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Guest Post By Werner Brozek, Edited By Just The Facts
I will attempt to answer the question in the title from two different perspectives. First of all, can a super El Niño cause the present 1998 record in RSS to be broken in 2014? The next question is whether or not the slope of 0 will go under Santer’s 17 years. To answer the first part, we need to note that the average anomaly in 1998 was 0.550. The average anomaly for the first three months this year so far is 0.213. So a simple equation can be set up as follows to see what average would be required for the remaining 9 months to set a record. 12(0.550) = 3(0.213) + 9x. Solving for x gives 0.66. Naturally this is above 0.55, but more importantly is how this compares to the highest 9 month average during the 1998 super El Niño. According to the above plot of RSS with a mean of 9 months, that number is 0.63.
Since 0.66 is required, it may initially appear as if we need an El Niño that is stronger than the one in 1998. However the 9 month average before the 1998 El Niño started was around 0, whereas it is around 0.2 now. So the climb to potentially set a record is not as high. So it is possible for an El Niño that is almost as strong as the 1998 El Niño to set a record, however things have to move fast. The April anomaly for RSS does not necessarily have to be 0.66, but as a guess, I would say it should jump to at least 0.4 from the 0.214 March value and then it must make good jumps in the next months. According to the graph above, when the December number for RSS is in, the new 9 month height must be just above the 1998 nine month height in order for a new record to be set.
I would be very surprised if 2014 broke the 1998 record. In 1997, the El Niño started in May 1997 and the peak did not come until about March 1998. Right now, we are not above 0.5, so in my opinion, there is just not enough time to break the 1998 mark this year. As well, quoting Bob Tisdale:
“[T]he time lag between the major changes in the sea surface temperatures of the equatorial Pacific (NINO3.4 region) and the response in global surface temperatures is a few (3 to 4) months. For lower troposphere temperature anomalies, it’s about 5 to 6 months.”
Moving on to Santer’s 17 years, if we assume it takes a while for an El Niño to form and for it to affect RSS temperatures, I predict that at least to the end of 2014, RSS will still have over 17 years of pause. To verify this for yourself, note the area BELOW the green line in the top graph of this post between August 1996 and December 1997. If temperatures do spike, the August 1996 date has a bit of room to be moved forward until December 1997 is hit. Then, the new area ABOVE the green line at the far right needs to be more or less equal to the present area below and to the left of the 1997 spike. In light of what was just said in terms of how long it takes for temperatures to change, there just does not seem to be enough time for much to happen. I will concede that November and December could have very high anomalies, however it would not be for a long enough period to cause a huge area above the green line. Keep in mind that I am just talking about the case to the end of 2014. Anything can happen in 2015.
In the parts below, as in the previous posts, we will present you with the latest facts. The information will be presented in three sections and an appendix.
The first section will show for how long there has been no warming on several data sets.
The second section will show for how long there has been no statistically significant warming on several data sets.
The third section will show how 2014 to date compares with 2013 and the warmest years and months on record so far.
The appendix will illustrate sections 1 and 2 in a different way. Graphs and a table will be used to illustrate the data.
(P.S. As of May 1, the Hadcrut3 data was not out. Since the March anomaly for Hadcrut4 was 0.034 above the January anomaly, I made the assumption that the March anomaly for Hadcrut3 would also be 0.034 above its January anomaly. Since March showed a huge spike from February in Hadcrut4, I thought it would be better to estimate the March value in Hadcrut3 rather than just leaving things as they were at the end of February.)
Section 1
This analysis uses the latest month for which data is available on WoodForTrees.com (WFT). All of the data on WFT is also available at the specific sources as outlined below. We start with the present date and go to the furthest month in the past where the slope is a least slightly negative. So if the slope from September is 4 x 10^-4 but it is – 4 x 10^-4 from October, we give the time from October so no one can accuse us of being less than honest if we say the slope is flat from a certain month.
On all data sets below, the different times for a slope that is at least very slightly negative ranges from 9 years and 7 months to 17 years and 8 months.
1. For GISS, the slope is flat since September 2001 or 12 years, 7 months. (goes to March)
2. For Hadcrut3, the slope is flat since June 1997 or 16 years, 10 months. (goes to March)
(This was estimated.)
3. For a combination of GISS, Hadcrut3, UAH and RSS, the slope is flat since December 2000 or 13 years, 4 months. (goes to March)
(This was estimated.)
4. For Hadcrut4, the slope is flat since December 2000 or 13 years, 4 months. (goes to March)
5. For Hadsst3, the slope is flat since November 2000 or 13 years, 5 months. (goes to March)
6. For UAH, the slope is flat since September 2004 or 9 years, 7 months. (goes to March using version 5.5)
7. For RSS, the slope is flat since August 1996 or 17 years, 8 months (goes to March).
The next graph shows just the lines to illustrate the above. Think of it as a sideways bar graph where the lengths of the lines indicate the relative times where the slope is 0. In addition, the upward sloping blue line indicates that CO2 has steadily increased over this period.

When two things are plotted as I have done, the left only shows a temperature anomaly.
The actual numbers are meaningless since all slopes are essentially zero. As well, I have offset them so they are evenly spaced. No numbers are given for CO2. Some have asked that the log of the concentration of CO2 be plotted. However WFT does not give this option. The upward sloping CO2 line only shows that while CO2 has been going up over the last 17 years, the temperatures have been flat for varying periods on various data sets.
The next graph shows the above, but this time, the actual plotted points are shown along with the slope lines and the CO2 is omitted.

Section 2
For this analysis, data was retrieved from Nick Stokes’ Trendviewer. This analysis indicates for how long there has not been statistically significant warming according to Nick’s criteria. Data go to their latest update for each set. In every case, note that the lower error bar is negative so a slope of 0 cannot be ruled out from the month indicated.
On several different data sets, there has been no statistically significant warming for between 16 and 21 years.
The details for several sets are below.
For UAH: Since February 1996: CI from -0.044 to 2.366
For RSS: Since November 1992: CI from -0.023 to 1.882
For Hadcrut4: Since August 1996: CI from -0.005 to 1.308
For Hadsst3: Since January 1993: CI from -0.016 to 1.812
For GISS: Since July 1997: CI from -0.004 to 1.246
Section 3
This section shows data about 2014 and other information in the form of a table. The table shows the six data sources along the top and other places so they should be visible at all times. The sources are UAH, RSS, Hadcrut4, Hadcrut3, Hadsst3 and GISS.
Down the column, are the following:
1. 13ra: This is the final ranking for 2013 on each data set.
2. 13a: Here I give the average anomaly for 2013.
3. year: This indicates the warmest year on record so far for that particular data set. Note that two of the data sets have 2010 as the warmest year and four have 1998 as the warmest year.
4. ano: This is the average of the monthly anomalies of the warmest year just above.
5.mon: This is the month where that particular data set showed the highest anomaly. The months are identified by the first three letters of the month and the last two numbers of the year.
6. ano: This is the anomaly of the month just above.
7. y/m: This is the longest period of time where the slope is not positive given in years/months. So 16/2 means that for 16 years and 2 months the slope is essentially 0.
8. sig: This the first month for which warming is not statistically significant according to Nick’s criteria. The first three letters of the month are followed by the last two numbers of the year.
9. Jan: This is the January 2014 anomaly for that particular data set.
10.Feb: This is the February 2014 anomaly for that particular data set, etc.
12.ave: This is the average anomaly of all months to date taken by adding all numbers and dividing by the number of months. However if the data set itself gives that average, I may use their number. Sometimes the number in the third decimal place differs slightly, presumably due to all months not having the same number of days.
13.rnk: This is the rank that each particular data set would have if the anomaly above were to remain that way for the rest of the year. It will not, but think of it as an update 15 minutes into a game. Due to different base periods, the rank is more meaningful than the average anomaly.
| Source | UAH | RSS | Had4 | Had3 | Sst3 | GISS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1. 13ra | 7th | 10th | 8th | 6th | 6th | 6th |
| 2. 13a | 0.197 | 0.218 | 0.486 | 0.459 | 0.376 | 0.60 |
| 3. year | 1998 | 1998 | 2010 | 1998 | 1998 | 2010 |
| 4. ano | 0.419 | 0.55 | 0.547 | 0.548 | 0.416 | 0.66 |
| 5.mon | Apr98 | Apr98 | Jan07 | Feb98 | Jul98 | Jan07 |
| 6. ano | 0.662 | 0.857 | 0.829 | 0.756 | 0.526 | 0.93 |
| 7. y/m | 9/7 | 17/8 | 13/4 | 16/10 | 13/5 | 12/7 |
| 8. sig | Feb96 | Nov92 | Aug96 | Jan93 | Jul97 | |
| Source | UAH | RSS | Had4 | Had3 | Sst3 | GISS |
| 9.Jan | 0.236 | 0.262 | 0.507 | 0.472 | 0.342 | 0.69 |
| 10.Feb | 0.127 | 0.162 | 0.304 | 0.263 | 0.314 | 0.45 |
| 11.Mar | 0.139 | 0.214 | 0.541 | 0.506 | 0.343 | 0.70 |
| Source | UAH | RSS | Had4 | Had3 | Sst3 | GISS |
| 12.ave | 0.167 | 0.213 | 0.450 | 0.414 | 0.333 | 0.613 |
| 13.rnk | 10th | 11th | 10th | 10th | 11th | 6th |
If you wish to verify all of the latest anomalies, go to the following:
For UAH, version 5.5 was used since that is what WFT used, see: http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/public/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.5.txt
For RSS, see: http://ftp.ssmi.com/msu/monthly_time_series/rss_monthly_msu_amsu_channel_tlt_anomalies_land_and_ocean_v03_3.txt
For Hadcrut4, see: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/hadcrut4/data/current/time_series/HadCRUT.4.2.0.0.monthly_ns_avg.txt
For Hadcrut3, see: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT3-gl.dat
For Hadsst3, see: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadSST3-gl.dat
For GISS, see: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt
To see all points since January 2013 in the form of a graph, see the WFT graph below:

As you can see, all lines have been offset so they all start at the same place in January 2013. This makes it easy to compare January 2013 with the latest anomaly.
Appendix
In this part, we are summarizing data for each set separately.
RSS
The slope is flat since August 1996 or 17 years, 8 months. (goes to March)
For RSS: There is no statistically significant warming since November 1992: CI from -0.023 to 1.882.
The RSS average anomaly so far for 2014 is 0.213. This would rank it as 11th place if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.55. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in April of 1998 when it reached 0.857. The anomaly in 2013 was 0.218 and it is ranked 10th.
UAH
The slope is flat since September 2004 or 9 years, 7 months. (goes to March using version 5.5)
For UAH: There is no statistically significant warming since February 1996: CI from -0.044 to 2.366.
The UAH average anomaly so far for 2014 is 0.167. This would rank it as 10th place if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.419. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in April of 1998 when it reached 0.662. The anomaly in 2013 was 0.197 and it is ranked 7th.
Hadcrut4
The slope is flat since December 2000 or 13 years, 4 months. (goes to March)
For Hadcrut4: There is no statistically significant warming since August 1996: CI from -0.005 to 1.308.
The Hadcrut4 average anomaly so far for 2014 is 0.450. This would rank it as 10th place if it stayed this way. 2010 was the warmest at 0.547. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in January of 2007 when it reached 0.829. The anomaly in 2013 was 0.486 and it is ranked 8th.
Hadcrut3
(Since March was not out as of May 1, the numbers below assume Hadcrut3 made the same jump in March from January as Hadcrut4 did.)
The slope is flat since June 1997 or 16 years, 10 months. (goes to March)
The Hadcrut3 average anomaly so far for 2014 is 0.414. This would rank it as 10th place if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.548. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in February of 1998 when it reached 0.756. One has to go back to the 1940s to find the previous time that a Hadcrut3 record was not beaten in 10 years or less. The anomaly in 2013 was 0.459 and it is ranked 6th.
Hadsst3
For Hadsst3, the slope is flat since November 2000 or 13 years and 5 months. (goes to March).
For Hadsst3: There is no statistically significant warming since January 1993: CI from -0.016 to 1.812.
The Hadsst3 average anomaly so far for 2014 is 0.333. This would rank it as 11th place if it stayed this way. 1998 was the warmest at 0.416. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in July of 1998 when it reached 0.526. The anomaly in 2013 was 0.376 and it is ranked 6th.
GISS
The slope is flat since September 2001 or 12 years, 7 months. (goes to March)
For GISS: There is no statistically significant warming since July 1997: CI from -0.004 to 1.246.
The GISS average anomaly so far for 2014 is 0.613. This would rank it as 6th place if it stayed this way. 2010 was the warmest at 0.66. The highest ever monthly anomaly was in January of 2007 when it reached 0.93. The anomaly in 2013 was 0.60 and it is ranked 6th.
Conclusion
We do not know if an El Niño will form in 2014, nor do we know how strong it will be if it does form. However, RSS is unlikely to set a new record or fall below Santer’s 17 years in 2014. As for other data sets, it is hard to say what will happen. However GISS has the unique distinction of having its January (0.69) and March (0.70) anomaly above its average record of 2010 (0.66). It could even set a record without an El Niño. Would that be what the doctor ordered? WUWT? ☺
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As I said, I estimated Hadcrut3 for March based on Hadcrut4. Does any one know what is going on with Hadcrut3? I hope they are not discontinuing it since the flat slope is on the verge of reaching Santer’s 17 years.
I can’t understand why anyone would be running around yelling “super” El Nino. As far as I can tell so far there is no evidence we would have one any time soon and the conditions aren’t right for one. There is no loading of the western Pacific warm pool and trade wind anomalies aren’t particularly encouraging for the development of one.
crosspatch says:
May 2, 2014 at 12:17 pm
I am certainly not in a position to make any prediction regarding an El Nino. But its possibility has been in the news along with talk of records being broken.
“Two points in a row” down trend from 1998/2010 is very nearly parallel with down slope of next highest five points in a row. If the pattern of the lower El Ninos between major spikes that we see between 1998 and 201 is repeated, the 2014 peak will be about 0.27 to 0.28. Of course there is no reason to expect such a pattern, but then there is no reason to expect another major spike either.
This is the first time I’ve heard talk of a pending “super El Niño”. Where exactly has this been predicted by any of the reputable ENSO forecasters? Or am I getting a whiff of straw men and spin here?
Village Idiot says:
May 2, 2014 at 12:42 pm
This is the first time I’ve heard talk of a pending “super El Niño”.
See:
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/11/the-201415-el-nino-part-2-the-alarmist-misinformation-bs-begins/
“The 2014/15 El Niño has yet to form and there’s already a well-commented blog post about it that spreads more speculative nonsense than one would think possible. Even the title Monster El Nino Emerging From the Depths: Nose of Massive Kelvin Wave Breaks Surface in Eastern Pacific is remarkable.”
“I am certainly not in a position to make any prediction regarding an El Nino. But its possibility has been in the news along with talk of records being broken.”
All kinds of crap in the news. The alarmist yearning for a super el nino, which the long range mets I trust contend is quite unlikely, is unseemly to say the least. Better we should all fry, then they be proven wrong.
Village Idiot says:
May 2, 2014 at 12:42 pm
This is the first time I’ve heard talk of a pending “super El Niño”. Where exactly has this been predicted by any of the reputable ENSO forecasters? Or am I getting a whiff of straw men and spin here?
Geez!
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/26/3417812/el-nino-extreme-weather-global-temperature/
Google “Super El Nino” and you’ll get dozens of hits.
Village Idiot says:
May 2, 2014 at 12:42 pm
This is the first time I’ve heard talk of a pending “super El Niño”. Where exactly has this been predicted by any of the reputable ENSO forecasters? Or am I getting a whiff of straw men and spin here?
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There are more things in heaven and earth, Idiot, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
Since you haven’t heard the talk, it must not exist, is that it? There are dozens more links out there than the two provided.
http://theweathercentre.blogspot.com/2014/03/could-next-super-el-nino-be-forming.html
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/03/26/3417812/el-nino-extreme-weather-global-temperature/
I still see it coming down on us,
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2015/plot/rss/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2015/plot/hadsst2gl/from:2002/to:2015/trend/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/hadcrut3gl/from:1987/to:2002/tren
d/plot/hadsst2gl/from:1987/to:2002/trend/plot/rss/from:1987/to:2002/trend
the global average temperature, I mean.
But if the 2014/15 El Nino does turn the trend up, then the major factor affecting the temperature would not be CO2, but the El Nino. And the study should then turn to what causes El Ninos (working back from the trade winds scenario) and why we get big ones every once in a while.
The ultimate culprit may be CO2. But all the models will have to be tossed out to create new ones. And hopefully ones that are useful.
philjourdan says:
May 2, 2014 at 1:36 pm
But if the 2014/15 El Nino does turn the trend up, then the major factor affecting the temperature would not be CO2, but the El Nino.
That is true. However being right about warming for the wrong reason is a detail that may get lost in the headlines. And while a strong El Nino could wipe out all slopes of 0 sometime in 2015, it will need a lot more to make the models look good. You may need something like three strong El Ninos in a row with no La Ninas in between to revitalize the models.
@Werner Brozek – Very true. Most people never look beyond the headline. Scientists are suppose to, but as we see, too many are just like most of the uninformed populace.
Werner Brozek:
Usual Brother Bob meandering waffle, overkill carpet bombing graphics, then the sales pitch:
“I went into much more detail to explain ENSO processes and the aftereffects of El Niño and La Niña events in my ebook Who Turned on the Heat? I’ve lowered the price of Who Turned on the Heat? from U.S.$8.00 to U.S.$5.00…with hope of increasing sales a little bit. A free preview in pdf format is here. The preview includes the Table of Contents, the Introduction, the first half of section 1 (which was provided complete in this post), a discussion of the cover, and the Closing. Take a run through the Table of Contents. It is a very-detailed and well-illustrated book—using data from the real world, not models of a virtual world. Who Turned on the Heat? is only available in pdf format…and will only be available in that format. Click here to purchase a copy. Thanks.”
Spare me this charlatan.
Werner Brozek read my lips: “Where exactly has this been predicted by any of the reputable ENSO forecasters?”
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James Strom says: May 2, 2014 at 12:57 pm
Geez! Geez???
From your link:
“To be clear, an El Niño is not a sure thing at this point. Some forecasters put the chances at about 60 percent, but one recent study put the chances at 75 percent”
James Strom read my lips: “Where exactly has this been predicted by any of the reputable ENSO forecasters?”
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Alan Robertson says: May 2, 2014 at 12:59 pm
Regurgitation I think. See above.
Alan Robertson read my lips: “Where exactly has this been predicted by any of the reputable ENSO forecasters?”
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pokerguy says May 2, 2014 at 12:55 pm
“which the long range mets I trust contend is quite unlikely”
Wow! Guy with his feet on the ground
philjourdan says:
May 2, 2014 at 1:36 pm
“then the major factor affecting the temperature would not be CO2, but the El Nino. ”
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El Nino does not generate heat energy, all it does is spread it around.
@Chuck – it is like an Onion. You have to peel a layer back to get to the next layer. The Alarmist want to jump on the surface and declare the ‘science is settled’. However what El Nino is proving is that the causes are a lot more complex. And that what we do not know far outstrips what we do know.
I read Bob Tisdale’s 6 part series, so I should have worded my response better. But the point is, a strong El Nino will show that CO2 is not a “trigger” for temperature. It is a factor. But the intervening mechanisms are not well known, if at all.
As WUWT’s claim “Warming stopped in 1997/1998” gradually changed to “Warming stopped in 2001/2002” as result of El-Nino of 2010 I’m sure that after next El-Nino it will change to “Warming stopped in 2005/2006”.
To my knowledge nobody has yet figured out the warm water source of the 1998 super El Nino. It was substantially more than the ENSO oscillation could deliver at that time, perhaps by a factor of two. Forget those numerical exercises and start thinking about the source of that extra water. There are not many possibilities, one being a temporary blockage of the Indonesian passage, another supplementation from south of the equator. With millions spent on climate research nothing has been done for this important case.
The Super nino rumor has been roundly examined at weatherbell.com and we have not believed this for a second. This is what we call a reactive warm enso.. reacting to the long stretch of overall cold in front of it and is indicative of the overall cold pdo. The fact is that cold pdo with warm spikes for a year, and mei warm spikes,are the most severe set ups for cold snowy winters in the south and east, and we are already out with that idea.. Joe D ALeo and I have a moderate enso event most similar to 02-03, 09-10, and the 50s,60s,70s, and for good reason. Look at the MEI set up for enso events and its very plain. BTW SHOULD WE ACTUALLY HAVE ONE, it would be the first time, OUT OF 5 THAT WERE RUMORED TO BE COMING, including 02-03, 04-05,06-07 and 09-10 to actually occur. The Super nino set up can be easily seen on the MEI chart, where prolonged warmth precedes the enso event, This is much more in line with cold PDO enso events.
Notice even the 02-03 on the chart at the link had several years of cold enso in front of it
http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/psd/enso/mei/
when 80% of the time in the 5 years preceding is cold, one does not see the super nino. While only God knows the future, the rapid rise of the SOI in april we just had has never occurred in a year where there is a super enso event. As I said we have dealt extensively on our site with this SINCE MARCH and while I freely admit to my bias. the fact is that the people pushing this know they can yell about the global temp spike You saw Hansen do that many times ( partly because the nasa model loved to forecast it). the problem in warm enso events in overall colder pdo’s is they are followed by greater drop offs, and you can see that in the 10 years NCEP temps as the el nino spikes are followed by the jagged fall off.
http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/cfsr_t2m_2005.png
Finally in warm ENSO years Joe and I have found the JAMSTEC model to be an outstanding model. If you want, the link is here
http://www.jamstec.go.jp/frsgc/research/d1/iod/e/seasonal/outlook.html
scroll to the 2 year enso. Our current idea is a blend of 02-03-09-10 with 02-03 appearing to have the closest model forecasted sst across the globe to the actual sst I remind you that the 18-19 enso was occurring in a warmer pdo period overall and was more along the lines of the enso events in the 80s and 90s.. after the severe 17-18 winter which we had this past winter analogged to because of the extreme dn in the ne pacific and the lack of any signal from the tropical pacific. In analogging like this, one must try to keep aware of where they are in the bigger multi decadol picture also.
BTW, if TWC can name storms and someone can put a name on an enso event that many of us were aware of ( the 50s-70s were mainly what is now called a Modiki, but we werent smart enough to think of a name to get credit in 02-03) Joe and I have decided to call this a Calamari enso event since we both like Calamari and would like the challenge of trying to forecast the result of all this.
ciao
The factors that determine when an El Nino event will occur and how strong it will be are very complicated and not easily modelled. Even climatologists recognise the variability and difficulty in forecasting such events even 6 months out.
One of the factors that can (but does not always) cause a strong event is present now. Whether other variables line up in support of a strong event is not yet certain although it would be a brave betting man now who would back against at some for of EL Nino occurring this year.
If you really want to criticize anyone for suggesting a strong event is possible or likely this year I would suggest first make sure you have as full an understanding on all the factors in play. There are many sources of information on the net. Bob Tisdale has a lot of information. There are many papers out relating to the development and causes of the 1997/98 event.
I thought I had a reasonably sound idea of what contributes to an El Nino event until I started looking in detail. Now I think my understanding is stronger but I don’t think there is a scientist on the planet that has a full grasp yet.
If I had to make a prediction though I would suspect were in for a moderate EL Nino at least but it could be strong if weather events randomly line up in coming months to reinforce the factors currently present that are pushing us towards a moderate event. I think we will transition into a La Nina event in the latter half of 2015 and that once the 2014 to 2016 impact of these 2 events is spliced onto the temp record it will either still be flat or perhaps an insignificant upward trend over 20 years,.
Village Idiot says:
May 2, 2014 at 2:01 pm
“Where exactly has this been predicted by any of the reputable ENSO forecasters?”
I am not an expert on any ENSO forecasters, so I have no idea who is reputable. But let me turn your question around. Are you suggesting that any blog that forecasts a super El Nino is not reputable?
Joe Bastardi says:
May 2, 2014 at 2:48 pm
Thank you!
However here:
http://models.weatherbell.com/climate/cfsr_t2m_2005.png
I got “access forbidden”.
Thanks Joe great summary!
My ideas follow similar lines also but maybe even shorter duration than JAMSTEC!
Cheers
We don’t need an El Nino to explain the effects of CO2 on temperature. We need an El Nino to increase global temperatures in order to continue believing in the effects of CO2 on temperature.
JTF’s: The real question is whether skeptics should continue to loudly proclaim that there has been NO STATISTICALLY SIGNIFICANT WARMING SINCE 19XX. Unless you believe that the greenhouse effect is a total hoax (which is your privilege – so I don’t want to debate the issue), luke-warmers (presumably including Curry, Lindzen and Spenser) must realize that statistically significant warming will be detected at some point in the future, possibly during the upcoming anticipated El Nino and possibly not for a decade or more. Perhaps skeptics have been lucky with natural variability in the past fifteen years; perhaps the alarmists were lucky from 1975 to 1998; perhaps both sides were lucky. However, it doesn’t make sense for luke-warmers to exaggerate confidence in certain phenomena that will end. “Just the Facts” has told us the good news about RSS and deserves our thanks. Unfortunately he provides us with no information about the likelihood that the pause in SURFACE WARMING ending within the next year. The skeptical community needs more information about this subject. I’m concerned to read between these lines:
“We do not know if an El Niño will form in 2014, nor do we know how strong it will be if it does form. However, RSS is unlikely to set a new record or fall below Santer’s 17 years in 2014. As for other data sets, it is hard to say what will happen.”
What won’t go away quickly is the past half-century when warming has been less than projected by computer models and only matched expectations during the period of most rapid warming. If luke-warmers bet on the pause continuing, they will lose someday. However, the odds of seeing seeing an overall warming rate of >=0.2 degC/decade anytime in the next decade or two appears negligible. Nic Lewis’s report on the over-estimate of cooling by aerosols in models will increase past discrepancies.
You’re not an expert? Hey! Everybody’s a climate expert now! Define expert.
“I have no idea” Yep. Just about sums it up.
But just let me turn round your question now that you turned around my question. Are you suggesting that I’m suggesting that that not any blog that forecasts a not super El Ninõ is reputable. Or not?
Reputable. I would suggest:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/analysis_monitoring/enso_advisory/
http://iri.columbia.edu/our-expertise/climate/forecasts/enso/current/
http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/enso/#tabs=Outlooks
http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/wcp/wcasp/enso_updates.html
Let’s all get out our curves and see if we can’t get a fit
Village Idiot your post seems to give the impression that Bob takes hours out of his day to make long posts to make more money off his book. Bob has done more to educate the community for free than you ever have. The rest of us appreciate how much time he has spent answering questions, providing data in readable forms and explaining complex processes. You sound like an unhappy and angry person taking it out on the few good people that take the time to help others understand the world better. In addition, Bob is civil and polite in every exchange I have ever seen. Follow his good example.
I don’t like feeding trlls but defending a worthy contributor is worth it.