC reviewer, I asked that the Wegmen Report be considered and cited; IPCC refused. Returning to the original question of stability to data selection and methodology, regardless of any spin from Mann and his associates, I submit that it is impossible to contemplate a smaller and more “uninteresting” methodological variation than whether 2 or 4 covariance principal components should be used in a reconstruction. A valid reconstruction simply should not turn on such a point – an observation that we made clearly in 2005. I also submit that it is hard to contemplate a more appropriate test of data selection stability than the presence/absence of bristlecones. The Mann reconstruction fails on both counts, and, in fact, failed to even live up to its own robustness warranties2. Quite separately from these issues, in our 2005 articles, we reported many questions from specialist literature about whether bristlecones were valid proxies in the first place. The NAS panel stated that strip bark proxies, another code word for bristlecones, should be avoided – a recommendation that was promptly ignored by both IPCC and the paleoclimate community, which, if anything, redoubled its use of bristlecones and even Mann’s discredited PC1. A Dozen Independent Studies 2MBH99 obscurely alludes to the impact of bristlecones on the verification statistics for AD1000 results (neglecting to mention their effect on the presence/absence of long-term trend), previously asserted in MBH98 to be robust to the presence/absence of all dendroclimatic indicators (and, a fortiori, to bristlecones). MBH99 explicitly denied that the post-1400 network of MBH98 was affected, a claim that was untrue. Mann et al 2000 made no mention of the caveat alluded to in MBH99 and asserted in categorical terms that the reconstruction was not sensitive to the presence/absence of dendroclimatic indicators.


The other supposed support for the Stick has been that similar results have supposedly been obtained by more than a “dozen independent studies”. The claim was made in Mann’s 2003 Senate testimony, by Wigley in a newspaper interview responding to our 2003 article, in Mann’s 2005 letter to the House Energy and Commerce Committee and remains in Wikipedia to this day.


[SLIDE] The IPCC Fourth Assessment was a little more guarded, recognizing that the data was “not entirely independent”3.


However, this completely misrepresents the true situation. In fact, the dozen supposedly “independent” studies re-cycle the same data over and over. Bristlecones are used 9 of 12 studies in the spaghetti and versions of Polar Urals and Tornetrask are used in every study in the spaghetti graph. This lack of independence means that, if, for any reason, there should be a problem arise with bristlecones, Polar Urals or Tornetrask or all of them, every IPCC reconstruction is affected. And this proves to be the case.



At face value, Mann’s bristlecone ring width chronologies show little difference between the Little Ice Age and Medieval Warm Period in California. This is at odds with ecological information – it has been known since the 1970s that medieval bristlecones grew well above the present tree line. In 2006, Constance Miller and associates used ecological niche information to estimate that California was about 3.2 degrees warmer in the medieval period than at present. As a reviewer, I asked IPCC to cite this article; they refused.


In 2006, the bristlecone chronologies, originally collected by Donald Graybill in the 1980s, were over 20 years old. Whether they were right or wrong, they represented the results of only one researcher. Mere prudence suggests that Graybill’s bristlecone sites should be re-sampled. Given the relative warmth of the past 2 decades, this would be an ideal out-of-sample test of their validity as unique world thermometers in warm conditions – a point that we forcefully raised in a 2005 Op Ed. There’s an extra reason in this case – ironically, Graybill was trying to show that carbon dioxide fertilization influenced growth. Arch-skeptic Sherwood Idso was a coauthor of the Graybill article originally publishing the bristlecone series relied upon by Michael Mann. In 2003, Idso was astonished to learn that this data had been used as the active ingredient in the hockey stick. Despite the urgent need for modern data, the IPCC Fourth Assessment asserted that, unfortunately, there was no recent data at the key tree ring sites. Mann had previously justified this lack of due diligence by saying that updates would have require “heavy equipment” and expensive travel to out of way sites. I’m familiar with mining exploration 3 As with the original TAR series, these new records are not entirely independent reconstructions inasmuch as there are some predictors (most often tree ring data and particularly in the early centuries) that are common between them, but in general, they represent some expansion in the length and geographical coverage of the previously available data (Figures 6.10 and 6.11 and, at Climate Audit, I teasingly formulated what we called the Starbucks Hypothesis: that a UCAR scientist could have a latte at Starbucks in the morning, update the bristlecones in the day and still be home for dinner. More on this later.


In fact, contrary to IPCC claims, some important sites had been updated, including the most important site in the Mann reconstruction, the Sheep Mt bristlecones, which had been updated in 2002 by Linah Ababneh, then a PhD student at the University of Arizona. MBH coauthor Hughes was on her thesis committee. Her results totally failed to replicate Graybill’s distinctive hockey stick – Graybill’s results are shown on the left; hers on the right. This was not mentioned by IPCC. Mann et al 2008, for which Hughes was a coauthored, perpetuated the use of the obsolete Graybill chronology rather than the up-to-date Ababneh results, making no attempt whatever to reconcile the discrepancy or to justify the decision.


In 2007, another Graybill bristlecone site at Mt Almagre in Colorado was updated. This is now both the most up-to-date and highest 1000 year tree ring chronology in the world. Instead of ring widths increasing in the 30 years since 1980, they declined and currently are more or less at their long-term average.slide23

The samplers also proved the controversial Starbucks Hypothesis. At 7 a.m., they had coffee at the Starbucks in Colorado Springs and by 9 a.m. were ready to sample bristlecones. You may recognize one of the samplers.


Pete Holzmann, a Climate Audit reader, managed to locate some of the trees tagged by Graybill in the 1980s. This was pretty lucky as there were no maps and the coordinates on file were not very precise.


[SLIDE] From our work at Almagre, we think that there may be an amusing explanation of the Hockey Stick. Strip bark trees are trees where the bark has died around the circumference, leaving only a strip, often leading to bewildering contortions. In one test of two cores about 9 inches apart, one core had a 6 sigma growth pulse lasting over a century and then subsiding, while the adjacent core didn’t. We think that the 6-sgima growth pulse may be a mechanical reaction to the bark stripping off and have nothing to do with temperature or carbon dioxide. In the usual small sample of 20 or so cores, it is obvious that even a couple of 6-sigma excursions could have a profound impact on the average. This is not a simply theoretical concern as Graybill said that he intentionally selected strip bark and we identified this precise problem in one of Graybill’s tagged trees. From seeing incipient strip bark, Pete Holzmann thinks that strip bark may originate from broken branches, which in turn may come from heavy snowfall. Ironically, the explanation of the Graybill chronologies may be a century long strip bark pulse, with severe weather in the US West in the 1840s occasioning an unusual incidence of strip bark formation. An odd explanation indeed for the Hockey Stick. Polar Urals


There are still three IPCC reconstructions that don’t use bristlecones. But each of these – Jones et al 1998; Briffa 2000 and D’Arrigo 2006 – is unstable to one data version decision – a choice between two versions of Polar Urals data.


The 1998 Jones reconstruction had only 3 series in the 11th century, one of which was Briffa’s then recent Polar Urals chronology published in 1995. Briffa’s Polar Urals tree ring reconstruction was an opening shot against the then prevalent concept of a Medieval Warm Period, claiming that 1032 was the coldest year of the millennium.


As in California, this chronology was at odds with ecological information. In 1995, Shiyatov, a Russian specialist, reported that the medieval treeline was well above current treelines and that the medieval period was a time of record growth. In 2004, Naurzbaev et al estimated that the medieval period was 1.5 to 3 deg C warmer than at present. As a reviewer, I asked the IPCC to cite this article; again they refused.


It turned out that the Briffa chronology was based on only 3-4 poorly dated cores in the early 11th century – far short of usual dendro standards. In the late 1990s, new material was cross-dated 11th century, yielding a totally different result: an elevated Medieval Warm Period


Briffa did not publish the new Polar Urals data (nor did anyone else) – I obtained the data only through quasi-litigation with Science. In his 2000 reconstruction, instead of using the updated Polar Urals series, Briffa substituted a new chronology from Yamal, about 90 miles away from the other site. Remarkably, unlike the updated Polar Urals series with its elevated medieval period, the new chronology had a pronounced hockey stick shape.


Briffa’s Tornetrask versions were used in all the spaghetti graph studies. However, in 2006, a new Tornetrask version was published without Briffa. The data had been collected some years earlier. Once again, the effect was that the medieval period was considerably enhanced relative to the modern warm period.


Contrary to IPCC claims, these instabilities really do matter for the spaghetti graph studies. On the left, I’ve shown the spaghetti graph from the NAS panel report, and, on the right, a corresponding spaghetti graph derived by minor variations in data selection – in each case using only data sets that have been used in one of the spaghetti graph studies.


By now, I’m sure that you’re sick of tree ring data. But ice core delta O18 – Lonnie Thompson’s hockey stick – offer little help in resolving the dilemma. The chart at right shows 6 O18 series over the past 1000 years from north to south. Greenland (top) and inland Antarctica (bottom) show little change in the period. Law Dome in Antarctica(second from the bottom) had elevated medieval delta O18. Mt Logan, Yukon (second from top) shows the opposite effect to the one generally expected. 20th century delta O18 values are much lower than 19th century values – the authors attribute this not to decreasing temperatures, but to changing regional circulation. Fair enough, but once you invoke that explanation, there is no basis for being sure that increasing O18 values at (say) Dasuopu in the Himalayas are not also a result of regional circulation changes.


One also needs to consider glacier retreat evidence, which may well point towards the modern period being warmer than the medieval period. In Alberta in 1999, a retreating glacier exposed in situ stumps that were dated about 2800 BP, stumps that do not appear to have been exposed in the medieval period.slide35

At Quelccaya glacier in Peru, Lonnie Thompson has identified plant remains from the retreating glacier, some of which are dated about 4500 BP and which do not appear to have been exposed in the medieval period.


In the Swiss Alps, Joerin and associates have dated wood fragments from receding glaciers, primarily prior to the medieval period. They posited that the Alps were green in Roman times, illustrating their concept with the colorful comparison to the present day shown here. So there is definitely glacier retreat evidence that points to the modern period being warmer than the medieval period. But this evidence is a two-edged sword for proponents of unprecedentedness. The very evidence showing that the modern period is warmer than the medieval period also shows that plants and trees grew even higher in even earlier warm periods. The plant remains recovered by Lonnie Thompson from the receding Quelccaya glacier are up to 400 meters higher than their present limit.


[SLIDE] Now we come to a harder question. Does any of this matter in a big picture sense?


Mann’s realclimate colleague, Gavin Schmidt, has stated that the position that the Stick is the “least important” figure in understanding climate:4 If this is the “least important” figure, third parties are surely entitled to ask why IPCC, Al Gore and others used it so extensively. Wouldn’t the IPCC and others have carried out their responsibilities more effectively if they’d focused on presenting the “most important” figures to a public that is starving for knowledge? And having publicized the “least important” figures so much, surely they are in no position to blame others, if the public has trouble understanding their message. Maybe they should look into the mirror and try to insure that they focus on what’s important. Indeed, on the basis that the hockey stick was as irrelevant as Gavin Schmidt said, I suggested that the Fourth Assessment Report save space by deleting the entire topic and focusing on matters that were important. They thought otherwise and thus we have the spaghetti graph.

slide39 Having said all this, in preparing for this conference, it occurred to me that there is one version of the Hockey Stick type diagrams that actually is relevant to policy makers and the interested public. On the left, I show a figure from the 2001 Synthesis Report (not the WG1 report), which splices the Mann hockey stick with the various IPCC scenarios. On the right, I’ve plotted the despised Lamb schematic on a corresponding scale together with Fourth Assessment scenarios. In my opinion, given their forecasts, IPCC could reasonably illustrate the scale of change under their forecasts as compare to something like the Medieval Warm Period, even under Lamb’s view. This turns the question back to the validity of the forecasts – which has always been the big question – and away from the intricacies of obscure statistical manipulations of tree ring data.


On the other hand, there is another line of opinion that the Hockey Stick is important because paleoclimate information is used in estimating climate sensitivity and, if the Stick is wrong, ironically the real situation is much worse than we think. Regardless of whether this position is right or wrong, I have a simple answer: well, if that’s the case, we’d better find out if the Hockey Stick is correct and govern ourselves accordingly. And if it matters, other people besides me should take an interest in critical analyses of the methods and data used in these reconstructions. And efforts to obstruct the determination of whether the Stick is right or wrong though withholding of data and code should be condemned not just by me, but by the broader climate science community.


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March 18, 2009 7:38 pm

Long report.
It’s ironic (and iconic!) that the IPCC’s 2007 Box 6.4 Figure above PROVES that the global temperatures WERE warmer around year 1000. EVERY proxy temperature record PEAKED at around 1000 AD, then DECLINED after that to a low around 1600 AD.
The IPCC lied by drawing their line ABOVE all of the proxies, but the overall cyclic up-and-down, plus a short 70 year cycle is clear.
Ignored by the IPCC because they don’t WANT to see it, but present non-the-less.

March 18, 2009 7:49 pm

Thanks for posting Steve McIntyre’s presentation. Those who don’t read Steve’s Climate Audit site and wish to find out more detail about any facet of this presentation can look it up there.
Also, a related site belonging to Bishop Hill had a very interesting summary of the situation, showing the behind the scenes shenanigans involved: click

Dave Wendt
March 18, 2009 10:44 pm

I recall reading a post some time back about the release of a study that claimed that tree foliage, both deciduous and evergreen, had the ability to self regulate it’s temperature within a narrower range than the ambient environment. It struck me that if this could be verified it would make things interesting for the dendrochronologists. I had intended to look into it further, but life, as it will, intruded and I forgot about it. Does anyone else remember this thing or know whether it was contradicted?

Rhys Jaggar
March 19, 2009 1:14 am

This shows many things:
1. The scientific data upon which absolute statements are made is neither simple, nor is it unequivocal. There is a lot of ‘interpretation’ of a variety of data sets, many of which are not consistent with each other. CAVEAT EMPTOR!
2. Buying green credentials via free corporate advertising is part of the marketing mix.
3. Most of this is like a tortured theological debate about the usefulness or otherwise of using condoms. Whilst in the real world, people are humping regardless. The debate only reaches its climax when overpopulation rears its ugly head. So the debating society will have many decades to continue before we REALLY need an answer……..
4. Dr McIntyre serves a very useful purpose in keeping the climate change footballers honest. Or at least limiting their dishonesty by hauling them up before an FA tribunal from time to time………keep up the good work, Dr McIntyre!
5. This site keeps alive the honorable tradition of skeptical scientific enquiry in climatology by allowing folks such as Dr McIntyre to present their views. Keep that up!

Ed Zuiderwijk
March 19, 2009 1:29 am

Pretty lame argument: “the proxies aren’t good enough”. In that case you look for other evidence, such as archeological. In Scotland, for instance, we know they grew grains and barleys up North a thousand years ago that would not grow there now. Hence it was warmer. In Canada evidence is found that foodstock was grown farther North than would have been possible in the second part of the 20th century. Hence it was warmer. And so on. Just the same story for colder periods in the past: we know of the Little Ice Ace not so much by “proxies” but by looking at paintings of people skating on seriously frozen rivers in England or Holland, and we use well documented reports of food shortages and resulting rioting in the 17-th century. Did you guys know that the Dutch independence war with the Spanish was suspended by mutual agreement for 12 years in the early 17th century because of the famines all over Europe; people had other, more pressing problems to deal with.

March 19, 2009 2:26 am

It’s great that Anthony is bringing Steve MacKintyre’s work to a wider audience. Though I guess the small number of responses so far may indicate that a lot o WUWT’s readership lurk on the climate audit website anyway, certainly true of me. 🙂
Steve has done a tireless and excellent job of keeping statistics real for little thanks and no pay and deserves massive credit for forcing the establishment to take note of the lax and obscure statistical methods employed by the hockey jockeys. In the strange world of policy politics it seems these efforts can be conveniently ignored, and that must be depressing at times for a man of integrity like Steve. I think he should take heart in the fact that the chickens are now coming home to roost on the whole house of cards Mann et al constructed.
Keep it up Steve, we’re behind you, even as lurkers too afraid to post on CA anymore.

Steinar Midtskogen
March 19, 2009 3:58 am

Here’s an article about moss and plant life found beneath a glacier in Svalbard: HOLOCENE2005.pdf
It’s interesting since the glaciers in Svalbard have been shrinking during the past century and winter temperatures have risen by several degrees in the last decade suggesting more glacier melt in the future. But the article shows that at least this particular glacier was far smaller in the first millennium AD. Of course, glacier extent depends not just on temperature, but on precipitation as well, so this is no better proxy than anything else. Still, it demonstrates that the current glacier retreat itself is nothing new. If Svalbard has been, as some have suggested, pretty much ice free at times after the last ice age, the arctic ocean may have been more or less ice free in the summers as well, yet it didn’t trigger a runaway process, meaning that if the arctic ocean does become ice free again, it doesn’t necessarily mean that we should all panic.

March 19, 2009 4:14 am

I’m confused. Is it “The Rise of the Stick” or “The Rise of the Shtick”?

March 19, 2009 5:01 am

I thanked Steve McIntyre for this ICCC09 presentation on Climate Audit and I thank him again for it on WUWT. Of course, gratitude to Anthony Watts as well. Glad to see the new server soon will be up and running. I cannot begin to understand the mathematics on Climate Audit, but I can follow the logic and the principles of scientific integrity. Fraud (the “crime of cheating people” or the “intention to deceive”) and corruption (“dishonesty for personal gain” or “depravity, extreme immorality” or “rotting, putrefaction”) seems to be everywhere these days. Not just a “tip in the jar”, but a monthly subscription is due to sir Watts.
The historian in me says look to the era of the Robber Barons for cyclical types of behavior, only this is much worse; it now is global. A number of commenters have connected the climate modelers to the financial modelers who have given us this horrendous mess. Well, think about similar intentions and think “they knew what they were doing”. Those who originally bankrolled our present leader, in addition to far-leftists and Islamists, are all major players in the financial industry. So far they have a vast percentage of our savings and retirement; now their CO2 cap-and-trade buddies will try to finish us off.

March 19, 2009 5:05 am

Although not strictly about climate science, there is an interesting paper in the latest newsletter of the Australian Institute of Geoscientists (AIG News) by B.G. Charlton entitled: “Zombie Science: A Sinister Consequence of Evaluating Scientific Theories Purely on the Basis of Enlightened Self-interest”. (pp16-19)
It describes how phoney theories can be kept going by support from those whose interests it serves.

Jeff Alberts
March 19, 2009 5:22 am

So, if the Hokey Schtick is the “least important” then surely so is CO2.

Larry Kirk
March 19, 2009 6:59 am

Re Comment by Geogrl
Delightfully relevant, and not unamusing!
Also the preceding article in the same issue of AIG cannot have escaped your notice: the one on the true nature of the ‘greenhouse effect’, which in case you missed it, referred to the same 1906 paper that was referred to in a previously-linked the German paper at
(With ensuing discussion here towards the end of the earlier blog about synchronised chaos and clmate change)
With regards,

March 19, 2009 7:48 am

Regarding peruvian glaciers. These indeed were receding during El Nino years of 83 and 98 and until temperatures kept high but they are now recovering. Perhaps some do not know that in Peru it snows on the mountainsduring SH summertime. Now it is snowing again, as you can see in the next link
This snow storm affected more than a thousand families. This is near the Quelccaya glacier.

Fred from Canuckistan . . .
March 19, 2009 8:20 am

Well for the military history buffs out there, this finally explains how Hannibal got his war elephants through the Alps.
The old “he invented Elephant snowshoes” theory can now be firmly laid to rest.

Frank Miles
March 19, 2009 9:39 am

i agree withe above totally but feel it is on the friendly side…… by looking at you can literally find many many examples of data from cave analyses as well other tree data that suggest quite happily that the mwp was significantly warmer in places all over the globe. some by as much as .75 degree some by more than currently. they are reported papers in science and nature and others. the spaghetti graph and mann used as evidence seems to be a travesty of analyses of scientific temperature records.
how they can deduce that co is the significant factor is ridiculous.

James Griffin
March 19, 2009 9:40 am

The next step is to get Steve on TV.
Up until recently it was not exactly on the horizon but with Bob Carter making it on to Fox News and by being allowed to put his point over to Glenn Beck we live in hope.

March 19, 2009 10:22 am

tallbloke re lack of comments: Yes, I also read this previously on CA.
Geogrl re Zombie Science: Excellent essay that did not mention Climate Science, but I don’t think it was a coincidence that a 1975 clip regarding the greenhouse effect preceeded it. And Zombie Science is a good term for it.
Also an interesting article about radioactivity decay rates being correlated to earth-sun distance.

March 19, 2009 3:50 pm

Larry Kirk and Tom in Texas:
Yes, the AIG Newsletters have been following the climate debate for some time and they have been quite good at having guest authors or reprinting interesting articles; for example, a reprint from an article in the Financial Post of Canada (July 7, 2007):
“Geological Opinion about CO2” in
They also weigh in from time to time on the debate from a geologist’s perspective (e.g. glacial geology, interstadials, etc.)

March 19, 2009 6:20 pm

Read up on the Trilateral Commission and and the Council for Foreign Relations and their long-range objectives of a one-world government and currency, with media suppression of opposing views. It looks to me that these people are likely suspects for the suppression of any skeptical views on global warming. What better way to weaken the most productive industrial democracies than to burden them with carbon taxes while scaring the populations with predicted catastrophes if they don’t submit. You can bet there is a lot of money to be made somewhere in the picture, and it is not going to be by Joe Sixpac.

Evan Jones
March 19, 2009 8:25 pm

I heard the lecture at the conference. It was awesome, as I knew it would be. St. Mac is a great speaker. His open honesty regarding uncertainties was impressive and very refreshing.
The debate only reaches its climax when overpopulation rears its ugly head.
Overpopulation, hell. What really happens is that a society becomes affluent. At that point (NEVER until), kids cease being an essential economic asset and become a bigtime economic liability. THAT’s when the birthrate goes down. Always, and not until.
Human nature at its finest.
(When superaffluence becomes ubiquitous (give it a century or two–and we may possibly be around to see it), the drivers will doubtless have changed, of course.)

Evan Jones
March 19, 2009 8:29 pm

The next step is to get Steve on TV.
Gosh, yes. Great presence and presentation ability.
we live in hope.
We survived the Club of Rome. We’ll weather this.

J. Peden
March 19, 2009 11:03 pm

Thanks for posting this, Anthony. I read CA pretty consistently but still need all the help I can get. Thankfully, I found that I’m at least somewhat familiar with all the issues Steve M. mentioned here.
As a pet peeve, the thing that really bothers me for some reason is the fact that bristlecone treelines have been as much as 300 feet higher in the past where Mann, etc., studied them, and bristlecone pine ring widths were primarily considered to be excellent proxies for local precipitation previous to AGW, according to Steven Arno’s Timberline, Mountain and Arctic Frontiers, which I happened to have bought back when it was published in 1984 just because it looked like a good book to have around if you frequent the Mountains.
I guess it’s just really irritating to read someone pre-AGW like Arno, who is so reasonable about trees and their growth and gives many real examples of what can and has influenced their growth, then compare it to Mann’s totally rediculous, unscientific interpretation of ring-widths. I have lived among wild trees now for over 30 years, and the idea that the ring-widths of wild trees can be merely assumed to be a proxy for even local temperatures seems manifestly absurd. Each got dam tree is different/unique and obviously has a different substrate for growth! Etc, etc.. You’d probably have to actually cut down the whole forest before you could be reasonably sure of [not] finding anything hidden away in the wild ring widths.
But it took Steve and Ross’s efforts to put the kabosh on Mann’s “work”. Thank Heavens – or whatever.

March 20, 2009 12:51 am

Outstanding! Like many I try to follow the wonderful work done over at Climate Audit but most of it goes right over my head. These presentations help to bridge the mental gap.
But one issue. Does it matter if they know that 1998 was the warmest year of the millennium?
I would say yes.
The computer models are being used to predict the future climate, their credibility is based on their ability to model the past. Unless the Hockey Stick truly portrays the past temperature record it should never have made the light of day, let alone been the star turn. The models should have universally disagreed with it.
If the models are so good they should be alerting the world to the inaccuracies of the proxy record not the other way round. They should be able to hind cast some interesting climate features (previously unknown) that could be extracted from the geological record. eg They should have been able to predict that the Arctic Ocean saw greatly reduced ice cover 6000 – 7000 years ago.

Steve Keohane
March 20, 2009 6:24 am

Thanks again Anthony and Steve for all the work you do, and putting it out for all to see.

J. Peden
March 20, 2009 8:15 am

If the models are so good they should be alerting the world to the inaccuracies of the proxy record not the other way round.
Yes, apparently the models can’t explain anything in the past without the requisite levels of CO2, a fact/assumption which the modelers seem to even boast about. Hence, even fairly recent past events simply did not occur, such as the MWP and higher bristlecone and Arctic timberlines when CO2 concentrations were much lower – according to Steven Arno, pre-AGW science viewed arctic and alpine timberlines as temperature proxies, not ring widths.
Imo, the models need to explain the higher timberlines, etal., not simply act like they never existed, or that they were only “local” while using the same “local” trees to claim “no recent past warming similar to present”.

George E. Smith
March 20, 2009 2:00 pm

Lrt of stuff to digest in this report.
But as for connecting actual real world thermometer readings of temperature; soething which we can’t even do very well today, as Anthony’s photo essay shows us; it’s for darn sure that we couldn’t measure temperatures very well much before around 1980.
That’s about when some ocean buoys got put out to sea, to actually record some lower troposphere air temperatures over the ocean; well specifically at +3 metres above sea level; while simultaneously measuring the near surface (-1 metre) oceanic water temperatures.
The results from about 20 years of that study were reported in Geophysical Reasearch Letters for Jan 2001; and they showed that over that 20 year period; for those sites that had been buoyed, the increase in lower troposphere temperature (air) was only about 60% of the increase in near suface water temperatures.
That is significant, since prior to the time they put those buoys out; ocean water temperatures from some arbitrary depth, were regarded as perfectly good proxies for the air temperature. I don’t know why anybody would even imagine that in a dream, since ocean currents, and wind speeds over the oceans, can be orders of magnitude apart. Air over Hawaii today, may be over Mexico in a few days.
So clearly that epoch around 1980 marks a disconnect between the world or real temperature measurments, and temperature proxies. The oceans comprise around 70-73% of the earth surface, so errors in ocean temperatuyre sampling mean total chaos in overall global temperature measurments.
Now you cannot simply apply the 60% correction factor to all that ancient oceanic water temperature data; because the key finding of that 2001 paper, was that the near surface oceanic water temperature, an the three metre high air temperatures are not even correlated; so it is impossible to reconstruct the ancient air temperatures over the ocean from the phony ancient water temperature data.
So as far as I am concerned, everything before 1980 in terms of climate data and trends (temperature wise, and what derives from that) now rests only on proxies; because we have NO continuous actual thermometer record before then for most of the world surface area.
That’s an interesting break point since the firsat polar orbit satellites went up circa 1979; so we had no real world ice data before that either; at least not that we can compare other than anecdotally with today’;s satellite measures.
Speaking of Bristle cone pines; C14 dating of individual rings from California’s White Mountains BCPs was used to recalibrate the radiocarbon dating record which had previously been believed to be an absolutely constant time scale, with unifrom and constant rate of C14 production by Cosmic rays.
We now know that rate is anything but constant; and the fix to the C14 time scale actually reversed the history of some pottery technology that went from Spain to the middle east (Mesopotamia) and had previously been thought to have gone the other way.
Some newly degreed botanist from California I believe, apparently had never learned about tree core boring techniques, so in search of an old bristle cone pone, he actually cut down the one that his seat of the pants credentials told him was old; and he took a segment out of that tree back to the lab to count the rings. Turns out it was old; very old; and once appraised of his stupidity and his act of ignorant vandalism; he went back to the White Mountains to look for more old BCPs.
He never found another one that came within 500 years of the age of the one he cut down.
You can find the story, and a picture of the dead tree stump in the archives of National Geographic Magazine; and no I remember stories, I don’t catalog them with dates of occurrence too.

March 21, 2009 4:34 pm

Great presentation.
Thanks for the Wegman grid showing which Team members used which study, this is important evidence of the incestuous nature of the work – the HS was never independently replicated. I’ve copied it into the Primer now, alongside an annotated spaghetti graph.

April 3, 2009 10:07 am

Nitrogen oxides can also act as a fertilizer. These tend to be concentrated at higher altitudes. Modern air pollution in this form might have contributed to the Bristlecone proxy prob lem

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