UAH satellite derived global anomaly out – up a bit

Like RSS, UAH lower troposphere global temperature anomaly also went up in November, which was to be expected:

2008 10 0.166

2008 11 0.254

More later…

87 thoughts on “UAH satellite derived global anomaly out – up a bit

  1. i would have liked to have seen it go down a bit…but at least its not the deadly TWO DEGREES!!! (scary music)…
    btw, has anyone seen the discovery channel lately? every other commercial is one of those stupid reality commercials and lets not forget the hour long special they have on tonight called…wait for it….”hot planet.” starring none other than our own james hansen (pictures of earth on fire -litterally- included)…..it makes me mad to think they can get away with this unmitigated trash.

  2. Just to repeat my earlier comment which didn’t have a home, now there’s a better place for it: This month is very significant: UAH now has 30 years of data, so Happy Birthday UAH!.
    http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/uah/plot/uah/trend
    The linear trend over that time is 0.38K, or 0.13K/decade, 1.3K/century.
    I’m looking forward to next month when RSS also has 30 years of data, because that gives me a full 30 years of overlapping data to construct WTI.

  3. Anthony,
    Why do you say “which was to be expected”?
    During November Europe had a lot of early snow and Australia had even snow in their summer. Where was the unseasonable warmer weather to compensate for all this?

  4. Chris: I think he said that because RSS temperatures have been going up recently. Concerning your other question: Russia and many parts of the NH had a really hot November. The NH anomaly is very positive, the SH one being much smaller.

  5. Paul Clark,
    It would be great feature if your (awesome) site would also provide a linear equation to go with the OLS fit, or at least a slope. I link to your graphs all the time.

  6. “…it makes me mad to think they can get away with this unmitigated trash.”
    Why?…religion’s been doing this since the dawn of….well…religion.
    JimB

  7. It was expected because RSS was also up slightly for November. So we see UAH global anomaly at about a quarter of a degree above the average. I am going to go out on a limb and say that we will see pretty much the same as we saw with UAH … cooling in the Northern Hemisphere and warming in the Southern with North America cooling from last month.

  8. Let’s face it, November was brutally hot!!!!! *
    If you take the January – November average from 1979 – 2008 it was the 18th hottest year in 4.5 billion year history of the world (OK just in the last 30 years). I’m pretty sure we’re all going to die (I’m even more confident about this statement).
    I wonder what NASA will claim. Hopefully they will be more careful this month but I bet you they will claim another big difference even when adjusting for the base period.
    * Yes I am being sarcastic.

  9. A caveat seems in order for assuming that 30-yr trends have particular significance, just because that is the standard period for climatic “norms.” In fact, they–along with all sub-centennial trends– vary much too much to provide any reliable indication of future temperatures. It can be shown analytically that the linear trend given by regression is no more than a crude band-pass filter, whose output lags multidecadal oscillations by several years and has rather undesirable amplitude response characteristics.

  10. November was very warm over most of the western US. However, December has become much more seasonable.

  11. Stophotair says:

    Uhhhh…try looking at Eastern Europe, Russia and Siberia.
    It was very warm there.

    So, was that 20C, 30C? How hot exactly?

  12. I’d think a mere 1.3K/century increase in global atmospheric temp., according to the only fairly reliable way to measure temperatures, should be hailed as “sustainable” – that is, praised as reassuring – instead of disasterized, especially as compared to lesser rates of temp. rise, which might herald a turn toward Global Cooling, which itself would surely produce a real disaster to living things. In fact, for a mere $10 billion I will assemble a bunch of scientists who will convince Journalists that this is exactly what we want to see!
    h/t woodfortrees

  13. HadSST2 for November is interesting. SH sea temperature anomalies have dipped back below the average for the year so far, an average that was already the coldest since 1996 by some way.
    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadsst2sh.txt
    NH anomalies have continued to drop too, by ~0.1C a month in the last two months.
    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadsst2nh.txt
    Globally, SST anomalies were just +0.228 for November
    http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/hadsst2gl.txt
    [baseline = 1961-1990 for all anomalies]
    Interesting questions:
    (1) why does the land appear to have warmed while the oceans have cooled?
    (2) why does UAH show warming over the oceans (by 0.09C globally) while ocean surface temperatures have cooled?
    http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/uahncdc.lt
    I’m asking these questions somewhat rhetorically as I already have an opinion on the answers (partly involving the -ve PDO and mechanisms by which it could achieve cooling). But thought I’d just throw these ideas into the mix for now anyway. Don’t really have much time at the moment to get deeper into this……
    Note: for graphs see
    http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadsst2/diagnostics/index.html

  14. The Discovery Channel will respond to viewer input just like the rest of the media. What is needed is an e-mail campaign that challenges their propaganda with real science.

  15. Note: “An Inquirer” was responding to the earlier Chris (“Chris Schoneveld”).
    The question I’m interested in concerns divergence between Hadley SST anomalies (down ~0.1C in November) and UAH Satellite-derived lower troposphere temps over the oceans (up ~0.1C in November) and land, and what this might suggest about whether the UAH jump in temps represents (on a monthly scale) a global warming, or a global heat loss.

  16. Russ (10:14:20) :
    Warm in Siberia? I think that is really funny for some reason.
    FYI: Verhojansk temp per Wx Underground -60F (as of 13:00EST)

  17. Uhhhh…try looking at Eastern Europe, Russia and Siberia.
    It was very warm there.

    And unseasonably cool in other places. Obviously it aint “global”.

  18. November warm in the Western US? This doesn’t include anything East of the Rockies does it? On the warm in Siberia point I wonder if that’s true? Satellite photos seem to show snow cover very extensive, huge sections of Northern China have had lots of early snow. I am getting way to skeptical. whatever it is where you are I am freezing and it has been absolutely brutally cold where ever I am. Maybe I am having the same effect as Al Gore seems to.

  19. Paul Clark

    The linear trend over that time is 0.38K, or 0.13K/decade, 1.3K/century.

    .13k per decade starting in the coldest year in the last 50.

  20. Climate protesters demand swifter U.N. action
    http://www.reuters.com/article/environmentNews/idUSTRE4B51H120081206?feedType=RSS&feedName=environmentNews
    POZNAN, Poland (Reuters) – Thousands of climate protesters, some dressed as polar bears, devils or penguins, demanded on Saturday swifter action from the United Nations to combat global warming.
    Others carried pictures of seas inundating cities and villages, and the suited hand of a businessman squeezing the planet.
    “It’s not a matter for negotiators, it’s a matter for politicians. They are the ones who have been blocking the whole process,” said Rae-Kwon Chung, South Korea’s climate change ambassador, adding that he was unaware of the event outside.
    Yes, indeed, it is no longer a matter for science – the science is settled. The subject is no longer negotiable. It is now in the realm of political agreement (negotiation?) as to the best way to serve individual personal political interests, i.e., the maximization of personal wealth, under the guise of saving the planet for ALL of us.

  21. November 2008 Update on Global Temperature – UAH
    http://digitaldiatribes.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/november-2008-update-on-global-temperature-uah/
    There certainly does seem to be somewhat of an upward tick from earlier in the year, but current temperatures are still tracking below year-ago levels. The current upward trend probably is related to a neutral ENSO value. Unless an El Nino is on the way, or there is more unwinding in average temperature affects from the diminishing La Nina, it appears that this is probably about the level we’re settling into, absent other effects. It will be interesting to see what future months hold if the ENSO effects stay neutral.

  22. JimB (09:04:57) :
    Why?…religion’s been doing this since the dawn of….well…religion.
    JimB
    Wasn’t that about 6000 years ago? 😀

  23. Chris:
    “Interesting questions:
    (1) why does the land appear to have warmed while the oceans have cooled?
    (2) why does UAH show warming over the oceans (by 0.09C globally) while ocean surface temperatures have cooled?

    I have a theory/hypothesis, incompletely baked, but nonetheless a theory as to why this may occur.
    Recently we’ve had ‘rapid’ build up of sea ice, in the NH, after the summer melt. For ice to form from liquid water a large amount of energy ( Latent heat of fusion ) needs to be removed from the liquid ie transported elsewhere. Some of this thermal energy will go into the surrounding water and some to the air.
    When the ice is first forming and thin, I suspect that the air is the main recipient of this energy and thanks to its lower, than water, specific heat capacity will show a significant rise in temperature. Surface or near surface convection will result in an upward movement of energy. Air currents and prevailing wind will aid in the transport of this ‘lost’ energy.
    As the ice thickens I’d guess that that increased insulation means that less energy is transferred to the air.
    When frost forms (and I’ve seen plenty of that this last fortnight in shivering Scotland) I’m guessing that this sublimation (from water vapour to ice) also releases large amounts of energy to both host surfaces and the containing air.
    If these mechanisms are broadly correct then when sub-zero areas first experience their seasonal cold snaps we could expect , initially, air temperatures to paradoxically rise. The area in question is indeed cooling – ie It is losing energy- but a major mechanism for the transport of this energy is by the surrounding air that thanks to its mobility and refusal to change state is correctly measured as being warmer. Perhaps (and I say this somewhat tongue in cheek) the first sign of Global Cooling is Global Warming – or at least for areas of the Globe that commonly experience temperatures below the freezing point of water (fresh or saline)
    I think that the above may partly explain (1) above- although perhaps the word Land could be relaced by the word Air. I’ll leave question 2 for the time being – I kind of feel that the definition of ocean temperatures, never mind how it can be measured, is beyond me.
    It is well known that when ice melts, latent heat energy is transported elsewhere and given the arguments above it may be surmised that heat is also released into the atmosphere as an area warms.
    Logically, if my premises are correct, my conclusions are (when applied to ‘sub-zero’ areas (NH and SH) – other regions are excluded due to minimal water state changes :
    (1) Ice formation is accompanied by initial warming by depletion of energy capital
    (2) Ice creation is accompanied by enhanced warming by both depletion of energy capital and increased energy inflow ( that caused the melting in the first place)
    and (3) Using increases in temperature for regions of the earth that exhibit predominantly ‘sub-zero’ temperatures – Latent/sublimation magnitudes- to be matched with more temperate climate temperature reductions (specific heat of ‘air’) is inconsistent with the law of Conservation of Energy!
    When was the Law of Conservation Of Temperature discovered?
    I’m sure that my thinking has to be flawed somewhere but for the life of me I can’t see it. Can anyone help an old baffled Scotsman.
    >>>To Anthony – sorry about my seemingly angry rant last week about Ice-throwing wind-turbines- I didn’t mean it that way but, somehow, the mental imagery of ‘saving the planet’ green-machines raining down death and destruction got the better of me- it appealed to my Monty Python gland of humour! Apologies

  24. SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA – December 8, 2008 (OWSweather.com) Rare 50 year Arctic Blast Sets Sights On Southern California.
    http://www.owsweather.com/pr120808a.html
    “We are in a pre-1950 type pattern, “said Martin. “We know we are due for a winter storm sometime this year. The type we may be dealing with will be ranked up there with the known years before 1950, which set record low daytime temperatures into the forecast region. With this, may come low elevation snow.”
    “Temperatures in Siberia, Russia will be -81 degrees this week, “said Martin. “With those type of temperatures the arctic air mass has to spill somewhere. Our answer of the exact track will become more clear this week. All residents in the mountain communities should prepare this week for very cold, winter weather, with snow.”

  25. Heat wells up from the ocean deep, winds carry over land, surface warms. Heat again wells up from the oceans, winds carry over land, surface warms, and so on and so forth.
    If ocean heat content does not continually increase, can it be expected for land surface temperature to continue to rise? How long does it take for oceans to release their heat to where the surface will continually cool?
    What warms the oceans? What mitigates this heat from reaching the oceans? What actually keeps us warm, oceans or atmosphere?
    So many questions.

  26. Personally I would like to see it warm up another 20 degrees in my area right now. Gulf temps in the low 60’s so no swimming, cold morning temps so I have to wear long pants and long sleeve shirts on the golf course, cold enough so I have to shut my windows at sundown. I actually had to put the heat on once or twice in the last couple of weeks. Can’t understand why everyone doesn’t know that warm is good, warm is good, warm is good.

  27. Chris: Personally, I wouldn’t be too concerned about month-to-month differences between UAH and HADSST data sets. As you said yourself, one is an estimate of SST while the other is of TLT over the oceans. Even the two sources of SST data, the Hadley Centre for HADSST and the NCDC for ERSST.v2, ERSST.v3, and OI.v2 SST can be different. They use different techniques to infill missing data. There are also differences between ERSST.v2, ERSST.v3, and OI.v2 SST versions from NCDC on a monthly basis. Large step changes in one, such as the change in HADSST after the 97/98 El Nino, that don’t appear in the other data sets should raise flags, though.

  28. Ed Scott: Regarding your 13:28:13 comment, you also have to consider the time lag between NINO3.4 SST anomalies and global temperature. The lag is in the neighborhood of 3 to 5 months. Using the OI.v2 SST data as reference, this year NINO3.4 SST anomalies rose to just about 0.1 deg C and ended that uptick in July. Then it took a downturn.
    http://i35.tinypic.com/r88rib.jpg

  29. Why sequester CO2 gas, which is good for agriculture, reforestation
    http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/6795
    Why are we going to spend trillions of dollars sequestering CO2 to mitigate global atmospheric warming, while our empirically-tested temperature models (e.g., see “Greenhouse Gases and Greenhouse Effect”, published in the last issue of Environmental Geology, or “Cooling of Atmosphere Due to CO2 Emission”, published this year in Energy Sources Journal) shows that increasing concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere causes cooling rather than warming?
    In the dense earth’s troposphere, the heat from the Earth’s surface is mostly transferred by convection, approximately 67%. Radiation accounts for approximately 8%. Why is this important fact ignored by most scientists?
    Also, why do peaks in the solar irradiation precede the peaks in the CO2 concentration in atmosphere? The answer is that as the temperature increases, CO2 evaporates from the ocean water, which is a great storehouse of CO2. Is the cause and effect reversed in the mind of many scientists? What is the common cause of “simultaneous” warming on Earth, Mars, Pluto and Jupiter? This is more than coincidence.
    Any attempts to mitigate undesirable climate changes using restrictive regulations are doomed to failure because the global forces of nature are at least 4-5 orders of magnitude greater than the available human controls (e.g., see recently published, 2007, book by Elsevier Publishing Co. entitled :Global Warming and Global Cooling. Evolution of Climate on Earth”).
    Unfortunately the “Global Warming” issue has become an emotionally-, politically-, and economically-motivated issue that has warped into a form of religious dogma founded on erroneous perceptual beliefs in the face of contradicting facts. Like a religion, it is becoming a sacred cow, impossible to touch.
    There are 400,000,000 impossible to touch sacred cows in Dr. Pachaui’s India. The good doctor faces a dilemma: the conflict between the religion of global warming and a religion that reveres bovines. This is actually no problem for a confirmed hypocrite.

  30. Chris (10:03:34)
    (2) why does UAH show warming over the oceans (by 0.09C globally) while ocean surface temperatures have cooled?
    My guess is: more rain than usual over the oceans. The latent heat of the condensed water vapor is left in the lower troposphere and will eventually radiate into space.
    To question (1): I am not too familiar with the Hadley data, are land surface temperatures for November out already?

  31. Indeed it was quit warm here in the Canadian Prairies in October as well as in November.
    The odd thing was GISS depicted the Prairies as normal or even below normal in the temperature representation on the globe for October meanwhile UAH had the Prairies warmer as measured by the local weather stations.
    It will be interesting how GISS will report the temperatures for November.
    On a side note Greenpeace had a global warming demonstration here yesterday and it happened to be the first day in a long time that temperatures dropped below average.

  32. Siberia hasn’t been warm through November. I have been looking at it everyday. Much colder than Canada’s North. Right now Ojmjakon, Russia is -53C. European Russia was warm in November, but I won’t believe that Siberia was warm. What are HadCRUT and GISS using for historic Siberian weather data? I don’t believe they have any and are making it up. I haven’t kept a record but it seems to me that Asia has had snow cover since sometime in October down to 50 degrees North latitude. http://www.natice.noaa.gov/pub/ims_gif/DATA/ see cursnow.gif.

  33. Of course, the NCDC predicts that a large area of the midwest / plains will see above normal temperatures for the Dec – Feb period. Note also that it predicts no one should see much below temperatures.
    http://www.weather.gov/climate/l3mto.php
    I am planning to follow a few cities in the 50% chances to see how their prediction, which they NEVER explain, turn out.

  34. “” DR (14:58:00) :
    What warms the oceans? What mitigates this heat from reaching the oceans? What actually keeps us warm, oceans or atmosphere? “”
    73% of the earth’s surface is water mostly oceans. Water reflects 2% of the normal incident sunlight, actually out to about 53% from normal, (Fresnel reflection) and then it increases as the angle increases, so overall, the surface reflects about 3% of incident solar radiation, back out into space. The remaining 97% propagates into the water, with the highest energy blue green near the solar spectrum peak going deepest, and shorter and longer wavelengths being absorbed shallower; but ultimately something absorbs all of that 97% except in shallow waters where bottom reflections let some out again. That energy is deposited tens to hundreds of meters below the surface, and warms the local water, causing a convective drive back towards the surface. Of course severe weather will stir things up and interfere with this pattern. some of the heat will conduct to deeper waters; but generally convection trumps conduction (think of your car’s engine cooling system)
    In addition infrared thermal radiation from the atmosphere, including GHG and clouds strikes the suarface and once again about 73% of that is going to hit water, and be absorbeds in the top ten microns, unlike the soar radiation which goes deep. That generally results in the prompt evaporation of moisture into the atmosphere.
    On land, the solar radiation capture is not as efficient as over water, and some tens of percent is reflected even from things like rocks, and it can be 40% off vegetation.
    The solid ground typically gets a lot hotter than the ocean surface so the infrared radiation from land can be more than from the ocean, except the ocean never gets colder than a few degrees below zero (C) whereas the land can get down to -90 C.
    Most of the cooling of the planet takes place in broad daylight; not at night, because conduction, convection, evaporation and radiation are all much more efficient whent eh source temperature is higher which is under the noonday sun.
    Urban heat islands of the concrete and asphalt kind, are also among the more efficient cooling surfaces.
    Your car’s engine wouldn’t cool anywhere near as well as it does, if it wasn’t pressurised to raise the temperature, which makes the radiator work much more efficiently. The polar regions are too cold to be efficient cooling systems, and the infrared radiant emittance can be a factor of 12 less than what it is in the hottest deserts.

  35. Well I’ll be darned. NWS is predicting freezing pipes. That’s new. This weekend Washington, Idaho, and Oregon, and beyond will be hit with an Arctic cold front that has precip in it. They are warning us to prepare exposed pipes and be prepared to drive in accumulated snow. It’s about time (like where the hell were they over this last weekend?). They are also forcasting snow on the Columbia basin floor. Places with snow on the ground could see below 0 F at night. Maybe they are beginning to think “cooler”?

  36. Ed Scott (15:32:49)
    “There are 400,000,000 impossible to touch sacred cows in Dr. Pachaui’s India”
    Holy Cow! (hand slaps forehead), I had not checked to see if that is a forcing input in the Climate Models.
    R John (16:33:36):
    “…their prediction, which they NEVER explain…..”
    Maybe you should consider hiring a proctologist with a flashlight to examine their processes.

  37. Of course, the NCDC predicts that a large area of the midwest / plains will see above normal temperatures for the Dec – Feb period. Note also that it predicts no one should see much below temperatures.

    Which is why it was 12f on Friday in Kansas City, KS. Above normal. Riiight.

  38. It will be interesting to see how the current strong La Nina event effects temperature over the next 6-12 months. My guess is we will see temperatures fall to below the LTA for 1st half of 2009 as there is usually a delay between the SOI and associated temperature impact as we saw in early 2008.
    Also, I’m still waiting for some comments (Mr Watts) regarding the drop in the Planetary AP index for November. I’ve never seen the index so low before. For me, this is the stand-out from all November data since I was expecting a slight increase with Solar Cycle-24 becoming more active.
    Cosmic Ray implications ?
    It looks very likely !

  39. Waiting for a big snow this weekend in NE Oregon.NOAA’s seems a bit reluctant to go out on a limb here,but plenty of snow in the Mountains around here.Nasty pass travelling too.Have an old friend in Traverse City Mi. who has a place on the bay on Lk.Superior,Icing up very very early there….

  40. So where’s the Big Snow Job – Poznan or the Northern USA???
    Inquiring minds would like to know.
    REPLY: check the screen – Anthony

  41. ICE on lakes is just another CO2 signal…less CO2 in the water raises the freezing point above 32 degrees. (smile) Sounds just as good as many other theories. LOL In fact, I expect that water will start freezing at 40 degrees in the near future as global temps continue to rise. The CO2 has risen so high in fact it’s blocking out the sun spots.

  42. That’s clever, Anthony! Snow falling across my screen.
    But which way is the wind really blowing? On IE8 and Chrome this snow falls from left to right, but on Firefox:, right to left?

  43. Old Framer’s 2009 Almanac ( only correct 80%-85% of the time)
    Lower lakes;
    Dec 2008 below avg temp, Jan 2009 below avg temp, Feb 2009 below avg temp
    Ohio vally;
    Dec 2008 below avg temp, Jan 2009 above avg temp, Feb 2009 below avg temp
    Upper Midwest;
    Dec 2008 below avg temp, Jan 2009 above avg temp, Feb 2009 above avg temp
    Hartland;
    Texas-Oklahoma;
    Dec 2008 below avg temp, Jan 2009 above avg temp, Feb 2009 below avg temp
    High Plains;
    Dec 2008 below avg temp, Jan 2009 above avg temp, Feb 2009 above avg temp
    The question
    Will the three months avg temp be above or below “normal” temperature? Only time will tell.(and, of course, how much “add-justments” are done.)

  44. jeez (19:56:38) : “Al Gore was here for a short visit.”
    Now, now, jeez; this is Christmas, Please give Santa his due. Leave old misery-guts to his C02 and Santa to decking the halls with holly and snow.

  45. From Roger Carr (19:30:33) :
    That’s clever, Anthony! Snow falling across my screen.
    But which way is the wind really blowing? On IE8 and Chrome this snow falls from left to right, but on Firefox:, right to left?
    -end quote
    If you wait long enough, the wind shifts and the snow changes direction. I’ve had both right and left on the same browser (or else Safari is ambidexterous?)
    from jeez (19:56:38) :
    Al Gore was here for a short visit.
    -end quote
    No, just using his name is enough to invoke the Gore Effect!

  46. When I say “Al Gore” I throw salt over my left shoulder and spin in a circle 3x to avoid the “Gore Effect”.
    Apparently typing his name makes no difference – whoops now it’s snowing…

  47. Roger Carr wrote:
    That’s clever, Anthony! Snow falling across my screen.
    But which way is the wind really blowing? On IE8 and Chrome this snow falls from left to right, but on Firefox:, right to left?

    I think it’s random. I had one tab where it was falling from right to left, and another tab where it was left to right.

  48. Katherine (20:41:09) :

    Roger Carr wrote:
    That’s clever, Anthony! Snow falling across my screen.
    But which way is the wind really blowing? On IE8 and Chrome this snow falls from left to right, but on Firefox:, right to left?
    I think it’s random. I had one tab where it was falling from right to left, and another tab where it was left to right.

    Source code is at http://s2.wordpress.com/wp-content/plugins/snow/snowstorm.js at initialization time it picks a random speed for the wind.
    There are a maximum of 60 snowflakes on the screen at once.
    CPU usage on my system pegs at 100% when it’s running, but I can stop
    Javascript and CPU load drops back.

  49. Above average temperatures in Russia always make me think about the rumour, that during the time of the Soviet Union, temperature were readings were manipulated downwards to receive higher subsidies from the central government.
    Maybe this website may some day reach people who were involved in these historic temperature readings and tell if the rumour is true or not.

  50. Patrick Henry: You can get the slope and offset from the ‘data’ link below the graph. I have a wishlist item to put it into the legend on the graph, but that involves some ‘plumbing’ behind the scenes that I don’t have yet.
    Others, w.r.t 30 years: Agreed it’s not long enough to include the PDO etc. – use HADCRUT3 for that. But it is what we have, 30 years has always been a significant period for WMO etc. and they deserve some credit for getting it this far! I’m looking forward to *really* getting some answers in 2038, assuming the world doesn’t end when the time_t’s wrap on 19th Jan.

  51. Paul,
    You made an old guy with 41 years of IT development time go and research what the time_t problem was. Most of my work in the last 20 years has been Windoze where time is normally an 8 byte thingy. Interesting…. 🙂

  52. Doug Jones (03:45:07) :

    You made an old guy with 41 years of IT development time go and research what the time_t problem was. Most of my work in the last 20 years has been Windoze where time is normally an 8 byte thingy. Interesting…. 🙂

    Hmm, are you the Doug Jones Google finds with a PDP-10 past? Perhaps I should’ve searched for DATE75.

  53. I wish I had become a meteorologist… I took the class my last year in college to fulfill a nat science elective and loved the class…got into all that stuff that creates weather, wind, storms etc… But alas it was too late… I’m a marketer! LOL
    But I like your site…It gets over my head often…you guys start using words that I’d swear you’re making up..LOL
    Anyway…I don’t think there’s a doubt we’re having an effect on the planet…and there’s also no doubt in my mind that some day, one of our generations will have to bear the brunt of our actions today..
    I suppose there are extremists on both sides, but they balance each other out…for every Al Gore, there’s a Rush Limbaugh…whos’ answer is…”the Earth will work it out!” Yeah…it sure will, and we won’t be around to see it happen! LOL
    Anyway…keep up the good work…Here in Louisville, it’s windy..very…getting ready to storm, then turn cold…Here in the MW it’s amazing how quickly temps can drop…Of course all of you know what that happens…but having lived in SoCal where temps never do this kind of thing…it’s kinda amazing to experience…be in shorts one day and parka the next…
    I bet the Indians in these parts really thought they pissed off some God when this kinda thing happened…
    Peace

  54. A bit off topic…but Gore is in the news:
    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/08/obama.gore/index.html
    “”The Gore trip is for more than just a chat,” a close friend of Gore told CNN’s John King. “He wouldn’t burn that much carbon flying to Chicago just to talk.” ”
    Amazing that these fools can make statements like that and people actually let them go unchallenged. With all the reports of Gore’s carbon footprint, you’d think that even CNN would raise an eyebrow at that.
    JimB

  55. Hmm. This gives you an interesting perspective on how all this global warming is going on. yeah, right. Global Warming is just another environmentalist ploy to get more influence over the government and business supported by the college-failure named Al Gore trying to keep himself famous.
    I wasn’t alive then, but if you look back in the seventies, it was Global cooling. Does anyone remember that? No, probably not because that’s not something people, especially the media, like to talk about.

  56. Manfred makes a good point, it agrees with something I had been told previously, temperatures across the USSR were manipulated to be lower than they were to earn the area more fuel for heating. So the Soviet era may tend to have lower than real temperatures recorded for much of the twentieth century.

  57. Mike Bryant (19:47:59) :
    “Is it snowing here at WUWT or did I pick up a virus?”
    Not a virus but yet another example of man made climate chaos. ;-/

  58. I am not a scientist or a statistician so please bear with a couple of elementary questions:
    When you say the “lower troposphere global temperature anomoly”, to what are you referring? Specifically, to what altitude does the lower troposhere go?
    The reason why I ask is that I was at 40,000′ (FL 400) last night over the eastern US and the temperature outside was -65. While I haven’t kept any records, I’d say that the temperature usually runs between -45 and -55 in the 35,000-45,000 altitude range. This year I’ve been seeing temps in the -60s frequently.
    Does this information add anything useful to your discussion?
    Thanks
    Tim

  59. Tim F (12:36:18) :

    When you say the “lower troposphere global temperature anomaly”, to what are you referring? Specifically, to what altitude does the lower troposhere go?

    It’s about 3,300 feet (1 km) See http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutemps
    and slide your mouse over the scale on the left.

    The reason why I ask is that I was at 40,000′ (FL 400) last night over the eastern US and the temperature outside was -65. While I haven’t kept any records, I’d say that the temperature usually runs between -45 and -55 in the 35,000-45,000 altitude range. This year I’ve been seeing temps in the -60s frequently.
    Does this information add anything useful to your discussion?

    Probably not – some people were predicting the highly amplified jet stream we have now as being in place for a lot of the winter. The Jet stream dives south through the plains and come north just off the coast. In the trough in between, Arctic can come down and that’s what you’re flying through.
    Pretty cold down here on the ground, too!

  60. Ric Werme (05:53:44) :
    Ric, 41 years in the game makes me think minimising my appearance in computer databases is possibly worthwhile, so Google probably won’t find me 🙂
    But yes, some experience of PDP-10 in the lineup. By date75 perhaps you are talking about DEC’s own year 2000 bug of 18-May-1997 (and the 9999 days involved) ?? I think some of my own PC commercial software has its own independently developed 2030’s bug but I doubt I will need (or be here) to worry about it.
    Six years with the Aussie Bureau of Meteorology’s “supercomputers” (of the time – IBM 360/65s) together with many, many years of sailing have taught me a bit about the weather. Hence the gravitation to Anthony’s site. Been lurking here for some time and always appreciate your comments.
    Have fun.

  61. Doug Jones (20:01:04) :
    > Ric Werme (05:53:44) :
    > But yes, some experience of PDP-10 in the lineup. By date75 perhaps you are talking about DEC’s own year 2000 bug of 18-May-1997
    No, the monitor (OS) had a 12 bit field for the date that overflowed in 1975.
    The fix was to add three more bits to it.
    > Six years with the Aussie Bureau of Meteorology’s “supercomputers” (of the time – IBM 360/65s)
    Ah – you probably aren’t the Doug Jones (at the Univ. of Iowa) I expected.
    His http://www.cs.uiowa.edu/~jones/cards/ will bring back memories. They
    may not be good memories….

  62. Ric,
    Brings back memories of the mess when a careless operator drops a tray of cards in the middle of a 50,000 card job stream input. And how my handwriting was permanently ruined by years of printing my code onto punch card input forms. Thankfully two finger typing on keyboards replaced all that in 1975 – for me anyway at JCU NQ – and of course on a DEC-10 (who else but Unis used them anyway :-)).

  63. The tenth of the month and still no GISS update.
    I guess they’re really checkin’ their naughts and guzintas this month.

  64. E.M.Smith (23:51:33) :
    From benjaminvallen1 (07:20:12) :
    I wasn’t alive then, but if you look back in the seventies, it was Global cooling. Does anyone remember that? No, probably not
    -end quote […]
    Unfortunately, I’m old enough to have very clear personal memories of it. Guess who was doing the fear mongering? Yup, the same Hansen…

    As am I, unfortunately your memory is clouded. Hansen did no fear mongering on that topic, he was working on a model of the Venusian atmosphere and provided a colleague, Rasool, with a light scattering subroutine! End of story.

  65. Just anecdotal. December in southern Greece still mild, highs in the 16+C lows around 9C. Got the first real rain after a year 5cm, and my holiday cottage roof leaked :).

  66. Phil. (19:52:20) :
    E.M.Smith (23:51:33) :
    “Unfortunately, I’m old enough to have very clear personal memories of it. Guess who was doing the fear mongering? Yup, the same Hansen…”
    As am I, unfortunately your memory is clouded.

    The “it” of which I have personal memories is the “global ice age coming” stories and they are quite unclouded. The Hansen connection I only have via reports in (ostensibly reputable papers like) Investors Business Daily. This link quotes the IBD story
    http://www.moonbattery.com/archives/2007/09/global_warmer_h.html
    IBD comments:
    It’s clear that Hansen is as much a political animal as he is a scientist. Did he switch from one approaching cataclysm to another because he thought it would be easier to sell to the public? Was it a career advancement move or an honest change of heart on science, based on empirical evidence?
    From
    http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/story/daveinboca/2007/09/23/old_washington_post_article_finds_nasa_climatologist_hansen_plumping_for_global_cooling
    we have:
    Sustained emissions over five to 10 years, Rasool claimed, “could be sufficient to trigger an ice age.”
    Aiding Rasool’s research, the Post reported, was a “computer program developed by Dr. James Hansen,” who was, according to his resume, a Columbia University research associate at the time.
    The IBD original is at:
    http://www.ibdeditorials.com/IBDArticles.aspx?id=275267681833290
    And I did find a CA article in which Hansen claims that he only had a little part in writing some subroutines.
    I don’t see where there is much conflict between these stories. “On a team” vs only wrote code…

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