Peter Miesler Helps Expose USHCN Homogenization Insanity and Antarctic Illusions.

Guest essay by Jim Steele

I was recently notified, by a colleague familiar with my wildlife and restoration work in the Sierra Nevada, that a “whacko” was portraying my graph of temperature trends at Yosemite and Antarctica’s Dumont D’Durville as fraudulent. The skeptic basher had written, “A little research proved the numbers on this WUWT/Steele graph are wrong for “Yosemite.” Similarly, in an attempt to smear a segment of my IEEE presentation demonstrating the Emperor Penguins were not endangered, he sniped,Then Steele produces a homemade graph. The “real data“? I think not ! In fact, I have reason to believe it’s another one of Steele’s tricks intended to deceive the unskeptical.” Yet like a little bit of knowledge, a “little research” is a dangerous thing.

The “whacko” blogger turns out to be Peter Miesler. Anyone familiar with Miesler understands he is the most unlikely person to uncover global warming deception. Miesler is one of Anthony Watts’ blog spawn, (aka various versions of “CitizenChallenged,” many versions due to being banned from several sites for slanderous comments) and authors a small website from Durango CO called WhatsUpWithThatWatts et al., dedicated to assassinating the character of any and all skeptics. Slandering Sou is one of Miesler’s mentors and ally, and together they comprise the most rabid and dishonest of all bloggers I call the “Purveyors of Pernicious Prattle”. Miesler lacks any scientific training (and apparently lacks any scientific understanding) but is driven by politics writing, “Steele’s only intention seems to be feeding the Republican/Libertarian meme that scientists should not be trusted and that the under-educated should keep the “debate” alive, even though they don’t know or care for learning about the full spectrum of facts at hand.” (In truth my intention is to expose bad science, so we can be better advised by good science.)

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Miesler’s helpful role in the climate debates is more analogous to Gollum in Lord of the Rings, whose demented obsessions accidentally turned the tide of evil. Like so many alarmists, any climate scientist who has suggested CO2 warming has been detrimental to wildlife becomes “Precious” to Miesler. Thus by presenting evidence that contradicts their precious gloom and doom, my analyses are uncritically viewed as lies sponsored by some rightwing conspiracy.

Below is the Yosemite graph under attack. I had published this graph in my book in 2013 and noted the data had been downloaded from the US Historical Network (USHCN) in 2012. I have linked to this graph in a few internet articles such as one I posted to Watts-Up-With-That, in which I debunked Camille Parmesan’s seminal paper in which she argued global warming had exterminated several populations of the Edith’s Checkerspot Butterfly. A cooling trend since the 30s in maximum temperatures for California’s montane regions was one of many pieces of evidence contradicting her global warming scenario. Nonetheless she was fast-tracked to be one of just 4 biologists on the IPCC. Since debunking Parmesan, Miesler has been obsessed with slandering me whenever he can.

I do not want to waste too much time on Miesler’s slander. But people searching for links to my work do see his tirades. He often tries to spam any serious debates at other websites. Hopefully for those similarly attacked, posting a link to this post will provide the proper framework and expose his vacuous tactics. Any risk of increasing traffic to his website will likely be more beneficial as his Gollum-esque traits have been readily apparent. For example, Dr. Paul Opler (the first invertebrate specialist for the Endangered Species Act) was included in an email discussing how to deal with “Steele”, sent by Slandering Sou and Miesler to Cook at SkepticalScience, Climate Progress, and Dr. Singer (who hoist Sou by her own petard). Opler forwarded the email to me simply saying, “You must be coming awfully close to the truth!”

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I have referred to Yosemite’s temperature trend (in my IEEE presentation that Miesler has become obsessed with slandering) because it represented similar trends recorded in USHCN data throughout montane California, from the north at Mt Shasta in the Cascades, to Lake Tahoe (where my research was focused) and south to Death Valley. Likewise the peak warming in the 20s and 30s supported past analyses of California’s climatologist illustrating California’s rural counties had not experienced any warming that exceeded the 30s.

The poet William Shenstone wrote, “A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood.” Meisler is now on a mission to transform any and all skeptic truths into a falsehoods. My Yosemite graph was created purely from data downloaded from the US Historical Climate Network (USHCN) in January of 2012. Anyone (scientist or layperson), familiar with the climate data issues knows immediately that the USHCN data is a good place to compare temperature data, but Miesler’s “little research” apparently never looked in the most obvious place. So Miesler emailed the folks at the Western Regional Climate Center and their climatologist replied, “I can tell you this is not our graph nor is the data correct” and that was enough for Miesler to suggest the Yosemite graph was fraudulent. But the data is most definitely correct, if USHCN is to be trusted.

As seen in the Yosemite graph below, and downloaded from the USHCN website January 1, 2015, the trend is nearly identical to my “WUWT/Steele” graph. However because my Sierra Nevada research focused on snow pack and watershed effects, I had downloaded the USHCN data for the hydrological year, which extends from October of one year to September of the next. Thus the “year” in my graph refers to the later months (from January to September). The hydrological year slightly shifts temperature peaks and valleys seen in a January to December trend, which maybe why WRCC mistakenly thought my data was incorrect. Still the trend is very much the same, very accurate, and totally supports my assertion: Maximum temperatures have not risen since the 30s! If maximum temperatures have not exceeded that earlier peak, CO2 has not caused any regional “accumulation of heat” due to the hypothesized radiative imbalance; and Parmesan is still very wrong for suggesting global warming was extirpating butterflies.

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The WRCC climatologists correctly noted Yosemite’s raw data was not available until 1907, but USHCN’s adjusted data always starts in the 1890s. Since those earliest temperatures are merely modeled from data presumably collected elsewhere, early temperatures are susceptible to the “modeling whim du jour” and in this case the 2015 model had created a steeper 20th century warming trend in just 2 years. I finally realized the USHCN is perpetually altering temperature trends.

I had naively assumed that after the publication of Menne (2009), that USHCN trends published after 2009 would remain fixed because data had been quality controlled for all known changes in location and instrumentation and further homogenized whenever Menne’s algorithm assumed a changing trend might not be natural. Anthony Watts, myself and many others have questioned the distortions created by homogenization and have warned about resulting warming biases. One reason for questioning Menne’s fsulting bias, is evidenced when his homogenization algorithm minimized/eliminated a well-documented 20th century cooling trend in the south eastern portion of the USA. It is ironic that while Menne’s algorithm slowly eliminates a cooling trend in the original data, simultaneously southern USA is increasingly setting more record lows and more record lows are predicted for 2015. (With freezing temperatures in Jacksonville Florida will mangroves “flee” southward contradicting a previous bogus publication that global warming was moving mangroves northward?)

As an ecologist, I never trusted homogenized USHCN data because it alters trends in local mean temperature and removes local variability in an attempt to extract a presumed “real” climate trend. As Menne writes, “although homogenization generally ensures that climate trends can be more confidently inter-compared between sites, the effect of relative biases will still be reflected in the mean temperatures of homogenized series.” But Menne’s algorithm is definitely not ensuring reliable trends! Historical trends are dramatically reversing from warming to cooling in just over 2 years. After re-reading Menne (2004) I realized that USHCN data is updated monthly and fully reprocessed and adjusted for shifts from the recent past. Although tampering with raw data in other scientific disciplines results in retractions and disciplinary actions, Menne’s brand of science boasts, “Daily adjustments are thus a promising area for future HCN development.”

The bizarre consequences of USHCN’s monthly homogenization adjustments are seen by comparing changes in Death Valley’s maximum temperature trends over the past 2 years (solid black line). Adjustments were inflicted despite the fact the data had been quality controlled and adjusted several years before. The graph below (on the right) was published in may book in 2013 and also used in a post discussing how natural weather dynamics created Death Valley’s world-record high temperature long before CO2 concentrations had any significance. The new graph on the left was downloaded on January 2, 2015. Like so many “pesky” warming-peaks of the past that defy CO2 warming theory, USHCN’s algorithm is slowly whittling away at original temperature data that otherwise would reveal a more cyclical nature to climate change.

By what possible logic, would 2 years of additional data suddenly reverse a cooling trend since the 30s and create a warming trend? I suggest we need to ask Congress for a full investigation. (Hat tip to Miesler)

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I have also posted that the drop in Emperor Penguin numbers at the “March of the Penguin’s” colony (adjacent to the French research station Dumont D’urville and affectionately called DuDu by the locals) was likely due to researcher disturbance and there has been no evidence of “global warming.” I repeated that claim in my IEEE presentation illustrating the data downloaded from the British Arctic Survey in the graph below. But suggesting no climate doom for Emperor Penguins threatened Mielser’s “precious” beliefs and like so many alarmists, Miesler refuses to accept any documented facts that “global warming” is neither global nor harmful. All organisms act locally and the global warming statistic is a chimera of many local dynamics. Like monatne California and much of the eastern USA, there has simply been no warming since the 1930s. Yet in total denial, Mielser seeks refuge in the delusion that DuDu’s temperature trends are just a skeptic’s trick. Seeking solace Mielser queried Dr. Ainley. But like his mentor, he was hoist by his own petard. Ainley’s graphs had falsely suggested warming was killing the Emperors.

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Not only is my graph (above) verified by data from the British Arctic Survey, but at my request, the data illustrated in my graph is the reason Dr. Ainley removed his erroneous illustration (below-left) with the fallacious rising temperature arrow (blue) from his website penguinscience.com. (Ainley has now removed that graph from a web page, but unfortunately it still persists in his educational power point.) In what will surely drive Mielser to greater Gollum-esque depravity, Ainley’s earlier publication in 2005 also reveals Ainley knew all along that winter temperatures had been declining since 1970 as seen in his published graph below on the right. Yet desperately trying to parry documented truths , Miesler then uncritically copied and pasted text and graphs to attack me, but only revealed more misrepresentations by Ainley’s “educational” website and further illustrated Mielser’s biological ignorance. (Hat tip to Miesler)

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Mielser could not believe that DuDu’s Emperors had stopped declining once flipper banding ended. He seems to also deny satellite data that shows the number of known Emperors has doubled in recent years. Desperate for precious examples of climate doom, Miesler unwisely switched his focus to the Antarctic Peninsula on the other side of the continent. Apparently he was unaware that the declining Adelies on the peninsula are a different species, or that Adelies act very differently than Emperors. But like DuDu’s Emperors, declines in Adelie Penguins are rare local events, restricted to about 5% of Antarctica’s coastline and best explained by changes in the win direction. Furthermore the most recent survey data published in 2014 shows Adelies have thrived under climate change, increasing their abundance in Antarctica by 53% since 1993.

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But Mielser will cut and paste anything that has a hint of his precious climate doom. He posted Ainley’s other graph suggesting a correlation with rising peninsula temperatures and Adelie penguin declines. Ignorant of Adelie penguin biology and Antarctic climate change, Mielser didn’t realize that rising western peninsula temperature happen almost completely during the winter. But Adelie Penguins winter on ice floes north of the Antarctic Circle during the winter, and Ainely agrees warming winter trends on land have no biological significance for Adelies. And as discussed in a WUWT post, Paul Homewood posted the data for 2 western peninsula research stations showing no summer warming, the time when Adelies are on land breeding.

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Miesler further revealed his ignorance by mindlessly copying and pasting Ainley’s text that intimated dangerous warming. “In Antarctica’s far north (Anvers Island) air temperatures have become VERY warm and ice no longer forms on the sea.” Really??!!?? Lots of sea ice forms each year around Anvers Island. Researchers report that due to the changing winds, ice in that region forms a few weeks later and retreats a few weeks earlier, but there is still plenty of ice. So I dashed another email to Ainley requesting he correct that misinformation. Otherwise devotees of gloom and doom will continue to be misled. Although my constant corrections have strained our relationship, Ainley replied “I’m making changes to the penguinscience website to correct the sea ice persistence/prevalence issue along WAP

The fallacious alarmism surrounding the Emperor Penguins “imminent extinction” can be found in one of Miesler’s link to the Center of Biological Diversity. The CBD is the environmental legal outfit that sued the USA to list the polar bear and Emperor as endangered species due CO2 warming. The CBD wrote, “The Emperor colony at Terre Adelie in East Antarctica ”featured in the Academy Award-winning French documentary, March of the Penguins” plummeted by more than 50% in the late 1970s during a warm period with little sea ice cover, when adults died en masse. Because the sea ice continues to disintegrate, and the prolonged blizzards cause ongoing chick mortality, the colony has yet to recover.” And “When sea ice breaks up before their chicks have matured and grown their waterproof feathers, chicks that are swept into the ocean are likely to die.”

Yet there is absolutely no evidence Emperors “died en masse” or were even stressed. Sea ice is expanding to record extent and satellite pictures show lots of ice along the peninsula. Furthermore there is absolutely no evidence of local ice breakouts sweeping chicks to their death. At DuDu, there is only evidence of beneficial breakouts that allowed the penguins easier access to open waters to feed. When I asked Barbraud for evidence to support his published suggestions that devastating breakouts were killing chicks, he admitted, “evidence is hard to find”. (I posted our full email exchange in the comments section here.) Because there is absolutely no evidence for drowning chicks at DuDu, I suggested to Ainley, he also remove references to such events, but he is holding strong. Ainley’s peer reviewed publications, connecting global warming to the lack of recovering Emperors at DuDu, used drowning chicks as a likely reason. So unless Barbraud publishes a retraction, Ainley is holding strong to that illusion.

Although there is no excuse for the lies, distortions and rudeness posted by Mielser or Slandering Sou, I must sympathize to a limited degree. Their delusions have been supported by bad science from the USHCN and elsewhere, and when skeptics reveal the truth, it surely drives them mad.

Mark Twain astutely recognized, “In religion and politics people’s beliefs and convictions are in almost every case gotten at second-hand, and without examination, from authorities who have not themselves examined the questions at issue but have taken them at second-hand from other.” And while Peter Miesler and Slandering Sou are iconic examples of this failing, Twain’s remarks should be a warning to us all.

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CodeTech
January 7, 2015 10:11 pm

Well – I can’t see any possibility of an effective rebuttal to that….

Reply to  CodeTech
January 8, 2015 5:01 am

The instigating comment by Meisler was effective in generating this great article however.

Alan Robertson
January 7, 2015 10:25 pm

Miesler just needs to go on expedition with Chris Turney and discover the truth for himself.
/s (mods told me to start using sarc tags)

Jimbo
Reply to  Alan Robertson
January 8, 2015 12:16 am

Here are some Antarctic researchers who went on a satellite ‘expedition’ and found DOUBLE the number of Emperor Penguins than previously thought. LiveScience reported on it here.

13 April 2012
An Emperor Penguin Population Estimate: The First Global, Synoptic Survey of a Species from Space
http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0033751#pone-0033751-g003

Janice Moore
Reply to  Jimbo
January 8, 2015 3:25 pm

Oh, yeah, right, Jimbo.
++++++++++++++++++++
{heh, heh, you are in the “sarc” section :)}

Roy
Reply to  Alan Robertson
January 8, 2015 1:27 am

Alan Robertson wrote:
Miesler just needs to go on expedition with Chris Turney and discover the truth for himself.
/s (mods told me to start using sarc tags)

What on earth is wrong with the moderators? Do they think readers are too stupid to recognise sarcasm when they read it? “Sarc tags” are an utterly useless invention, worse even than canned laughter in so-called comedies. It completely destroys the point of sarcasm if you have to point out to all and sundry that you are being sarcastic, just as it completely destroys a joke if you have to tell people that it is a joke.
[Reply: The problem is that a (not insignificant) fraction of the population just doesn’t get sarcasm. ~mod.]

Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 8:02 am

Hear hear!

James Allison
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 10:51 am

Yes indeed Sarc tags should be banned.

Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 11:31 am

Think of a sarc tag as a parity check.

Alan Robertson
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 11:45 am

Howdy Roy,
Your point is appreciated and valid. Having personally been taken to task in these pages by readers who failed to get my sarcasm, the mod’s point is even more valid. Since I’m now wearing the new pair of smartypants that I got for Christmas…

Janice Moore
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 12:02 pm

Oh, PUUUUHHH–LEEEEZE, ~mod.
#(;))

D.J. Hawkins
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 1:32 pm

A friend of mine was studying for an MBA some time ago. In a class on communication, the instructor passed on the tidbit that 80% of all communication is non-verbal. I don’t know how that number was derived, nor if it’s in the ballpark. However, I think we can generally agree that ALL the non-verbal cues, and a great many verbal ones (tone, etc) are completely wiped when using only the written word, unless one deliberately attempts to re-create them somehow. I say, “sarc” away!

John Endicott
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 2:13 pm

Roy,
The thing to remember is that sarcasm is easier to spot in person – where you have body language, inflection, and tone to go along with the words. In written form, it is somewhat harder to effectively communicate sarcasm with the lack of those visual and audial cues. the /sarc tag simply takes the place of those missing cues.

Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 4:10 pm

Roy
January 8, 2015 at 1:27 am
Alan Robertson wrote:
Miesler just needs to go on expedition with Chris Turney and discover the truth for himself.
/s (mods told me to start using sarc tags)
What on earth is wrong with the moderators? Do they think readers are too stupid to recognise sarcasm when they read it?

[Reply: The problem is that a (not insignificant) fraction of the population just doesn’t get sarcasm. ~mod.]

And contributing to the problem is that those not familiar with the commenter may not realize the comment is meant as humor. Stupid things are often said in all seriousness.
A sarc tag or at least a smiley face can make it clear to the reader that the commenter is having a bit of fun.

Richards in Vancouver
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 5:13 pm

Stephen Rasey January 8, 2015 at 11:31 am
Think of a sarc tag as a parity check.
Is a parity check anything like a Sanity Clause?

Bill S
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 6:56 pm

Re Richards in Vancouver
As Chico Marx said,”There is no such thing as a sanity clause!”

Janice Moore
Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 7:00 pm

Bill S — LOL.
“Ooooh, yes there is,” says Just Some Troll, “he lives at the North Pole. All the models say it is so.”
Trolls know these things.
Elves, too.

Reply to  Roy
January 8, 2015 9:35 pm

You really mean that a consensus in slanderous ad hominum attacks by scientifically disabled eco-fascists isn’t a reasonable substitute for disproving the null hypothesis? Tell Obama.

James Bull
January 7, 2015 10:25 pm

Many and varied “inconvenient truths” but not I think ones that Mr Gore would find easy to swallow!
James Bull

January 7, 2015 10:26 pm

I experienced the same missionary zeal on a Lindblad/National Geographic Antarctic cruise early last year. James Balog of “Chasing Ice” fame was aboard and peppered us with his video and excerpts, and guest scientists did the same. When I asked probing questions and made contradicting statements to their presentations, they quickly cut me off to have later “private” discussions with me. Specifically, when I mentioned that most of the Greenland Jakobshavn glacier retreat that Balog famously videoed, and Muir Glacier in Glacier Bay, Al;asks, had occurred before 1950, they ducked out. When I brought up the greater warming of earlier periods – Holocene Optimum, Minoan, Roman, and Medieval – they said that it was different than current warming, but never explained what made it different. It’s hard to discuss science with True Believers.

Reply to  majormike1
January 8, 2015 7:47 am

Did you meet Jim or Jason Kelley serving as naturalists on that trip?

Reply to  majormike1
January 8, 2015 11:02 am

majormike,
Good info. If anyone is planning a similar ‘educational’ cruise, it would be a good idea to take along a few blow-ups of charts showing temperature, CO2, ice core data, etc.
Don’t let them weasel out with excuses about meeting privately! Tell everyone there that the people present want to make up their minds based on all the available evidence, not just on one side’s. Point out that everyone has opinions, but scientific evidence is all that really counts.
Hold their feet to the fire! Ask: where is the predicted runaway global warming? Where is any global warming?? What is wrong with another 2º warmer temperature? The planet has been much warmer than that in the past. Much, much colder, too. Why have NONE of the alarming predictions ever happened? At this point, they are crying “Wolf!” and it is no longer working. In fact, we are in one of the most benign, beneficial global climates in the entire climatological record. So why the endless, evidence-free doom and gloom?
I would love going on a cruise like that! [my wife always vetoes it]. I would come fully prepared — and if I paid my money, I would not let them shut me up. Not without a refund!
Truth is the downfall of the global warming scare. That’s why they don’t want any other points of view discussed. And that is exactly why we should provide our point of view.

Reply to  dbstealey
January 8, 2015 10:19 pm

“where is the predicted runaway global warming?” Reverse engineering has created job opportunities in government climate agencies in the US, UK and Australia. Why not fabricate data to support fabricated conclusions and projections?
They cried wolf in the 80s, and at Rio there were many comments that the science didn’t matter because the plan was to use computer models. These are the same folks who wrote the algorithms showing a population meltdown due to resource depletion in the 70’s, and since it didn’t happen and their predictions are meaningless, and population growth has decreased, they still want to kill 95% of the people on earth and have the control of resources to enable them to make any population ‘unsustainable’.
They control the media. I’ve seen comments asking “why aren’t scientists speaking out?”, but only on sites that censor the scientists who answer.

4 eyes
Reply to  dbstealey
January 9, 2015 1:18 am

+1

Christopher Hanley
January 7, 2015 11:12 pm

“Their delusions have been supported by bad science from the USHCN and elsewhere, and when skeptics reveal the truth, it surely drives them mad …”.
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LOL quite so, it’s the same with the 15+ years of temperature stasis.
You’d think the news that penguins and butterflies are doing fine would make them happy.

ferdberple
Reply to  Christopher Hanley
January 8, 2015 6:34 am

homogenization is a form of noise reduction. All noise reduction introduces a (hopefully) small signal degradation along with the noise reduction. repeated homogenization of already homogenized data ensures that this small degradation accumulates in the result, so that in the end the resulting signal bears no resemblance to the actual signal.
homogenization (noise reduction) should always be done using the original raw data. It should not be done using already homogenized data. That is why “Masters” are used when creating new “cleaned” or “re-mastered” versions of audio and video information.
which would you think is more accurate:
remaster(master)
remaster(remaster(master))
Why then should
homogenized(homogenized(homogenized(homogenized(…(data)…))))
be more accurate than:
homogenized(data)
wouldn’t any small errors introduced by homogenization come to dominate with repeated homogenization?

Brad Rich
Reply to  ferdberple
January 8, 2015 10:07 am

It seems the climatologists don’t like the wide variations in climate. Smoothe and homogenized doesn’t fit, actually, in the complex and chaotic nature of nature.

Steve Oregon
January 7, 2015 11:26 pm

Ouch!
Dear Miesler,
Save yourself, surrender.

Non Nomen
January 7, 2015 11:45 pm

“Mies” in German means appalling, wretched, grotty etc…

Scottish Sceptic
January 7, 2015 11:45 pm

That blogger is just a nasty hate filled individual.
However, better he attack us thck skinned sceptics than some other group that cared what he wrote.

Reply to  Scottish Sceptic
January 8, 2015 7:05 pm

Yeah who the hell would have heard of this idiot if not for this WUWT post.

Reply to  Scottish Sceptic
January 8, 2015 9:04 pm

Scottish Skeptic did you know we were listed along with Anthony as 15 prominent global “climate skeptic converts” along with Margaret Thatcher, Matt Ridley (one of my favorite science writers who wrote Genome: The Autobiography of a Species in 23 Chapters and Nature via Nurture: Genes, Experience, & What Makes Us Human), Patrick Moore cofounder of Greenpeace, Dr. Judith Curry a prominent climate scientists featured in Scientific American, James Lovelock who promoted the Gaia hypothesis, Daniel Botkin (a world-renowned ecologist, Professor (Emeritus), Department of Ecology, Evolution and Marine Biology, UC Santa Barbara, and President of The Center for The Study of The Environment), meteorologists Klaus-Eckart Puls and Anthony Watts, German environmentalist Fritz Vahrenholt, French hydrologists Jean-Louis Pinault, and prominent bloggers such as Australia’s Jo Nova, Mike Hasele, Verity Jones and Graham Strouts. https://ipccreport.wordpress.com/…/…/converts-to-scepticism/

krischel
January 7, 2015 11:49 pm

Yeah, Miesler is quite the character – although Miesler will readily admit that his knowledge is insufficient, and insist that any other layperson’s is as well, he insists that he is an expert at *picking* the experts.
Moreover, he will also insist that he is an expert at picking the *interpretations* of experts. Since the whole anthropogenic global warming corpus includes predictions of all sorts, covering the entire range of possibilities (warmer, colder, less cyclonic activity, more cyclonic activity, droughts, floods, you name it), no matter *what* the observation, he’s got someone who predicted it, much like astrological charts 🙂
The real problem is that the cornerstone of the scientific method, a necessary and sufficient hypothesis statement, is missing:
1) a list of observations, which if observed, mean AGW is false;
2) a logical argument that without those observations, the only remaining possibility is AGW (rather than the null).
The response you’re going to get from him to this citizen’s challenge is going to be the following:
– trivial falsifiability (rather then necessary and sufficient)
– an attack on falsifiability as necessary (arguing with the scientific method itself)
– appeal to authority (quite often to authorities that are trivially refuted)
– ad hominem
– the precautionary principle (without any thought to the adverse consequences of their proposed interventions)
Miesler is a *believer*, interested in protecting the dogma of his faith – and nothing you can show him, from anyone, will convince him otherwise. The idea of falsifiability is the cure to this disease, but he willfully misunderstands what falsifiability is, and treats it like a check mark on his argument list, rather than a step on the path to understanding 🙂

Brute
Reply to  krischel
January 8, 2015 2:56 am

The difference between knowledge and belief… is, unfortunately for believers, a form of knowledge.

Reply to  krischel
January 8, 2015 11:38 am

krischel says:
1) a list of observations, which if observed, mean AGW is false
The problem is that after more than thirty years of searching by literally thousands of scientists, no one has ever found a single verifiable metric quantifying the fraction of AGW [out of total global warming] attributable to human CO2 emissions.
That is very strange, no? Just about everything in science is quantified with measurements. If there are no measurements, the usual assumption is that a thing does not exist [see Langmuir’s Pathological Science].
There are many thousands of observations. But none of them are enough to quantify AGW. That would seem to indicate that AGW — if it exists — is too minuscule to measure. Background noise is greater, and the background noise is on the order of hundreths of a degree.
Finally, you are right about Peter Meisler. He is a True Believer; his On/Off switch is permanently wired On. The planet could enter another greart Ice Age, and Peter would be saying the same things. That’s belief for you. Martyrs will die to be right. That doesn’t mean they are.

Larry Cooper
Reply to  dbstealey
January 13, 2015 5:37 pm

LOL N Rays! I learned something new and useful today. +1

Al
Reply to  krischel
January 8, 2015 3:26 pm

The only good use I can think of for the Precautionary Principal is as a step for anyone considering using said principal. Then we’d be rid of the useless, logically inconsistent thing forever.

Anders Valland
January 7, 2015 11:52 pm

Interesting post, Jim. While I agree with a lot of what you say, I have a bit of a problem with this part: “Still the trend is very much the same, very accurate, and totally supports my assertion: Maximum temperatures have not risen since the 30s! If maximum temperatures have not exceeded that earlier peak, CO2 has not caused any regional “accumulation of heat” due to the hypothesized radiative imbalance;…:”
Your Yosemite graph shows that minimum temperature has in fact risen, while maximum temperature has not. It is hard to tell directly from viewing the graph whether the rise in minimum and the fall in maximum cancels each other – that my be the case. But my point is that accumulation of heat due to the rise of CO2 concentration in the atmosphere will not necessarily lead to a rise in maximum temperatures. I believe it will for the most part lead to a rise in minimum temperatures, as the CO2-effect will also be working thorugh the night. If so, that would lead to an accumulation of heat, and a rise in mean temperature.
That said, and again I have only looked at your graph and not run any numbers, the graph suggests that if there is any accumulation of heat it is small. That would be in line with other observational based assessments of climate sensitivity due to CO2.

Reply to  Anders Valland
January 8, 2015 12:08 am

Anders, the different behavior of the rising minimum could be due to increased moisture via El Ninos, land surface changes that hold the morning heat when and where minimums are measured, changes in the wind that lessen the pooling of cold morning air, or perhaps CO2. Whatever the cause of a higher early morning minimum, the lower afternoon maximum suggests the heat that causes the early morning warming was not stored. Averaging the two metrics can be misleading. Maximum temperature is the better metric of heat accumulation and that metric is not in line with CO2 theory.

Mark
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 12:51 am

There are certainly changes in the land around the measuring stations I’ve looked at. Have a look at the satellite images around a few of the stations, clearings for newish buildings and roads have been surfaced. Let alone the change in measurement method…

Hoser
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 4:19 am

And where are the temperature sensors placed? Tree density has increased in the Sierra Nevada. Estimates are about ten times the stems per acre compared to the historical condition as described by John Muir. Today, it can be hard to find open spaces in unburned forests. Trees emit IR, enough to melt snow and reduce snowpack. Trees also increase sublimation of snow from branches, reducing effective precipitation, i.e. less runoff and groundwater. Perhaps increased transpiration in summer could lead to more clouds and higher minimum temperatures. There is plenty of unsettled science here.

Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 6:16 am

I do have a beef with your minimum maximum temperature plots: You change the scale between left and right axes. Either make them the same scale, or (better) stack them, max plot above min plot, as two separated plots with same T scaling.

Doubting Rich
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 7:17 am

Surely the maximum temperature is also more likely to the the factor in stress on a population caused by warming. If warm is a problem, then first look at the warmest part of the day!

bill hunter
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 8:04 am

Some what apples to oranges to focus on trends in maximum temperature when AGW focuses on mean temperature. Though I do think your analysis is more relevant to the topic of climate change. Accumulation of CO2 in the atmosphere should create a positive trend in minimum temperatures as it slows cooling of the surface. However, sunlight is 50% IR also so it should create a negative trend in positive temperatures via increased blocking of solar heat from reaching the surface. Both effects seem apparent in your Yosemite graph.
Bottom line is if there were no greenhouse gases in the atmosphere like on the moon, daytime high temperatures at the equator in the spring and fall would exceed the boiling point of water and of course nighttime temperatures would plunge far below freezing.
Most of this is due to water vapor and not CO2 but we should expect some climate change from increasing levels of CO2. The big question however is if that is a good thing or a bad thing. More moderate temperatures directly will likely save lives but one cannot predict what sorts of negative changes might occur. Fact is the world is a relatively cold place from the perspective of humans and that can be verified by regional patterns of population density.

mpainter
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 9:49 pm

Jim Steele:
You are indeed correct that increased humidity would account for the trend showing rising tmin and decreasing tmax.
In fact, that is the only explanation that accounts for such a trend, in my view.

richard verney
Reply to  Anders Valland
January 8, 2015 12:50 am

“….If so, that would lead to an accumulation of heat, and a rise in mean temperature”
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Whilst I accept your point about an increase in the mean 24 hour temperature, can it truly be said to amount to an accumulation, if the higher nightime lows, which causes the day to start off with a higher initial temperature, does not result in the daytime max being increased? Where is the accumulation of heat?
It is difficult to envisage a scenario where a modest increase in nighttime lows, which does not cause daytime highs to increase, could be detrimental to the survival of species.
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steveta_uk
Reply to  richard verney
January 8, 2015 3:45 am

Though I can’t find a reference at present, I seem to remember something (bee colony infections?) where insufficiently low minimums to kill off the parasites over winter could damage a population.

Reply to  richard verney
January 8, 2015 5:17 am

Coldest just before the dawn. An hourly temp trace would likely show that in the “warming” evening (warmest just after sunset) this warmth is extended, perhaps several hours, but before dawn, it has essentially finally dissipated. I admit to a priori type reasoning here [the kind clever teenagers have to use because of lack of experience].

Reply to  richard verney
January 8, 2015 6:54 am

in boreal forests, low night temps help control beetle infestations.

BruceC
Reply to  richard verney
January 8, 2015 1:44 pm

Gary Pearse
Do you mean something like this?
http://i255.photobucket.com/albums/hh154/crocko05/backyardtemp_zpsfd3d30a0.jpg
(my backyard, location coastal NSW, Australia. Screen-capped just before posting)
BTW, if anyone is interested in what the program above is, it’s Sandaysoft Cumulus available FREE from here; http://sandaysoft.com/ . It will work on most home weather stations.

johnmarshall
Reply to  Anders Valland
January 8, 2015 4:16 am

CO2 does not have that property. It cannot store heat it HAS to emit IR, that is a physical property of CO2.
It is a good adsorber and a good emitter of IR.
Climate sensitivity claims are based on models not observation. There is no empirical data showing CO2 acting as a GHG.

kentclizbe
Reply to  johnmarshall
January 8, 2015 8:17 am

“Climate sensitivity claims are based on models not observation. There is no empirical data showing CO2 acting as a GHG.”
In fact, there is a fantastic physical observation that totally debunks the “CO2 is a GHG” fallacy.
It’s just lying there waiting for a grad student to seize ahold of and destroy the AGW hypothesis once and for all.
What is it?
The massive CO2 emissions from certain volcanoes, like Mt Nyos in Africa, provides real-world events that provide data on the “heat-trapping” effects of high concentrations of CO2. But apparently no scientist has seen the connection between the theory and the physical data available for them to use to test the theory.
The theoretical basis of AGW is: “Increasing concentrations of atmospheric CO2 will increase surface temperatures.”
An ideal experimental design to test that hypothesis would have scientists injecting massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere and then monitoring local temperatures. Evidently no scientist has been able to conduct such an experiment. Instead we have amateurish propagandic showcases like Bill Nye’s jar full of CO2 “experiment.”
http://wattsupwiththat.com/climate-fail-files/gore-and-bill-nye-fail-at-doing-a-simple-co2-experiment/
Mother Nature helpfully implemented the experimental design:
“On August 21, 1986, possibly as the result of a landslide, Lake Nyos suddenly emitted a large cloud of CO2, which suffocated 1,700 people and 3,500 livestock in nearby towns and villages…
“Carbon dioxide, being about 1.5 times as dense as air, caused the cloud to “hug” the ground and descend down the valleys, where various villages were located. The mass was about 50 metres (160 ft) thick and it travelled downward at a rate of 20–50 kilometres per hour (12–31 mph). For roughly 23 kilometres (14 mi) the cloud remained condensed and dangerous, suffocating many of the people sleeping in Nyos, Kam, Cha, and Subum.[4] About 4,000 inhabitants fled the area, and many of these developed respiratory problems, lesions, and paralysis as a result of the gases…”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos
So, in Mother Nature’s experiment, she created a 160 foot thick, 14 mile long atmospheric concentration of CO2.
The research that needs to be done would involve collecting temperature readings from before, during, and after the CO2 cloud covering the area.
The AGW hypothesis would be: In the areas subjected to the experimental increases in concentrations of CO2, temperatures will increase following the IPPC’s “sensitivity formula” for CO2’s effects on surface temperature.
The experiment has been conducted. Someone just needs to collect the data. Fame, fortune, and the survival of the free world await.

January 8, 2015 12:13 am

Durango, CO, has its pick-up load of nutcases, that’s for sure.
Though Boulder, CO, is much worse, believe me.

Reply to  Alexander Feht
January 9, 2015 9:54 am

Being familiar with both, I have to agree with Alexander Feht.
Bruce

Louis
January 8, 2015 12:16 am

”Then Steele produces a homemade graph. The “real data“? I think not ! In fact, I have reason to believe it’s another one of Steele’s tricks intended to deceive the unskeptical.”

Wow, Miesler sure sounds skeptical here. I thought he disliked skeptics. But here he is warning that a scientist might deceive us if we are “unskeptical.” So, I’m confused. Does he want people to be skeptics, or does he want people to believe scientists without question?

January 8, 2015 12:25 am

Thanks Jim for the heads up and great analysis as always! It must be difficult not to take these “whackos” personally at times. Thanks for turning around his irrational posts/comments into wonderful teaching moments.Appreciate it!

SAMURAI
January 8, 2015 12:29 am

I enjoyed the quote, “A liar begins with making falsehood appear like truth, and ends with making truth itself appear like falsehood.”
That quote seems to embody the current status CAGW. With virtually all CAGW projections diverging further from reality, CAGW’s survival depends on propagandizing lies and half-truths: the “97%” meme, severe weather, sea levels, global warming trends, ocean acidification, polar bear and penguin populations, polar ice caps, etc., are all supposedly worsening at “unprecedented” rates. Even a cursory evaluation of all these claims exposes the deception.
Perhaps I’m being naive, but I put faith in: “Truth is the daughter of time.”
The sense of alarmist desperation is becoming palpable. I really can’t see how all these dark lies can survive the light of reason.

Peter Miller
January 8, 2015 12:29 am

Well:
1. The polar bears are thriving,
2. Global temperatures have been stationary for almost two decades,
3. Current global temperatures are below those experienced in most of the current (Holocene) inter-glacial period,
4. There is absolutely no evidence of an acceleration in rising sea levels, or glacial retreat,
5. Ocean acidification had been demonstrated to be a myth,
6. The late summer Arctic ice is recovering well,
7. The Antarctic ice cap is at record levels,
8. Try naming one species that has become extinct through ‘climate change’,
9. After circa 4 billion years, natural climate change did not suddenly cease around 1950.
What can a member of the alarmist faithful do, other than to declare climate jihad or put his trust in:
1. The forecasts of biased, inaccurate computer models,
2. Data manipulation, misinterpretation and deliberate deception,
3. The gullibility and duplicity of left wing politicians,
4. Abusive behaviour towards those sceptics who expose 1 and 2.
If ‘climate science’ was a real science, it would have been given a big F a long time ago. Unfortunately, ‘climate science’ is mostly motivated these days by those intent on keeping their snouts in the troughs overflowing with government cash. To paraphrase: “Never in human history has so much been spent (on ‘climate science’) by so many to achieve so little.”

Scarface
Reply to  Peter Miller
January 8, 2015 1:03 am

Sad but accurate summary. History will not be kind to these climate clowns.

mikewaite
Reply to  Scarface
January 8, 2015 1:11 am

But history is written by the winners. Is there any evidence that the proponents of CAGW are not winning the battle in the most important arenas of political debate and media attitude. I see no sign of any change there.

Brute
Reply to  Scarface
January 8, 2015 3:52 am


Winners change.

ferdberple
Reply to  Scarface
January 8, 2015 6:48 am

Is there any evidence that the proponents of CAGW are not winning the battle
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The Lima conference made it plain that:
1. the 100 billion a year promised will not happen
2. China and India are not going to cut emissions
and in other news:
3. Climate change is dead last in people’s priorities
4. the Democrats lost control of the US senate.
The question never asked is how does one enforce a legally binding UN climate agreement? Doesn’t such an agreement set the stage for the next world war? What comes after sanctions?

Eugene WR Gallun
Reply to  Scarface
January 8, 2015 9:38 pm

mikewaite
Lysenko appeared to be winning for a long time — now he is infamous.
Eugene WR Gallun

rw
Reply to  Scarface
January 10, 2015 11:14 am

You can’t win the battle claiming 2 + 2 = 5. You really can’t. You can ‘win’ for x number of days, months or years. But you’re pressed right up against the same hard facts the day after.

Old Goat
Reply to  Peter Miller
January 8, 2015 2:09 am

But, but, the polar bears can’t be surviving – the World Wildlife Fund were telling me in their television advert, only last night, that they were disappearing, fast, and the only way to save them would be to send £3 to the WWF, after which one would be “saved”, and I’d get a soft, cuddly model of it, together with regular updates from it, to tell me how it was doing, and if I was very lucky, it would write me the odd E mail, too.

CaligulaJones
Reply to  Old Goat
January 8, 2015 6:23 am

You mean THIS World Wildlife Fund:
http://www.survivalinternational.org/news/10546
Seems “life” to them does not include human beings. Or at least black human beings.

Doubting Rich
Reply to  Old Goat
January 8, 2015 7:21 am

I currently have a complaint going through the ASA about that advert. You might like to register one too, it takes about 5 minutes.
http://www.asa.org.uk/Consumers/How-to-complain.aspx

Peter Miller
Reply to  Old Goat
January 8, 2015 8:47 am

Old Goat
I saw that WWF advert too.
I was so incensed I sent a formal complaint to the Advertising Standards Authority.
So far no response – a supposedly green ‘charity’ like WWF may be considered to be untouchable and above reproach.

Reply to  Old Goat
January 8, 2015 7:28 pm

Really only 3 pounds, I am not sure how much that is in US dollars, but it isn’t that much. Some time around the late 90s or early 2000s I was getting 2-3 mailing a week with a WWF bumper sticker, and a letter asking for money they had to have spent at least $20 or more just sending me me these mailings.
I think the real work of the WWF is to raise money, it has nothing to do with wildlife.

Old Goat
Reply to  Peter Miller
January 8, 2015 2:09 am

But, but, the polar bears can’t be surviving – the World Wildlife Fund were telling me in their television advert, only last night, that they were disappearing, fast, and the only way to save them would be to send £3 to the WWF, after which one would be “saved”, and I’d get a soft, cuddly model of it, together with regular updates from it, to tell me how it was doing, and if I was very lucky, it would write me the odd E mail, too.

John F. Hultquist
Reply to  Peter Miller
January 8, 2015 12:26 pm

Peter M.,
In #6 you write “… recovering well
Maybe that can be rephrased to better reflect what is known. To me, recovering is a word that implies something was wrong. Insofar as what is known about Arctic Ocean ice, nothing is wrong. Amount of ice cover varies for several reasons, including wind and currents: Missing ice in 2007 drained out the Nares Strait.

Duster
Reply to  John F. Hultquist
January 8, 2015 3:46 pm

nar·es
ˈnerēz/
noun
AnatomyZoology
noun: naris; plural noun: nares
the nostrils.

Please don’t say the Arctic had a runny nose!

Jimbo
January 8, 2015 12:41 am

These Adélie penguins are a robust lot.

Abstract
Abandoned penguin rookeries as Holocene paleoclimatic indicators in Antarctica
The greatest diffusion of rookeries occurred between 3 and 4 ka, a period of particularly favorable environmental conditions that has never been repeated. It was followed by a sudden decrease in the number of penguin rookeries shortly after 3 ka. This event has been attributed to an increase of the sea-ice extension and may have been correlated to a worldwide phase of climate change near the Subboreal-Subatlantic boundary. A minor phase of penguin reoccupation occurred locally in the eighth to fourteenth centuries (A.D.). Because the presence and number of penguins reflect the state of health of the Antarctic marine ecosystem, it is important to evaluate the variations in their distribution in the past, in the absence of human-induced changes.
http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/22/1/23.short

Jimbo
Reply to  Berényi Péter
January 8, 2015 3:25 am

What if eco-tourists and penguin researchers left Antarctica alone? Instead they are subjected to banding which can affect their swimming and feeding abilities, human waste etc.

Abstract
Effect of human disturbance on body temperature and energy expenditure in penguins
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s003000050185
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Department of the Environment – Australian Antarctic Division
A virus amongst the penguins
Diseases and parasites have been detected in Antarctic wildlife populations for as long as scientists have observed and collected samples from them. However, it was not until the 1997 discovery of antibodies to Infectious Bursal Disease Virus (IBDV) in a high percentage of emperor penguin (Aptenodytes forsteri) chicks at Auster Rookery (through research led by Australian Antarctic Division veterinary biologist, Heather Gardner), that disease in Antarctic wildlife was connected with the presence of people in Antarctica.

Reply to  Berényi Péter
January 8, 2015 5:20 am

I think I was at this high class affair.

Reply to  Berényi Péter
January 8, 2015 3:22 pm

Thanks Berenyl,
People curious about the effects of flipper banding should take the 3 minutes to view this. The French researchers were well aware that the flipper banding issue could be detrimental to the Emperors in many ways, but never once mentioned the issue, preferring to opportunistically suggest the global warming had killed the Emperors in some unspecified way and speculating about drowning chicks that were never observed. I suspect they were covering their ass because after dynamiting islands that housed thousands of nesting Adelies, Greenpeace was heavily protesting human disturbances at Dumont D’urville. Thus in deep DuDu, they chose to blame global warming.

Jimbo
January 8, 2015 1:01 am

Could more or less ice threaten the Ade´ lie Penguins?

DAVID AINLEY et al – 2010
Antarctic penguin response to habitat change as Earth’s troposphere reaches 28C above preindustrial levels
….Indeed, we may soon see the conditions that existed during the mid-Holocene ‘‘Penguin Optimum,’’ when ice diverged enough that Ade´ lie Penguins will reoccupy colonies, now ice bound, along the southern Victoria Land coast (Baroni and Orombelli 1994). ….
http://www.geo.arizona.edu/BGDL/articles/Ainley_etal_2010.pdf

mikewaite
Reply to  Jimbo
January 8, 2015 3:46 am

A very interesting and very readable article that explains the complexity of the environmental factors affecting the Adelie and Emperor penguin colonies . They are assuming that a 2C rise in global temperatures will occur, sometime between 2015 and 2052, and this will affect particularly the sea ice extent, winds and the amount of open water on which these colonies depend . What it did not touch on much however is how these populations survived temperature fluctuations in the past. Is it because they breed on ice , so do not leave much of a fossil record for the scientists to study ?
One ominous point about human interference made towards the end was that industrial fishing for silverfish and krill will also affect the colonies and make the whole food web more susceptible to climate change. Since the fishing is presumably intended for animal feed in the developed world , rather than human consumption, surely this could be stopped by international agreement without disastrous effect on any national economies . Something for IPCC to put on their agenda for Paris perhaps- at least some good would emerge from that meeting.

mikewaite
Reply to  mikewaite
January 8, 2015 3:54 am

Footnote: I noticed that Jimbo had posted info on the Adelie colonies in the past and how they survived climate change – I was thinking more about the Emperors . They always amaze me by their incubation practice, which seems barely possible .

Alan Robertson
Reply to  mikewaite
January 8, 2015 5:17 am

Mike,
The Emperors’ very existence defines the edge of possible.

Jimbo
Reply to  mikewaite
January 8, 2015 6:33 am

mikewaite, a good point about the foods eaten by Emperor penguins (krill and silverfish). Claims about declining penguin populations due to ‘declining’ ice will have to take into account overfishing and the increased sea ice extent!

Krill Fisheries, the Next Collapse?
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The Problem Of Overfishing In Antarctica

Reply to  mikewaite
January 8, 2015 12:17 pm

Early claims about global warming killing penguins along the peninsula argued there was less krill. A similar argument was made for the decline of the Emperors. Both Ainley and I agree that there is an abundance of krill and that conclusion is supported by the rapidly growing number of krill feeders from baleen whales to adelie penguins.
The earlier gloom and doom interpretations were largely the result of the lack of awareness of the effect of El Nino/PDO cycles on upwelling and resulting cycles triggering robust phytoplankton blooms that supported simiiar cycles of abundant krill. Initially researchers focused on the peninsula’s loss of ice (also affected largely by El Nino) thinking the peninsula was the canary in in the coal mine. But surveys were of too short a duration to reveal the underlying natural cycles
Read Loeb V., et al., (2009) ENSO and variability of the Antarctic Peninsula pelagic marine ecosystem. Antarctic Science, vol. 21, p.135−148
Short duration surveys also mistook cycles of chlorophyl content as evodence of deleterious change due to global warming. However longer term surveys not only reveal the natural cycles but evidence a long term upward trend in chlorophyll and thus krill. Climate change has been a good thing.
This graph is from Saba (2014) Winter and spring controls on the summer food web of the coastal West Antarctic Peninsula in NATURE COMMUNICATIONS
http://landscapesandcycles.net/image/99330723.png

strike
January 8, 2015 1:12 am

Is the Yosemite-graph labelled wrongly? Minimum temps are higher than maximum temps.

wayne
Reply to  strike
January 8, 2015 1:51 am

No, notice the second y axis to the right.

strike
January 8, 2015 1:18 am

Ouh, I discovered the second label on the left side now. Disregard my above posting.

Reply to  strike
January 8, 2015 12:19 pm

Sorry for the confusion. Two different y-axes seemed to be the clearest way to compare the different trends.

January 8, 2015 1:20 am

“Maximum temperatures have not risen since the 30s! If maximum temperatures have not exceeded that earlier peak, CO2 has not caused any regional “accumulation of heat” due to the hypothesized radiative imbalance”
think harder.

Reply to  Steven Mosher
January 8, 2015 8:10 am

Here is a thought question for Steven Mosher regards heat accumulation and the inappropriate metric created by averaging the max and min. You have two pots with equal volumes of water. Pot A rests at 10 C and Pot B rests at 30 C. Both are heated with unknown quantities but at the end of the day both pots measure 50C.
1. Which pot accumulated the most heat?
2. Which experienced the highest average temperature?
Answer below, but don’t peek until you thought for yourself— Hint use Q=mcdeltaT. Q is heat and because both pots have same mass and specific heat you can simplify the equation to Q(heat) = change in temperature
Alright Steven now check yourself
1. Pot A Q= 40, Pot B Q=20. Thus we can conclude of maximum temperatures remain the same, then pots with the higher minimum accumulated less heat
2. Average temp: Pot A (10+50)/2 = 30 Pot B (30 + 50)/2 =40
Crazy statistical inference of the week We can measure a higher daily average temperature while accumulating less heat due to the biases created by the minimum.

Janice Moore
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 8:43 am

Nicely done, Professor Steele!
I think…. Mr. M0sher should sign up for your class (they seem not to have taught that one at Berkley…).

Brandon Gates
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 9:14 am

Jim Steele, the statement Mosh quotes flat out states that radiative imbalance due to CO2 increase cannot be responsible for Q. Your example only shows that it is numerically possible for your conclusion to be correct, not that it must be.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 9:23 am

Janice, please it’s “Berkeley” not “Berkley”, but this is only a minor quibble. Given that both city and state have transuranic elements named in their honor, having both been discovered at LBL, it might occur that Cal does not always deserve its reputation for fringe academic lunacy. The fact that signage at the borders and posted throughout the city proudly proclaim “Nuclear Free Zone” is an irony very much not lost on me however.

Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 10:52 am

Brandon, Certainly my “example only shows that it is numerically possible for your conclusion to be correct, not that it must be.” That should go without saying for any scientific argument that has yet to reach the status of a “Law”.
It would be more helpful if you could demonstrate how a declining maximum temperature trend would evolve while accumulating more heat. That would move the debate along.

Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 11:08 am

In the above example the specific heat variable was kept constant. The lack of usefulness of a global average temperature as a measure of heat accumulation gets worse when natural droughts and population effects dry out the land and air. A drought can raise temperatures without adding heat.

Brandon Gates
Reply to  jim Steele
January 8, 2015 11:58 am

Jim Steele,

Certainly my “example only shows that it is numerically possible for your conclusion to be correct, not that it must be.” That should go without saying for any scientific argument that has yet to reach the status of a “Law”.

Unless I am missing a key point, that very logic undermines the strength of your conclusions, quoted here in fuller context:
Still the trend is very much the same, very accurate, and totally supports my assertion: Maximum temperatures have not risen since the 30s! If maximum temperatures have not exceeded that earlier peak, CO2 has not caused any regional “accumulation of heat” due to the hypothesized radiative imbalance; and Parmesan is still very wrong for suggesting global warming was extirpating butterflies.

It would be more helpful if you could demonstrate how a declining maximum temperature trend would evolve while accumulating more heat.

If mins and maxes are I’ve got to work from, I may be sunk same as you are. One’s first inclination would be to ask whether the actual population values follow some normal distribution or not, and if so what the skewness and kurtosis look like. With mean being derived from range/2, obviously looking for hints about skewness by comparing mean to median won’t work.
I believe the proper thing to do here is integrate.

That would move the debate along.

All things in good time.

January 8, 2015 1:23 am

Adjustments were inflicted despite the fact the data had been quality controlled and adjusted several years before.

So they acknowledge that the QC was inadequately controlled the first time.
One wonders why they think they are competent now?

old44
Reply to  M Courtney
January 8, 2015 2:43 am

Just found a new way of cheating.

ChGr53
January 8, 2015 1:27 am

Jim Steele: Don’t want to be thought ‘picky’, but twice in the above piece you mention ‘British Arctic Survey’, when I’m sure you mean ‘British Antarctic Survey’.
I don’t know how you, or any other researchers interested in the truth rather than toeing the party line, put up with the levels of abuse you are subjected to. But keep on keeping on. Please.

Muzz
January 8, 2015 1:50 am

I’m not familiar with Miesler’s work but I know that Soubanger from Hotwhopper does a pretty good ad hom

January 8, 2015 3:27 am

I have long been puzzled by changes in published historical weather records AFTER they have been corrected for site changes and recording times, such adjustments being perfectly reasonable to achieve consistency.
If scientists want to homogenize for some specific purpose such as gridding, let them do so and reveal the algorithm they use.
However, there is no justification for continually changing temperature or precipitation date that was recorded decades ago. The practice may be unlawful because the results cannot be said to comply with the statute that requires such data to meet Federal quality standards.

Nick Stokes
Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
January 8, 2015 4:10 am

Frederick Colbourne January 8, 2015 at 3:27 am
“If scientists want to homogenize for some specific purpose such as gridding, let them do so and reveal the algorithm they use.”

That is exactly what they do. Here is the paper; the code is available. USHCN and GHCN provide both adjusted and unadjusted versions of the data. Adjusted is intended for gridding. No-one is obliged to use the adjusted.

Otter (ClimateOtter on Twitter)
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 8, 2015 4:17 am

Especially not those involved in making policy, nicky. In fact, they never should.

1sky1
Reply to  Nick Stokes
January 8, 2015 4:07 pm

While no one is obliged to use adjusted data, it is patently the ONLY data used to construct the “global” averages that alarmists misrepresent as “observations.”

Chip Javert
Reply to  Frederick Colbourne
January 8, 2015 6:39 am

“…Federal [data] quality standards…”
Interesting concept; we probably need some of this.
Obamacare’s year-long (and continuing) difficulty calculating the number of enrollees to plus/minus 10% is hilarious. But then I’m a retired CFO who routinely published financial statements accurate to 2 decimal places.

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