From the “Josh predicted this” department, see stage 5.
As Predicted: Paris Climate Talks Deadlocked
India’s crucial role at the climate change talks in Paris has once again been underlined by a high-level outreach by the United States, including a call to Prime Minister Modi from President Barack Obama who hopes to cement his legacy with an ambitious global agreement on curbing global warming.
Obama reached out to Modi on Tuesday in an attempt to break the deadlock at the climate summit, where the responsibility of developing countries such as India in tackling rising global temperatures has been a sticking point.
He spoke to Modi hours before US Secretary for State John Kerry and environment minister Prakash Javadekar held a 45-minute meeting in Paris.
Sources said the meeting between Kerry and Javadekar failed to reach a compromise on a number of issues, including redefining the differentiation between the rich and the developing world in “changed circumstances” and a proposed review and verification of climate action plans.
Obama’s move was apparently aimed at breaking the ice and resolving contentious issues before the first draft of the ministerial consultations was released on Wednesday. Sources said an agreement in Paris will not be possible without India and the US converging on a range of issues. A lot is at stake for both countries as the Paris climate agreement on limiting carbon emissions and financing cleaner energy will have a far reaching impact on their economies.
Obama, who faces opposition to his clean energy plan in the Republican-controlled US Congress – both chambers – and multiple states, wants to leave the White House next year with a “climate legacy” that protects American interests. This could mean India losing out on cheaper cleaner technologies, having to pay in future to the global climate fund and contending with an intrusive review mechanism for climate action plans.
“Both leaders underscored their strong commitment to address issues related to climate change being discussed in the Paris conference through constructive engagement, without impeding the progress of developing countries,” a statement from the Prime Minister’s Office said on the conversation between Modi and Obama.
The White House, in a statement, said both leaders emphasised their “personal commitment to secure a strong climate change agreement” and their interest in the two countries “working together to achieve a successful outcome”.
The conversations between India and the US are important for forging a deal in Paris that is acceptable to all while maintaining a balance between the interests of the two countries. India and the US have taken divergent stands on key issues.
“There was very little agreement on most issues,” a negotiator from a developing country said.
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Cue the Pope!!! I guess we will get real Pontificating now!!!
Kerry just needs to offer a few more Billion USD that will never be forthcoming from the US Congress.
joe,
I think your estimate is a little ‘light’.
“Our preliminary assessment indicates that the implementation of our climate change pledges (the INDCs) up to 2030 would cost approximately $2.5 trillion”
Neville Chamberlain: “Peace in our time!”
Bill Clinton: “North Korea has agreed – no nukes! (Where’s all da white women at?)”
B. Hussein Obama: “We’re all gonna , ahhhhm … survive another 100 years! It’s who we are.”
You have to give it to Josh:
The 7 stages of Climate hysteria – UN Climate Talks. The Ritual.
As usual, it’s spot on!
It’s true! It’s true! The crown has made it clear.
The climate must be perfect all the year.
A law was made a distant moon ago here:
July and August cannot be too hot.
And there’s a legal limit to the snow here
In Camelot.
The winter is forbidden till December
And exits March the second on the dot.
By order, summer lingers through September
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it sounds a bit bizarre,
But in Camelot, Camelot
That’s how conditions are.
The rain may never fall till after sundown.
By eight, the morning fog must disappear.
In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.
Camelot! Camelot!
I know it gives a person pause,
But in Camelot, Camelot
Those are the legal laws.
The snow may never slush upon the hillside.
By nine p.m. the moonlight must appear.
In short, there’s simply not
A more congenial spot
For happily-ever-aftering than here
In Camelot.
Bravo. Evokes the Monty Pythons 😉
Bravo. Evokes Richard Harris in Camelot… and my high school sweetie coming out of the theater afterwards, daubing her eyes.
I prefer this version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h7E5rtnFH4
Fantastic. I’d like to use this. How can i give you proper credit?
The comment is the lyrics from the song “Camelot”, from the play and movie of the same name, composed by Alan Jay Lerner and Frederick Loewe. I neither deserve nor need credit. You can listen to Richard Burton sing it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h7E5rtnFH4
Ed Reid
That piece from Camelot works perfectly as it was originally written.
The previous song, “I Wonder What The King is Doing Tonight?” inspired me to make some modifications when ClimateGate broke and was rattling Jones and company:
I Wonder What the Team is Doing Tonight
I know what you skeptics are thinking tonight,
As home in pajamas you ponder
All of you smiling in secret delight
You stare at our emails and wonder
The media’s leaning our way
But we still hear the blogosphere say:
I wonder what the team is doing tonight?
What database are they misconstruing tonight?
The emails at the U have finally seen the light
They show how many tricks we used to cause fright
How go the mass deletions
Just before investigations
Are illegally politically prepared?
Well, I’ll tell you what the team is doing tonight:
We’re scared!
We’re scared!
You mean that a Team so skeptic-wary
Who tricked up the graphs to make them scary
Answers the phone in terror and distress?
Yes!
A Team who likes skeptics just to pick on
‘Cause they can spot our hockey stick-on
Faces the media petrified with fright?
Right!
You mean that appalling clamoring
That sounds like a hard drive hammering
Is merely deleting declines of degrees?
Please!
You wonder what the Team is wishing tonight?
We’re wishing they weren’t successful fishing tonight!
What occupies our time while waiting for the axe?
We’re watching even friends now launching attacks
And oh, the Harry_Read_Me,
That said “fake the temps if need be”
That expose that we’ve been crooked, crude and dumb
Well, I’ll tell you what the Team is feeling tonight:
We’re numb!
We shake!
We quail! We quake!
And that’s what the Team is doing
Tonight.
===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle
Dumbledore sang that, right?
Pity he can’t use the Eldar Wand to bring the fools back to reality so they stop meddling with the Muggles. (That is “us” living in the real world.)
I thought “Camelot” — words and music — fit perfectly in the Climate Audit Thread on Canadian Climate Science Presentations to “Le Dauphin” — so I added a reference there.
Forgive me for what I have done for I know not what the climate wrought!
Very well done. I can still see Richard Harris’ eyes raking over one of those Redgrave women while he ‘sang’ that song.
Well played!
Maybe India feels that addressing rampant poverty is a more pressing concern than measures to combat global warming that in the end will cost trillions and accomplish absolutely nothing.
….but not as pressing as sending a rocket to Mars.
While I generally look at politicians from India with the same disdain that I look at most politicians I think Modi is a pretty smart guy. Modi knows Obama is a just an empty facade, and thinks even less of Kerry. I suspect that Modi will take this as an opportunity to lecture Obama on “reality.” Of course Obama and his minions, being locked into a world of their own making, will issue a statement such as “we have talked and see practical solutions going forward” … when in fact the political insiders at the WH have a notion of a practical solution as “blame it all on India.”
I don’t care who gets blamed, or why they do. As long as India refuses to sign up, this Paris UN Climate Change hoax is D-E-A-D in the water.
I don’t think it’s dead. It’s 4am Eastern on Friday. I will wager that “Mr. Iran Deal For My Legacy at Any Cost” is going to add to his legacy this weekend.
===|==============/ Keith DeHavelle
Hee-heee!
The breakthrough will be celebrated ecstatically, including by overjoyed and breathless reporters and newscasters. It will be for a 0.025 deg C reduction by 2100 instead of the 0.05 deg reduction target, and it will cost trillions of dollars and millions of jobs.
Oh what a surprise two lovely black eyes, now go home the war on terrorism is far more important than your fairy land of nod. Begone I say, begone.
The “breakthrough” will be a set of hollow pledges on money and coal sector cuts along the lines of China’s Wait and See at the End type pledge.
If there is an agreement, will it be on ‘an honor system’ to implement or will be ‘enforceable by somebody’ if a country fails to implement?
Looks like a possible stalemate which defaults to the final statement of the Paris meeting being something like, ‘We will endeavor to persevere to meet again and try again.’
John
In Canadian news they just announced that one of the reason why many coutrny doesnt want to sign is that they found out in the text that Human right is an option. So in 2009 they were trying to restrict even more poor country and this years they are putting human right has an option…. Bravo !!!
So what’s wrong with getting money for nuttin’ and chicks for free? http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/02/24/un-ipcc-climate-head-rajendra-pachauri-resigns-amid-sexual-harassment-allegations/
Send the marines.
US president thinks-Climate is worse than IS.
If US will give something to India I would recommend You to give them: The clean air act!
I predict they will agree on an agreement to fix a time and a location for the next meeting when they will put forward proposals to be agreed at the next meeting. And so on ad infinitum.
COP21 is already slated next November in Morocco.
Did you mean COP22?
Okay, okay you win. It will be $900 billion of U.S. middle class dollars and the keys to Fort Knox for India. And the low island countries are not part of the deal. Now can we set up the stage and start the worshiping event for the media poodles?
This says it all:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/09/why-bother-john-kerry-admits-american-co2-cuts-would-be-pointless/
WOW, I’m speechless !!! Somebody store this ( before the hard drives crash ) so we can throw it in every Eco-Terrorists face !!!
So, why is this little item not at the top of WUWT page 1? We need to get this out there before he starts back pedaling. It’s probably too late. Probably all of the truffles he has been eating went to his head.
Move along, folks. There is nothing to see here.
He said it was pointless if the developing nations did nothing. I was disgusted at the misrepresentation of what was said. I think Kerry’s an idiot, this whole UN process is bullcrap aimed at creating a world government, but I think misrepresenting what he said while posting the actual statement is anal. Then again, how many people probably actually listened to what Kerry said. Odd, when he ran for president he sounded intelligent, Guess Obama should have hired the same speech writers when he appointed him SoS.
Are these guys deluded or what ? Suddenly assuming godlike powers to change the temperature of the Earth at a whim ?
They don’t need an agreement. If they just moved the conference each year to another undeveloped country, the income from the 40 some odd thousand attendees would improve the host country’s economy much better than all of the false pledges. That way, by the time they finally figure out it was all just a ruse they will have at least have lifted several dozen undeveloped countries out of poverty.
but at least they all went to nice restaurants and hotels !!
I imagine that the vin plonk was over 100 euros a bottle from a year when the climate was just right for the grapes.
Don’t forget the many shopping opportunities Paris offers , after all it is the run up to Christmas .
The only world leader that doesn’t realize that Obama is powerless at the COP21 lovefest ( because of the U.S. congress ) , is Obama himself !!!
Oh, he knows. That’s why he selected John Kerry as his front man. Having the world’s biggest buffoon running around and braying loudly, deflects a lot of attention.
Wait! A breakthrough!! A crucial breakthrough!!! It’s coming, I tell ya.
What if a country refuses to take back its used politicians after the meeting?
We can store nuclear waste for a long time, but not politicians.
LOL!
France has gone through so much over the years, yet still exists, but no country could survive that. Send them all home with some lovely parting gifts.
All India wants is a few trillion dollars. What IS the problem? The US pays trillions just on interest each year on its national debt. Printing more money is fun – just do it.
Its not just the money , it is also that they want to be able to judge if they did with the money what they promised to do without outside review , and the right to ask for ever more ‘when’ it turns out it was not enough. And how can you turn them down , after all think of the planet.
a high-level outreach by the United States, including a call…
Modi…can you hang on a second….I’m about to T-off
Sometimes it seems like you’ve fallen through a wormhole into some bizarre sc-fi-scape where all of this has been caused by nothing more than some dopey nugget of pseudoscience. Wake me when it’s over …
He has some pretty strange ideas about what American interests are.