We Must Get Rid of the Carboniferous Warm Period

Guest essay by Phillip Mulholland

Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya — 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ). Temperature after C.R. Scotese http://www.scotese.com/climate.htmCO2 after R.A. Berner, 2001 (GEOCARB III)

In a previous thread on WUWT published on 13 September titled Claim: atmosphere heats the oceans, melts Antarctic ice shelf, Sridhar Anandakrishnan, Professor of Geosciences, at Penn State is reported as saying:-

“Eventually, with all that atmospheric heat, the oceans will heat up.”

Well, that statement may or may not be true, but one thing we can be certain about, it does not apply to the seas around Antarctica.

A former colleague of mine had on the wall of his office a standard map of the World with the continents coloured by surface elevation. Unusually his map showed the icecaps of Greenland and Antarctica, not as featureless white regions, but instead coloured by the true elevation of the ice surface. What his map showed is the dramatic height of this surface, both over the bulk of Greenland and also over the vast majority of Antarctica, with layers of ice piled high into the atmosphere forming a plateau as tall as the mountain ranges of other continents.

His map demonstrated why Antarctica at 2,500m has the greatest average surface elevation of all the continents. With its high surface elevation that reaches a plateau maximum at Dome A of just over 4,000 metres, Antarctica stands taller in the atmosphere than any other landmass. With thin dry transparent air above it and the long months of the Austral winter, the ice surface of Antarctica acts as a gigantic thermal radiator that short circuits the atmospheric greenhouse effect and exhausts surface radiant energy directly into Space.

Throughout the winter season of darkness in Antarctica the thermal cooling of the ice surface generates copious amounts of cold dry dense air, this bitterly cold tropospheric air flows north off the icecap towards the Southern Ocean, descending to sea level as a gale force katabatic wind. The wind that Captain Scott referred to when he wrote “Great God this is an awful place”.

When the dense cold air reaches the coast at the Weddell Sea, its temperature is sufficiently low to flash freeze any open surface sea water, but the wind’s continuous force directs any newly formed ice north, away from the coast, creating a permanent open water gap The Latent Heat Polynya.

Oxygen is a reactive gas vital for the survival of animal life. In the oceans, oxygen can only be created either by biological activity in the surface waters of the photic zone or be directly dissolved from the atmosphere by the turbulent mixing of surface waves. In the planetary ocean sea water is layered by density and cold dense water is found throughout the bulk of the modern deep ocean. One of the challenges for Oceanography is to explain the presence and distribution of dissolved oxygen gas in the ocean deeps, given that it cannot have been formed there.

The explanation for the presence of this deep ocean oxygen lies in the existence of the Latent Heat Polynya in the Weddell Sea and elsewhere along the coast of Antarctica. Here, in the polynya, cold dense sea water is created, chilled and oxygenated by the katabatic winds of Antarctica and salted by the key process of brine rejection – dense salty water expelled from the continuously formed sea ice. This chilled sea water descends into the ocean as a gravity driven flow of high salinity brine that carries the dissolved oxygen vital for deep marine life down into the ocean depths. Truly it can be said that the polar icecaps are the lungs of the deep ocean.

The current climate paradigm recognises two distinct and separate states for world climate, the Icehouse World and the Greenhouse World. The Icehouse World is characterised by low atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, cold ocean deeps with high levels of dissolved oxygen and of course, polar continental icecaps with consequent low global sea levels. The Greenhouse World by contrast is characterised by high atmospheric carbon dioxide levels, warm ocean deeps with low levels of dissolved oxygen, no polar continental icecaps and therefore high global sea levels.

Geology shows us that in the past during the Cretaceous period, at a time when the world did not have any polar continental icecaps and global sea levels were high, the ocean deeps were filled with warm +15C dense salty oxygen-poor water creating the required conditions for global marine anoxia and the deposition of Sapropel, (biological carbon) in deep ocean muds of, for example, the Cretaceous Boreal Ocean. The implication here is clear, because warm sea water has a low dissolved gas carrying capacity, anoxia is preferentially associated with warm world conditions and the presence of sapropel in the Geological record is considered to be diagnostic of a Greenhouse World.

This dichotomy is a fundamental tenet of climate science. That climate can be in one state, either global cold – the Modern world, or global warmth – the Cretaceous world, but not in both states simultaneously. However this tenet is wrong and Geology proves that it is wrong. It is indeed possible to have a world with a massive continental polar ice cap, an Icehouse World diagnostic, and simultaneously anoxic prone warm water ocean deeps, a Greenhouse World diagnostic, and that world was the Carboniferous period.

Imagine a world with no South Atlantic Ocean, instead South America is joined directly to Africa, a world with no Southern Ocean, instead Antarctica is joined directly to Australia and also no Indian Ocean with instead the Indian landmass (along with Madagascar) filling the jigsaw puzzle gap between South America/Africa/Arabia and Australia/Antarctica. This southern continent is called Gondwana by Geologists. Imagine this gigantic Gondwana continent covered with an ice sheet that at its maximum extended from the South Pole across an area equivalent to all of Antarctica, Southern Australia, India, Madagascar, south & east Africa and southern South America combined. This continental icecap existed throughout the Carboniferous period. The modern world’s single polar ice continent of Antarctica is puny in size compared to this ice monster.

Victorian geologists were very interested in the Carboniferous period; the coal won from these rocks powered their industrial world. Studies of the Carboniferous strata in north Yorkshire demonstrated the existence of Cyclothems, repeated patterns of marine sedimentation that start with a coal seam, the remains of an equatorial forest being drowned and then often overlain by marine limestone. The limestones were then in turn overlain by river delta sediments as the coast moved seaward and the shallow sea retreated. Eventually the swamp forests regrew and another coal seam was created. The Victorians recognised that this rhythmic depositional cycle seen in the Yoredale deposits of Yorkshire was controlled by eustatic sea level change. That is global sea level variations controlled by the waxing and waning of a major continental icecap. We now know that the icecap responsible for the Carboniferous cyclothems was located on the Gondwana continent.

So the deep oceans of the Carboniferous world were filled with cold oxygenated seawater created by the katabatic winds of the Gondwana icecap, just like those from the modern world’s Antarctica? Well no actually the deep ocean of the Carboniferous world was anoxic just like the later Cretaceous ocean. Again thanks to the Victorian geologists who studied the Culm deposits of Devon they recognised that the Carboniferous Culm contained radiolarian chert, pseudomorphs of calcite and abundant organic carbon. They concluded correctly that Culm was a deep ocean deposit, and although they did not recognise the true size of the ocean they were studying, we know because of their work, that the muds were bathyal sediments deposited below the carbonate compensation depth far from land. The carbon content of Culm proves that the Carboniferous world ocean was anoxic and that abundant marine sapropel was created and deposited in Carboniferous marine sediments which now form part of the oil and gas shale resource which supplies the hydrocarbon fuel used to power our modern industry and commerce.

So how can we resolve this paradox of the Carboniferous with its simultaneous continental icecap of Gondwana and an anoxia prone global ocean? In Geology, the present is often the key to the past, and we have a key to unlock this conundrum. That key is the modern Red Sea.

The Red Sea is situated in the northern hemisphere tropics between Africa and Arabia. Under modern climatic conditions, located beneath the Hadley Cell, the Red Sea experiences high insolation, high evaporation and low fresh water input. These features combine to produce a Red Sea marine bottom water with the highest temperature (21.7C) and salinity (40.6 psu) in the modern world, even with its current low carbon dioxide atmospheric conditions.

Although the outflow volume of Red Sea high temperature bottom water into the Indian Ocean does not impact the modern deep water temperatures of the World Ocean, the key point is that Red Sea deep water produced under a modern tropical climate has a higher density at 1028.579 kg/m3 than any of the cold deep water currently produced in Antarctica by the modern world’s polar climate. For example Antarctic Bottom Water has a minimum temperature of -0.8C, a peak salinity of 34.6 psu and a consequent density of 1027.880 kg/m3.

If these two bottom waters, cold oxygenated polar deep water and warm high salinity low-oxygen carrying tropical bottom water, were allowed to meet, the density stratification principle requires that the densest marine water will occupy the deepest part of the ocean. Red Sea bottom water is denser than the coldest water Antarctica can produce. In a straight contest between the Red Sea and the Weddell Sea, the Red Sea wins every time.

So consider now the Carboniferous period with its shallow tropical seas and vast coastal equatorial coal swamps and remember that half of the surface area of our planet is located between 30 degrees North and 30 degrees South. The shallow seas of the tropics are huge solar energy collectors producing warm dense marine brines. Even in the Carboniferous with its gigantic Gondwana icecap the world was warm because in Oceanography marine water salinity trumps marine water temperature every time.

The Carboniferous shows us that with open ocean conditions the natural state of the world’s climate is as follows-

A polar continental icecap that produces cold oxygenated mid-level ocean water. This sea water is less dense and therefore is layered above the warm dense saline and anoxia-prone tropical water of the bathyal ocean depths.

I leave you with this conclusion. The Carboniferous was a warm ocean world, with low gas solubility in the deep sea. This produced an atmosphere suitable for land plants as they had an abundance of carbon dioxide gas to consume. Not for nothing does this period of Earth’s geological history have as its name the Carboniferous and yet in the mid-ocean above the deep abyssal anoxia, the pelagic fish also had an abundance of dissolved oxygen to breathe thanks to the presence of the Gondwana icecap and its coastal latent heat polynya.

This essay proposes that a fundamental tenet of climate science, that the world’s climate can be in one of two separate and distinct modes, either the Icehouse world or the Greenhouse world, is false.

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October 6, 2013 9:53 am

Hi. A quick google/facebook search reveals that Mr. Mulholland is a very private person. Can anyone post a quick Resume for Mr. Mulholland?

Ian W
October 6, 2013 10:03 am

grumpyoldmanuk says:
October 6, 2013 at 9:53 am
Hi. A quick google/facebook search reveals that Mr. Mulholland is a very private person. Can anyone post a quick Resume for Mr. Mulholland?

Is it difficult taking the facts in from what is written and referenced without knowing the writer? There is a reason that the author of ‘The emperors new clothes’ chose a child to be the one to point out the fallacy and not a revered academic.

son of mulder
October 6, 2013 10:08 am

http://governmentshutdown.noaa.gov/
Panic over “Only web sites necessary to protect lives and property will be maintained.”
(;>)

October 6, 2013 10:09 am

In case others were as interested by that presentation you described of the elevation including ice caps, this makes the point nicely: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Elevation.jpg/1280px-Elevation.jpg
With this legend: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Elevationscale.JPG
Though this also puts things in a better perspective, showing only the “interesting” high elevations in lighter colors: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/Srtm_ramp2.world.21600×10800.jpg/1280px-Srtm_ramp2.world.21600×10800.jpg

October 6, 2013 10:14 am

Makes sense to me.

Bart
October 6, 2013 10:28 am

What a fascinating essay. Thanks.

October 6, 2013 10:32 am

Ian W says:
October 6, 2013 at 10:03 am
“Is it difficult taking the facts in from what is written and referenced without knowing the writer? There is a reason that the author of ‘The emperors new clothes’ chose a child to be the one to point out the fallacy and not a revered academic.”
I found the paper a compelling read which agreed with my preconceptions and prejudices . The next stage is to test the background of the writer to aid in forming an opinion. The estimable Mr Eschenbach frequently points out the Emporer’s nakedness and is far from a revered academic, but I’ve got to know and trust his writings over the years. Mr Mulholland is not known to me, so I’m asking the question. If you can nose give me a proper answer, I’d be grateful.
Mr.

dp
October 6, 2013 10:48 am

Obviously the government shutdown is only affecting information as the web site needed to provide that warning could, if desired, provide useful information. The character of your leadership is revealed by how they prioritize in a crisis.
Back to the topic – does the adiabatic heating of the katabatic wind result in a transfer of energy between the continental interior and the surrounding atmosphere/ocean or is that a net zero sum?
I think too that katabatic winds take on the same characteristics as a long runout land slide (such as that which buried Pompei) at some point, existing on inertia alone to move “the last mile” or so. There should be signature atmospheric pressure waves in such a process. “The last mile” as suggested here is an unquantified but finite distance used to populate a problem/solution set in communication and power distribution engineering.

Tom in Denver
October 6, 2013 10:49 am

The ultimate irony is that the hydrocarbons we use today, the source of all this teeth gnashing, were created during much more warmer lusher periods, when the biosphere was much more productive than it is today.
I have a bumper sticker on my SUV that says: Powered by Naturally Occurring Bio-fuel

EternalOptimist
October 6, 2013 10:49 am

I know who Mr Mulholland is. He is a guy who writes some very interesting stuff

Editor
October 6, 2013 10:49 am

Philip, a thoroughly enjoyable article, with references to a name we have all heard of (Cpt. Scott). Basically what you are saying is that the climate of the Earth has more complex features than just CO2? The graph shows absolutely no correlation with CO2 levels and global temperature, or that CAGW, which according to the experts should be inevitable at 1000ppm/CO2, has not happened 400 million years ago, so is unlikely to happen in the future.
Are you also saying that without at least one mountainous polar cap, life on Earth would have impossible, this would imply that life on other planets without the same land mass conditions would be impossible too?

idreamofthought
October 6, 2013 10:58 am

The ocean currents, wind currents and continents were all in different places than now.You cannot, then, compare the two.
Plants evolved because of the high C content. That’s why the CO2 falls in the Devonian. There were no humans cuttiing down these trees, so CO2 fell.It is the very presence of the ice caps that keeps the ocean currents circulation, and ensured the great blossoming of the Devonian, and life today.If we continue to pump out fossil CO2 by burning carbon stored millions of years ago we will raise global temperatures and lose these icecaps, and the icehouse world or the greenhouse world will happen.We have gone from 280 PPM CO2 to 380 PPM in 200 years. The icehouse and Greenhouse happen anyway, because of the Earth’s movement through space.Just every few million years.The O2 in the bottom of the oceans is there because of cold water sinking and hot water rising.And as the article says, salinity. But dump in lots of fresh water from melting ice, and that salinity decreases. You say that’s not important, but If the denser, warmer and less O2 concentrated and more saline water drops to the bottom (it contains less O2 so supports less life) then ocean anoxia SURELY follows in the oceans . If the icecaps are the lungs of the earth, shouldn’t we be doing everything we can to stop producing CO2 and increasing temperatures which mean the loss of ice and ultimately, the loss of life; When the currents change, the wind changes, the climatic zones change, and the climate changes. Simples! Currents will change when they warm or become cooler, or more/less salty.
Even if all the scientists are wrong, isn’t it better to have a cleaner planet? In the end, the pollution will cause population crashes, as Malthus observed.

temp
October 6, 2013 11:04 am

grumpyoldmanuk says:
October 6, 2013 at 10:32 am
” The next stage is to test the background of the writer to aid in forming an opinion.”
Not really if you believe it believe it… if you don’t don’t… if your unsure CHECK FOR YOUR SELF. Your line of thinking is called the logic fallacy of the appeal to authority. First check his facts then worry about who he is.

October 6, 2013 11:15 am

OMG, check the graphic I created by reconstruction in 2005
http://www.kogagrove.org/sams/agw/images/paleomap.png
From my site:http://www.kogagrove.org/sams/agw/agwmain.html

October 6, 2013 11:24 am

idreamofthought,
Sorry, but the planet says your conjecture is wrong.
As CO2 continues to rise, global temperature continues to decline.

Scarface
October 6, 2013 11:27 am

Thank you for this great post.

October 6, 2013 11:33 am

temp says:
Your line of thinking is called the logic fallacy of the appeal to authority.
===========
agreed. the expert, knowing 1000*N/infinity about their subject, imagines they are much more capable to predict the future as compared to the amateur that only knows N/infinity about their subject.
the amateur at least has the common sense to recognize that N/infinity is very close to 0%, while the expert mistakenly believes that 1000*N/infinity is very close to 100%. It is this mistaken estimate on the part of the expert that routinely leads science astray.

October 6, 2013 11:42 am

this article also makes no sense to me.

October 6, 2013 11:43 am

cor, this article makes sense to me.

ThinAir
October 6, 2013 11:52 am

But are the mixed conditions of Carboniferous, as described, only possible with a “Gondwana sized” continent in that location relative to the equator? Probably not, …..but wondering nonetheless.

Jon
October 6, 2013 12:02 pm

“I have a bumper sticker on my SUV that says: Powered by Naturally Occurring Bio-fuel”
I would say that’s its more Powered by sun energy, old or New?

Berényi Péter
October 6, 2013 12:03 pm

“abundant marine sapropel was created and deposited in Carboniferous marine sediments which now form part of the oil and gas shale resource which supplies the hydrocarbon fuel used to power our modern industry and commerce”


Before I believe that story, a credible explanation should be given about the process converting organic sediments, basically carbohydrates to hydrocarbons close to thermodynamic equilibrium, which invariably occurs in buried sediment layers. That chemical process just would not happen spontaneously with no free energy input whatsoever, not even in hundreds of million years. Chemical potential of organic matter is too low for it compared to that of hydrocarbons.

Louis
October 6, 2013 12:34 pm

idreamofthought says:
“Even if all the scientists are wrong, isn’t it better to have a cleaner planet? In the end, the pollution will cause population crashes, as Malthus observed.”
If by pollution you mean CO2, how will increased greening of the planet make it less “clean” or cause the population to crash? It is higher energy costs caused by the attempt to limit CO2 that will harm the population. Your Malthus theories are misplaced nonsense. Dream on.

DirkH
October 6, 2013 12:52 pm

idreamofthought says:
October 6, 2013 at 10:58 am
“Even if all the scientists are wrong, isn’t it better to have a cleaner planet? In the end, the pollution will cause population crashes, as Malthus observed.”
How did Malthus observe something that WILL happen?

tom0mason
October 6, 2013 1:05 pm

DirkH
So many people have the strange disconnect that we humans are not part of nature. We are, and who is to say what we are doing on this planet is not part of nature and it’s unknown future outcome?

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