Guest essay by Eric Worrall
Michael Mann, inventor of the climate Hockey Stick, is dismayed that despite the best efforts of Democrat candidates to promote climate issues, nobody seems to be interested.
Climate change may be a burning issue – but election campaign tells another story
As Alaskans choose their Democratic nominee after a winter wiped out by high temperatures, among Republicans the climate question has been near invisible
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It is an absence that has been felt in presidential primaries and caucuses across the US, including states that have been ravaged by drought or sea level rise. In a desperate attempt to reverse the lack of environmental focus, a group of Florida mayors begged CNN to quiz Republicans about sea level rise at a debate held in Miami.
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“I suppose the American media has to shoulder some of the blame,” said Michael Mann, a leading climate scientist. “Both Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, consistently emphasise climate change as being one of our greatest challenges.
“They mention it in nearly every speech they give. So the candidates themselves seem to be doing their part. Yet when American journalists have had an opportunity to question the candidates, in the various debates that have been held for example, the topic is rarely mentioned.”
Several factors are tamping down debate over climate change and other environmental issues such as land use, pollution and mining. One is a lack of disagreement between candidates within the parties; another is the feeling that despite record numbers of Americans believing climate change is human-caused and a looming problem, it will not drive voters to the polls in a panic.
“For most Americans, climate change is not a crisis,” said Bill Schneider, a veteran political analyst who has covered every presidential election since 1976. “Terrorist attacks and Isis are closer to crises.
What is the most newsworthy? Yet more vague repeated warnings about “imminent” climate problems which never manifest, or news that a worker at a Belgian nuclear plant may have just been murdered by terrorists, as part of their plan to detonate a dirty bomb in a vulnerable Western city?
Schneider is right, that most people think terrorism is a higher priority than climate change.
“….including states that have been ravaged by drought or sea level rise….”
“Ravaged” ???? Seriously …. you have to love the hyperbolae …. Michael Mann really needs to get out more.
Maybe people are tired of such exaggerations as “states that have been ravaged by drought or sea level rise,” because they know this has not happened. When does an exaggeration become a lie? – When a climate alarmist speaks.
Only the truth is not a lie. Any embellishment is not the truth. Therefore: the exaggeration was a lie from the start.
Right? Maybe people are actually reading (WUWT!) the data . . .
Following that theme, in today’s paper Sunday funnies, Doonesbury’s newscaster castigates Rubio for not agreeing that “….rising sea levels are now regularly inundating south Florida, creating small ponds in the street, many with swimming fish, with multimillion-plus septic tanks at risk of failing.. .” Funny, an acquaintance of mine regularly goes to Florida to design and install septic systems and he hasn’t mentioned anything about rising sea levels.
Last I checked, here in drought “ravaged” N. California, the drought map showed us red horrible drought, while the hazard map said we were having floods, the stream guages were 90th percentile (I.e. near or at flood) and our annual rain was average or above…
Maybe that is why we don’t care…
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2016/03/14/the-california-flooding-drought-can-it-end-now/
Drought and floods at the same time in the same place! If only we had paid our CO2 taxes earlier. The weather would still be the same, but we would not be subject to the nonstop extreme weather hype.
That ‘ravaged’ text comes from the article’s author, Oliver Milman, and not Michael Mann.
Putting Mikey’s mug in context with those quotes leads one to believe that they came from Mikey. Without reading the article, that’s what one would infer. IMO
“I suppose the American media has to shoulder some of the blame,” said Michael Mann, a leading climate scientist. “Both Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, consistently emphasise climate change as being one of our greatest challenges.
TG,
I wonder what the ‘challenge’ is? Not getting enough grant loot for Mann’s phony scare?
Again, I hear the world’s smallest violin playing for Mr Mann……
Not me. I have absolutely no empathy for the Mann at all–he’s brought condemnation upon himself and has only himself to blame. Edgar Allan Poe’s pendulum comes to mind.
Until this criminal is in jail, I feel sorry for us.
Angry Bird’s lie hole reminds me of a proctology exam photo.
Well as they say: “Familiarity breeds contempt.”
Well we have all gotten so used to having all of the climate change that is going on around us, that it no longer makes interesting news any more.
So tell us something we don’t already know Mikey !
MY climate is much different than YOUR climate; and likely always will be.
G
Yes George, but your climate might be better than his climate and things need to be evened out on a global scale, according to progressive thinkers.
Abandoning industrialism and rationing energy usage could eventually ensure that the remaining fragments of the human race will have ample room to exist in the most gentle of climates.
He should try Australia. Our best conditions would be considered a drought worthy of federal relief in America.
He doesn’t have time to get out – he has to read all those copies of his own book on the shelf behind him. That’s probably half the total sales you can see.
I’m on the periphery of All these discussions and wanted to get a balanced view.I have followed Anthony for about 5 years now and as you might expect I am a “denier”.
For more information I tried following Michael Mann on Twitter with two different logins. Both were blocked.
It seems he does not want to spread his knowledge. Is there any other way of following his guidance
The media are doing the Democrats a favor. The issue may sell well inside the party but it not only does not drive voters to the polls, it costs them middle class votes because most realize that the solutions being implemented will drive up energy bills and drive away many jobs. Even the current president had the good sense not to emphasise the climate cure until after he was re-elected a second time, bringing the issue to the forefront just in time to lose control of the senate.
Right, because the sun and wind cost so much money. Oh, wait, no they don’t. ‘Drive away many jobs’? You mean create tons of jobs in conservation and solar panel installation? Please go to NASA’s website and educate yourself on real climate change.
Science101, have you ever heard of an “opportunity cost?” Have you ever heard of “energy density?” If all that renewable energy is so damn cheap, why does solar and wind fail to compete in our somewhat free markets, and instead relies upon government mandates and subsidies to have anything more than incidental role? Until you understand these things, you will continue to be baffled by the polity disagreeing with your central planning wet dreams.
Mr Reno,
Good response. Unfortunately, most people have no clue about what “opportunity cost” even means. I like to recommend to economically illiterate folks, Henry Hazlitt, “Economics in One Lesson”.
Science101,
I work with NASA on a regular basis and have been intimately involved in several of their Earth observing missions creating data discussed on this very blog. You put far too much credence in this organization to know the truth about climate change. This is no longer the organization that got us to the Moon, IMHO.
I’ll suggest to you, to LEAVE the NASA website in order to educate yourself about your assertion that green industries “…create tons of jobs…”.
But at least you are here. Thanks for that. Maybe it will rub off some of the indoctrination. Here are some starters for you…
Spain’s Green Disaster a Lesson for America
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/finance/2011/november/spains-green-disaster-a-lesson-for-america/?mobile=false
Some excerpts…
Another place to learn…
The Myth of Green Energy Jobs: The European Experience
https://www.aei.org/publication/the-myth-of-green-energy-jobs-the-european-experience/
Some opinion…
http://www.seattletimes.com/opinion/spains-experience-with-the-green-economy-save-the-planet-lose-some-jobs/
Thanks again for coming here to learn and hopefully help us learn from you (hint: your post above wasn’t really a step in the right direction, imho).
If there was anyone desperately in need of reading (and understanding) Frederick Bastiat, it’s ‘Science 101’.
It’s hard to imagine a worse misallocation of resources than windmills.
And I fully agree re: Henry Hazlitt, who wrote for the WSJ for many years. His short, easy to read book debunks the complete waste of money represented by climate science™.
Science101 if wind power was so good why did the human race give up on it in the late 19th century and the early 20th. We use to pump water with it all the time, somehow a small electric motor hook up the grid replaced most of them in a very short time maybe is was due when you need water on a hot summer the wind did not blow, what goes for hot time the same is true for very cold time. When it is cold we have a high demand for electricity and funny December and January are often short on the wind. As for the sun, I found out this year it difficult to grow grass in Arizona for a small doggie park that time of year how are solar cell going to work when grass won’t even grow, the frost was hard on it but the real problem was a lack of sunlight. The grass could not even grow fast enough to feed a few rabbits the chewed it down to the roots, now we have longer days it recovered nicely without and addition water. Growing grass down here water is the key yet the first last part of December and early January there was no point in watering since the water was not being used. I did not have to mow for two months. All of that was driven by not enough sunlight and somehow yoo beleive that wind and solar are exempt from the problems today, that is simple not true. It is time you grow up and get out of your fantasy world because wind and solar do not work any better today anymore than they did 100 years ago.
Creators of the modern age quasi-religious myth, better known as the CGW, tried everything to inform plebs of impending disaster. The most recent scare (February global temps) was meant to scare the hell out of us, but this worm has failed to deliver a mortal bite as intended.
http://www.vukcevic.talktalk.net/GTn.gif
They just overestimated potency of their slimy creation.
typo ‘out of us’
[ Fixed it for you. ModE ]
I for some reason thought that was another muth in the image, the lockness climate monster 😀
right on, originally related to the rise in the snp popularity (see faint ‘adapted by Vuk’)
Exactly. 75% of the earth’s scientists no matter WHAT field they’re in saying ”This stuff’s as obvious a fake as it gets,”
The ones who praise the Magic Sky Heater story all sound like they’re [… pruned …] when they talk about a sun heated rock, wrapped in a freezing cold atmosphere, miles deep in chilled-to-liquid water, which is evaporation refrigeration coolant, for the surface, and the entire nitrogen/oxygen atmosphere – even with all the falsehood they spam –
when the experiment – the planet itself – shows itself not remotely connected with fake chemistry – people know.
vukcevic
March 27, 2016 at 4:31 am
Creators of the modern age quasi-religious myth, better known as the CGW, tried everything to inform plebs of impending disaster. … this worm has failed to deliver a mortal bite as intended.
They just overestimated potency of their slimy creation.
The “worm” kinda’ reminds me of Cecil the Seasick Sea Serpent of early TV days.
I downvoted on the quality of the mannikins statement NOT the reportage on it btw.
Not to worry, if the NOAA anomalies get to large, we can all wear Mannkinis.
What’s with the hole between Mann’s eyes? Did he bore his own head looking for evidence of global warming,,
That’s where he plugs in the wall-wart charger for an overnight boost.
How can the American media be to blame when they are Foremost in screaming it from the rooftops?
..Sorry Mikey, not everyone is as delusional as you ! Thank God for that !!
To the OP, if you think the Terrorists can just get some material from a Nuke power plant, they’d need to do more than have one guy or murder one guy to get it, that is a fantasy mate, the terrorists know that better than anyone. Ludicrous claims. Pure scaremongering
According to the linked article there is credible evidence to believe that the terrorists are gathering information about the nuclear facilities. For instance they seem to be tracking the movements of the director of Belgium’s nuclear research programme.
The mischief they are plotting doesn’t have to involve smuggling fissionable materials out of a nuclear plant. There are lots of other ways to bring the whole country to its knees. Belgium is small and densely populated. If the terrorists could cause a Chernobyl style melt-down, that should just about do it.
The terrorists have no shortage of engineers. They may well be able to find a simple way to create a disaster. It will, of course, be completely obvious in retrospect.
Mark-
The novel that I am trying to flog at the moment deals exactly with “bad guys” (in this case, Japanese ultranationalists) stealing plutonium. Wish me luck!
Ian M
Good luck mate, hope it works out. Now there is a real problem, unlike killer plant food, a twisted parody on Day of the Triffids 😀
To be fair he talks of the detonating of a dirty bomb, and provides a link. You don’t need to detonate a fission bomb to create large scale fear, which would probably kill more people, through panic, and create more political and military chaos. A dirty bomb, with say Strontium 90 or Cesium 137, which could be available from disused medical equipment from countries that do not have strict decommission standards, would be enough to bring the political center of the EU to it’s knees.
But my feeling on the murder of the plant worker and taking his pass is a test to see how far they can go, and how far Belgian authorities will go in response. These terrorists have tested the boundaries. In some years I suspect those boundaries will be crossed.
“In a desperate attempt to reverse the lack of environmental focus, a group of Florida mayors begged CNN to quiz Republicans about sea level rise at a debate held in Miami.”
Is sea level rise a concern in Florida? Just asking…
Certainly by now AGW should have had a major effect on Florida’s coastline? I am just wondering why these mayors are so concerned.
The state of Florida is composed of coquinite, a rock made almost exclusively of sea shell fragments. This tells us that the entire state was underwater for many, many millions of years. Perhaps it too is longing for a return of “the good old days”.
Since the AGW’ers love to mention the regular flooding of Miami Beach as the “proof” that the seas are rising, I took a look into the situation. Only Miami Beach is flooding, not the towns nearby. So it has to be a very localized phenomena. So I looked into the geology of the region.
Miami sits on a porous limestone ridge that extends down the south-eastern edge of Florida. They keep putting more mass on top of the ridge while sucking out more water from the aquifer. Ergo, it’s not the seas that are rising, it is the land that is subsiding.
Thousands of miles of US coastline and only one single coastal city is being flooded.
Anyone who wants to go and check out the beach at Lummus Park in South Beach Miami will see that there is just as much of a beach as there is in pictures taken in the 1920’s.
This is all ridiculous BS.
Miami was carved out of swampland by digging networks of drainage canals and borrow pits to build up the surrounding ground.
Every new development includes mad made ponds that both catch the rain and provide material to build up the ground under the buildings.
” … the AGW’ers love to mention the regular flooding of Miami Beach as the “proof” that the seas are rising …”
Of course Miami is not having any problems with rising seas. And neither is Daytona Beach or New Smyrna Beach or any of the beaches in all of Florida. We do have problems with natural erosion due to building right up to the sea, but the rich people get us poor people to pay for them having sand put down to keep their properties nice. (and the bleeding people never even say thank you)
FL. (sigh) we’re all ok down here.
30 years we’ve had a condo on the beach and no discernable sea level rise. Canaveral moved the lighthouse 100 years ago because the sand point was eroding. It’s what happens on a barrier island.
City of Miami Beach should just rename themselves ecolooncity They seem to believe the sea level will stop rising if CO2 emissions would stop instead of preparing even for the past (forgot who said that one) They have an occasional tidal flood problem; it’s time to start bringing in more fill. King Canute please call your office. Eventually there will be a significant hurricane surge that’s going to force the issue.
It has always been my understanding that the SouthEastern part of NA is is subsiding while the NorthEastern area is rising. Also, due to the amazing variety of forces from tides, gravity, wind, subsidence, thermal changes, etc., it is not possible to accurately measure sea level. NOAA and NASA are now politically corrupted organizations. They claim that sea level rise is a fact because of thermal expansion caused by global warming. The fact that no sea level rise has been measured and no appreciable sea temperature increase has been found does not stop those agencies from spreading the blatant propaganda that they are impelled to produce.
It is true that just measuring the height of water is not sufficient to make any claim until you rule out all other contributing factors, of which there are many.
Tide gauges matter, that’s where our bloody shores are that we are “so concerned about”.
Ah sure, NASA use average global purely because they can always cook up more heat when it suits, meanwhile central Europe and a lot of the US is is still waiting for Spring, it’s almost April. More polar air to come down from the north as well. Even if we experience a smaller LIA NASA’s anomaly will be ever increasing. In the past 5 years, there have been extremes of cold and snow not seen in modern history, snow in Israel Saudi Arabia in places, places in Vietnam and Japan that don’t have recorded snow at all. Serious increase in extreme colds, the US smashed thousands of cold records in the past 5 years.
But one massive indicator for me, about things getting cooler, was Obama’s science advisor and Mann trying to claim it is because of global warming, without even studying it.. ROFL
Give us money, let us tax you, and we can control the weather. And if your linen is too white, we will burn you at the stake for being a witch.
People simply aren’t willing to give up their freedom, prosperity and life savings to the government for vague promises of making the weather better in a hundred years.
This turd can’t be polished.
Ownage
…besides, by “better”, it would have to be more accommodating to plant life, which would require an even higher level of CO2. These tools of “Climate Change” want just the opposite, so they oppose the one thing that makes this world an inhabitable place. Maybe one-way space tickets for them to Mars is the best solution.
Lots of unsold hockey sticks on the shelf I see.
+1,000,000
I don’t think that those bookshelves were ever going to want for fictional content.
Have you looked at the other assorted titles. High Tide on Main Street? I must buy a copy of that!!!(sarc)
At least Lomborg got in there.
But, then again, Lomborg sold out/chickened out in order not to be dismissed/discredited by academia.
Lomborg’s big idea is that we give more money to boffins.
We did that already.
And we got Micheal Mann!!!
No. He bought them himself otherwise the bookshelf would look rather bare of fiction.
Well, other than his “Nobel Prize” proudly displayed.
I counted 10.
But considering Mann’s ego, that could be his personal library.
Is it just me or does Mann always come across as being somewhat menacing?
Not menacing, misguided!
For me, the creepy one is Hansen. Mann just looks pathetic.
Menacing?
More like this guy.
https://youtu.be/MGk63f1PM9c?t=11
…What is the most newsworthy? Yet more vague repeated warnings about “imminent” climate problems which never manifest………
Actually, I find a human interest story on the British media of a cat that survived being posted in a crate more engrossing…..
I [knew] I should have added more postage!
[The gnu knew you you used new stamps. .mod]
Knew, ha!
Michael Mann wrote a book “The Hockeystick and the Climate Wars?” The guy is calling attention to his fraud? This guy is crazier than I thought, unless the book was written after the fraud was discovered, and he wrote it to cover his tracks. My bet is he blames others for the crimes that he has committed. Blame others of what you are guilty is Saul Alynski’s favorite deception tactic. If it sticks, others go to jail for the crime you committed. Facts are this guy had better hope Trump doesn’t get elected because I’m pretty confident there will be an investigation into science grants going to the field of climate “science.”
The vandalism being done to the climate records of the United States, and the world, needs to be halted, identified and corrected. Prison should be an option for any brought to justice, with civil penalties also for restitution and future deterrence. Those records don’t belong to Democrats and Brusselians (Brusseleirs), they belong to the citizens of the US and deserve protection by law, not rule. As for Mann, he should be happily relegated to the Ehrichian Chair of Soothsaying, in a private slice of academia.
I really hope they do ask these questions, the evidence will turn more of the public against them. The sea level rate of change has been decreasing, not increasing. If anyone understands the importance of warm climate, it is the people that deliberately move to Florida. Floridians arguing against global warming is the most nonsensical climate change argument I’ve heard. The last thing climate alarmists should be asking for is a debate of the data and facts.
To be fair, sea level rise is a serious issue to Floridians. Salt-water intrusion into drinking-water aquifers has been an on-going problem in South Florida, and that problem worsens with higher sea levels. Miami has a major focus on it because they’ve seen higher sea level rise there than much of the globe in recent decades.
This covers it with a focus mostly on real-world data and historical events rather than too much IPCC or modeling. http://www.rsmas.miami.edu/blog/2014/10/03/sea-level-rise-in-miami/
Keep pulling fresh water out of aquifers that border the ocean, and the ocean will move in to fill the void.
Unless the land also sinks because now there is nothing holding it up, in which case the water flows in to fill the void on the surface.
Add to that naturally occurring sinking on an already low lying area, and yes, you got problems.
Yes and taxes will fix it how? Put it this way, nearly 400 billion was spent mostly on mitigation of emissions in 2014. How much of that do you think would help solve the problems in Florida?
A 100th of that 400 billion would have gone a long way towards UK’s complete lack of northern flood defenses, floods which were then used as propaganda, as is Florida, there is a problem, nothing is done in any real way, and the results are used by the warmists as proof of CAGW.
It seems that if the 5 water management districts were given proper funding to solve water issues and there were projects to prevent erosion, things might be different.
The Maldives is not sinking but eroding and they have also managed water very badly, and for playing the sea level rise poster boy for the UN, they are getting the money for a new water system. This is how you buy catastrophe adverts from poor nations, Mugabe destroys farming, global warming gets blamed, Mugabe gets money. Makes one want to vomit
Ok, so this is the problem when you let the alarmists set the language tone as salt water intrusion. As alluded below the issue needs to be framed as fresh water extraction; and if you believe the diagram has no real component of sea level rise
Questions that should be asked about climate change:
1) How many people are you willing to throw out of a job to stop the sea level from increasing?
2) How high do you promise to drive the price of gas and coal burning electricity to force the American public to accept Wind and Solar?
3) How many schools, hospitals, roads, clinics, etc etc are you willing not to build to fund more wind and solar farms?
4) Will you increase the length of unemployment benefits for the coal, mining, pipeline workers displaced by climate change adaptation prevention litigation and legislation?
5) How does climate change legislation help the poor in the South Side of Chicago? Wouldn’t that money wasted on flying Michael Mann around be better spent of social services and more cops?
Gotta disagree, expanding government and reliance on government is = lesser economy, apathy and reliance on handouts and too much regulation.
Kids cant even sell lemonade, MY FK, wtf is going on in America. In some cities and states you cant collect rainwater and you cant keep chickens on your land.
Insane.
No free markets as the gov controls money, fact, inflation is theft.
Farmers cannot fart now with breaking some federal or state regulation.
There was that guy who built his own lake on his land, then bought fish to put in it, and was charged for illegal fishing!! as well as building the lake.
Big government is the worst thing you can have, regulations and such mean people can’t hustle for their own needs, and need handouts, even foraging is illegal in places.
Eventually the laws and regulations encompass everything in society, and you live under communist bureaucracy even if the “politicians” are not communists.
Mann needs a lesson in human nature 101. It’s the old “boy who cried wolf” thing, Michael. Also, people are pretty quick to discount the hyperbolic over-use of superlatives. Just study a few television car ads. “Introducing the “all new” XXX, showing a shiny crossover, barreling down an empty highway at twice the speed limit, not another vehicle in sight. Yes. this is a perfect example of media advertising TRUTH. The reality? There’s no such thing as an “all new” car. It’s basically the same pig with a little different lipstick. There are no empty highways, just traffic jams for the evening commute.
..Why do Mikey Mann’s beady little eyes remind me of a rat ??
I raise rats for pet stores. Rats are insulted by your comment.
Duzzat include rats for snake stores ??
g
Being Jewish I take issue with that comment. I didn’t realize this was a place where Nazi era anti semitism was tolerated.
[Reply: This moderator finds no inference to any anti-semitic comment. If I missed it, please point it out and it will be deleted. .mod]
If Anthony agrees with his moderator I will drop the complaint here
[Reply: Once again: which comment were you referring to? ~mod]
…Sorry, I didn’t know they actually had a religion !! Learn something new every day …..
If you can’t see the obvious anti-semitic “dog whistle” comments, then leave them up and let it reflect badly on this blog.
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Rather than bemoan, Mann should feel relieved that the braindead media didn’t post skeptical questions that displays the sheer ignorance of the Democratic candidates, in this case, about an issue they know nothing about.
I notice that self-style “scientist” is sitting in front of a set of shelves containing only books which present an alarmist view of climate change. (Photo above.)
If he were in reality interested in taking an objective view, then it would be reasonable to imagine that he might share his interests between alarmist, moderate and skeptical analyses.
My bookshelf contains books ranging from alarmist to skeptical in character.
I was interested in getting both sides of the story.
It seems to me, that merely through his choice of literature, Mr Mann has cherry-picked and introduced bias.
I wonder whether he has devised an automated system by which he can order 390 copies of books that confirm his prejudice, whilst placing books containing unwanted truths in a “secret” folder marked “censored”.
I counted 10 copies of his
“…Climate Wars” book (and the row kept going past the edge of the photo!). Sales must be slow.
It did not look like ANY book on those shelves was the least bit technical; just tomes of anecdotes fulfilling Schneider’s recommendation to write “scary” scenarios.
He does looks like he hasn’t missed a meal in a long time though. /snark
Yeah, Mann has had an awful decade of minor tribulations and recourse to lying his way out of a corner.
All of the defensiveness must have caused him a great deal of stress.
And he seems to have taken refuge in the anxiolytic/sedative properties of excess food.
That’s a speculative theory of mine.
Of course, I am using the dimensions of his head as a proxy for his total mass.
I have to assume that the girth of the trunk is increasing year on year.
All other variables assumed to be held constant.
That struck be as well. But the lowest shelf in the background has what look to be ancient tomes. I’m sure there’s really technical stuff about the lack of existence of a MWP in those and some druid methods for communicating with treenometers.
“I was interested in getting both sides of the story.”
In most of Climate Science, this would be known as a CLM (career-limiting move).
Yeah, it’s worked for me.
I used to harbour a fantasy that one day I could make some contribution to the discussion regarding efficient energy production and a realistic appraisal of the environmental consequences of choices made in our lives.
But, I now realize that almost nobody would read it.
And even if anyone read it then a team of activists would be put to work “debunking” it.
It’s all about politics and money now. Science and engineering have been more or less completely trashed.
And the mass of people just want their polarized* position re-confirmed again and again, it seems.
*The polarity of their views can be conveniently determined by which polar sea ice they most frequently reference. North or South!!
Amateur portrait photography.
I know a real photographer, who could take a picture of Mike Mann, in exactly the same spot, Mike is sitting/standing/whatever, with exactly that same rack of books, and end up with a pleasant (unretouched/unshopped/In camera) photograph, with a totally pleasant looking Michael Mann in front of a totally black background, instead of those distracting books, and moreover take his photograph without doing anything at all, to all of that lighting on Mikey’s bookshelf.
No he would not (need to) put a black cloth behind Mikeys head, although he certainly could to make it easier.
I watched that particular photographer do exactly that, in fact he took such a picture with just an ordinary camera, of the guy who was sitting in the chair right next to the one I was sitting in, inside a well lit store with customers ‘ over there ‘ shopping in that store.
We could have been sitting side by side in a movie theatre with the lights off or in an air liner with the lights on, but we weren’t. We were just listening to the guy tell us how to take good pictures.
G
PS the guy works for a company that makes photographic equipment, and all he does is talk about making photographs. He is prohibited (by his employer) from using Photoshop or any look alike program to alter photographs. He is not allowed to make any pictures of his available, in any way linked to his employer, that were not produced inside the camera by pushing the shutter button (either directly or remotely).
Wish I could do that.
I just wonder whether Mann is a good computer programmer who deliberately rigged a program to find a “hockey stick”, or a bad programmer who found a “hockey stick” in an inadequate program. Villain or ignorant zealot (not that they are mutually exclusive)?
Poll after poll show that both US and international respondents place Global Warming at or near the very bottom of a long-list of concerns and priorities.
Detailed polls also show that by large margins people will regurgitate climate propaganda. But when it comes to paying for “action” through carbon tax rackets, the numbers are flipped. 65% of those polled adamantly oppose carbon taxes designed to deter use of fuels and electricity. Which is why political candidates don’t run on “We’ll raise your taxes on fuels and electricity and triple prices as they do in Germany”.
That’s why Killary Klinton will lose in November (if she’s not indicted). Her GOP opponents will absolutely bash her on the Carbon Tax issue. This will be the 2016 version of the Willie Horton attack ad… Klinton’s campaign will never recover.
RETRACTION: HRC has NOT endorsed a carbon tax, much to the chagrin of Climate Hysterics. Sanders has.
Clinton’s reluctance perhaps proves my point that carbon taxes are toxic for political candidates.
Never underestimate the stupidity of some American voters.
g
“For most Americans, climate change is not a crisis,” said Bill Schneider, a veteran political analyst who has covered every presidential election since 1976. No, Bill. For ALL Americans, climate change is not a crisis!
People do not get alarmed when they are told something catastrophic is going to happen and then nothing happens. People are getting to the point that they believe nothing that the hear from the MSM. This happened in the old USSR with Pravda and Izvestia.
Reality is a bitch when you are trying to spread propaganda.
Alas and alack; Climate Change, aka weather just isn’t what it used to be in those heady days of perhaps a decade ago, and especially after Gore’s cherry picker stunt showing how “scary high” CO2 had gone. Unfortunately for Mann and his ilk, those days are gone forever. The climate furor is fading, because it never had any foundation to it.
Research by Florida State U showed there were many settlements of the Calusa Indians along the southwest coast of Florida that moved in accordance with changes in the coastline do to sea level changes. It showed that the coastline varied considerably over time well before the industrial age. Sorry I do not have the link.
I see that ME Mann has managed to fill his top shelf with many of the remaindered copies of his book. Sweet.
See: Pete of Perth March 27, 2016 at 5:10 am “Lots of unsold hockey sticks on the shelf I see.”
You are 3 hours late!
Why are we failing to stop global warming you ask. Because every article you read and scientific paper published fails to address the real cause of global warming.
You can cut back on fossil fuel consumption all you want but it will have the effect it currently does. Year after year of continued global warming increases, melting glaciers, and sea level rise. You can continue with this failed practices much like the politicians that propose carbon plans then invest in these companies that sell them so they get rich. But you want to know the cause of global warming that the politicians and scientific community are afraid to tell you. It is this over population of the earth. The earth was not meant to have 7 billion people it simply cannot sustain that many people. It can only sustain less than 1 billion. The harvesting of crops to feed this many people is destroying the earth and the emissions from their vehicles and vehicles needed to sustain them, the power they need for their daily lives it is creating global warming on scale we have never seen before. It is killing the earth. The following is a step plan to stop global warming.
1. Immediate elimination of 5 trillion of the population. I would start with the climate change deniers and the mentally and physically challenged. Then anyone over 50. Then people of lower IQ’s. We should follow nature’s survival of the fittest. Any country that refused to submit to this criteria would be met with a nuclear attack and their entire population eliminated.
2. I realize step 1 would cause a temporary increase in global warming from the incineration of these bodies but it would be needed to prevent disease and the benefits would outweigh the costs.
3. We would still be overpopulated but we would deal with the rest over time. Child birth would be limited to 1 child per couple and then would be sterilized. This would in theory cut the population by two thirds every generation but in practice it wouldn’t due to massively lower pollution levels and the health benifits that would lead to a far longer life span and this life span would increase with each generation.
4. Vehicles would be limited to one per family/household. All employment would be limited to 10 miles of home and all vehicles would be electric.
5. Meat would be eliminated from the diet people can live on a total vegan diet. Animals would be eliminated one year after the initial human purge due to their high methane output which is a very potent cause of global warming. This would also give the world time to convert to a all vegan diet.
6. The UN would become the world government and would tax the people at 100 percent. It would then evenly distribute this money to all the people of the world minus it’s operating costs.
7. Through these tax dollars it would pay for everyone to have off grid solar.
I hope you forgot the “/sarc” tag.
(There are nuts out there think one or more of your points are a good idea.)
“Immediate elimination of 5 trillion of the population.”
Clearly this communication comes from the future, so I think we should wait until we get to one trillion before taking any of these drastic measures. When’s that supposed to happen, next month or so?
Bun So – I see no mention of eliminating yourself as a start. Why would anyone follow someone who will not partake of their own poison. Stop contaminating this world and this blog. There is a special place in hell waiting for you. Bye. GK
I smell the outline of a photo shopped book with its cover facing the camera.
C’mon Mann, did you forget Paris? A deal was struck to save the world!
The media doesn’t cover/emphasize climate change enough…really? Well here’s your chance to make a difference! Become a journalist. Quit that dead-end climate scientist job.
Then again, I guess over a decade of Real Climate has been a failure as a media mouthpiece.
Is Mikey Mann related to Alfred Hitchcock? They look a lot alike and both wrote scary fiction.
I thought Hitchcock just made scary movies.
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After looking at Mann’s mugshot , I have determined absolutely that, I would never buy a used car from him.
MM appears to have some (as yet) unsold copies of his previous book available. They are visible on the top shelf behind his right ear. Not forgetting the prominently placed copy behind his left ear. Perhaps he distributes these to the needy.
That’s one thing that (even as a ‘warmist’) annoys me about Mann. He never misses an opportunity to promote himself and his work.
Not saying that it undermines his work; but it’s just a bit too much for my humble suburbanite UK tastes.
He gives a copy to everyone who leaves his office. Each day he retrieves said copies from the garbage can outside his office and recycles them back to the shelf. Very efficient. GK
If it weren’t for the public’s general “Interest in Climate Change” then sites like WUWT wouldn’t exist.
“If it weren’t for the political hyping of “Climate Change” then sites like WUWT would be talking about something else.”
(Fixed it for you.)
PS The “public’s general interest in Climate Change” is waning.
Why else would Mickey be building up to another tantrum?
“Winter wiped out by high temperatures.”
That sounds like weather, not climate change.
These people are unbelievable. Really.
Perhaps if AGW climate scientist/advocates did less headline-grabbing, the public at large would view the problem with greater credibility.
“…and other environmental issues such as land use, pollution and mining.”
Mining? This shows how disconnected from reality these guys are. Humans and their forebears have been utilizing rock and metal materials since before the last several ice maxima. Our survival depends on metals and minerals. Mike’s shelf is held up by metal brackets, the wood has been sawn, planed, sanded and painted with metals and mineral materials and tools. His suit woven by looms made of metals and the textile raw materials harvested, shorn, spun….His teeth filled/capped with metals and mineral materials and products from oil and gas. His office heated with gas/oil/electricity from plants made of metals and minerals. The window he looks out of, the streets and walls and autos…..potash, phosphate minerals and nitrogen from natural gas processes fertilize the fields where his food is grown … salt in his food he directly eats…How about everything we eat wear or use has minerals and metals in its makeup. Let’s not forget the rare earths misused in windmill dynamos had to come from the earth. Printing and making his worthless books and coloring the cover came from materials and machines – the paper is filled with fine calcium carbonate. Let’s not forget! Let’s not forget that without minerals and metals we would go extinct in days. And this guy is today’s scientist? Shame on all of these troughers.
The only thing ravaged in the earth has a fever global warming con game is the truth .
Despite serious effort on the part of the media to pump the scary global warming tires
even they are to embarrassed to preach the gospel at the risk of showing they were duped .
The public isn’t buying it so huff and puff warmies your 15 minutes of ego inflation is over .
The disappearing hockey stick has arrived .
Ha ha on Mann.
I would nominate for Tay the “Valley Girl” AI for Secretary of Dept. Of State. “Oh Tay Can U Thsee.”
Ha ha 😉
Mr. Mann has been a contributor to the skepticism surrounding Climate Change. His lawsuits, his refusal to share data, his proven lies and suspected lies, his opaque methods and his blatant arrogance has caused people who are pro science and willing to believe to become leery of supporting that which they believe is being manipulated for financial and political gain.
A truly pure scientific endeavor would do the studies accept the criticisms, found solutions, changed their data and models and done everything in their power to compromise on that which is not certain at this time in an obvious and open effort to arrive at the truth.
This has certainly not been the cases with the Climate Change proponents and their scientific counterparts. And event he laymen can see that and thus suspicious of ANY results.
Congratulations Mr. Mann. You and others have single handedly caused science to be held in contempt and suspicion and your continued whining and moaning about the results just show how out of touch you really are. And seem unwilling to face the possibility that you yourselves are the problem and not the solution.
I am a Penn Stater, earth sciences, engineering, Mann is my biggest embarrassment. Amazing how universities wil whore for Money!
I have friends (married couple) who are both PhD in Chemistry postgrads from PS in the 70’s who share your dismay. They have been instrumental in GMO development and corn-to-ethanol research. They find his tactics to be more scientology than legitimate research.
Joe Bastardi is from there and we know what he thinks.
Does anyone know the reference for this statement?
Yes, I realize there’s a chance this was fabricated. Just hoping to see it with my own eyes if it exists.
Your quote may have been based upon the opinions of folks dumb enough to answer a call from an unrecognised caller.
I think it’s from this poll: http://www.gallup.com/poll/190010/concern-global-warming-eight-year-high.aspx?utm_source=alert&utm_medium=email&utm_content=heading&utm_campaign=syndication
They conclude with this;
So, people’s attitudes about “climate change” seem to have more to do with weather, (and weather hype) and how they vote than anything else.
Still reckon you put a funny hat on him and Elmar Fudd would have a twin .
Michael Mann bemoans lack of interest in Michael Mann.
Good one!
Pennsylvania is a long way from the nearest beach, and it shows. Interest in climate change has peaked, primarily because nothing interesting in climate is going on to report. They are now down into looking for signals in noise to try to fetch up some warming.
Like all hysteria, climate change hysteria has a life cycle. It began with Al Gore’s video The Inconvenient Truth and would not have gained traction were it not for the advent of the video as a popular medium. I estimated it would peak in late 2013. I believe this is correct and we are now seeing the ebb of the hysteria, I now believe the end will come in early to mid 2017. I agree the US presidential election may effect that date. But only in a minor way. It will be replaced by some new hysteria, and eventually someone will get lucky and go hysterical about something which will turn out to be real. I have no idea what. Essentially, once society gets enough to live comfortability, its handlers invent a crisis to exert control in the way that human sacrifices were used by ancient tribes. Hanson is beginning to worry,
Yes
What he and a lot of other protagonists really bemoan is the lack of a carbon tax amounting to more gold than the mythical city of El Dorado. You really can’t get any higher level of WH policy talking effort on climate change scare tactics or even attacking skeptics from the podium than what we have experienced to date, so it is the money that defines the difference here.
Roses are red,
violets are blue.
Nobody cares so
why should you?
Michael E. Mann (Professor at Penn State) created a mythology wherein he was a suffering hero against evil fossil fuel use. The mythology failed to infest the normal rational part of the public or broader science community.
The myth is dead. That puts Mann’s creation in a mythological dust bin.
John
Over reach has its limits.
Poor little Mikey. Standing there bare-arsed and red-faced with his little wee stick drooping down for all to see, and all the boys and girls are pointing and laughing.