Like RSS, UAH lower troposphere global temperature anomaly also went up in November, which was to be expected:
2008 10 0.166
2008 11 0.254
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Like RSS, UAH lower troposphere global temperature anomaly also went up in November, which was to be expected:
2008 10 0.166
2008 11 0.254
More later…
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Manfred makes a good point, it agrees with something I had been told previously, temperatures across the USSR were manipulated to be lower than they were to earn the area more fuel for heating. So the Soviet era may tend to have lower than real temperatures recorded for much of the twentieth century.
Mike Bryant (19:47:59) :
“Is it snowing here at WUWT or did I pick up a virus?”
Not a virus but yet another example of man made climate chaos. ;-/
I am not a scientist or a statistician so please bear with a couple of elementary questions:
When you say the “lower troposphere global temperature anomoly”, to what are you referring? Specifically, to what altitude does the lower troposhere go?
The reason why I ask is that I was at 40,000′ (FL 400) last night over the eastern US and the temperature outside was -65. While I haven’t kept any records, I’d say that the temperature usually runs between -45 and -55 in the 35,000-45,000 altitude range. This year I’ve been seeing temps in the -60s frequently.
Does this information add anything useful to your discussion?
Thanks
Tim
Tim F (12:36:18) :
It’s about 3,300 feet (1 km) See http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps
and slide your mouse over the scale on the left.
Probably not – some people were predicting the highly amplified jet stream we have now as being in place for a lot of the winter. The Jet stream dives south through the plains and come north just off the coast. In the trough in between, Arctic can come down and that’s what you’re flying through.
Pretty cold down here on the ground, too!
Ric Werme (05:53:44) :
Ric, 41 years in the game makes me think minimising my appearance in computer databases is possibly worthwhile, so Google probably won’t find me 🙂
But yes, some experience of PDP-10 in the lineup. By date75 perhaps you are talking about DEC’s own year 2000 bug of 18-May-1997 (and the 9999 days involved) ?? I think some of my own PC commercial software has its own independently developed 2030’s bug but I doubt I will need (or be here) to worry about it.
Six years with the Aussie Bureau of Meteorology’s “supercomputers” (of the time – IBM 360/65s) together with many, many years of sailing have taught me a bit about the weather. Hence the gravitation to Anthony’s site. Been lurking here for some time and always appreciate your comments.
Have fun.
Doug Jones (20:01:04) :
> Ric Werme (05:53:44) :
> But yes, some experience of PDP-10 in the lineup. By date75 perhaps you are talking about DEC’s own year 2000 bug of 18-May-1997
No, the monitor (OS) had a 12 bit field for the date that overflowed in 1975.
The fix was to add three more bits to it.
> Six years with the Aussie Bureau of Meteorology’s “supercomputers” (of the time – IBM 360/65s)
Ah – you probably aren’t the Doug Jones (at the Univ. of Iowa) I expected.
His http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/ will bring back memories. They
may not be good memories….
Ric,
Brings back memories of the mess when a careless operator drops a tray of cards in the middle of a 50,000 card job stream input. And how my handwriting was permanently ruined by years of printing my code onto punch card input forms. Thankfully two finger typing on keyboards replaced all that in 1975 – for me anyway at JCU NQ – and of course on a DEC-10 (who else but Unis used them anyway :-)).
From benjaminvallen1 (07:20:12) :
I wasn’t alive then, but if you look back in the seventies, it was Global cooling. Does anyone remember that? No, probably not
-end quote […]
Unfortunately, I’m old enough to have very clear personal memories of it. Guess who was doing the fear mongering? Yup, the same Hansen…
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/19/nasa-scientists-predicted-new-ice-age-1971
The tenth of the month and still no GISS update.
I guess they’re really checkin’ their naughts and guzintas this month.
E.M.Smith (23:51:33) :
From benjaminvallen1 (07:20:12) :
I wasn’t alive then, but if you look back in the seventies, it was Global cooling. Does anyone remember that? No, probably not
-end quote […]
Unfortunately, I’m old enough to have very clear personal memories of it. Guess who was doing the fear mongering? Yup, the same Hansen…
As am I, unfortunately your memory is clouded. Hansen did no fear mongering on that topic, he was working on a model of the Venusian atmosphere and provided a colleague, Rasool, with a light scattering subroutine! End of story.
Just anecdotal. December in southern Greece still mild, highs in the 16+C lows around 9C. Got the first real rain after a year 5cm, and my holiday cottage roof leaked :).
Phil. (19:52:20) :
E.M.Smith (23:51:33) :
“Unfortunately, I’m old enough to have very clear personal memories of it. Guess who was doing the fear mongering? Yup, the same Hansen…”
As am I, unfortunately your memory is clouded.
The “it” of which I have personal memories is the “global ice age coming” stories and they are quite unclouded. The Hansen connection I only have via reports in (ostensibly reputable papers like) Investors Business Daily. This link quotes the IBD story
http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/09/global_warmer_h.html
IBD comments:
It’s clear that Hansen is as much a political animal as he is a scientist. Did he switch from one approaching cataclysm to another because he thought it would be easier to sell to the public? Was it a career advancement move or an honest change of heart on science, based on empirical evidence?
From
http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/daveinboca/2007/09/23/old_washington_post_article_finds_nasa_climatologist_hansen_plumping_for_global_cooling
we have:
Sustained emissions over five to 10 years, Rasool claimed, “could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
Aiding Rasool’s research, the Post reported, was a “computer program developed by Dr. James Hansen,” who was, according to his resume, a Columbia University research associate at the time.
The IBD original is at:
http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=275267681833290
And I did find a CA article in which Hansen claims that he only had a little part in writing some subroutines.
I don’t see where there is much conflict between these stories. “On a team” vs only wrote code…