CBS News to preempt 60 Minutes for global warming special Sunday Jan 20th

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This was originally called “CBS News Presents: Global Warming: The Melting

Ice Caps” at the CBS affililiates resource site they call it “CBS News Presents: The Age of Warming” for Sunday.

http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_entertainment/schedule

here is the synopsis of a previous segment “The Age of Warming”

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/30/60minutes/main2631210.shtml

They are focusing on Antarctica on that one. The original aired in April 2007, then they did a “revised” version in August 2007. This may be another “reheated leftovers” of that broadcast. It may be something related to the writers strike. I’m not sure.

Here is their PR on it.

http://www.cbspressexpress.com/div.php/cbs_news/release?id=17692

It looks like James Hansen managed to escape “censorship” once again as they say: “He also speaks to NASA’s top scientist studying climate, who says the Bush administration has restricted what he can say about global warming. ”

Maybe they sent Andy Rooney out to grouse at some penguins too.

One of my contacts on an email list I belong to pointed to this as a possible reason they are airing this special a third time:

 “All of this is carefully orchestrated to force a polar bear listing onto the US Fish and Wildlife Service, who knows the science is not there for a listing, but is trying to get sued into doing it anyway.  The science is so bad, the final listing decision was postponed another month. Getting a listing is for the greens like capturing the Queen during end game.”

Once you watch the show, you can decide for yourself and contact CBS Media Relations to tell them what you thought about it:

Kevin Tedesco (212) 975-2329

kev@cbsnews.com

Director, CBS News Communications (“60 Minutes”)

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46 thoughts on “CBS News to preempt 60 Minutes for global warming special Sunday Jan 20th

  1. Ah. So CBS is going to preempt its regular programming in order to caution us not to panic, that the Arctic Ice situation is due merely to a confluence of cyclical PDO and ADO, not anthropogenic atmospheric warmng. How very fairminded of them. [insert emoticon indicating mordant sarcasm]
    Reply: Evan it may simply be related to the writers strike, I’m not sure. You can easily re-edit a show with previously unused content without needing the help of a writer. Maybe that it what is going on here, they are out of fresh content due to the strike, so they rejuvinate the old content, maybe it’s something else. I suggest watching the show and deciding then.

  2. Watching The World Melt Away
    In Full: Scott Pelley looks for – and finds – evidence of global warming in Antarctica where the bottom of the world is literally melting away. (emphasis added)

    On what planet is Scott reporting from?

  3. I’ll be all ears. I’ll even [gasp] listen. #B^1
    I am well versed in deconstruction technique. They trained me well. And they are far more vulnerable to their own weaponry than they imagine.
    Being one of “those people”, I know them fairly well. I can sling their slang with the best of them. (Their hatred for the heathen is–nothing–compared with what they reserve for the apostate! Nothing! Q.E.D.)

  4. It looks like James Hansen managed to escape “censorship” once again as they say: “He also speaks to NASA’s top scientist studying climate, who says the Bush administration has restricted what he can say about global warming.

    ROTFL! If only that were the case! The man just needs to STFU!

  5. I think the Greenbay game will still be on at that time, should be interesting switching to and fro, -15 to hot air.

  6. “It looks like James Hansen managed to escape “censorship” once again as they say: “He also speaks to NASA’s top scientist studying climate, who says the Bush administration has restricted what he can say about global warming. ”
    And, naturally, he can tell us all (in great detail) exactly what has been censored.
    Or in other words, is it censorship if you can say on national news what it is that you’re not allowed to say?
    Make your own disclaimer, then. Print out a piece of paper to paste on your tv screen, saying “the following comments by James Hansen have been censored by the Bush administration.”

  7. Are you bored out of your skull becuase there’s nothing good on TV? Writers strike got you down? Well watch CBS, where we are going to recycle the ramblings of a politically motivated hack who wants you to be worried, very worried, about global warming.”
    Oh I’m worried, alright “of such shoddy journalism”.

  8. I’m sure everyone is aware of this book that came out recently, Censoring Science: Inside the Political Attack on Dr. James Hansen and the Truth of Global Warming by Mark Bowen. More censorship, I guess.
    I suspect what your email list contact said about the polar bear listing is true. There are several species that are far worse off than polar bears, and yet they haven’t made the Endangered or Threatened list. These are species whose populations are on the verge of crashing and whose habitats really are disappearing–now–not in some future scenario based on 40-year climate projections.

  9. Two words: We’re meeeeelting!
    (On accumulation or precipitation: No words.)
    I thought polar bears were doing just fine. Nearly all popuations on the increase.

  10. Isn’t it funny how Bush is apparently so incompetent he can’t even manage to successfully censor someone? Wait. Maybe it makes more sense if we assume there is no censoring? Depends on your perspective, I suppose.
    C’mon Bush, what kind of crappy censor are you?
    😉

  11. Every time there is a story on global warming the question seems to be “How to cut green house gases?”. When the real question should be “How to cut the world population?” We have tried to “manage” the forest, the oceans, the earth’s resources, yet how can we manage these things when we have a population explosion happening? How can we stop raping the earth when we don’t manage ourselves?

  12. Tracy, actually, in a way, overpopulation is the problem. It isn’t loggers that burn down the rainforest, most wood and paper comes from farmed trees. Its actually local farmers clearing the land to plant their crops. More people, more farmers, more land clearing. But its hard to tell people not to have kids. I mean, some cultures still like having kids. If we could get the technology to support an expanding population, like biotech etc. we would reduce the amount of land we need to support the population. But don’t worry, best estimate is that population tops out at 10 billion after 2050, then starts falling from there.
    Actually, some have proposed cutting the population as a way to reduce our “footprint”:
    http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2007/12/global-warmin-1.html
    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,22945744-5000117,00.html
    I’ve also heard the idea that we should pollute MORE becuase particulates (banned by zee Clean Air Act, me thinks?) cause global cooling. Huh. So apparently anti-pollution regulation caused global warming. Go figure?

  13. Well that special lived up to all my expectations of fairness and balance. (I hadn’t any.)
    “How can we stop raping the earth when we don’t manage ourselves?”
    Population is not a real problem. Take New York City. We house 8 million people with FAR, FAR less overcrowding and more elbow-room than when the city had a population of 1 million, a hundred years ago.
    Besides, the population rate is plummeting all over the world, and not only in the developed countries. (Google birth rates to see how far they have dropped since 1990 all over the world.) The population curve is beginning to “S” out.
    We have a massive amount of resources and more years reserves than we ever had before. What we have used up is literally spit in the ocean. For example, known petroleum reserves have increased from 3.4 trillion barrels to 6.5 trillion even with all the increase in use. And we may not even have scratched the surface on that.
    There is hardly a commodity in the world that has not decreased in real price (inflation-adjusted) for decades. Copper is 1% of the earth’s crust, Iron c. 6%, Aluminium up to 8% (60% of the earth’s crust is feldspar).
    Occasionally a newly discovered use will drive up a price (e.g., indium), or a political flap (e.g., corn/ethanol), or woefully bad policy (e.g., energy) but there are no inherent shortages of any basic resource. And I haven’t even touched on substitution. (We do that for stuff like lead and mercury, but not because it’s scarce or expensive, but because it’s dangerous.)
    Not only have we not reached the beginning of the end of our resources, we have not even reached the end of the beginning. It is all very well to say “there are limits”. But those limits are so, well, limitless as to make a mockery of the very definition of the term.
    Don’t worry. Be happy! (And I MEAN that.) If you must get depressed, don’t look to the future–study history! (The further back you go, the uglier it gets, with but a few exceptions.)

  14. I watched the show.
    Is it censorship when a White House bureaucrat changes the text of a press release written by a scientist? All I know is that I’d rather be free to make up my own mind than be lied to.

  15. I’m so surprised to read these comments. – do any of you who have written, live in a place where resources are compromised? Your sarcasm and irony is displaced and honestly, despicable. The issues here are very pertinent, recourses are dwindling, whether or not you agree with or like CBS, who may very well want to frighten us all to gain ratings, is simply irrelevant. The point is that change is necessary. Shame on you for making light of the situation. Criticize CBS, just don’t hide behind wit. You will only hinder the changes that need to occur. Anyone who has half of a mind will agree that we can’t go on expending our resources like this forever. Please, don’t continue your rhetoric. Instead, spend your words educating instead of decimating.
    Please, what we need right now are bright people to change the landscape of the mainstream – instead of spending time commenting on mainstream news “stories” that people listen to and forget by next morning. You all sound like knowledgeable people, although I don’t agree with your views. Make a difference. Do you research – speak to people who have experienced this change in global warming first hand. Then make an educated decision. Then speak to people and educate them, then can you understand what we are up against. I am frightened and not because of CBS, because frankly, they scare me more than global warming. I am frightened because we live in a world in which our most educated , our most talented writers are sitting in front of a computer instead of experiencing the world. This means our view of the planet has come down to reporting from the likes of CBS. Do you want to change things? Then all of you writing your harsh critiques of this story, all of you are obligated to do some real research and get it out to the people. Make a difference.
    REPLY: Madam, I think thou doth protest too much without offering up any substance of your own.

  16. No text gets released by the whitehouse without some bureaucrat making a whole lot of Sx. They get paid by the X.
    OTOH, it is a bit of a mystery to me why bad scientists are kept around in the first place and not simply bounced out. What does a scientist have to do to get the bum’s rush these days, anyway? Grope the staff?
    Out of curiosity, I have been to Dr. Hansen’s home page. It is a scandal for the jackdaws. Why not just hire Oliver Stone to investigate the Warren Commission and be done with it?

  17. To you who protest that I protest,
    I do not pretend to know as much as you- I have no idea what you know – I only hope that you, whoever you are, will recognize your time and words are much better spent sending a message than wasting time on something so trivial. CBS has made some changes, they have made the mainstream aware of the horrors in the Congo, the terrible effects of Iraq on our soldiers coming home to almost no care or concern. Who else is telling this story? So I ask you who protest that I protest, what have you done? I will read your reply though I will not respond again as I think this whole forum a waste of time. I hope you agree, and find a more meaningful and more importantly a more effective way to express yourself. Thank you for replying to my comment and good luck to you and your conscience.
    REPLY: Space is a vacuum, so is a Dyson. Neither has a consceince. One collects stars, the other collects dust. This blog collects thoughts. If that is a waste, then off you go.

  18. “I’m so surprised to read these comments. – do any of you who have written, live in a place where resources are compromised?”
    –The world is on the biggish side and there are rather a lot of places in it. But stick with me, here, I do not mean to be harsh. I think you have a good mind. I hope to influence you to open it further.
    “The issues here are very pertinent, resources are dwindling”
    –I really don’t know of any in the “materials” sense. Species are another question. They ebb and flow, and sometimes need protection. i encourage this. But we won’t be running out of ice any time soon. (The IPCC AR4 final report about to be released, in fact, has cut its sea level rise limit by half. Wait for it.) The penguins will still be with us.
    “The point is that change is necessary. Shame on you for making light of the situation. ”
    –But what “change”? the sort that sucks up all the wealth and leaves the UDCs to starve? I am a bleeding-heart liberal, and I cannot abide that thought. Or do you mean the sorts of change that occur naturally, quickly, and profitably in the free market? Including whatever will wind up replacing oil.
    “Anyone who has half of a mind will agree that we can’t go on expending our resources like this forever.”
    I encourage akk of us to make use of the other half. There simply don’t seem to be any practical limits. Either they are renewable or we have centuries’ worth–at current technological levels. It’s the history, it’s the trend. I’ve even perused some of the figures and drawn a number of the graphs.
    By the time centuries roll around, we’ll have thousands of years’ worth, if we even bother to locate that much all at once. Heck, we’ll probably be doing straight mass-conversion by then.
    “Please, don’t continue your rhetoric. ”
    –I’m just looking at the history of natural resources. Historical trends are what I do.
    “Please, what we need right now are bright people to change the landscape of the mainstream – instead of spending time commenting on mainstream news “stories” that people listen to and forget by next morning.”
    –We have plenty to do both. Another resourse we are not short of.
    “You all sound like knowledgeable people, although I don’t agree with your views. ”
    –Debate is what it’s all about. It’s fun and healthy–and “not over”.
    “Make a difference. Do you research”
    –Check out this site in detail. Mr. Watts is doing the research and making the difference right before your eyes.
    “speak to people who have experienced this change in global warming first hand. Then make an educated decision. ”
    –We do. Some of the posters here are from the Great White North. So does NASA. The change is mostly in the Arctic, and that is a confluence of the PDO and ADO, both known ice-reducers and both cyclical in nature. (They even say it on their website.)
    Measuring the temperatures accurately is worth thousands of words, however!
    “Then make an educated decision. Then speak to people and educate them, then can you understand what we are up against.”
    –That’s the general idea. And one must be willing to change one’s decisions in the light of developing data, I’m sure you would agree.
    “I am frightened because we live in a world in which our most educated , our most talented writers are sitting in front of a computer instead of experiencing the world. ”
    –That is no reason to be frightened. Consider the past. Walk in the historians’ shoes. We sit in front of a vast repository of power and knowledge that would stagger the soul of any educated man in the past. What we are sitting in front of it the most powerful tool of knowledge, power, influence, and communication that the world has ever seen. (And okay, a lot of “other stuff”, too, but that is the way of the wicked world.)
    And how do you think we GOT to be such talented writers? The words flowing from our fingers as fast as we can type them? You sit before it!
    And the individual travels far more than ever in all of history. A century ago 90% of mankind never made it 10 miles from his home.
    Do not be frightened by this. Be overwhelmed with joy and energy and the potential. Odds on you are going to live a loooooong time! Mostly thanks to all this stuff you are frightened of. Do not fear the wave. Ride it!
    It is a wonderful world. The old dangers, the ones I grew up with, are fading away. Man approaches Childhood’s End. What a time to be alive! Don’t let irrational fears spoil it for you!

  19. “I am frightened because we live in a world in which our most educated , our most talented writers are sitting in front of a computer instead of experiencing the world. ”

    Now here’s some more hypocrisy. Experiencing the world requires the expelling of a lot of CO2. So do you not believe there is a problem? Or are you one of those who would have everyone ELSE change their lifestyle because you said so? Again, if you believe CO2 is causing a catastrophe, why are you one of those “sitting in front of a computer” and not returning to a hunter/gatherer lifestyle, the only true way to make any meaningful reduction in human industrial activities?

  20. Why is everyone talking about global warming only when the bigger issue is the consumption of non-renewable resources. Our planet has been here for millions of years and will be around for millions more – even if we are not. But how are we to survive with no resources? We need to move to wind, small hydro, and solar power. Solar is now as inexpensive as other electricity in the commercial market. Soon it may be for residential as well. Check out these videos – http://solarjoules.com/?cat=3

  21. Evan,
    “No text gets released by the whitehouse without some bureaucrat making a whole lot of Sx. They get paid by the X.”
    So that makes it OK? If it’s not the original text, but the original author’s name is on it, that’s a “lie.” Also, this policy– no press releases may be issued without White House review– was not in place in earlier administrations. I have to wonder what Bush is afraid of.
    “What does a scientist have to do to get the bum’s rush these days, anyway? Grope the staff?”
    Comments like this don’t communicate anything or argue well for your maturity.
    I will also disagree with Danielle (thank you for posting, though) in that I doubt CBS will gain ratings by preempting one of its most popular shows for a report of this kind. Ratings is what Britney is for.

  22. “So that makes it OK? ”
    (Sigh) In a word, yes. But I will explain in detail.
    “If it’s not the original text, but the original author’s name is on it, that’s a “lie.” ”
    You don’t appear to understand how it works.
    If you have not written professionally on another’s behalf, then this is going to be hard to explain. But if you have, your objections simply baffle me.
    No professional writing I have ever done for anyone else ever came out of the grinder intact. Only on rare occasions can it have been characterized as “the original text”. When you are writing on behalf an agency and not on your own account (like ALL government employees), you represent THEM as much as yourself. They have a claim on both positive and negative input–and deserve it.
    If you cannot live with the inevitable revisions, you must resign. To scream censorship and not resign is what doesn’t speak well for maturity.
    I regard Dr. Hansen’s accusations of censorship with scorn. Why? Because he writes his own nongovernmental scientific papers without any restriction whatever from the government. Not an X in sight. Have you been to his website?
    It is only when he is speaking–on the behalf of others–that the Xs appear. Not only do the others get to X stuff out, they get to add their own stuff in. Because it is a joint declaration. If a body considers that a lie, he part of it unless he resigns.
    Let me try to put it another way. When Dr. Hansen speaks for himself, on his own behalf (including screaming censorship), no one may curtail his expression. If it harms his employer, NASA has every right to can him, but they can’t X him. He does so. He publishes his own work.
    But, begorrah, if he speaks on behalf of the government, the government has the right to X and append whatever it pleases like any other employer. And Dr. Hansen has the right to withdraw his work or resign. NASA doesn’t work for him, he works for NASA. If NASA were his private bolt bin, he’d be calling the shots and doing the X-ing, and he’d have a right to. But it ain’t, see?
    I don’t see where he gets off with not resigning and then claiming to be muzzled. Have your cake or eat it. Pick one. That True Cross he’s been lugging around is getting old.
    Let me try another tack.
    “Rev” Anthony has clipped my wings once or twice on this blog. He has a right to! What he allows to appear here is partly a reflection on HIM.
    But he can’t do that in MY little corner. THAT would be censorship.
    It is my privilege to post here, not my right. Yours, too, I might add. If I can’t live within his restrictions, I can bally well go elsewhere.
    But until he drops by and Xs MY blog, you won’t find me dragging around a used crucifix, moaning about the death of the first amendment. Dr. Hansen is a living example of the old Python joke: “Help, help, I’m bein’ repressedI You saw him repressin’ me didn’t you? That’s what I’m on about!”
    REPLY: Well said my friend.

  23. So that makes it OK? If it’s not the original text, but the original author’s name is on it, that’s a “lie.” Also, this policy– no press releases may be issued without White House review– was not in place in earlier administrations. I have to wonder what Bush is afraid of.

    Right, WWII wasn’t censored, nether was Korea, or the Cuban Missile Crisis, or anything else from any administration before GW Bush. Every government which ever existed has told the “public” exactly what they wanted to tell them. The difference in this country, and a few others, is that we can usually find out the truth, even if it’s 100 years later.

  24. Reggie: If the ability to make due without fossil fuels is there now. As much as it isn’t true, if it is there now, then it will be there later when technology permits it to be more affordable and/or it becomes more affordable due to the scarcity of “natural” resources. If I’m wrong, fair enough. That’d be great. I’m no fan of the oil oligopoly. However, tell them to get out there and market, preferable subsidy free. Please don’t give me some line about the oil companies paying them off, yada, yada, yada.
    Danielle: The world is not over populated and we are not depleting our non-renewable resources at an unacceptable rate. If the world was overpopulated, the poulation would be decreasing. Basic economics.
    If resource conservation is your worry, fair enough. Just know that CBS global warming specials and the like promote the exact opposite actions you want to promote.
    Categorizing CO2 as a “pollutant” just leads to misplaced uses. A simple example. Using oil for elec. generation. Oil is much scarcer and much more versatile than coal. However, oil burns “cleaner”, i.e. less CO2 produced. (I’m ignoring REAL pollutants for now). By classifying plant food, i.e. CO2 as a pollutant, it directs oil into electrical production instead of coal. There are centuries upon centuries of coal supply right here in N.A., which means we do not have to import as much oil from Chavez and the middle east. In addition, the technology to capture REAL pollutants produced by coal fired plants exists today. CBS factoid presentations promotes power generation from a less available commodity, puts up your power costs and does NOTHING for the to lower the earth’s temp. We could extend out our natural resources life much much longer if political costs were removed as drivers of price.
    For those of you who insist I must believe in the catastrophic AGW, I’m sorry, I’ve read far too much B.S. on Real Climate, seen too much hiding of facts by the MSM, and really have a hard time accepting some hypothetical tipping point that has never occured in geological history despite higher volumes of atmospheric CO2 to agree to transfer billions of dollars to despot countries like Russia in the name of some grand socialist scheme. The earth is a net negative feedback control system, period. Simple as that. An extra degree of warmth sure won’t hurt anything.

  25. Anthony:
    Sorry about the double post. Came up with an error here after I submitted. Was happy it did and did some editing.
    If you wish, please delete the first one.
    BTW, great work you are doing on the temp. stations.
    Cheers

  26. “If you have not written professionally on another’s behalf, then this is going to be hard to explain. But if you have, your objections simply baffle me.”
    You speak as if the government is a private entity. I expect the government to represent the people’s interest (as a whole, not every individual) in the same way I expect my credit union to give me honest, unbiased advice. I don’t expect the same from Bank of America.

  27. “Right, WWII wasn’t censored, nether was Korea, or the Cuban Missile Crisis, or anything else from any administration before GW Bush. Every government which ever existed has told the “public” exactly what they wanted to tell them.”
    I wasn’t talking about troop movements during wartime. Are you saying that the US government has no more obligation to tell the truth to its people than the Chinese? I believe we should work toward a more open and honest government. If they can’t tell us something, all they have to do is say “no comment.”

  28. I wasn’t talking about troop movements during wartime. Are you saying that the US government has no more obligation to tell the truth to its people than the Chinese? I believe we should work toward a more open and honest government. If they can’t tell us something, all they have to do is say “no comment.”

    Every aspect of those wars was controlled by the government, every piece of news, not just troop movements. Some major events were never reported because the powers that be felt national morale was more important than knowing if your son was dead. I’d say US administrations have been MORE open that previous ones, since there are more and more watchdog groups, instant communication, the Web, etc, they just can’t get away with as much.

  29. “You speak as if the government is a private entity. I expect the government to represent the people’s interest (as a whole, not every individual) in the same way I expect my credit union to give me honest, unbiased advice.”
    I speak of the government as an employer.
    You tacitly assume that if the government Xs or adds to the output of its paid employees that this is not in the people’s interest–as a whole. But what if it is? Or what if that is in question? If both parties believe they are right?
    You need to ask yourself who makes that call. The employee or those in government placed above him?
    Public or private entity, it makes no difference. The employer gets to make the call. The employer is the BOSS. The employee can convince his supervisors of their error. Or compromise. Or let it go (which is wrong of him if he thinks that is dishonest).
    Or he can quit in protest, publish on his own, call a press conference and yell to the high heavens. If he does that, I may disagree with him–strongly–but he retains my respect.
    But one cannot have it both ways.
    Dr. Hansen has every moral right to thump on the desk and resign and then bite the hand of NASA. But this spectacle of his biting the hand of his employer even as it feeds him and while simultaneously demanding “his right” to speak on behalf of his employer is simply a Pythonesque embarrassment.

  30. simply a Pythonesque embarrassment.
    Oooh, that’s good, Evan. I’ve got to add that to my list of great descriptions. (You will, of course, get attribution if I use it.)

  31. No need. (SIR!)
    The term “Pythonesque”, per se, is not mine, but in the common domain. (The “embarrassment” thing is mere application. )

  32. And no need to call me “Sir”, Evan.
    There is something that has been puzzling me. On a number of occasions, you’ve described yourself as a “bleeding heart Liberal”, but I have yet to see a comment of yours that would suggest you lean even remotely to the left. In what way/s does the term Liberal apply to you?
    Sorry about the OT post, Anthony.

  33. “You tacitly assume that if the government Xs or adds to the output of its paid employees that this is not in the people’s interest–as a whole. But what if it is? Or “what if that is in question? If both parties believe they are right?”
    Evan, I think you’re going in another direction here. I’m concerned with the White House’s relation to the public. They hired the guy to do the job. Then non-scientists changed what he wrote and passed it off as if the person credited was the author of the information. No disclaimers that the original words were altered. Wouldn’t that have been the honest thing to do? Or, if they didn’t like what he wrote they should have fired him and picked somebody else, not tried to make the public think the report was his. By the way, did you actually see the show?
    And, Jeff, you didn’t really answer my question O.o
    it does make a difference.

  34. Well, there are areas where liberal/conservative evaluations simply do not apply.
    Facts are facts. They know no politics.
    The temperature is either being measured correctly or it is not being measured correctly.
    The world is either running out of resources or it is not running out of resources.
    Paul Ehrlich’s predictions are either correct, partially correct, or incorrect.
    “Supply-side, trickle-down” economics either produce the effects intended or not.
    Mankind is better off today than he was 100 (50, 500, 1000, whatever) years ago or he wasn’t.
    The “surge” is either working or it isn’t.
    “The rich get richer and the poor get poorer” or not.
    War doesn’t “solve anything” or it does.
    No. No. Incorrect. Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Does.
    These are empirical issues. They can be observed. They can be tested. Measured. Calculated. Tracked. Graphed. Evaluated.
    They are not liberal Vs conservative considerations. They are demonstrable and not subject to value judgement.
    Values are a different question entirely. But this blog deals in, well, facts. (If I were to be identified with one of the current political candidates, I suppose It would probably be Rudy Giuliani. Sigh.)

  35. “Evan, I think you’re going in another direction here.”
    Yes. very deliberately. It is a direction that far too few consider.
    I’m concerned with the White House’s relation to the public. They hired the guy to do the job.”
    Mmm, no, actually. Dr. Hansen is career NASA and was around long before the Bush administration. Dubya did not hire him, he merely inherited him.
    “Then non-scientists changed what he wrote and passed it off as if the person credited was the author of the information. No disclaimers that the original words were altered. Wouldn’t that have been the honest thing to do?”
    It was NASA itself that X-ed him. Not Dick and dubya in some darkened, smoke-filled room with smirking oil execs lurking in the shadows.
    His report was a NASA report. He was speaking as an employee of NASA and on NASA’s behalf. Dr. Hansen could have withdrawn his report or had his name removed. If he could not live with it or felt the report was dishonest he should have resigned. NASA cannot force him to say anything. By the same token, he cannot force NASA to say anything, either.
    But what takes the cake is that Dr, Hansen has made his own views known very clearly, very publicly, and in complete detail. When he does that, he is speaking for himself. He has never had anything he says on his own censored. As for that bird-with-a-broken-wing act he is affecting …
    “Or, if they didn’t like what he wrote they should have fired him and picked somebody else, not tried to make the public think the report was his.”
    In my opinion they should have bounced him out four years ago. (So far as I know, he serves at the pleasure of the president.)
    It is totally within NASAs rights to control what is released on behalf of NASA. That is not censorship. It is only censorship if they prevent him from speaking on his own private behalf. They have not done so.
    Let me try to explain this another way.
    If you work for, say, the New York Times and they spike or alter your story (which they do all the time) they are under zip obligation to announce that fact. ZIP. It would, in fact, be unheard of.
    When will you ever pick up a newspaper and read a byline declaiming “well, actually we changed the story around, edited and X-ed it”? You should live so long!
    Either the reporter negotiates with his editor or he withdraws the story. If he can’t live with it, he resigns. Heck, maybe the paper gets fed up with him and fires him. The newspaper is under no obligation or expectation to comment one way or the other. THIS IS NOT CENSORSHIP. To thus claim is risible.
    “By the way, did you actually see the show”
    Oh, yes. (Another hour of my life I will never get back.)

  36. Evan,
    Great answers to both my question and Pat’s. Most people I know, regardless of philosophical or political stripe, are not only not influenced by “facts” but wouldn’t recognize a “fact” that doesn’t dovetail with their worldview if it bit them in the ass. Your view of things is very refreshing.

  37. You are a retired officer of intelligence. You have spent your professional life acquiring and assimilating facts. As you would know, facts must dictate the worldview, not the other way around.
    (When I say “SIR!” what I am saying is, “Thank you for your service.” )

  38. Well, for balance, here’s another one:
    The Great Society housing projects were superior to the slums they replaced or they were not.
    In a word, Yes.

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