Looks like a hilarious positive feedback loop, more driving, more emissions, less trout, more driving…

From PENN STATE
When trying to explain the potential effects of climate change on plants, fish and wildlife, scientists usually resort to language that fails to convey the impact of warming. Now, a study by Penn State’s College of Agricultural Sciences fisheries researchers clearly explains the impact of projected warming waters on wild brook trout in the eastern U.S. for fishermen.
The eastern brook trout is a socially and economically important fish that occurs in small cold water streams and lakes, and self-sustaining populations support angling throughout the Appalachian Mountains, from Maine to Georgia. However, warming air temperatures are expected to reduce available cold-water habitat and result in a smaller brook trout distribution and fewer angling opportunities.
Building on recent research at Penn State, Tyler Wagner, adjunct professor of fisheries and Tyrell DeWeber, now a postdoctoral scholar at Oregon State University, used two models they previously developed, one predicting stream temperature and one predicting where brook trout might occur, to identify streams likely to support wild brook trout under current and future climate scenarios.
The researchers then calculated the distance required to drive from the centers of 23 cities spread throughout the eastern brook trout range to the 10 nearest stream segments likely to have wild brook trout under current and future conditions. They published their study in a recent issue of Fisheries.
“Climate change is expected to result in widespread changes in species distributions for freshwater fish species. Although anglers and other resource users could be greatly affected by these predicted changes, changes are rarely reported in ways that can be easily understood by the general public,” said Wagner, who is assistant unit leader of the Pennsylvania Cooperative Fish and Wildlife Research Unit at Penn State.
The effects of climate change on fish and wildlife are usually reported to the general public using summary metrics or maps designed to communicate concepts that are not normally encountered in everyday life, including changes in habitat suitability, range shifts, or increasing risks from disease or extreme events, according to Wagner. “Though these metrics are necessary, meaningful, and understood by scientists, many people lack the necessary training and background to readily understand them.”
“Further, scientists and nonscientists alike may struggle to convert these metrics into a currency that directly affects day-to-day life. Climate science is a complex issue, and when we communicate potential responses of vegetation, fish and wildlife to nonscientists, creative thinking with respect to the currency of communication will facilitate discussions between scientists, policy makers and the public.”
DeWeber, who was a doctoral student at Penn State when the research was conducted, noted that travel costs based on distance have been widely used to value ecosystem services such as angling under climate-change scenarios, but have not been used for communicating potential changes to the public, despite the intrinsic link to everyday life.
“Under current conditions, brook trout are predicted to occur in streams throughout the region, and average driving distances from cities to the nearest streams predicted to offer angling opportunities ranged from 4 to 87 miles. As a result of projected warming, driving distance to go fishing for wild brook trout was predicted to increase, on average, by almost 164 miles over the next 70 to 80 years.”
For example, the driving route from Philadelphia to the nearest brook trout stream was predicted to cover 249 miles in a warmer future, much longer than the current 48 miles.
The lengths of trips from many northern cities, such as Bangor, Maine, were predicted to increase but were still relatively short in the future because nearby streams were still predicted to support brook trout under warmer conditions.
In contrast, anglers in southern cities, such as Cleveland, Tennessee, would experience dramatic increases in the lengths of trips because brook trout are predicted to be lost in surrounding areas.
Although anglers tend to be very dedicated, DeWeber pointed out, it is unlikely that many would drive great distances to fish very often due to cost, especially if those last remaining streams become popular and crowded. He believes that losses of wild brook trout populations and increased trip lengths would likely result in reduced resource use in many areas.
But he suggested that people are unlikely to be concerned about the potential effects of warming if they do not understand what may be coming. “Communicating species responses to climate change in everyday language could greatly increase the ability of resource users and other members of the general public to understand and relate to predicted changes,” he said. “A clear understanding of potential changes might not lead to greater societal concern about species’ responses, but it may enable people to make informed decisions.”
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The U.S. Geological Survey, National Climate Change and the Wildlife Science Center supported this research.
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So is the new claim that fly-fishermen are an endangered species? (Because they are endangering themselves, of course.)
What a bunch of Carp!
I thought the claim was pretty fishy too, myself.
and Tyrell DeWeber
A Pisces, working for scale.
I’m sorry, Gamecock, that is de bait able. You see the MSM will fall for this hook line and sinker.
I’ve Haddock with these dodgy comments.
I think they are just a load of red Herrings to distract us from what are model Pisces.
James Bull
Ten thumbs up
So you’re not a fly fisherman, Vuil? Can’t tie on a fly because you’re all thumbs?
Runaway populations of invasive Asian Carp are bespoiling many of our nation’s waterways. There are far greater threats to native fish populations than speculative claims of temperature increases measured in 100’ths of a degree. Let them fish for Asian Carp.
+100
Not just carp. Govt. planted rainbow trout are the greatest threat to cutthroat trout via genetic swamping and eat eggs of brook trout. The delta smelt are not exterpated by man and low water flow, but by govt. introduced asian smelt dominating their breeding regions and eating their eggs along with some genetic swamping.
https://chiefio.wordpress.com/2015/05/21/drought-or-stupid-rescue-killing-delta-smelt/
Well they have it exactically backwards.
More drought usually means less rain, we prefer our droughts to be drier.
So less rain means river levels run lower, and the trout can’t get as far upstream to spawn in the gravel beds. And upstream is quite often at a higher altitude than downstream, which arrangement works best for water flow.
There are not a lot of mountains that you can drive directly into at the summit and go downhill from there, so that means you won’t have to drive as far uphill to get to the spawning waters that will often hold fish.
Come to think of it, we haven’t been able to run our boat up the river to the waterfall at Lake Nacimiento, for quite a few years. What waterfall ? There hasn’t been any Nacimiento river waterfall to get to for years.
It used to be an 18 mile boat ride from the launch ramp to the waterfall, now its more like a 12 mile ride until you run aground on the sandy bottom.
So total BS on the longer drive for drier fish.
G
Is that from the State Pen or Penn State & what is the difference?
“… what is the difference?”
At the state Pen one pays for his crimes, while at Penn State one is rewarded for his crimes.
(especially if one is a football coach or a “climatologist”)
Future people will wonder if Penn State is where we held our weirdos for safe keeping.
This has to be an article from The Onion. If it is not, then it is most stupid thing I have ever read.
This article from The Onion is less stupid:
http://www.theonion.com/graphic/details-obamas-climate-change-plan-50989
The good news is: Climate Change helps increase business for gas stations & tyre-replacement shops who’ll sell more of their products to anglers.
That’s funny.
30 years ago our crew of fishermen, fishing on inland lakes, would rush out to the nearest lake and start fishing at maybe 7-8:00 and fish till dark (even after drinking till 2:00 the night before ).
Nowadays it’s more like fish from 10:00 till noon, then drink till 2:00
I’m sure the fish appreciate the lack of commitment 🙂
Vary fishy. By what mechanism do stream waters increase T? Are they proposing lowered water levels? Increased stream bed temperastures where water flows over say, hot rocks?
Didn’t you know that acid rain is hot — that’s why acid burns. It all ties together.
Eugene WR Gallun
I know you’re being sarcastic, but that hurt me. On the inside.
Wow… these guys are so full of shit…
Loads of conclusions from Academics who never leave the computer Lab…. don’t know shit about temperatures, ecology… or the environment…
WHY do we fund this crap ??
warming?….what warming?
Kids won’t know what brook trout are…….
I”m sure there were a lot of trout under that glacier in Maine.
Latitude — Kids won’t know what brook trout are — got to love it — Eugene WR Gallun
Let me think: more time driving or impoverish the economy forever, hmm hmm…
Forget it, I can’t decide.
Tell em they can come to Wallowa County, capture all the non-native (introduced) brook trout they want, and ship em the hell out of our rainbow, salmon, and steelhead trout streams. They fight like crazy to eat whatever is in the stream, outperforming more docile (lazy?) rainbow trout. They can also swim faster than steelhead and devour salmon eggs nearly without pause to unbutton their trousers or take a food-coma nap!
Then whoever has a voice that can be heard, tell the Indian Tribes and EPA that closing off irrigation ditches with fish screens and preventing the ditches from running year round by putting head gates on them that close off the river flow to the ditches, has resulted in increased river bed crowding thus depredation in the main channel (which is NOT normal), as well as decreased gravel beds that WERE available in ditches away from hungry predators.
Stupid is as stupid does. Before all those regulations hit our county, we could flip salmon out of our ditches with shovels while engaged in the yearly chore of repairing the ditch channel.
PS: They are a halluvalotofun to catch, keeping your fishing pole jumpin and jivin while they take great leaps out of the water. I have caught them simply by using a smelly worm-juice smeared hook I had just taken out of a rainbow’s mouth. The hint you have caught a brook? You think you have a monster on the line only to reel in a throw-back 6 incher.
I have a picture of my Mon with a 5 lb smallmouth bass in one hand and her rod with the line wrapped around her hand in the other. The reel had come off the rod after she hooked it. She landed it anyway.
If I was as good a fisherman as she was, maybe I’d go fishing more often.
PAM YOU ARE THE BEST,
Could we also exterminate all the starlings, rock pigeons and Eurasian collared-doves while we’re at it?
Pamela Gray, I’ve always enjoyed your posts. Now I know I’d like to meet you and go fishing too 🙂 Best, Laurie
I haven’t been fishing this summer. Recovering from a broken foot. I have missed the zen of fishing very much.
Maybe trout fishermen should switch to bass? Problem solved.
[Too much treble and violens to switch to bass. .mod]
(Of course, we’d need a Government mandate to make them do that…..)
HELL NO!
😎
Bass: Lots of fight, no flavor. Forget it.
“[Too much treble and violens to switch to bass. .mod]”
Nice to see the mods having a little fun, and that was witty to boot.
So what fish will take their place in the local areas? Also I didn’t see any info on how much more pollution will be caused by the increased driving. Then the EPA will have to ban trout fishing to protect us from the pollution!
Well, a couple of thoughts.
First, we up here in northern Vermont simply don’t want the flatlanders driving up for our brook trout, so this is excellent news that they will waste away in their apartments in Boston and Hartford, their AC units cooling by wind turbine watts, bank accounts diminished by “ruinables” and convinced of this sad spray from Penn State and we’ll have the lovely speckled sides all to ourselves. We had no idea that Global Warming might be good for banishing the tourists, but thanks. Perhaps this is the true purpose of the messaging from State College, PA – excellent trout habitat very close by, but move on, nothing to see here.
Second, I drove 9500 miles last summer in my wood burning Tacoma towing a little camper to wander around and fish the rivers in and out of Yellowstone. (dedicated fishers do not care how far they must go or the price of gas we convert to plant food) In Yellowstone, park service employees were very busy mouthing the warming meme to the millions of visitors and I used to take great joy walking through those parties in my waders, rod held to the side, and hike down to the streams to dance with the trout. Along the Firehole, I played with trout within sight and sound of employees and visitor groups discussions of climate catastrophes. I’d yell up to them, “it’s worse than we thought right here, look” line screaming from the reel …
LOL! Yep. Price of tackle, license, gas, food, drink, bags to freeze the fish in, smoking equipment, etc…
WORTH.EVERY.PENNY
I actually prefer fishing for the winter run Steelies on the east side of your state, but hey, kids, jobs … oh, I’m retired now. I’ve heard tales of flipping salmon.
“The researchers then calculated the distance required to drive from the centers of 23 cities spread throughout the eastern brook trout range to the 10 nearest stream segments likely to have wild brook trout under current and future conditions.”
Well they forgot NB,NS,PEI, NFLD/LAB,QC. Climate change only happens in the US? No shortage of brookies anywhere “up” here. And Pamela nailed nailed it. The little brook buggers fight like h*ll, only to be too small to keep. Me? I prefer the muskie or 35 pound laker. :):).
“only to be too small to keep”
HA, nothing could be finer tasting than a frying pan full of 5” to 6” native Brookies that were caught out of a narrow mountain stream that was only half (1/2) as wide as the length of your Fly Rod.
Those “mountain” Brookies don’t grow longer (length) each year, ….. they grow thicker (fatter). “Fat n’ sassy fighters” …. and “tricky” to catch, ….. they are for a fact.
My grandpa was of the same mind. He preferred a pan full of brookies over rainbow every Catholic Friday. He was of the firm belief they tasted better and had a more cohesive flesh.
I too have fished narrow but well-gouged streams (IE wider at the bottom than at the overgrown, shaded top). Hard stream to fish in as your hook gets blown about in the fast running water and gets caught on vegetation.
While invasive in NE Oregon, I find them very pretty and fascinating to watch. I have spent countless hours watching brookies stalk grasshoppers as the hopper jumps from blade of grass to blade of grass along the edge and above the water line. Once the brook gets a clear shot, they will jump out of the water onto the grassy edge as they gulp down the hopper then flip themselves back into the water. Yes they get fatter, not longer, but the flesh is “meatier” due to their being so active, as opposed to the more mushy flesh of a fat rainbow who is quite lazy compared to a brook trout. Big rainbows stake out good holes and sit. Brookies, no matter how big, actively hunt and stalk.
The additional 2 commandments:
11. Thou shalt not close forest roads.
12. Thou shalt not ban fishing.
“…The eastern brook trout is a socially and economically important fish…”
Socially important fish? Wtf?
“…that occurs in small cold water streams and lakes…”
It “occurs?” Like an event or chemical reaction? Spontaneous generation?
Who writes this garbage?
Michael Jankowski
Good spot.
Who writes this garbage? Dimwits trying to appear intellectually sophisticated.
Eugene WR Gallun
”including changes in habitat suitability, range shifts, or increasing risks from disease or extreme events, according to Wagner. “Though these metrics are necessary, meaningful, and understood by scientists, many people lack the necessary training and background to readily understand them.”
The hubris would choke a crocodile! Yes the average Joe is a dummy so we have to explain that the higher up the mountain you go, the cooler it gets. This was the same thinking of Professor Gruber who designed Obamacare and opined that voters could be fooled to go for it because they are too stupid to understand it. Two eighth rate professors – a ‘Penn’ aggie ‘scientist’ and a whatever social schlock ‘expert’ the MIT Obamacare guy is, revealing how venal, vile, cynical as well as stupid they are.
A superiority complex is the worst and most intractable form of the inferiority complex. Our famous stick handler, also from the ‘Penn’, would seem also to be so stricken. Cleaning up tottering science and academia will become the biggest task faced by humankind. Working back into the early education system will have to go hand in hand with it.
I thought available cold water habitat is largely a function of spring fed streams, so global warming will impact source water that’s typically 160 feet or more below the surface, wow, this CO2 is powerful stuff
Or artesian fed streams from higher elevations that are typically 50 to 150+- miles farther away.
One of these poor chaps in now at Oregon State…the western US and parts of Oregon being areas where the eastern brook trout were introduced and are an invasive species that has reduced the numbers of native fish and trout. Ditto for where they’ve been introduced in Europe.
Well both Rainbow trout (actually California Russian River steelhead) and German Brown Trout, are introduced trash fish in New Zealand rivers and lakes, so now it is darned hard to find a good NZ river eel to catch any more.
People should leave well enough alone.
g
Not forgetting that those same trout are invasive trout in North America.
The rainbow trout is invasive, well almost anywhere outside of the Sierras. Even in the Sierra’s, it is believed that the Native Americans using baskets helped the fish expand their geographic range.
The brown trout is invasive anywhere it is found in North America. Darn little/big buggers…
I am used to posting stuff on this site along the lines of “does anyone who has lived in Britain over recent decades recognise any of this drivel”. On this occasion, however, I am driven to write “has anyone who has ever fished for wild salmonids recognise any if this drivel”? Yes, trout and char are cold water fish – but not to the point of not coping with temperature rises of the odd degree or two from a cold base line – EVEN IF SUCH CHANGES WERE HAPPENING (which they are not). In fact, a small rise in winter temperature would very probably increase annual feeding opportunity and lead to less time lying torpid in freeze-induced quasi-hibernation. In short, global warming might actually improve the fishing by increasing the health of the fish.
Either way, the article and research is just utter twaddle.
Quite frankly: BS. Much above 60F and they are quite stressed. See my comment below.
Long time no read ratty. Get stuck under your rock?
Anywhere that is deep enough to have thermoclines has water temperatures for healthy trout.
Any where that water borders the earth, as most of it does, has water at the right temperatures for trout.
All the trout need extra is sufficient food, aeration and water movement.
You said it Rattus “60F”. That is way over the normal water temperature for natural (not stocked) salmonid habitat, even in the height of summer. Yes, if water temperature reached 60F (as it does in smaller south east England stocked lakes each summer) the trout can become distressed, so they seek shade and cooler depths. Pushed further, they become torpid in much the same way as they do in winter for the opposite reason, ready to spark into life again when water conditions become more amenable, as they inevitably do. In general, unlses there are other complicating factors, they don’t die, just slow down so are useless for fishing for a period.
The critical point is that salmonids are well used to coping with significant swings in temperature in the course of each and every year – swings that are orders of magnitude greater than the potential effect on water temperatues from any forecast global warming. The original “research” remains total, utter nonsense put together by people who clearly have limited understanding of the totality of the environments they are talking about.
No fish for you!
I wonder when they will realize that the more they publish this drivel the lower their credibility with the public. When they bombard the public through the MSM every day with a trivial issue the less they get listened to..
My concern is how much taxpayer money was wasted on this study and who approved the foolish expenditure. They should be fired.
Another “Given global warming, . . .” study.
Assume a spherical cow.
Well in figuring whether one is likely to get struck by lightning, or not it is common to model the human body as a hemispherical boss on a conducting plane.
So spherical cows ??
Very likely, I would say !
g
george e. smith
In my whole life I have never heard about a cow being struck by lightning. That could be important.
Eugene WR Gallun
Just as well with all that methane the explosion (and mess) would be huge.
But on the up side ready cooked steak.
James Bull
Eugene,
Lots of cows in england indirectly struck by lightning every year, fatalities can occur where the cow is standing radialy from the point of the strike and within a given distance from the point of strike. If the cow is standing tangentially to the point of strike its generally not fatal due to the potential difference between the nearest legs and furthest legs from point of strike as the resulting current flow radiates from/to point of strike whether its a strike in the middle of a field or from a pole.
Not uncommon to see a cow zapped of life right next to a untouched cow, due to the leg aligment.
there`s data out there detailing it in detail
from cow country in deepest Devon
Another item I note that while I am not a fresh water fisherman, I do watch from my office window the stocking of the local river in the early spring when of course the water is cool and shortly thereafter fishermen line the banks of the river. I would hope that the fishing commission are smart enough the know when the water temperature is optimum to stock the river. Did the Penn State guys think about that?
DeWeber is DeMoron.