Even though little change has been seen, there is some interesting news in the August RSS numbers. We are still cooler than one year ago, and the 12 month trend continues to drop.
The RSS (Remote Sensing Systems of Santa Rosa, CA) Microwave Sounder Unit (MSU) lower troposphere global temperature anomaly data for August 2008 was published today and has remained essentially unchanged, with a value of 0.146°C for a miniscule change (∆T) of -0.001°C globally from July 2008.
RSS
2008 1 -0.070
2008 2 -0.002
2008 3 0.079
2008 4 0.080
2008 5 -0.083
2008 6 0.035
2008 7 0.147
2008 8 0.146
The August 2008 number is 0.221°C lower than in August of 2007 which was 0.367°C
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The RSS data is here (RSS Data Version 3.1)
While is was going to do my own analysis of the numbers, Walter Dnes did an excellent job of summarizing it all in comments on another thread, so I’ll give him the honor:
This brings down the 12-month running mean to +0.086, which is very slightly lower than the +0.091 12-month running mean to the end of November 1987. That’s almost 21 years ago.
What I’m really waiting for is Hadley and GISS 12-month means to drop below their 1995 values. Hadley might make it in the next couple of months. GISS by year end. Once we get annual means matching temperatures on the other side of 1998, global cooling will be undeniable.
We do indeed live in interesting times.
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As long as we are near the modern peak temperature newspapers will keep reporting things like 5th hotest ever, 8th hottest ever and so on. But if temperature still refuse to increase the next years and recover it’s climb upwards to 0.6 – 0.8C annual anomaly it will be harder and harder to claim we are heading towards AGW-future of any significance. Also newsopaper will have a harder time to find record temperatures to report about.
If temperature should have kept increasing as expected by AGW ppl we would have roughly 0.5-0.6C anomaly now but we don’t. Looking back in the last 30 years of RSS/UAH data it is also clear that the temparature increase and decrease quite much and the dips can last for years. So if this is just a dip before we will resume the climb upwards again it could take up to 2 years more before we will know if this is a permanent shift against cooler/stalled warming or just a short break.
Until then AGW ppl will have no problem just claiming this is just a short time dip, which could be true. Time and nature will give the eventual answer on that question no matter what the models say.
Alex. Bluntly – no. The sun has got his shades on for one thing. The cyclomania so abhorrent to real scientists is biting and will continue for many decades.
Photosynthesis is a cooling process. The CO2 delta will experience some bumpiness as levels adjust to lowering temperatures and take-up by vegetation. It takes two to tango.
Lag is nearly everything.
Why is it that the temperature delta compared to the reference period is caller “anomaly”? It’s not abnormal, it’s a variation. The use of the term anomaly, especially when the temperatures are (still) higher than the reference period, seems to mean that the variation has to be attributed to abnormal factors, such as GW.
Just saw this new evidence!
Native elders in Alaska on climate change!
It is global cooling!
“Once we get annual means matching temperatures on the other side of 1998, global cooling will be undeniable.”
Except… not? This plays into this ridiculous notion that “global warming stopped after 1998.” Once again, 1998 was an extreme anomaly heavily influenced by a significant El Nino event. If anyone has any statistical experience, you might remember that the best way to treat a set of data with a significant outlier is to ignore the outlier when calculating trends.
If one follows this appropriate procedure, then there is still a distinct warming trend through late last year; one doesn’t need to calculate any best-fit lines because it’s apparent with the naked eye. The most recent dip is corroborated with a reversal to and from La Nina conditions. One doesn’t expect an instantaneous reversal of any pattern evolving from these conditions; it took how many months for the 1998 El Nino spike to reverse down to pre-spike levels?
Once again, it is way too early for skeptics to be popping champagne corks. There will be no evidence of “global cooling” until there is a plausible mechanism for such a reversal of phenomenon, and until there is a significant, multi-decadal negative trend to the temperature record. A dramatic reversal of CO2 trends would also signify global cooling; cold waters can dissolve more gas before becoming saturated, and a lowering of atmospheric CO2 is considered one of the necessary conditions for an ice age to occur.
rutger (01:10:47) :
I move that we recommend governments everywhere do something, anything, about August temperatures by the end of the current millennium. True, few of us who walk the good Earth today will be around for that glorious future, but we owe it to our children … of our children, of our children, of our children….
I’m telling ya’ll that the way the AGW crowd will deal with this, should the temperature trend go negative over the next few years is to more or less say, “LOOK!! An American Eagle.” Then, while we look, they’ll start talking about ‘Climate Chaos’ as though that is what the issue has always been. “Climate Chaos’ is wonderfully flexible, allowing them to claim that human increase in CO2 accounts for warming, cooling, stasis, slow increases, slow decreases, fast increases, and slow increases in planetary temperature and if we don’t ‘do something’ about it, it will just get worse.
I’ve already started getting this from my AGW friends (who alternately think I’m either amusingly daft or a sheep under the hypnotic sway of the American far right wing/industrial complex). “Oh, it’s really not about the warming, it’s that the climate is now chaotic and we’ll be seeing wild swings in temperatures (for the first time in history), more and increasingly violent ‘weather events’ (everything seems to be an ‘event’ now for some reason, it doesn’t just rain anymore, we have ‘precipitation events’, etc), etc. Since there are no scientific arguments and this appears to be simply a gratuitous assertion, there is little that can be provided by way of refutation, except, of course, the logical answer to a gratuitous assertion, which is a gratuitous negation.
Anyway, I bet we see more and more references to ‘climate chaos’ as time marches on.
and here is some news about NH ice
http://www.dailytech.com/Article.aspx?newsid=12851&red=y#340331 so I don’t know what to make of it cryosphere today (pixels versus the german site here;
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2008/09/the_arctic_is_now_an_island_of_1.html0
It seems to me from looking at this graph that yes indeed the temperature is on an upward slope for most of the time (30 years) but towards the end is starting to tale off. But one would think that if the climate is directly correlated with CO2 increase, as the greenies say it is, then there would not be large drops in temperature every couple years as seen in the graph along with whats happening now. Would i be wrong in saying that if it was correlated that there wouldnt be those big drops? I just dont see how they can make that gross assumption.
“All the scientific findings against AGW will never matter much, other than to scientists and the well informed such as we here, because AGW is not about science. It is about politics pure and simple.”
I am in danger of becoming a scratched record on this; it isn’t about politics, its about poor science. The variety of science that is mechanism lead, rather than data led.
The AGW scientists, the general public and the politicians have got “a mechanism”, namely increased CO2 causes increased temperature. The data gives very little support for this mechanism, but they have got their mechanism and like a terrier with a bone, they are sticking to it.
We sceptics have some possible mechaisms, cosmic rays, UV, etc. But to date I have not seen conclusive data proof of these mechanisms. In particular I haven’t seen any evidence to give a mechanism linking the recent decline in solar activity to the recent drop in temperatures.
Looking out of the window, on a grey cloudy, drizzly miserable London day (typical for October, but not early September), after the cloudiest August in recorded UK history, the mechanism seems pretty obvious.
I have scoured the internet for cloud cover data, but can’t find it.
Anthony, you are a meteorologist. Surely you and your colleagues can find the relevant cloud cover data (or UV data) etc and show the real mechanism for the recent cooling.
The day this proof is produced, the scientists, public and politicians will all change their minds.
Until then we will be ignored, but it is our own fault, instead of proving our own theories, we are merely attacking those of the AGW supporters, we only have ourselves to blame.
Well if you live in the southern hemisphere we are yet to see this so called warming everyone is talking about. Were feeling it, its in the stats and yet were being asked to lead the world in combating global warming – bah humbug!
“This brings down the 12-month running mean to +0.086, which is very slightly lower than the +0.091 12-month running mean to the end of November 1987. That’s almost 21 years ago.”
Are you serious on this? Discussing temperature anomalies of a 100th of a degree? Is that even beyond any tolerance?
Let me make it very clear, I’m a skeptic but this and the Arctic ice coverage is a complete nonsense and does not help the skeptics a bit.
Ever since this website decided to concentrate on sound bytes instead of the real issue it increases it’s traffic but unfortunately not ir’s creditbility.
Alex (00:01:13) :
“Could the decrease seen earlier this year be just another blip?”
Yes, the cooling at the beginning of the year was caused by the La Nina, temperatures are starting to rebound. If the theory that sunspot minima should result in cooling was correct then we wouldoff course be seeing a fall in temperatures. No mention anywhere on this blog of the 4,000 + year old Markham ice sheet breaking away from Ellesmere Island, or the study that reinforces the theory that global warming causes stronger hurricanes, typhoons and cyclones (the study showing that larger storms are more resistant to wind shear than smaller storms, the number of which has remained fairly constant). http://www.nature.com/news/2008/080903/full/news.2008.1079.html
Hurricane Ike will prove a good test of this as it encounters windshear as this looks a very large and intense storm.
Hopefully these will soon be points for discussion on this interesting blog.
This global warming is a strange phenomena. Cooler is a sign. Warming is a sign. Less ice is a sign. So is more ice. Higher precipitation is a sign. So is drougnt. Solid science. You have to love these geniuses.
Aars,
Concerning the Nature Magazine TC “Study”:
“The team statistically analysed satellite-derived data of cyclone wind speeds. Although there was hardly any increase in the average number or intensity of all storms, the team found a significant shift in distribution towards stronger storms that wreak the greatest havoc.”
Essientially, the scientists reanalysed and adjusted the TC intensity based on the subjective Dvorak Method. Funny how statistics always makes its way into these things. As far as vertical wind shear is concerned, the shear component comes into play early in the cyclogenesis of TC, that is, when deep convection is organized. Strong TC cannot develope if they cannot get past this stage. During the last weak El Nino year of 2006, the wind shear was storng enough to severely limit ANY TC, despite other factors. The Alarmists will not give up.
Aars Vyper (06:57:54) :
And, of course, CO2 drives the climate caused the oceans to cool.
‘No mention anywhere on this blog of the 4,000 + year old Markham ice sheet breaking….’ How would one know that the portion that broke off was 4000 years old? Please supply referance.
Jerry: Scientists dream. Engineers turn dreams into reality. Both are necessary.
Pamela: Fire comes in many forms. Stay warm.
Back OT, sort of. If a slight drop in temp from last year is just an anomaly and should be ignored, what should we do with a big hurricane, that ‘proves’ global warming?
The hockey stick is broken!
Any talk of a remaining upward straight-line trend in temperatures is completely disingenuous because it fails to factor in the significant cooling driven by volcanic eruptions in the 80’s and 90’s (Mt. St. Helen’s, Sierra Hudson, El Chichon, Pinatubo). The fact of the matter is that temperatures have gone nowhere for the better part of 30 years once volcanic impacts are accounted for.
Yes, temperatures did shoot up in the late 70’s as the PDO swung positive and the weak solar cycle 19 ended. But since then we may have seen a minimal jump in the late 90’s as the AMO swung positive. Now that the PDO has swung negative and the AMO will follow in the next 5-10 years and the sun is going into a funk, expect the now downward trend to continue. Note that reaction to lower solar activity tends to lag. After all, didn’t the warmers crow about “warming in the pipeline”! Well now “the pipeline is cooling” and this impact will be felt for years to come!
You could have a glacier moving across Texas and the warmers still won’t admit that they were wrong.
Christopher Hanley wrote:
Christopher, did you happen to notice that the date of the so-called latest observation was 2005? It is nearly 2009, and temps have fallen dramatically since the date of that graph.
Temperatures over here on this part of Vancouver Island are currently maxing out at 21-22 degrees Celsius. Records seem to indicate this is slightly lower than ususal.
http://www.tutiempo.net/en/Climate/Nanaimo_Airport/09-2007/718900.htm
Nothing to worry about, although August has felt rather unseasonably cool.
Temperatures since the satellite record began in 1979 have gone up and they have gone down. Overall, they are up slightly. 1976-1979 was the end of a cooling period which began in 1944 with 1976-1979 being a low starting point.
Over the sat period record, we have had impacts from ENSO (which has increased the trend overall, caused the increase in 1998 and the dip over the past 18 months), two major volcanoes (which caused dips in 1982 and 1991), increased CO2 and GHGs (which has increased the trend somewhat but by far less than global warming theory indicates) and a more active Sun (which increased the trend a small amount until the recent slowdown in solar activity.)
These 4 impacts explain almost all of the change in that RSS chart with natural variability explaining the rest.
Global warming theory indicates that temps should be close to 1.0C higher than the data indicates so that is the most important conclusion one should reach from the chart. It should be growing twice as fast as it actually does.
If CO2 and GHGs increase temperatures, even the most rapid warming period seen so far is much less than global warming predicts. It is so much lower, in fact, that global warming is most likely not a problem at all.
Whether global warming or global cooling, you can be sure that humans caused it. But not just any humans, no! Free humans who prosper under a market economy and open systems of government. They’re to blame! Try them, jail them, burn them at the stake!
Freedom and self-determination are anathema to all right thinking orthodoxers marching in lock-step to the CAGW (catastrophic anthropogenic global warming) banner. “Kill the heretics who doubt our truth”, is their motto!
Counters wants a plausible mechanism for global cooling, when the only plausible mechanism for global warming is specifically ignored by the warmists.
The solar theory is simple; When the Sun’s more active, it gets hotter, when less active, iot gets colder. This is quite a consistent theory that explains both warming and cooling. Yes, there are other astronomical factors, but all basically mean more or less Sun stuff falling on the Earth’s surface.
The CO2 theory purports to explain warming, but then Counters lacks a mechanism to explain cooling, except, of course “natural variation”.
Which theory would a reasonable person chose?